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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / April 2004Can someone with epilepsy go on an exotic holiday?
I have posted an article to my web site that attempts to answer that question. The simple answer is "Yes, with care and support", but please read the full article . . . Julie http://www.livingwithepilepsy.org.uk Howdy Julie! How on earth can you DARE to make such a prejudicial sweeping statement as that? I don't know about other epileptics, but I for one do not need (and have not needed in the passed) my a.s covered and nose wiped if I care to take any trips -- exotic or otherwise! Are you saying that everybody with epilepsy, including those whose seizures are fully controlled, need supervision? You are the ideal subject of my motto: "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" With care and support maybe you can get somebody to translate that for you!  SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > I have posted an article to my web site that attempts to answer that > question. The simple answer is "Yes, with care and support", but > please read the full article . . . > > Julie > http://www.livingwithepilepsy.org.uk Howdy AGAIN Julie! You may want to check your guestbook... I made some rather provocative statements. re: a statement on your site about your VNS - It is NOT on all the time, it is active all the time (big difference!) If it was on all the time the device would constantly be sending a charge to your vagus nerve. I assume that this is not the case. Do not write so that things can be understood. Write so that things can NOT be MISUNDERSTOOD! Especially watch out for those sweeping and/or absolute statements (always, never, everybody, nobody etc.) Don'cha just HATE it when a technical writer gets on your case? :) SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > Howdy Julie! > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Julie > > http://www.livingwithepilepsy.org.uk Then again... It could just be the difference between English and American English. I've got to remember that we are both writing for an international audience with differing fluency in the language. "Two peoples separated by a common language." --Winston Churchill SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > Howdy AGAIN Julie! > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > > Julie > > > http://www.livingwithepilepsy.org.uk > Howdy AGAIN Julie! > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Don'cha just HATE it when a technical writer gets on your case? :) I don't understand what you mean Dave. Do you mean YOU are on her case, or some other technical writer is on her case? And what does on her case mean? Does Julie have a wooden box upon which you are standing or are you perhaps sitting upon her medical files or perhaps you are the judge in a trial in which Julie is the defendant? Please in future Dave would you clarify things a little more. Because I ALWAYS get confused and NEVER understand it, when EVERYBODY writes things that NOBODY understands. JK. Cheers :-) Darryl. > -- > Dave ???? [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > > Julie > > > http://www.livingwithepilepsy.org.uk > > Howdy AGAIN Julie! > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Please in future Dave would you clarify things a little more. > Because I ALWAYS get confused and NEVER understand it, You have a problem ... > when EVERYBODY writes > things that NOBODY understands. Dave hasn't doen't that in my experience. Mary > Howdy AGAIN Julie! > > Don'cha just HATE it when a technical writer gets on your case? :) Somebody has to. Mary > Howdy Julie! > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > http://www.howdydave.com Here's one for you which will not need much translation - Pompus Prickus. > > Howdy Julie! > > How on earth can you DARE to make such a prejudicial sweeping statement as > > that? > > I don't know about other epileptics, but I for one do not need (and have not > > needed in the passed) my a.s covered and nose wiped if I care to take any > > trips -- exotic or otherwise! > > > > Are you saying that everybody with epilepsy, including those whose seizures > > are fully controlled, need supervision? > > > > You are the ideal subject of my motto: > > "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" > > > > With care and support maybe you can get somebody to translate that for you! > > -- > > Dave ???? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 06/04/2004 G. I guess that makes you new in Town... Most of us recognize when Howdy is being teased by the women on the group, or 'versa vice'. He only wins about 1 in 3. But he never asks for much more than that. Just click 'next' and let him play Bachelors need love too ya know (I'd heard). G./ > > Howdy Julie! > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > Here's one for you which will not need much translation - Pompus Prickus. Is that from your autobiography? I guess you're selling books too. > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 06/04/2004 > Is that from your autobiography? I guess you're selling books too. Not to anyone here, I'll bet. Mary >> Is that from your autobiography? I guess you're selling books too. > >Not to anyone here, I'll bet. > >Mary Dunno. Some of my posts are long enough, aren't they? All I gotta do is find a publisher :( SignatureMalcolm > Dunno. Some of my posts are long enough, aren't they? > > All I gotta do is find a publisher :( They're not long enough :-) Mary I hooked onto here since I don't want to be part of the last 2-3 day's exchanges that went up on this thread. This post has to do with