Hi
Lately, I have been overrun with porn ads on my news group reader. I wonder
if the rest of the group saw those ads about videos of people taking
showers, other people engaging in lewd gymnastic activity for display
purposes with animate and inanimate objects and for "medications" of
indescribable scope and promise. (I have since installed a firewall.)
I posted a message about coming to "Optical Conclusions" - a joke off a
post about a misspelled header and some posts about X rated sites. The first
part was a jokey vamp of the ads. I work clean - there was no vulgarity
mentioned on my post other than to allude to the ads.
The second part was a serious note regarding a point Gaross has brought up
several times regarding Tegretol.
I also noticed I received one response to the serious aspect of my post on
my Outlook Express mailer but later saw got four on my Yahoo account.
First, my attempt at humor would seem more incoherent than my usual posting
without the referent of the aforementioned porn ads. Are any of you getting
porn ads or have they been blocked on your server?
Second, I post serious queries about epilepsy and get no responses. Now, I
know this is a newsgroup where we share our experiences - I have been
getting through the rough times by leaning on this group since I found it.
(Thank you, all.) Is my server blocking some responses from the group or is
this becoming a chat line for The Few The Proud The Epileptic? (This I
doubt.)
Are all servers created equally? Are all posts being posted? Are we getting
porn - spammed?
Thank you in advance for our response, should you be motivated enough to
respond.
Mark
Mary Fisher - 16 Apr 2004 15:03 GMT
> I posted a message about coming to "Optical Conclusions" - a joke off a
> post about a misspelled header and some posts about X rated sites. The first
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> without the referent of the aforementioned porn ads. Are any of you getting
> porn ads
No.
> or have they been blocked on your server?
Probably.
> Second, I post serious queries about epilepsy and get no responses. Now, I
> know this is a newsgroup where we share our experiences - I have been
> getting through the rough times by leaning on this group since I found it.
> (Thank you, all.) Is my server blocking some responses from the group or is
> this becoming a chat line for The Few The Proud The Epileptic? (This I
> doubt.)
Chat can be supportive.
We don't all have the same experiences so can't offer sensible answers to
all questions.
> Are all servers created equally? Are all posts being posted? Are we getting
> porn - spammed?
I doubt it, perhaps you're expecting too much?
> Thank you in advance for our response, should you be motivated enough to
> respond.
For what it's worth, here it is :-)
Mary
> Mark
Bob - 16 Apr 2004 16:06 GMT
> Hi
>
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> purposes with animate and inanimate objects and for "medications" of
> indescribable scope and promise. (I have since installed a firewall.)
Hi Mark
I get a countless number of those in my email, but not in the newsgroup although
I use the same software for both.
> I posted a message about coming to "Optical Conclusions" - a joke off a
> post about a misspelled header and some posts about X rated sites. The first
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> The second part was a serious note regarding a point Gaross has brought up
> several times regarding Tegretol.
I just checked and there are 6 posts here by you since the beginning of the
year. Those 2 are among them.
> I also noticed I received one response to the serious aspect of my post on
> my Outlook Express mailer but later saw got four on my Yahoo account.
>
> First, my attempt at humor would seem more incoherent than my usual posting
> without the referent of the aforementioned porn ads. Are any of you getting
> porn ads or have they been blocked on your server?
I've gotten no porn ads in this newsgroup that I can recall at this moment
although there may have been some. My service does NOT block them, including
vote for Ralph Nader spam.
> Second, I post serious queries about epilepsy and get no responses.
You received a number of replies on the grapefruit thread. You received 3
replies on "Optical Conclusions" . There doesn't appear to be a problem.
> Now, I
> know this is a newsgroup where we share our experiences - I have been
> getting through the rough times by leaning on this group since I found it.
> (Thank you, all.) Is my server blocking some responses from the group or is
> this becoming a chat line for The Few The Proud The Epileptic? (This I
> doubt.)
It's all there. Keep in mind that your newsgroup server drops old posts and you
will only find recent posts and that all depends on the retention time for your
server.
> Are all servers created equally? Are all posts being posted?
Looks like it.
> Are we getting
> porn - spammed?
I don't think so.
> Thank you in advance for our response, should you be motivated enough to
> respond.
>
> Mark
Here it is! :-)
Bob
gaross - 16 Apr 2004 17:50 GMT
I've embedded a few comments below at ***s. I hadn't really thought
about that, but possibly people being 'harvested here' might be contributing
to some periodic drops in posts that occur. Sometimes various countries
have different Holidays or Schedules than others, so parts of any replies to
some initial questions might not appear for a day or two, when they return
to read the group, after someone does a post here. Others might be away
from their 'base', so don't reply until they pick up their mail. (continued
below)
> Hi
> Lately, I have been overrun with porn ads on my news group reader. I wonder
> if the rest of the group saw those ads about videos of people taking
> showers, other people engaging in lewd gymnastic activity for display
> purposes with animate and inanimate objects and for "medications" of
> indescribable scope and promise. (I have since installed a firewall.)
