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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / June 2004Current events
The recent discussion on the possibility of an epileptic personality and the list of famous with epilepsy, got me wondering: Where do the rest of you consider yourselves on the political spectrum, right, left or in the middle? I tend to hang pretty far left with leanings towards the middle on a lot of things. But there are some issues I definitely go my own way on. > The recent discussion on the possibility of an epileptic personality and the > list of famous with epilepsy, got me wondering: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I tend to hang pretty far left with leanings towards the middle on a lot of > things. But there are some issues I definitely go my own way on. Well, it depends what you mean by right, left and middle, dunnit? To some of my friends I'm a red under the bed, to others I'm right of Genghis Khan. Whoever he was. Of course I think that I'm so well balanced in every aspect of life that I'm nigh on perfection personified ... if only I weren't so modest. Mary Howdy! It depends on the issues! When it comes to health care I'm as far left as you can get. International affairs and general politics: hmmmm... everybody that I know just spouts off what others have said (mostly the news broadcasters.) Guess I'm an independent thinker there - I annoy everybody. I just love pokin' holes in everybody else's dogmatism.  SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > The recent discussion on the possibility of an epileptic personality and > the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Mary BTW: With all that's going' on in the USA these days (Homeland Security and all that crap) I just became a card carrying member of the ACLU The American Civil Liberties Union is an organization that everybody loves to hate! They defend legal rights in all sorts of unpopular issues. While folks with epilepsy may scamper to the ACLU for their assistance in a discrimination case, they gasp in horror when they stand up for others on the right to die, abortion or same sex marriage issues. SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > Howdy! > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > > Mary > While folks with epilepsy may scamper to the ACLU for their assistance in a > discrimination case, they gasp in horror when they stand up for others on > the right to die, abortion or same sex marriage issues. So you just know how us "folks with epilepsy" think about all these issues? That's an amazing talent. SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > While folks with epilepsy may scamper to the ACLU for their assistance in > a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So you just know how us "folks with epilepsy" think about all these issues? > That's an amazing talent. Yup! I'm claravergant don'cha know! :) Dave > BTW: With all that's going' on in the USA these days (Homeland Security and > all that crap) I just became a card carrying member of the ACLU [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > discrimination case, they gasp in horror when they stand up for others on > the right to die, abortion or same sex marriage issues. I joined years ago - the ACLU does one thing only: it works to protect basic rights guaranteed under the US constitution - whether doing so is "convenient", popular, "in", or (very much) not... While others would readily sweep away basic rights for "good" reasons, these rights are difficult to restore once lost, so they MUST be protected - and the ACLU is the only institution/organization that has consistently tried to do this. The "bad rap" some organizations attempt to put on the ACLU should make one suspicious of those organizations' intents and purposes... -- David Ruether rpn1@cornell.edu http://www.ferrario.com/ruether Howdy! I was hoping that somebody else would support the ACLU! I figured that if I did it myself folks would just think that I was climing up on a soap box! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > I joined years ago - the ACLU does one thing only: > it works to protect basic rights guaranteed under the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > rpn1@cornell.edu > http://www.ferrario.com/ruether > "Dave ©¿©¬" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> > wrote in message I know you're always looking for any tips or leads, so, without further comment, take a look at: http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=133 and scroll down to the thread titled: "Verdict: E misdiagnosed!". It is interesting and has an additional pointer to: http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/317/7162/869 IAC, it's about how various heart conditions can mimic epilepsy. You may know all about this all already, but here it is in case you didn't. Bob > I know you're always looking for any tips or leads, so, without further comment, > take a look at: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Bob All this would be funny if it were not so terrible! At least with these two sites a heart problem is diagnosed when the seizures do not fit "normal" epilepsy. Around here, one not only