earlier stuff and not specifically with Malcolm or Mary's post at bottom. It's unfortunate the woman who posted earlier (a newbie?) who used the above Subject title, wanted to tell us about a trip she took, then had the thread diverted so easily onto a silly thread that went nowhere wrt. PWE. Hopefully she hasn't left and will continue to post here. As a support group for PWE and Families with members Living with Epilepsy, it serves no purpose to get into Flame Wars and personal attacks, while there's someone who's only posted one or two times here, trying to join in. Hopefully the woman who wanted to tell us about her travels is still around and will continue to post. WRT posting 'on behalf' of someone else, let them do their own posts. More than 80% of people who post here have personal experiences with living with Epilepsy, and while we have family members and Doctors who come here to find out what they can do to best help people newly diagnosed, the 'auxiliary observers' make up less than 10-15% of the people who read this group (and don't post) or become reluctant to post in the middle of a 'Brush Fire' . Less than 20% of the people who read this group or search out Information with Google and other engines, are actually *active here. Earlier types of exchanges just create 'noise' that will either drive them away from posting the first time, or 'mask out' subjects that search engines might use to find useful information wrt. being newly diagnosed, or coping approaches some of us have found to work around various seizure types, or side effects, of Living with Epilepsy, plus how to best inform Families and Co-workers on helping us when we're have seizures. Those people should be respected too, and a little more 'support' back in alt.support would encourage more of the lurkers to participate. G.R. (I didn't hook onto earlier messages, or join in, since they are rapidly expiring on my server and I wanted to keep that happening. Some of the thread, if someone looking down it at the centre might also think it might be feeding one of the Phishers who come through here once or twice a week. And I don't know what the ordering (internal to a CPU) of the Date of a Post -- set by software, has to do with Living with Epilepsy. Set 'Sort message threads by Subject' and the related messages will stay together without needing to check the date and time they were added. ) / > > Dunno. Some of my posts are long enough, aren't they? > > All I gotta do is find a publisher :( [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -- > > Malcolm > I hooked onto here since I don't want to be part of the last 2-3 day's > exchanges that went up on this thread. This post has to do with earlier [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > message threads by Subject' and the related messages will stay together > without needing to check the date and time they were added. ) / Sorry if I caused any offence, or upset you or anyone else over the past few days.Thnigs didn't pan out the way I expected, as the last thing I wanted was to get involved in was a slanging match on such a serious subject. Altough I don't post here often, I do visit the NG on a regular basis and will honestly try to avoid the sort of exchange that took place with "no spam" in the future. Once again if I have upset anyone, please forgive me as there was no hurt intended > > > Howdy Julie! > > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Is that from your autobiography? I guess you're selling books too. Pogue mahon - for want of a better phrase. > > > > Howdy Julie! > > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > Pogue mahon - for want of a better phrase. Your book title? By a multi-lingual foulmouth. We can guess what the contents are like can't we. > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 06/04/2004 > > > > > Howdy Julie! > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Your book title? By a multi-lingual foulmouth. We can guess what the contents > are like can't we. A multi-lingual foulmouth being criticised by a multi-lingual fol, now theres a first. > > > > > > Howdy Julie! > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > A multi-lingual foulmouth being criticised by a multi-lingual fol, now > theres a first. Still autobiographical I see. > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. But not free of foul language & other stupidity. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 06/04/2004 I'm impressed. Released in the future. > > > > > > > Howdy Julie! > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > I'm impressed. Released in the future. O wise one, here in the UK we use the correct method of writing the date, Day/Month/year. Still impressed, or are you now enlightened? Try to broaden your knowledge of the world by reading something other than the cartoon section of the Sunday newspapers. Now to the serious bit. My wife suffers from epilepsy, and is not an EPILEPTIC, which is a term that is offensive to most people with this illness. She HAS taken a major seizure while on holiday and spent 5 days in intensive care. Believe me she was glad there were people on hand to see that her "a.s was covered and nose wiped" (fuuny how you don't seem to take offence at the word "a.s", but have problems when it is used in the Gaelic form), so you see why I got annoyed at the original post. Then you come along with your self righteous comments defending the idiot who wrote it. Point made - I hope. reading >O wise one, here in the UK we use the correct method of writing the date, >Day/Month/year. Still impressed, or are you now enlightened? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >with your self righteous comments defending the idiot who wrote it. >Point made - I hope. Yes, but we are all different. I *don't* mind being referred to as an epileptic - as I've posted here before, epilepsy is inextricably intertwined with my character and I wouldn't be the person I am today without it. It's part of me and I'll only ever accept myself if I accept that I'm epileptic. If I *can't* accept that, then I should ask myself "Why not? What is there to be ashamed of?" Nothing, so let's just accept that I have it and get on with life. That doesn't mean that I *like* having epilepsy, or the side effects of the meds. And I sometimes wonder where I'd have got to in life if I wasn't epileptic. And yes, there are some people who think I should not take the risks I should re climbing, swimming, sailing, etc. But I dismiss those risks because I can think of no better way of enjoying life, and if it leads to a premature end, then at least I'll have enjoyed what I've had. I acknowledge that there are those who don't like the word epileptic, or calling seizures fits. But that's what the world calls them, and I can't carry my own little bubble of self-delusion around with me. Or maybe I could - but I don't want to. We are all different. Regards, SignatureMalcolm > >O wise one, here in the UK we use the correct method of writing the date, > >Day/Month/year. Still impressed, or are you now enlightened? [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > -- > Malcolm Hi Malcom, sorry if you were offended by the above, but the comments were made to one person in particular and were not pointed at people with epilepsy in general. Without sounding patronising, I think it is great that you refuse to let your condition interfere with your enjoyment of life, but the original post was about people with epilepsy not needing anyone to "Wipe noses, and clean a.s". I am afraid they do, as I have never known anyone having a seizure being in a position to call an ambulance for example. My wife has had two spells in intensive care and both times was eternally grateful that help was on hand to get her to hospital in the first place, hence my annoyance at the "I don't need help from no one" attitude. Any way keep doing what you are doing and good luck fono r the future. Tappy . > > > > > > > > Howdy Julie! > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > O wise one, here in the UK we use the correct method of writing the date, > Day/Month/year. Still impressed, or are you now enlightened? Perhaps you are the one who could explain a couple of things then. At the end of the website http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php it says "Modified on 4-11-2004" Which "correct method" are they using? One would expect them to be consistent? and what's that about UK? they have GRISOFT, s.r.o. (Czech Republic) and Grisoft, Inc. (Delaware, United States) I don't see UK mentioned. > Try to broaden your knowledge of the world by reading something other than > the > cartoon section of the Sunday newspapers. Follow your own advice or are the soccer scores all that interest you? > Now to the serious bit. My wife suffers from epilepsy, and is not an > EPILEPTIC, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > you come along > with your self righteous comments defending the idiot who wrote it. The "point" is that the man whom you originally attacked has _personally_ experienced such major seizures. Your comments were out of place in this newsgroup. > Point made - I hope. > > reading Think about it. > The "point" is that the man whom you originally attacked has _personally_ > experienced such major seizures. Your comments were out of place in this [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Think about it. Yes, and my better half has had two life threatening status episodes, but she doesn't go around with a chip on her shoulder. Have you given any thought to the people who might have been offended by this persons comments, or are you so wrapped up in your own world that no ones elses feeling are taken in to account. I have never known anyone who has had a seizure to be in a position to say "I don't need help" . By the way, this NG is for peoples thought and feelings on the subject matter and any post should be made on the understanding that is is up for criticism and comment. I am afraid you are in no position to determine what is in or out of place as you are not the censor for "alt.support.epilepsy". > > The "point" is that the man whom you originally attacked has _personally_ > > experienced such major seizures. Your comments were out of place in this > > newsgroup. > > > Yes, and my better half has had two life threatening status episodes, but > she doesn't go around with a chip on her shoulder. But she's got you to do that for her. > Have you given any thought > to the people who might have been offended by this persons comments, He happens to be one of the more helpful people in this newsgroup. He also maintains a website with important information for epilepsy sufferers. > By the way, this NG is for peoples thought and feelings on the subject > matter > and any post should be made on the understanding that is is up for criticism > and comment. I am afraid you are in no position to determine what is in or > out of place > as you are not the censor for "alt.support.epilepsy". It sounds like you're bidding for that job. > > > The "point" is that the man whom you originally attacked has _personally_ > > > experienced such major seizures. Your comments were out of place in this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > But she's got you to do that for her. Well you must be the most balanced person I