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hello, it's me again.
don't get me wrong. i'm none of these persons enjoying their diseases, doing nothing but talk about them all the time.
it's the other way around. i don't know, whom to tell.
it's the first time in my life i meet a prob I can't handle on my own. you may find it laughable. but i do have a real problem with it. think i'm whiny, that's perfectly alright. because i am. and i hate it.
right now, life seems turned upside down. i mean, i can't go to the supermarket or to my lectures without anything happen. no, don't get up, asking myself, if anything will happen during the day. it's more that i think "no incidents today." well, most of the times i'm wrong. and this is really pissing me. hell, i have a future! wanted to write my dissertation, wanted work at the university - how can do this with the meds slowing down my thoughts, making it impossible to concentrate for more than 30 minutes at best? how can anyone take me seriously with that bloody seizures coming and going as they want?
i won't get rid of the seizures, the neuro says. maybe they can decrease their number, she says, but it's not likely they can stop them. thanks a lot. up to now, the meds don't work.
and what do the people around me do? i can smell their pity, but they don't understand even a single thing of it. i don't even want to see anyone no more. see what an idiot i've become.
but - i'm not going to show anyone. i'll seem as as cool as i ever was. knowing, that nobody around me understands the way i feel, not wanting anybody to know. if they knew, it would only cause more pity, more sorrow. thanks a lot. I neither want that, nor do i need that.
i don't know why i'm writing this. i just wanted to tell.
thanks for listening yours Raist
Raistlin - 19 May 2004 15:04 GMT oh my ... better forget i ever wrote anything like this. it's nothing.
Raist
gaross - 19 May 2004 15:34 GMT > oh my ... > better forget i ever wrote anything like this. it's nothing. > > Raist Next time, decide sooner. I just spent half an hour composing the reply that just went up ahead of this ! :-< G./
Raistlin - 19 May 2004 23:30 GMT i'm sorry. i meant every word of it. nevertheless i'm sorry to have put this into words. won't happen again.
Raist
gaross - 19 May 2004 23:46 GMT I think the intention of what your Doctor was doing (not being a mind reader) was suggesting what might be the 'possible success' rate that you might be able to achieve with treatment. The fact that they set a certain level as 'where you might hope to achieve' doesn't mean you might not do as well, but ALSO that you might (likely) do BETTER. They can only suggest an outcome, either based on their training or experience for you. Many of us have been given a 'best hoped for' value that proved incorrect. Mine was to 'Hope for 2-3 seizures per month as a Target' (That was in 1993 he said that, based on EEGs and other tests) On another post I listed the last two szrs. I had were Dec. 97 and June 98. Before that I hadn't had one since about 1995. (I was already mostly controlled by 1995 after my szrs. types started in 1993.)
The only things I still get, and I can't really blame them on the Medications, is occasional Mood Swings !! :-<
IGNORE those if you can. They appear to depend on time of day, or what is happening on the Radio (news) as I read the group and type replies. Most of them aren't always related to the particular post I'm replying to. Certainly not yours. G. /
> i'm sorry. > i meant every word of it. > nevertheless i'm sorry to have put this into words. > won't happen again. > > Raist Raistlin - 20 May 2004 00:42 GMT thx. i'll try my best to keep it in mind. you saw what happens to me during my mood swings ... and they occur quite often. to be honest, they happen all the time. on the other hand - i will give it a chance. i'm on carbamazepine for 6 months, on keppra for about 4 weeks. the number of the seizures even increased with the keppra, though the type changed, i think. with this, it's likely i believe the doc, isn't it?
anyway - feels good to talk to someone who knows what i'm referring to. thanks.
yours Raist
turbinado - 20 May 2004 01:05 GMT Don't be sorry! That's what this group is here for!