must put up with the problem of mis-diagnosis, but also with the common "dead-end" diagnosis (for anything that does not fit rigid and simple definitions of epilepsy or a movement disorder) of "it's in your head"! Stories abound of people with MS, Parkinson's, odd seizure disorders, etc.being sent to psychiatrists to cure them of this "conversion disorder" (this silly condition is known by many other names, some not very "savory"...;-). Thanks for the info above, though - it is always useful to hear of other possibilities. As for me, unbeknown to two neurologists who decided it was "CD" for me, I'm now on my second AED with another (the first AED failed spectacularly - something that is not supposed to happen with "CD"...;-), and after several increases in dose level over the last month, three days ago, after the usual three days of feeling that my head was stuffed with cotton (the usual feeling for me with each increase with this AED), all the nonsense I've been experiencing in the last eight months disappeared! Too early to celebrate victory, BUT....! ;-) (BTW, with "treatment", I was told that "CD" could take 7-10 years to "cure", since I had had it so long [or, until the insurance runs out, whichever comes first?;-]) Aaaaaaarrrrrrgggggh! ;-) Thanks for the post. --DR > <SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > was stuffed with cotton (the usual feeling for > me with each increase with this AED), Keppra? > all the > nonsense I've been experiencing in the last eight > months disappeared! Too early to celebrate > victory, BUT....! ;-) Wonderful!!! > (BTW, with "treatment", I > was told that "CD" could take 7-10 years to > "cure", since I had had it so long [or, until > the insurance runs out, whichever comes first?;-]) That plus the bank accounts. :-) > Aaaaaaarrrrrrgggggh! ;-) > Thanks for the post. De nada señor. ;-) Bob > > <LOTSA SNIPS> > Keppra? The first was Topamax, but depression on it (and HORRIBLE speech problems) at low dose led me to get off it after only three weeks - and the effects of leaving it were also bad ("climbing the walls" for three weeks, with continued speech problems after that - but these effects are not typical). I waited a long time before daring to try another, which was Depakote. Both AEDs have multiple uses, but the other uses do not appear to be relevant for me (no Bipolar, etc.). Now entering "Day Four" without anything but the very slightest "nibbles around the edges" from what were daily multiple problems - and hoping this continues! Early next week, I will go up one more "notch" in dose level, then get things checked out to see where I am. Keppra was considered an alternative by one neurologist, but not mentioned by the one who put me on Depakote. BTW, I will attempt today my first commercial job in a long time! So much for a disability application - but I prefer to feel the way I do now than how I did a week ago! --DR >> Keppra? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > the way I do now than how I did a week ago! > --DR Hello David, What dose are you on right now in conjunction with your weight and what type of seizures are you suffering from? I take 1000 mg of depakote per day (92kg weight). SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco My email reply "jammed" even after fixing the obvious - I will respond by email if you send me a good email address. Thanks. ("Fix" mine too, the obvious way, when responding...;-). --DR > My email reply "jammed" even after fixing > the obvious - I will respond by email if you > send me a good email address. Thanks. > ("Fix" mine too, the obvious way, when > responding...;-). > --DR Will do David :-) SignatureTake care. Bye, Marco I didn't post your 'headers' unless you wanted me to. You Both (MAILERS BELOW) have < >s around your Email addresses, inside your Options You've set up. Those work the same as [ ]'s on older (other?) systems where, if someone tried a 'Reply to Sender' from your Group Post, the Software can't SEE your address, so they can't Write you Direct. That works fine, to keep the Echo Trolls from harvesting your address. It's a Pain at times if some of us wanted to Click 'Reply to Sender', and just send you a short off-group note or Reply. In my case If I run into those NOW, I don't open the headers to see what the Real Email address is, I just hit DELETE (my reply) and move on to another topic or subject. I don't have time to dive into Geekdom unless it was something Really important to start with. G./ > > My email reply "jammed" even after fixing > > the obvious - I will respond by email if you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Bye, > Marco > Howdy! > > I just love pokin' holes in everybody else's dogmatism. How do you get away with it? I don't ... but it won't stop me :-) Mary > > > The recent discussion on the possibility of an epileptic personality and > > the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > Mary Howdy Mary! Just about everybody knows that I'm a devil's advocate. Most folks just realize that it's in my nature. SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > Howdy! > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > > > > Mary > Howdy Mary! > > Just about everybody knows that I'm a devil's advocate. Same for me, but I'm not as popular as you :-) And yet they still read my posts ... Mary > Most folks just realize that it's in my nature. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > > > > > Mary > Same for me, but I'm not as popular as you :-) Not really, it's just those tight clothes he always wears. :) > > Same for me, but I'm not as popular as you :-) > > Not really, it's just those tight clothes he always wears. :) My clothes are always tight. They shrink, you know ... Mary Dave ©¿©¬ <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote >Howdy Mary! > >Just about everybody knows that I'm a devil's advocate. > >Most folks just realize that it's in my nature. No it's not. SignatureMalcolm > >Howdy Mary! > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No it's not. Er - are you raising the nature/nurture debate or just being argumentative? :-) Mary >> Dave ©¿©¬ <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote >> >Howdy Mary! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Mary Neither. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate after spending all of the hottest day of year stuck inside marking exam papers. I thought I'd take it out on Dave before I tumble into bed. Night night, sweet dreams Mary.... SignatureMalcolm > >> >Howdy Mary! > >> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Night night, sweet dreams Mary.... I can't remember why I saved this in my drafts folder ... some experiences drive away the mundane ... Mary > Howdy! snip > I just love pokin' holes in everybody else's dogmatism. snip Shouldn't "dogmatism" be plural as in "I just love pokin' holes in everybody else's dogmatisms." > Dave ???? > "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > > > Mary > Shouldn't "dogmatism" be plural as in "I just love pokin' holes in everybody > else's dogmatisms." Howdy! NOPE! "Everybody" is a singular noun re: "dogmatism". Dogmatism is a matter of faith. OK, let's consider faith... For the sake of argument, let's pick on the Catholics! A Catholic believes many things but the collective is: The Catholic FAITH (not faiths) Here endith the semantics lesson for the day! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > Howdy! > > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > > > Mary In other words: In this case "dogmatism" is a collective singular noun. Just thought that I might as well be explicit! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > Shouldn't "dogmatism" be plural as in "I just love pokin' holes in > everybody [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Here endith the semantics lesson for the day! Dave ©¿©¬ <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote >In other words: In this case "dogmatism" is a collective singular noun. > >Just thought that I might as well be explicit! A collective noun is used where a number of objects are linked together into one e.g. a shoal of fish. If dogmatism were a collective noun to what would it relate? A dogmatism of dogmas? So I dispute your collective noun claim! Dogmatism is a property, a tendency towards being dogmatic and forcefully adhering to dogmas (not dogmae, because IMHO it derives from Greek, not Latin). Just being a pain in bum for the sake of it, Regards, SignatureMalcolm >(not dogmae, because IMHO it derives from > Greek, not Latin). Actually more correctly wouldn't it be dogmata? Please tell me someone else was obsessive enough to look this up besides me. >>(not dogmae, because IMHO it derives from >> Greek, not Latin). > >Actually more correctly wouldn't it be dogmata? > >Please tell me someone else was obsessive enough to look this up besides me. I had assumed it would be a first declension noun if it were Latin, and I did not think it was. My assumption was correct upon looking it up as it derives from Greek, 'dogma', meaning opinion. Its Greek plural would therefore indeed be 'dogmata'. Go to the front of the class, Dona. You have remembered your schooling well, and may I join you obsessive club? Whether this plural is the one used in English I do not know. There are plenty of other words in use which derive from Greek and although the plural of 'schema' is 'schemata' in the world of developmental psychology, and 'stoma' pluralises (?!) to 'stomata' even in current school Biology, I doubt that the plural of 'enigma' is ever referred to as 'enigmata'. PS. How can I set up a shortcut key for typing 'remember' please? SignatureMalcolm Howdy Malcom! I still cling to my original argument about a collective singular v. a plural. In this case (for me anyway,) it's a matter of semantics, not linguistics. SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > >>(not dogmae, because IMHO it derives from > >> Greek, not Latin). [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > PS. How can I set up a shortcut key for typing 'remember' please? > >In other words: In this case "dogmatism" is a collective singular noun. > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Just being a pain in bum for the sake of it, I like it! Mary > > >In other words: In this case "dogmatism" is a collective singular noun. > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Mary Great strait line you just fed me there Mary... but being a gentleman I won't give it the zinger that it's pleading for! SignatureDave ???? > > > >In other words: In this case "dogmatism" is a collective singular noun. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Great strait line you just fed me there Mary... > but being a gentleman I won't give it the zinger that it's pleading for! I wish I were bilingual ... :-( Mary >> > > Just being a pain in bum for the sake of it, >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Mary Hit the abandon button Malcolm, before you say something you regret! SignatureMalcolm > >> > > Just being a pain in bum for the sake of it, > >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Hit the abandon button Malcolm, before you say something you regret! I wondered if you'd find that tasty ... Mary > Here endith the semantics lesson for the day! Dave!: New day! New lesson! What is a pragmatic, pedantic dogmatist? C. > > Here endith the semantics lesson for the day! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What is a pragmatic, pedantic dogmatist? Me. Mary > C. Howdy C! "What is a pragmatic, pedantic dogmatist?" Hmm... a person who focusus on trivial things like how a sentence is written rather than the question being asked (this usually indicates that a person has a very narrow scope on learning.) This is the sort of person who believes that s/he can make people better by pointing out their gramatical mistakes and who is going to keep on doing it no matter how much it annoys people? You know... the mother who doesn't answer your question but keeps correcting you: 'may' dear, not 'can,' 'will' dear, not 'shall,' 'who' dear, not 'whom,' 'capatilize your letters dear' or 'shouldn't that be a plural instead of a singular dear?' sort of person! Am I even close? :D SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > Here endith the semantics lesson for the day! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > C. > Howdy C! > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Am I even close? :D Well - your spelling leaves something to be desired :-)))))))))) A pragmatist is someone who takes a practical approach to situations rather than a theoretical one. It has nothing to do with pedantry or dogmatism. Mary Howdy Mary! Yup! Learn from your mistakes (like my speling.) :) Can't learn from your mistakes unless somebody points them out to you, right? SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > Howdy C! > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Mary > Howdy C! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Am I even close? :D No. I have apologized, Dave. What more, in your view, must I do to redeem myself? Imprecise grammar cost my company just over $830,000. As a result, I admit I'm picky, but you are starting to look a little bit "pricky", and I am surprised and disappointed. C. Howdy! Sorry about that! But you're posting under 2 different names here so how was I supposed to know that "Fifty Hertz" and "Ephraim" were the same person? (I assume that's what's going on here... am I wrong?) SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > Howdy C! > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > C. BTW: I'm a technical writer myself! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com Whom, other than myself, am I accused of being? I assure you, one and all, that I am only who I claim to be. Ephraim "Operose nihil agunt" > Howdy! > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > C. Dave ©¿©¬ <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote >You know... the mother who doesn't answer your question but keeps correcting >you: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Am I even close? :D Should of, would of, could of, seperate, it's..... GRRRR! See? It doesn't have to be a mother at all. Now you're being sexist as well as dogmatic! :) SignatureMalcolm > >You know... the mother who doesn't answer your question but keeps correcting > >you: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Should of, would of, could of, seperate, it's..... GRRRR! Double GRRRRRR > See? It doesn't have to be a mother at all. Now you're being sexist as > well as dogmatic! :) Hurrah! You know, Malcolm, I think it's more about English dogma(tism) ... Mary Mary > > >You know... the mother who doesn't answer your question but keeps > correcting [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Mary Absolutely right Mary! Otherwise they would have called it: "dogpa" "dogdad" or sumthin' like that... SignatureDave ???? > > > >You know... the mother who doesn't answer your question but keeps > > correcting [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > or sumthin' like that... Too deep for me tonight. I'm ... um ... rather weary after knocking down walls and carrying great chunks of Yorkshire stone all day - must go for a shower and bed. See you all tomorrow :-) Mary > > Howdy! > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Shouldn't "dogmatism" be plural as in "I just love pokin' holes in everybody > else's dogmatisms." Now you're being dogmatic :-) Mary > > Dave ???? > > "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > > > Mary > > The recent discussion