have ever come across, a chip on both shoulders. > > Have you given any thought > > to the people who might have been offended by this persons comments, > > He happens to be one of the more helpful people in this newsgroup. He also > maintains a website with important information for epilepsy sufferers. How does that make him right every time? Rubbishing someone else who suffers from the same complaint counts as helpful, important information does it? > > By the way, this NG is for peoples thought and feelings on the subject > > matter [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It sounds like you're bidding for that job. Pathetic response. Can't you think of something original or maybe even a reply to my questions. Seems to me you are one of the "I'll get the last word in, no matter what rubbish I spout" crowd. Either come up with something sensible to say, or butt out. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 06/04/2004 [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Grisoft, Inc. (Delaware, United States) > I don't see UK mentioned. Consistent they are, and clever too. The dates are modified to suit the country where the software is being used eg USA - month/day/year, UK - day/month/year. Now surely that didn't need explaining. > > Try to broaden your knowledge of the world by reading something other than > > the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > you come along > > with your self righteous comments defending the idiot who wrote it. Have you no comment on the a.s issue above? > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 06/04/2004 [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > day/month/year. > Now surely that didn't need explaining. You guessed, but you guessed wrong, wrong, wrong! Better take a look at the code before you put your other foot in it. > > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 06/04/2004 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > You guessed, but you guessed wrong, wrong, wrong! Better take a look at the > code before you put your other foot in it. Your original faux pas concerned the date 06/04/2004. Explain why your feeble attempt at sarcasm failed miserably. >I have posted an article to my web site that attempts to answer that >question. The simple answer is "Yes, with care and support", but >please read the full article . . . > >Julie >http://www.livingwithepilepsy.org.uk Julie, Nothing stopped me from going solo in the remote Himalaya, where the nearest hospital of any kind was hundreds of miles away across mountains with no roads. I took my epilepsy with me (at the time it was uncontrolled - 'the falling sickness' they called it in Ladakh) and do not expect to be rescued if something goes very wrong. Who needs a Mile-High Club membership when the 20,000 ft climbing seizure club is far more elite? But I do not let it stop me. I'm also happy out sailing solo and again, if something goes wrong, I do not expect anyone to mollycoddle me out of trouble. It is not irresponsibility, it is independence. Although I am an epileptic I am not Epilepsy, and I refuse to let it rule my life. *I* make the decisions. If epilepsy makes things difficult I find a way around, rather than cancel the decision. It is my life, not my epilepsy's. Even to suggest that people with epilepsy cannot go on holiday implies we are slaves to our condition. Whatever happened to the independence and guts we are supposed to have? In the words of Ellen MacArthur - " à donf ! " SignatureMalcolm "M" <webmaster@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message > Julie, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > we are slaves to our condition. Whatever happened to the independence > and guts we are supposed to have? I gree with all the above. > In the words of Ellen MacArthur - " ? donf ! " But I'd like to know what that means - and who is Ellen MacArthure? Mary > > In the words of Ellen MacArthur - " ? donf ! " > > But I'd like to know what that means - and who is Ellen MacArthure? > > Mary Google is your friend my dear http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Ellen+MacArthure Though "? donf !" was not recognizable to me nor did it translate....French perhaps? Jedi and Son > > > In the words of Ellen MacArthur - " ? donf ! " > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Google is your friend my dear Don't patronise me. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Ellen+MacArthure > Though "? donf !" was not recognizable to me nor did it translate....French > perhaps? It's not like any French I know. Mary > Jedi and Son re: " ? donf ! " Doesn't sound like French to me! Sounds more like me talking with a fully congested head. You know... " I hope you figured oud what "? donf !" meanths... Ath for mythelf '? don'f ! habe a clue!" SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > > > > In the words of Ellen MacArthur - " ? donf ! " > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Don't patronise me. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Ellen+MacArthure > > Though "? donf !" was not recognizable to me nor did it > translate....French [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > Jedi and Son Dave ©¿©¬ <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote >re: " à donf ! " > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >" I hope you figured oud what "à donf !" meanths... Ath for mythelf 'à don'f >! habe a clue!" Just waiting patiently to see if this thread gets there in the end <beg>! I have only two life heroes. No film-stars, footballers, 6 nations rugby players, FA cup teams, etc. so I'm not very good at male-bonding in the pub. My heroes are famous but real people. 