> i'm sorry. > i meant every word of it. > nevertheless i'm sorry to have put this into words. > won't happen again. > > Raist gaross - 20 May 2004 01:12 GMT Yeah, turbinado is right. There's got to be Somewhere we can go, hang out, and talk about things we might not feel comfortable telling others, **or that others might not understand as well as others who've Done this too. That's what this Place is for. G./
> Don't be sorry! That's what this group is here for! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Raist Marco - 21 May 2004 07:39 GMT > Yeah, turbinado is right. There's got to be Somewhere we can go, > hang out, and talk about things we might not feel comfortable telling > others, **or that others might not understand as well as others > who've Done this too. > That's what this Place is for. G./ Yes, I find it hard to talk about this with others when no one knows about epilepsy except for my mother -but I am not that type of guy that goes to his mother for advice all the time -I am 29 years old for God's sake! :-)
My father used to have epilepsy when he was 10 years old as well and he had to go intern into a local epilipsy foundation (residing in a local small hospital specialised in epilepsy treatments, etc.) in the seventies so he is having difficulties talking about it.
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Bye, Marco
Mary Fisher - 21 May 2004 10:23 GMT > > Yeah, turbinado is right. There's got to be Somewhere we can go, > > hang out, and talk about things we might not feel comfortable telling [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > epilepsy except for my mother -but I am not that type of guy that goes to > his mother for advice all the time -I am 29 years old for God's sake! :-) Well, I'd have thought you were old enough now to talk to an adult :-)
>Mary Marco - 21 May 2004 10:59 GMT > Well, I'd have thought you were old enough now to talk to an adult :-) >> >> Mary Yes, I just realized I will become 30 this year :-( Having epilepsy is one of those experiences, being 30 is another experience. Is there an active support group for that as well; e.g.: alt.support.poor.old.boys.and.girls?
Sorry, it is just one of those days :-)
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Mary Fisher - 21 May 2004 11:58 GMT > > Well, I'd have thought you were old enough now to talk to an adult :-) > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sorry, it is just one of those days :-) It will get better. Thirty was wonderful, as I remember it. so was forty. So was fifty. So was ... hang on, I've lost count!
Mary
Marco - 21 May 2004 14:15 GMT > It will get better. Thirty was wonderful, as I remember it. so was > forty. So was fifty. So was ... hang on, I've lost count! > > Mary Oh dear, you poor girl; you "own" that group (alt.support.poor.old.boys.and.girls) support group? :-)
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Mary Fisher - 21 May 2004 14:26 GMT > > It will get better. Thirty was wonderful, as I remember it. so was > > forty. So was fifty. So was ... hang on, I've lost count! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oh dear, you poor girl; you "own" that group > (alt.support.poor.old.boys.and.girls) support group? :-) I didn't know there was one. But I don't consider age to be a form of poverty - more as a richness of experience <VBG>
Mary
Marco - 21 May 2004 14:40 GMT > I didn't know there was one. But I don't consider age to be a form of > poverty - more as a richness of experience <VBG> > > Mary There isn't one...I was only kiddin'. Maybe tomorrow I start acting normal again :-)
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Mary Fisher - 21 May 2004 14:58 GMT > > I didn't know there was one. But I don't consider age to be a form of > > poverty - more as a richness of experience <VBG> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > There isn't one...I was only kiddin'. Maybe tomorrow I start acting normal > again :-) You don't seem abnormal to me.
It's quite normal to knock Mary :-)
I'm just like everyone else - I need a hobby, a role in life ...
Mary
Marco - 21 May 2004 15:23 GMT > You don't seem abnormal to me. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mary Thanks Mary for still trusting me. I guess that this is what everyone needs (finding a role in life, etc.?).
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Mary Fisher - 21 May 2004 16:58 GMT > > You don't seem abnormal to me. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks Mary for still trusting me. I guess that this is what everyone needs > (finding a role in life, etc.?). Yes. And I discovered mine when my children were growing up. Parents are for knocking, I reckoned that while people were getting at me they were leaving others alone. So I assumed the role. Do everyone does it. So it's quite normal.
I've gone on too long now, innit!
Mary
Daz_n_Pat - 20 May 2004 02:05 GMT > i'm sorry. > i meant every word of it. > nevertheless i'm sorry to have put this into words. > won't happen again. > > Raist Putting things into words is the only way we can communicate on here. This group is designed for us to help each other, because there is nobody who understands better the feelings you are going through than we do. Personally, I have had a lot of help and support from this group and the only way we have of obtaining that support is by telling each other what we are going through. Then when you feel you are in a position to help somebody else who is going through what you have already experienced, you are able to help them and offer them the support that they need. We are all in the same boat here....we all know what it's like. Where better to express your feelings than amongst people who understand and have felt the same things? Keep posting and telling us what's happening with you, because we do care and we do understand.