*** The UK.people.support dot epilepsy group used to get the same number of
posts a day as alt.support.ep (about 30-40 each). It now gets less than
5-10 per *week (last time I subscribed to see). It was driven down there by
the (supposed) Network Administrator of all the uk.people.support.*
groups -- who was Re-selling Poster Names to junk sites, like you noticed
from 'here'.
This group *is being harvested, as you've seen, often by Robots so any
Neanderthols who DO THAT won't see this comment on their mental dexterity.
(How many Gold Swiss Watches do you Need before you can't see your Arms any
longer? And Who'd give their Charge Account information to a Troll who says
he's from Utah, when the headers show he's in Asia or Europe? )
A few that I got or found posted 'here' I used to forward to the Source
Provider, if I found it, with an explanation of where the message was being
posted. THAT used to get them offline quicker.
**Note though, if 'Sally from Houston' is really APNIC (Asia), 3-4
countries in Europe, or Money Laundry /Diamond mine Frauds from Africa, you
won't find an ISP who cares to remove them. (cont'd below--> ) /
> I posted a message about coming to "Optical Conclusions" - a joke off a
> post about a misspelled header and some posts about X rated sites. The first
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> Are all servers created equally? Are all posts being posted? Are we getting
> porn - spammed?
G: So far as I know there's no way to Censor or Remove someone's post once
they put it up. The length of time it gets displayed might be determined
either on internal settings in your machine? or where ever the switchover
is. I've occasionally had a flurry of 'new posts' 2 days old show up, but
most times they're close to the time the originator posted it.
** I find a Sharp rise, in both my Traps (spamkiller or local filters),
from a daily 5-10 if I'm 'quiet' to 40-60. (This morning I had ~115 that
came in overnight-- about 40% to this address (so from alt.ep or Phishers
reading here) and the rest are being misdirected by my Provider to me, with
just as <exciting> stuff as you are getting.)
The Adult Materials, if I can locate the source in N.America, I send on
to the Provider, with the Headers of the Source mail, and explain that 'my
kids start up my computer each morning, and they want to know what This
Picture is... What do you suggest *I* Tell them?? "
The fact that **both my kids are Grown and Married now, and don't Live here,
is no concern to a TROLL ENABLER. The Quickest way to get them to pull
someone offline is to put Fear of their potential loss of business or
appearance in Court or on "Sixty Minutes" (T.V. in the U.S.) as a
Trash-Provider Source.
I Discard ALL MAILS from *.jp, *.21cn, *.cn, *.kr, *.hk and *.tw (Don't
forget the Dot after the *)-- Japan, China (2 provider sites), Korea, Hong
Kong and Taiwan. I wrote them once or twice before I did that and
explained to the Network Providers that **some types of seizures have a
higher than expected Footprint in some parts of Asia, than elsewhere, and
their Trolls were keeping people w. Kids + others from participating if all
of us set those Discards here. (Those *'s Don't affect anyone's ability to
**Post, even Trash -- here --> just keeps it from getting to personal
Inmail.)
Above (while I'm off topic anyway), by the way, can ALL be done within
ONE FILTER, and don't need separate ones set up if your system allows
multiple blocks while you set them up. IF you're not sure if it's catching
any, you can Move Mail to Trash then check the Trash Bin before you log off
(assuming Discard Trash at Sign-off is set).
We should each have a **Virus Killer Program in-use when posting here,
as we are not immune to harvesting for corrupt reasons too. ( I have just
(today) received 4 Swen Worms while I was typing this, even though I didn't
have any overnight in all the junk that came in. I USUALLY get 4-8 after
Posting on alt.ep in the Next Morning's messages.)
If people aren't using Spamkillers, with Worm traps, as part of their
operating systems or added on later, those might also have become infected
AFTER Posting here, if they didn't have some of the exotic Anti Spam stuff
others use. The newer 'worms' go into Address Books on infected computers,
then send mails (And worm copies) to all your Friends, so continue to spread
unless trapped and burned by the software on all the systems they attack.
Some people set their Inmail to "Discard Inbox at exit", then remember
each time to look through their Mail, and File anything they want to Save,
but skip over mail from people they don't know. Then the Junk is discarded
when they leave the Inmail, to go on to Groups Lists. I might eventually
switch to that method./
> Thank you in advance for our response, should you be motivated enough to
> respond.
> Mark
WRT junk posting here by robot or (often) by mistake, I used to identify a
source provider about *20% of the time, or I'd identify Subject Titles of
mails I got and Source of the abuse desk to forward junk to, if anyone
wanted to.
Two people complained that Identifying a Troll as such (since their
systems either didn't display Troll Posts to start with [they said], OR they
considered identifying someone posting, who was posting simultaneously to *5
or more groups, was also 'spam' and they wanted me to quit it. So I did.
(Anyone doing a 'reply to group' to a message sent to *5-10 groups, without
seeing and deleting the other 9 Groups, has their message and address sent
to all 5-9 Other groups, Whether they're subscribed on those, or not.
That's another way addresses are spread for harvesting.) / end rambling
/ G.R.