1) Muhammad Ali, because he stuck by his principles, he set his mind on a route in life and he didn't let anything divert him from that route. He hasn't even let Parkinsons disease take away his dignity or self respect. 2) Ellen MacArthur, because she has more guts than I have, she has a life-style which I envy and yet she's not afraid to be human. When she gained fame as a result of her achievements, she's accepted it but still remains just 'Ellen who enjoys the sea'. Both of my heroes share one thing in common - a 100% belief in their own abilities - an attitude of "I want to, so I will!" à don'f ! SignatureMalcolm > Just waiting patiently to see if this thread gets there in the end > <beg>! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > 2) Ellen MacArthur, Not famous enough ... Mary >> Just waiting patiently to see if this thread gets there in the end >> <beg>! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Mary More famous than Mary Fisher :-þ SignatureMalcolm > >> Just waiting patiently to see if this thread gets there in the end > >> <beg>! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > More famous than Mary Fisher :-? That's not at all difficult. But you didn't say who Ellen MacArthur was :-) Mary Howdy! If we're gonna' list heros, I think it warrants a thread dedicated to itself (some folks may have probably tuned this thread out by now.) SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > > >> Just waiting patiently to see if this thread gets there in the end > > >> <beg>! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Mary <snip> > I have only two life heroes. No film-stars, footballers, 6 nations rugby > players, FA cup teams, etc. so I'm not very good at male-bonding in the > pub. My heroes are famous but real people. <snip> > 2) Ellen MacArthur, because she has more guts than I have, she has a > life-style which I envy and yet she's not afraid to be human. When she > gained fame as a result of her achievements, she's accepted it but still > remains just 'Ellen who enjoys the sea'. Ellen MacArthur rocks. I remember watching a documentary about her sail around the Globe. If I'm not mistaken, she rescued one of the other sailors in the race... Go, Ellen! (btw, my mom's name is Ellen) ;) And I do love the name of her boat. Kingfisher. - Charlie > <snip> > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And I do love the name of her boat. Kingfisher. Well, thanks. I know a little more about her now. But not much ... Mary > - Charlie >Well, thanks. I know a little more about her now. But not much ... Ellen's great-grandparents came from Skye and were boating people and a great-uncle ran away to sea when young, but any real connection with the sea is tenuous. When Ellen was eight, an aunt took her sailing on the east coast, after which she was hooked. At school, she saved up all her dinner money for three years to buy her first boat, an eight-foot dinghy. She spent all her spare time reading sailing books in the library and soaking up information like a sponge. She was going to be a vet but a bout of glandular fever while she was in the Sixth Form set her back. Instead, she resolved to become a professional sailor. At 18, she sailed single-handed round Britain and won the Young Sailor of the Year award for being the youngest person to pass the Yachtmaster Offshore Qualification, with the highest possible marks in theory and practical examinations. The nautical establishment looked on benignly at "Little Ellen" from Derbyshire, just 5' 2'' tall, and metaphorically patted her on the head. She wrote 2,500 letters to potential sponsors - and received just two replies. They stopped patting her on the head and looked at her in a new light when she undertook the Mini-Transat solo race from Brest in France to Martinique in the French Caribbean in 1997. With little money, no major sponsorship and not even a return ticket, she took the ferry to France, bought Le Poisson, a 21ft yacht, and refitted it on site. She learned French in order to deal with French shipwrights and camped next to Le Poisson while she worked on the mast and hull. Then she sailed 2,700 miles across the Atlantic; a race, which she completed in 33 days. This achievement brought her first major sponsorship from Kingfisher, who believes in backing young people with an ambition to succeed. Ellen smashed a number of records during her Vendée Globe challenge in 2000/ 2001, including becoming the fastest woman to sail round the world, the second-fastest single-handed man or woman, the youngest person, at 24, to complete the Vendée Globe, and the first woman to secure a podium finish. The Vendée Globe is far the toughest challenge that the world's oceans have to offer: 100 days alone at sea, racing round the world. Since then, she has been very much in the public eye (in the UK and sailing world anyway) with her racing and real-time broadcasts from storms in the middle of nowhere in the ocean. And the story goes on, with a new trimaran just launched and ready for the next race.... Enough? What do we do with our dinner money :( SignatureMalcolm > >Well, thanks. I know a little more about her now. But not much ... > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > And the story goes on, with a new trimaran just launched and ready for > the next race.... Oh! That's who she is - Of course I've heard of her and been moved and proud too, I just hadn't remembered the name. > Enough? That was brilliant, I know much more now, thank you. And she IS a hero isn't she :-) Persistence pays - not just for Ellen but for me ... > What do we do with our dinner money :( I can't remember what I did with mine but