Cheers. Darryl.
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Daz_n_Pat - 20 May 2004 02:07 GMT > > oh my ... > > better forget i ever wrote anything like this. it's nothing. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Next time, decide sooner. I just spent half an hour composing the reply > that just went up ahead of this ! :-< G./ That was a bit harsh Gordon. A little compassion and understanding goes a long way.
CyberCafe - 20 May 2004 19:15 GMT wrote:
> hello, it's me again. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you may find it laughable. but i do have a real problem with it. think i'm > whiny, that's perfectly alright. because i am. and i hate it. It's okay to whine here.
> right now, life seems turned upside down. i mean, i can't go to the > supermarket or to my lectures without anything happen. no, don't get up, > asking myself, if anything will happen during the day. it's more that i > think "no incidents today." well, most of the times i'm wrong. and this is > really pissing me.
> hell, i have a future! wanted to write my dissertation, wanted work at the > university - how can do this with the meds slowing down my thoughts, > making it impossible to concentrate for more than 30 minutes at best? how > can anyone take me seriously with that bloody seizures coming and going as > they want? It sort of sounds like you're fairly new to the epilepsy game. First, you need to keep a daily log of things in your life that could provoke a seizure. You know, the possible triggers. The only reason to bring this up is stores and schools have florescent lights, which can bother some people with photosensitivity. The thing with photosensitivity is the trigger may not provoke an immediate seizure. It's almost like at times the trigger has to accumulate, build up to a certain point, before it provokes a seizure. The percentage of people with photosensitivity is low, but we still have to consider it. Also try wearing polarized sunglasses in the store and during lectures to see if that helps prevent seizures.
As far as lectures go, see your student services person or the school representative who works on behalf of disabled students because you may be able to audio record the lectures or they may have other options to help you. Epilepsy is considered a disability and schools have to accommodate to meet your needs (at least in the US).
The concentration issue is a tough one. That was a real problem for me, but it improved (although it seemed to take forever). The one thing that improved my ability to concentrate/focus/pay attention was taking antidepressants. The two other things that helped were taking a class that offered a variety of learning tools and anticonvulsants. I've been taking an SSRI-type antidepressant for less than three years and, boy, it has made a big, big difference in a lot of things; things that I didn't even know were being affected so much. It took about seven months in total before the last improvement was noted, so a person really has to stick to the antidepressants for a longgg time in some cases.
> i won't get rid of the seizures, the neuro says. maybe they can decrease > their number, she says, but it's not likely they can stop them. thanks a > lot. up to now, the meds don't work. The neuro can't say that for certain. If you haven't been on meds for long, they may have to make adjustments by changing the dose or using different meds if it isn't helping. It took almost a year for them to find the right dose level for myself, so hang in there.
> and what do the people around me do? i can smell their pity, but they > don't understand even a single thing of it. i don't even want to see [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > i don't know why i'm writing this. > i just wanted to tell. There are a lot of social/economic/educational issues around epilepsy that can be a problem. Some of this stuff a person will get over. Other people sometimes just aren't mature enough to accept this as just another thing that happens to people.
I do think you need to talk to your doctor about your feelings (and that's what is board is for also). You know, depression and mood disorders are much more common in people with certain types of seizure disorders (possibilty related to meds, just part of the electrochemistry of the brain directly due to the epilepsy disorder, etc.).
Barb
> thanks for listening > yours > Raist Mary Fisher - 20 May 2004 21:23 GMT > As far as lectures go, see your student services person or the school > representative who works on behalf of disabled students because you may > be able to audio record the lectures or they may have other options to > help you. Epilepsy is considered a disability and schools have to > accommodate to meet your needs (at least in the US). In UK too.
> I've been > taking an SSRI-type antidepressant for less than three years and, boy, > it has made a big, big difference in a lot of things; things that I > didn't even know were being affected so much. It took about seven > months in total before the last improvement was noted, so a person > really has to stick to the antidepressants for a longgg time in some cases. Yes, it can seem at first that things ren't changing or even getting worse but it's important to persevere - if yu've been prescribed them.