on the possibility of an epileptic personality and > the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of > > things. I've never been sure what the right or left means. Once I took some kind of little magazine-type test and it said I was liberal. Heck, I thought I was conservative before that test. I guess it depends on how cranky I am on a particular day. > But there are some issues I definitely go my own way on. > > Well, it depends what you mean by right, left and middle, dunnit? > > To some of my friends I'm a red under the bed, to others I'm right of > Genghis Khan. Oh, Mary, I needed that chuckle today! Barb > Whoever he was. > > Of course I think that I'm so well balanced in every aspect of life that I'm > nigh on perfection personified ... if only I weren't so modest. > > Mary > I've never been sure what the right or left means. Once I took some kind of > little magazine-type test and it said I was liberal. Heck, I thought I was > conservative before that test. I guess it depends on how cranky I am on a > particular day. Well yes - and also who's judging. On another ng a poster uses the sig: We see the world not at is it but as we are ... Mary I am basically liberal, whichever side that is. I do swing to the middle on some cases. I can vote now, I turned 18 on May 5!!!!! > I am basically liberal, whichever side that is. I do swing to the > middle on some cases. I can vote now, I turned 18 on May 5!!!!! If you vote you'll encourage them ... Mary Howdy Dawn! If you DON'T vote, you will have absolutely no right to piss & moan about the person currently in office! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > I am basically liberal, whichever side that is. I do swing to the > > middle on some cases. I can vote now, I turned 18 on May 5!!!!! > > If you vote you'll encourage them ... > > Mary > Howdy Dawn! > > If you DON'T vote, you will have absolutely no right to piss & moan about > the person currently in office! I don't know anyone who will admit to voting for Our Glorious Leader but they all moan about him. And did yours get in on a majority of all those who voted? Mary > > > I am basically liberal, whichever side that is. I do swing to the > > > middle on some cases. I can vote now, I turned 18 on May 5!!!!! > > > > If you vote you'll encourage them ... > > > > Mary Howdy Mary! As long as you voted... If you aren't pleased you can always lie about it and say that you voted for the other candidate. That's the glory of having a secret ballot! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > Howdy Dawn! > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > > > Mary > Howdy Mary! > > As long as you voted... > > If you aren't pleased you can always lie about it and say that you voted for > the other candidate. That's the glory of having a secret ballot! I don't tell lies. And the ballot, while nominally secret, is traceable. No, Dave, I'm not seduced by the myth of democracy. Mary > > > Howdy Dawn! > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > > > > > Mary Howdy Mary! I work the polls so if I want to I can change my number! I agree tho... If you lie you will start to grow hair under your nose! (Seen the photo on my VNS site?) BTW: It's just about 6 am here and I haven't been to bed yet! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > Howdy Mary! > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > > > > > > > > Mary > Howdy Mary! > > I work the polls so if I want to I can change my number! > > I agree tho... If you lie you will start to grow hair under your nose! (Seen > the photo on my VNS site?) My nasal passages are bald! Pure as the driven, me:-) > BTW: It's just about 6 am here and I haven't been to bed yet! It's 11.30 am here and I've been up for three hours. I can't stay up as I used to - They say that you need less sleep as you age. They tell lies - They all have hairy noses. Like politicians. Mary >If you DON'T vote, you will have absolutely no >right to piss & moan about the person currently >in office! Bad thing is I really don't like Bush or Kerry. I am strictly a Democrat, so I would rather have Kerry. Bush just gets us in more and more and more and more and more trouble. > >If you DON'T vote, you will have absolutely no > >right to piss & moan about the person currently [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Democrat, so I would rather have Kerry. Bush just gets us in more and > more and more and more and more trouble. g'day dawn, nothing like a good war to deplete those embarrassing stockpiles of weapons and to slow down the burgeoning population growth. and how the hell are we going to know if the new weapons models work if we don't test them out it in battle conditions. pablo Howdy pable! Spoken like a true redneck! You SURE that you live in oz? SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > >If you DON'T vote, you will have absolutely no > > >right to piss & moan about the person currently [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > battle conditions. > pablo g'day dave, oh yeah, where "all the way with LBJ", or " all the way with GW " are the major catchcries. pablo > Howdy pable! > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > battle conditions. > > pablo >nothing like a good war to deplete those >embarrassing stockpiles of weapons By killing INNOCENT people? My idea, STOP MAKING the WEAPONS if the are so UNNECESSAY and just PILE up and are EMBERASSING. >and to slow down the burgeoning population >growth. Same as above. I don't see Bush wanting to KILL people in countries that he LIKES or RESPECTS. >and how the hell are we going to know if the >new weapons models work if we don't test >them out it in battle conditions. All Bush wants is REVENGE from when his daddy was president. These people DID NOT want us in their country and taking OVER EVERY ASPECT of their lives. > >If you DON'T vote, you will have absolutely no > >right to piss & moan about the person currently [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Democrat, so I would rather have Kerry. Bush just gets us in more and > more and more and more and more trouble. If you had true democracy people would be able to vote for you. It seems to me to be more about money. Mary > > >If you DON'T vote, you will have absolutely no > > >right to piss & moan about the person currently [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Mary g'day mary, actually i thought it was all about oil! pablo > > > >If you DON'T vote, you will have absolutely no > > > >right to piss & moan about the person currently [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > g'day mary, > actually i thought it was all about oil! I simply can't understand other countries' political systems. In fact I can't really understand our own, except that it seems undemocratic ... Mary > pablo > I simply can't understand other countries' political systems. > > In fact I can't really understand our own, except that it seems undemocratic > ... > > Mary G'day mary, yes i don't think it's truly democratic if one house of parliament is not subject to election. isn't that the way it is with the house of lords? pablo > > I simply can't understand other countries' political systems. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > subject to election. isn't that the way it is with the house of lords? > pablo You think the House of Commons is democratically elected??? Mary > > > I simply can't understand other countries' political systems. > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Mary Howdy! No such thing as democracy in the real world anymore (unless you talk about townships & similar institutions.) Closest thing we have these days is a Democratic Republic! SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > > > G'day mary, > > > yes i don't think it's truly democratic if one house of parliament is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > No such thing as democracy in the real world anymore (unless you talk about > townships & similar institutions.) Exactly > Closest thing we have these days is a Democratic Republic! I don't know what that is. Do you? Mary > > > > G'day mary, > > > > yes i don't think it's truly democratic if one house of parliament is [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Mary Howdy Mary! When I was back in elementary school that's what they called the government that we have here in the USA. a.k.a. a "Jeffersonian Democracy" BUT Since the word has been so overused and just about everybody has a different definition of "democracy"... IMO the word is, for all intents and purposes, meaningless. SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > > > Closest thing we have these days is a Democratic Republic! > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > definition of "democracy"... > IMO the word is, for all intents and purposes, meaningless. Quite. :-( Mary >If you had true democracy people would be >able to vote for you. If I believe correctly, it was the Republicans who invented the electoral college so they could cheat legally. If the people could vote, BUSH would have NEVER been in office. >It seems to me to be more about money. All Bush wants to do is SEE how MUCH money he can BLOW on STUPID stuff. You guys, I just watched an online community I've been part of for years collapse because political discussions got out of control. I really, really don't want it to happen here. I need you people! > You guys, I just watched an online community I've been part of for years > collapse because political discussions got out of control. > > I really, really don't want it to happen here. I need you people! I'm not going to go away. Mary > You guys, I just watched an online community I've been part of for years > collapse because political discussions got out of control. > > I really, really don't want it to happen here. I need you people! Howdy Donna! I've been here a LOOOONG time... I'm not gonna' leave -- especially now that I've just found YOU! > You guys, I just watched an online community I've been part of for years > collapse because political discussions got out of control. > > I really, really don't want it to happen here. I need you people! Howdy Dona! Then again... It's not a very good idea to get totally dependant on just ONE support group -- especially if it's out there in cyber-space! Get your feet wet in AT LEAST one other group. I have several listed on the Epilepsy page of my site! SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > It's not a very good idea to get totally dependant on just ONE support > group -- especially if it's out there in cyber-space! > > Get your feet wet in AT LEAST one other group. I have several listed on the > Epilepsy page of my site! I only come to this epilepsy one. But I go to other groups - epilepsy isn't the only thing in my life :-) Mary I'm sadly addicted to several communities. This is the only epilepsy related one though. The other ones aren't particularly warm and fussy places, but I can't stay away. Barb knows all about it. > I'm sadly addicted to several communities. This is the only epilepsy related > one though. > > The other ones aren't particularly warm and fussy places, but I can't stay > away. Barb knows all about it. Howdy Dona! Wa'ja think about starting our own "warm fuzzy" group? If it doesn't work out we could always turn it into a mushroom patch or something like that! SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > Wa'ja think about starting our own "warm fuzzy" group? This my warm and fussy, slightly cuddly, group. > > Wa'ja think about starting our own "warm fuzzy" group? > > This my warm and fussy, slightly cuddly, group. I'm VERY cuddly :-) Mary > > I'm sadly addicted to several communities. This is the only epilepsy > related [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Wa'ja think about starting our own "warm fuzzy" group? I like that - but isn't it what we already are, mostly? > If it doesn't work out we could always turn it into a mushroom patch or > something like that! No, I don't like what they throw on such places ... Mary > > > I'm sadly addicted to several communities. This is the only epilepsy > > related [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Mary Howdy Mary! I don't know whether you've noticed or not... but some folks (present company excluded of course) heap it on pretty good around here too! SignatureDave ???? http://www.howdydave.com > > > > I'm sadly addicted to several communities. This is the only epilepsy > > > related [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > but some folks (present company excluded of course) heap it on pretty good > around here too! I couldn't possibly comment ... <XM G'day dona, a valid point. sometimes it isn't good to talk about politics, or for that matter religion, because they can be very emotive issues. That's why discussions on these subjects are banned in some pubs and clubs. pablo > You guys, I just watched an online community I've been part of for years > collapse because political discussions got out of control. > > I really, really don't want it to happen here. I need you people! I'm a proud moderate. Each side has its shortcomings, and both are wrong alot of the time. > The recent discussion on the possibility of an epileptic personality and the > list of famous with epilepsy, got me wondering: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I tend to hang pretty far left with leanings towards the middle on a lot of > things. But there are some issues I definitely go my own way on. > I'm a proud moderate. Each side has its shortcomings, and both are wrong > alot of the time. You sound like a Tyke. They're all wrong except thee and me and I'm not sure about thee ... :-) Mary Tyke as in child? :0 Actually, the older I get, the less sure I am of anything, especially my own opinions... > > I'm a proud moderate. Each side has its shortcomings, and both are wrong > > alot of the time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mary > Tyke as in child? :0 No, Tyke as in Yorkshireman. (and before anyone gets pc, 'man' emberaces 'woman'. I'm very pleased to say). > Actually, the older I get, the less sure I am of anything, especially my own > opinions... Yes, but one has to maintain the image, it's expected and lets others off the hook :-))) Mary > > > I'm a proud moderate. Each side has its shortcomings, and both are wrong > > > alot of the time. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Mary Howdy Mary! Well geez girl... I'd rather embrace a woman than a man any day! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > No, Tyke as in Yorkshireman. > > (and before anyone gets pc, 'man' emberaces 'woman'. I'm very pleased to > say). > > Mary > Howdy Mary! > > Well geez girl... > > I'd rather embrace a woman than a man any day! There I disagree with you. :-) And I haven't been a girl, no matter how you define it, for a very long time :-) Mary O Mary.... (He said whistfully while hoping to conceal his passion) You'll always be a girl to me! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > Howdy Mary! > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Mary > O Mary.... > > (He said whistfully while hoping to conceal his passion) Oops! That should be "whilst" shouldn't it? (That's pedanticism rearing it's ugly head again!) > You'll always be a girl to me! > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > Mary > > O Mary.... > > > > (He said whistfully while hoping to conceal his passion) > > Oops! That should be "whilst" shouldn't it? > (That's pedanticism rearing it's ugly head again!) Nothing wrong with 'while'. There is something wrong with 'whistfully' though ... :-) Mary > > > O Mary.... > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Mary Oh Mary... (he said with a submissive whimper while trying to conceal his burning desire) Better? SignatureDave ???? "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" > > > > O Mary.... > > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Better? You are so persuasive ... Mary Gee Dave, your lack of sleep doesn't show at all. Really, no really. You're not going out in the public before a nap are you? ;) Dave ©¿©¬ <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote >> O Mary.... >> >> (He said whistfully while hoping to conceal his passion) > >Oops! That should be "whilst" shouldn't it? >(That's pedanticism rearing it's ugly head again!) "it's ugly head.." >:-( SignatureMalcolm > >"Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message > >news:2oapc.4955$jn5.2872@news01.roc.ny... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > "it's ugly head.." >:-( Howdy Malcom! Did I get the gender wrong or sumthin'? :) SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > > >"Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message > > >news:2oapc.4955$jn5.2872@news01.roc.ny... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Did I get the gender wrong or sumthin'? :) Daev, You got the apostrophe wrong (it shouldn't have been there at all in the possessive) then, to add insult to injury, you spelt his name wrongly. There are two 'l's in Malcolm. I'm married to one and have to point that out to no end of people - but not when they've done it immediately underneath his own sig ... Mary > >"Dave ????" <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in message > >news:2oapc.4955$jn5.2872@news01.roc.ny... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > "it's ugly head.." >:-( I ignored it because Dave is so cute ... :-( Mary > O Mary.... > > (He said whistfully while hoping to conceal his passion) > > You'll always be a girl to me! I'll send you a picture. That'll larn you! Mary > > > Howdy Mary! > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > Mary This has been wonderful. You two are something else. Thank you for letting us all share in this, the beginning of your relationship. It's so special :) <ducking> > This has been wonderful. You two are something else. > > Thank you for letting us all share in this, the beginning of your > relationship. It's so special :) <ducking> <blush> Mary Well gee Dona... (he said with a sly wink while discreetely looking over his shoulder to make sure that Mary wasn't listening) I've got 2 shoulders to snuggle on don'cha know! [I was gonna' say "Well gee toots..." but I figured that all of my hopes for a cyber-romantic encounter would go down the drain if I started out that way!] SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > This has been wonderful. You two are something else. > > Thank you for letting us all share in this, the beginning of your > relationship. It's so special :) <ducking> Wa'ja think ladies? Is it about time to start an OT thread called "Romantic Encounters" or something like that? SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > Well gee Dona... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Thank you for letting us all share in this, the beginning of your > > relationship. It's so special :) <ducking> I know!!! "Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind!" Wa'ja think? SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" http://www.howdydave.com > Wa'ja think ladies? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > Thank you for letting us all share in this, the beginning of your > > > relationship. It's so special :) <ducking> > Wa'ja think ladies? > > Is it about time to start an OT thread called "Romantic Encounters" or > something like that? We'd need more men ... Mary > > Well gee Dona... > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > Thank you for letting us all share in this, the beginning of your > > > relationship. It's so special :) <ducking> Well, love of my life ("Hope Dona didn't hear that!" he thinks to himself.) If we start a dedicated thread they'll probably come in droves! SignatureDave ???? "Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum" > > Wa'ja think ladies? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mary > Well, love of my life > > ("Hope Dona didn't hear that!" he thinks to himself.) > > If we start a dedicated thread they'll probably come in droves! Right. You're the techie ... Mary > > > Wa'ja think ladies? > > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Mary >> Wa'ja think ladies? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Mary Me! Me! Me! Pleeease (Is this how Shakespeare wrote his plays?) SignatureMalcolm > >> Wa'ja think ladies? > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > (Is this how Shakespeare wrote his plays?) Well... I'd REALLY rather have them all to myself, but... (he said with a spirit of true Christian charity welling up in his heart) I guess you can come in... SignatureDave ???? > > >> Wa'ja think ladies? > > >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I guess you can come in... |
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