Julie - 16 Apr 2004 18:10 GMT
Hi Mark, I try to keep up to date on the newsgroup by quickly reviewing all the
new posts. If it's not something I want or need to read I still click the item
so my newsreader accepts that I've read it and only shows me a green mark by
those posts that are new.
Just above this post of yours was one named Sister Handjob 4453 by some unknown
poster. I didn't even need to read it. I just do a right click and set the
thread to "Ignore thread". Then I came to your post and was ready to do the
same thing - ignore the thread - because of your subject line, but then I looked
at who posted it. Because I recognized your name I went ahead and read your
post.
I don't know if all servers are created equally, but I do notice that some
rejects are getting through just to be rejected by me ;-)
Take care,
Julie
> Hi
>
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>
> Mark
gaross - 16 Apr 2004 22:12 GMT
Hmm. I had always assumed we were all reading the same 'stuff'... *I used
Netscape when I was on Win.95, but now on new computer I'm on Win.XP. *I*
didn't get the message here that you mentioned below. I think (you probably
know), on netscape? you can just click the larger green dot (if it's still
on newer versions, where message threads are displayed in summary, and it
changes to small dot so appears that it's been read. Then if you have
messages set to Remove read ones on exit, those will disappear, without even
needing to open them.
I usually leave my messages sorted by Message Thread, and they expire
in 2-4 days, but with my Memory (for the ones I want to keep 'here'), I can
then see if someone asked a question that's already been answered by someone
or if a new website was found that I might want to bookmark.
(Most of the junk like what you described below, I got direct-mailed to
my Mail, since I don't use any fancy spam blocks like others do. I might on
next Mail ID. I use, once I get a couple of Glitches fixed I have between my
system and 'Bill's Updates' (M.soft). One of the computer stores told me my
'id.' might have been harvested here, then used to grab M.soft updates on my
behalf, so when I clicked on Update Win.XP it looked like I was using a
stolen ID.)
The earlier 'long post' I did, described filters I use on my Mailbox
since the Trash I was getting showed up there, after posting 'here'. I
THINK that Netscape has the same type of Filtering options (for Mail), as my
'desiderata' described earlier, so long as particular Mail Sites aren't ones
you need access or information from for the Idaho Site Business. Once you
have told it to Discard all mail 'From *.jp', all of Japan-sourced mail
would be removed from incoming mail. Several I got in that Large bunch
this AM were using Europe sites to 'launder' Asia addresses, and the Simple
Filters might not see the true source as Asia as it only looks as the Last
sender site?
I think, though, like you said below, if Mark is getting those mails on
the Group, he also can click on Tools? to Ignore Thread option, and further
mails with the Same Subject Line would all be bypassed. (I think I
mentioned earlier I sort messages by Message Thread, so that replies to an
original message stay in a cluster of related responses, even if they arrive
over 2-3 days after the original post. ) G./ (2 more "Swen A's" just
got Trapped as I typed this.)
> Hi Mark, I try to keep up to date on the newsgroup by quickly reviewing all the
> new posts. If it's not something I want or need to read I still click the item
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> > respond.
> > Mark
CyberCafe - 16 Apr 2004 19:34 GMT
> Hi
>
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>
> Second, I post serious queries about epilepsy and get no responses.
Same thing happens all the time here. Sometimes my own messages or responses
are missing. It's an ISP problem. If you aren't seeing messages, go to google
groups and find our newsgroup. There is a delay on posting messages in google,
but sometimes that's the only way to see messages that are being dumped by the
ISP.
> Now, I
> know this is a newsgroup where we share our experiences - I have been
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>
> Are all servers created equally?
I don't think so.
> Are all posts being posted?
I don't think so, at least not from our ISP. They've gone as long as five days
without messages. When they do come back, the whole five days of missing posts
is still gone. It's not entirely the ISP's fault because sometimes they are
overwhelmed with traffic. .
> Are we getting
> porn - spammed?
I'm seeing very few actual porn messages, but we really get a lot of spam e-mail
from newsgroup postings.
Barb
> Thank you in advance for our response, should you be motivated enough to
> respond.
> Mark
Bob - 16 Apr 2004 19:56 GMT
> Sometimes my own messages or responses
> are missing. It's an ISP problem. If you aren't seeing messages, go to google
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> is still gone. It's not entirely the ISP's fault because sometimes they are
> overwhelmed with traffic.
There is a FREE german newsserver. It can be used all the time instead of what you
aree currently using, or just on occasion instead of Google. It has a better
retention than most and is very trouble free! The only downside is having to enter
a username & password every time, which is why I don't use it fulltime.
http://news.individual.net/
Bob
Mary Fisher - 16 Apr 2004 20:08 GMT
> There is a FREE german newsserver. It can be used all the time instead of what you
> aree currently using, or just on occasion instead of Google. It has a better
> retention than most and is very trouble free! The only downside is having to enter
> a username & password every time, which is why I don't use it fulltime.
> http://news.individual.net/
I tried that some time ago - and again more recently.
It was no better than my regular (paid for) ISP.
Mary
> Bob
turbinado - 16 Apr 2004 20:46 GMT
I have also been getting these porn ads on my news server - several per day.
> Hi
>
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>
> Mark