Mary
Raistlin - 22 May 2004 12:12 GMT hey barb,
> It sort of sounds like you're fairly new to the epilepsy > game. First, > you need to keep a daily log of things in your life that > could provoke a > seizure. You know, the possible triggers. call me rookie ;-). well, yeah, i'm just trying to find out which triggers provoke which kind of seizure. i guess, i found out something about the absence seizures: most of the time they occur in the mornings and in the evenings and - is it possible that *boredom* is a trigger?! it seems so. i also found out that it is especially in the mornings, that there is one absence coming after the other, like a series. at some days i don't really wake up, it feels.
as for the other stuff - i'm working on it. simple partials - i can't say when or why. my arm simply starts shaking. i couldn't find no trigger so far, 'cos it happens in all possible situations, they don't really have something in common. the gran mals - hmpf. here one seizure doesn't even look like the other. sometimes there is an aura, sometimes there isn't. sometimes it starts with a simple partial, seometimes it doesn't. sometimes i skip the clonic phase, sometimes i don't. and sometimes, which is worst, there are 3 or 4 seizures following each other... and the falling attacks? they just happen. i asked my my friends to pay attention on possible triggerns, in case they're around me an something happens. i not very good in noticing this kind of stuff. though i don't seem to have a prob with photosensibility. looks like i have a large and indeed very suprising reportoire of entertainment ;-)
> The one thing > that improved my ability to concentrate/focus/pay > attention was taking antidepressants. yeah ... they gave me some for my "chronical headache", as they call it. amitryplilin is used for this kind of stuff. though is is a lower dose than you take it to fight depression. i stopped taking the stuff after two weeks. i don't have much memory of these two weeks. though i know, i couldm't talk right, i couldn`t walk right. i couln't think, i could't do simple things like doing the laundry etc. my prof asked me if i had a drug problem. well i din't do well with this "low dose". i know, two weeks isn't long. but the price was just a "bit" too high. not that it worked against the headaches. but that's alright, because you've got to take it for about four weeks until there might be some success... no thanks. it's a choice between scylla and charybdis. there'll be some other way.
> I do think you need to talk to your doctor about your > feelings no way. i'm sort of a private person when it comes to this. it's making me quite afraid how much i'm talking here.
thx for the advise yours Raist
Dona - 22 May 2004 15:57 GMT I had a horrible reaction to an antidepressant. From what I understand they are to be used with much caution in a patient with a history of seizures. Be careful.
And I could be wrong....but if you're having uncontroable body movements with your partials would't they be called complex partials instead of simple partials?
Raistlin - 22 May 2004 16:40 GMT huh ... i still get mixed up with the terms. but isn't the main difference your level of conciousness? i'm quite aware of everything in these moments. it's just that my arm is shaking. thought that is a simple partial. may be wrong.
Raist
gaross - 22 May 2004 18:10 GMT > huh ... i still get mixed up with the terms. but isn't the main difference > your level of conciousness? > i'm quite aware of everything in these moments. it's just that my arm is > shaking. thought that is a simple partial. may be wrong. > Raist I think 'simple partials', are the only ones where you are Personally aware of what you're doing while they are happening. The other types you usually need a witness to tell you what you did or how you acted once you went into 'The Twilight Zone'. Once my Complex Partials had started to 'generalize' (spread to other areas of the brain) I had no memory afterward of what had happened or how I behaved while they were happening. Also some of the stronger versions end in Loss of Consciousness at the end, while the Simple Partial ones might just include the Aura feeling, then pass back to 'normalcy' without that loss. I think the absence types are also within that family of types. The main seizure types are described under http://efa.org site (U.S. Ep. Foundation of America)?
Also if one of Julie's posts is still up, within the Idaho Website under First Aid for Seizures, the typical symptoms that a person might feel or show outwardly are listed. /G.
Richard Stickman - 15 Jun 2004 21:18 GMT > > > wrote: > > hello, it's me again. > > > > don't get me wrong. i'm none of these persons enjoying their diseases, > > doing nothing but talk about them all the time. > > > > it's the other way around. i don't know, whom to tell. > > > > it's the first time in my life i meet a prob I can't handle on my own. > > you may find it laughable. but i do have a real problem with it. think i'm > > whiny, that's perfectly alright. because i am. and i hate it. > > It's okay to whine here. > > > > > right now, life seems turned upside down. i mean, i can't go to the > > supermarket or to my lectures without anything happen. no, don't get up, > > asking myself, if anything will happen during the day. it's more that i > > think "no incidents today." well, most of the times i'm wrong. and this is > > really pissing me. > > > hell, i have a future! wanted to write my dissertation, wanted work at the > > university - how can do this with the meds slowing down my thoughts, > > making it impossible to concentrate for more than 30 minutes at best? how > > can anyone take me seriously with that bloody seizures coming and going as > > they want? > > It sort of sounds like you're fairly new to the epilepsy game. First, > you need to keep a daily log of things in your life that could provoke a > seizure. You know, the possible triggers. The only reason to bring > this up is stores and schools have florescent lights, which can bother > some people with photosensitivity. The thing with photosensitivity is > the trigger may not provoke an immediate seizure. It's almost like at > times the trigger has to accumulate, build up to a certain point, before > it provokes a seizure. The percentage of people with photosensitivity > is low, but we still have to consider it. Also try wearing polarized > sunglasses in the store and during lectures to see if that helps prevent > seizures. > > As far as lectures go, see your student services person or the school > representative who works on behalf of disabled students because you may > be able to audio record the lectures or they may have other options to > help you. Epilepsy is considered a disability and schools have to > accommodate to meet your needs (at least in the US). > > The concentration issue is a tough one. That was a real problem for me, > but it improved (although it seemed to take forever). The one thing > that improved my ability to concentrate/focus/pay attention was taking > antidepressants. The two other things that helped were taking a class > that offered a variety of learning tools and anticonvulsants. I've been > taking an SSRI-type antidepressant for less than three years and, boy, > it has made a big, big difference in a lot of things; things that I > didn't even know were being affected so much. It took about seven > months in total before the last improvement was noted, so a person > really has to stick to the antidepressants for a longgg time in some cases. > > > > > i won't get rid of the seizures, the neuro says. maybe they can decrease > > their number, she says, but it's not likely they can stop them. thanks a > > lot. up to now, the meds don't work. > > The neuro can't say that for certain. If you haven't been on meds for > long, they may have to make adjustments by changing the dose or using > different meds if it isn't helping. It took almost a year for them to > find the right dose level for myself, so hang in there. > > > > > and what do the people around me do? i can smell their pity, but they > > don't understand even a single thing of it. i don't even want to see > > anyone no more. see what an idiot i've become. > > > > but - i'm not going to show anyone. i'll seem as as cool as i ever was. > > knowing, that nobody around me understands the way i feel, not wanting > > anybody to know. if they knew, it would only cause more pity, more sorrow. > > thanks a lot. I neither want that, nor do i need that. > > > > i don't know why i'm writing this. > > i just wanted to tell. > > There are a lot of social/economic/educational issues around epilepsy > that can be a problem. Some of this stuff a person will get over. > Other people sometimes just aren't mature enough to accept this as just > another thing that happens to people. > > I do think you need to talk to your doctor about your feelings (and > that's what is board is for also). You know, depression and mood > disorders are much more common in people with certain types of seizure > disorders (possibilty related to meds, just part of the electrochemistry > of the brain directly due to the epilepsy disorder, etc.). > > Barb > > > > > thanks for listening > > yours > > Raist > > > Hi Raist, The above is great advice - sounds like the lady has been there and done it all - heed her words, particularly about telling your of your feelings? You DON'T need depression on top of the ep. It would just compound it and make things worse! Do NOT feel inferior! You are not! You just have something no one else really bothers to try to understand! No! I am being unfair. By nature people generally want to assist you; if you do not want this, you must let them know there is nothing they can do for you when you have a seizure, save keep you out of danger Please do try talking to someone or you will be the one who suffers because of any lack of understanding. And never apologise for honest remarks in here; we all suffer a similar disability and need to let off steam from time to time, ok? All the best, Rich.
Dave ???? - 20 May 2004 23:39 GMT Howdy Raist!
Everbody here who has epilepsy has been in the same position that you are in now and knows EXACTLY what you are going through.
I'm talking about EMPATHY here, not PITY!
I only wish that when it happened to me (about 35 years ago) there were places like this where I could have gone for some guidence instead of having to figure everything out by trial and error!
About the memory thing... there are a few little mind tricks that you might find for yourself. Not everything works for everybody so you will have to experiment a bit and find out which ones work best for you!
1. Take notes for yourself.
2. Put up a bulletin board for yourself.
3. If your phone service offers it, send yourself reminder phone calls (Don't forget your appointment at...) I used this one a lot until my phone company dropped the service.
MY FAVORITE: sending myself e-mail reminders!
There is a site out there called:
Doctor's Guide http://www.docguide.com/
visit the site and set up an account for yourself!
When you go back to the site and sign in, click on the: "Remind Me" option.
Put the message and date in -- then specify how many days in advance you would like to send yourself the message. (I just took a look at my account and I can put in reminders for as far away as 2006!)
Doctors appointments, "don't forget to pay the rent", "mother's day", "do the laundry", make a running shopping list...
ANYTHING that you want to make sure you don't forget.
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Raistlin - 22 May 2004 12:30 GMT hey dave,
thx for your advice. i've already started workin' with a bulletin board and it works out fine. it's not really a the memory thing i have to do something about. it's more about learning again to stay focused. half a year ago i could take a book and read about 100 - 400 pages. no prob. now concentration sucks, i don't even make 2 or 3 pages ... too nervous for it, you know. right, i know, let's forget about what was and take a look at what is ;-)
yours Raist
Dona - 22 May 2004 15:59 GMT That's one place the memory lapse rocks at, with TV shows and books.
I can re-watch and re-read and enjoy it just as much as the first time.
Daz_n_Pat - 23 May 2004 00:15 GMT > That's one place the memory lapse rocks at, with TV shows and books. > > I can re-watch and re-read and enjoy it just as much as the first time. LOL, it's the same with me. I read a book and can read it again a few months later just like I've never read it before. It's the same with movies. I watch them a week or two after already seeing them and never know what's going to happen next. Quite cool really. Saves money on hiring new movies and buying new books.
Mary Fisher - 23 May 2004 22:01 GMT > > That's one place the memory lapse rocks at, with TV shows and books. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > going to happen next. Quite cool really. Saves money on hiring new movies > and buying new books. I'm the same - but I thought it was old age.
I claim that I have a perfect memory, just an imperfect retrieval system.
Mary
Daz_n_Pat - 24 May 2004 21:32 GMT > > > That's one place the memory lapse rocks at, with TV shows and books. > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Mary I hope it's not old age. I'm just a spritely 38 - going on 25. You're right though, memory is perfect, it's just the recall that has problems.
Have you heard of the Mega Memory course? It's a method of memorising things by making everything you wish to remember into pictures - since we remember visual things, rather than words or numbers, etc. Works absolutely brilliantly as long as you remember to practice it for a few weeks to get proficient at it. I forgot to practice.....
Darryl.
Dave ???? - 25 May 2004 03:14 GMT > I hope it's not old age. I'm just a spritely 38 - going on 25. You're right > though, memory is perfect, it's just the recall that has problems. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Darryl. Howdy Darryl!
You'll have to try my system, it works very well...
I don't have birthdays anymore -- I have anniversires of my 39th Birthday!
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Daz_n_Pat - 25 May 2004 06:01 GMT > > I hope it's not old age. I'm just a spritely 38 - going on 25. You're > right [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Dave ???? > http://www.howdydave.com LOL Dave. My first birthday coming up next april then?
Dave ???? - 26 May 2004 03:17 GMT > > > I hope it's not old age. I'm just a spritely 38 - going on 25. You're > > right [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > LOL Dave. My first birthday coming up next april then? Noooooo...
Your first ANNIVERSARY is coming up (birthdays are gone forever so don't even think about them anymore!)
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Mary Fisher - 26 May 2004 09:35 GMT > > > > I hope it's not old age. I'm just a spritely 38 - going on 25. You're > > > right [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Your first ANNIVERSARY is coming up (birthdays are gone forever so don't > even think about them anymore!) Yes, we only have one. Mine was, well, a bit after 1066 ...
Mary
turbinado - 23 May 2004 00:19 GMT That's true for me as well. There's always a bright side! :)
> That's one place the memory lapse rocks at, with TV shows and books. > > I can re-watch and re-read and enjoy it just as much as the first time.
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