I know that and bus fares and once a piano lesson fee weren't always used for what they should have been. But never anything as worthwhile as Ellen ... Mary We still don't know what "? don'f" means - or did I miss something? >We still don't know what "à don'f" means - or did I miss something? OK... French experts please correct me if I'm wrong: You won't find 'à donf' in any English/French dictionary as it is Verlan ( = French slang ). Verlan transposes letters and phonemes in order to make the word sound smoother and more audibly acceptable. I presume Ellen picked it up when she was living in a French shipyard getting her boat ready. It is painted on the front of the hulls of her rather more expensive new trimaran. à donf is a transposition of à fond, which means 'very much', but this still doesn't really help. You don't go sailing round the world and shout "Very much!" when you set off. It is one of those phrases where the literal doesn't transfer the meaning (like 'alors' which means 'then' but is used with a shrug to mean 'OK, it's not going to happen, too bad!'). Probably the best un-literal translation of 'à donf' is "Full on! Go for it!" Unless, or course, someone knows different? SignatureMalcolm > >We still don't know what "? don'f" means - or did I miss something? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Unless, or course, someone knows different? I'm not a French expert and don't know what it means but I wondered if we could ask Ellen? Mary > I'm not a French expert and don't know what it means but I wondered if we > could ask Ellen? Done. It could take some time to get an answer, watch this space. Mary "Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:... > "M" <webmaster@need.to.remain.anon> wrote in message > > I'm not a French expert and don't know what it means but I wondered if we > could ask Ellen? Further to that, I have done, asked her I mean. I'll let you know but it might be some time before she replies. Mary > I have posted an article to my web site that attempts to answer that > question. The simple answer is "Yes, with care and support", but > please read the full article . . . Well, I never thought my attempt at helping people would cause so much trouble. Amongst all of the flames, there was some very useful feedback and I have slightly altered my article to emphasise the fact that I was referring to someone with an uncontrolled condition (admittedly not clear from the subject of my original post, but made clear in the article itslf). My experience is that there are many more people worried that their epilepsy means they cannot live life to the full, than those who have the confidence to do their own thing. It was that group who the post was aimed at. In my own case, if I did not have a vigilent and supportive family I would injure myself every few days. Going on an exotic holiday, and other things I have done such as a balloon flight and speaking about epilepsy on television, took the care and support I mentioned in my original post. I hope some of you enjoyed the article. My thanks go to those whose criticism helped me see my writing through the eyes of others. Julie http://www.livingwithepilepsy.org.uk Thanks for staying around. I did a post somewhere in the middle of that exchange. The stuff they started arguing about had *Nothing to do with your post, but got started with something someone posted on the same message (sort) thread, rather than starting a separate message title. Then 3-5 others joined in and it got further off subject, unrelated to living with Seizures, and off-subject more from there. I'm sorry that happened, it happens from time to time, but not usually with a 'Newbie'.. Hopefully they'll be a little more supportive and friendly like 90% of the Regulars who aren't all active at the moment. Some might be travelling (too!), and rest might be doing Federal Taxes ! :-o Too, so entering the Depression part of Springtime. And besides, now that you're still posting, you're not a Newbie anymore!! Some of the Regulars are currently 'up' on my threads, and a couple--> Julie Walton - Idaho USA and Howdy Dave (USA, Canada, on the road, bachelor on the loose) who have their own (separate) Websites, if you haven't seen them yet, should be back around this week or next. If you don't see an older post that has their www addresses at the end, Bob? and I did a couple of posts about 1-3 weeks ago that listed ~5 sites, including theirs. I like 2 of the Charts on Julie's site that have easy to follow First Aid for Seizures (general chart for all the main seizure types), and a New one that has First Aid in Water (for those who swim or stand too close the side of the Deck). We had one or two people in the UK posting before, we have 1 or 2 in Australia, a Bunch in the U.S.A. or Canada across 5+ timezones, and some occasional ones in Europe. Our Main Doctor (when he has time) is Dr. Bob, who hasn't posted for TOO long. I hope he hasn't Left !! He kept us from getting too far astray a few times wrt Medications, when to see a Doctor about side effects, etc. Really helpful stuff. (I hope he SEES THIS!! :-> ) Please stay around, too. We all benefit from each others experiences and input. We need all the Fresh Input and participation we can encourage. This is one case where More is Better. G.R. > > I have posted an article to my web site that attempts to answer that > > question. The simple answer is "Yes, with care and support", but [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Julie > http://www.livingwithepilepsy.org.uk > <snip> > Julie Walton - Idaho USA and Howdy Dave (USA, Canada, on the road, > bachelor on the loose) who have their own (separate) Websites, Julie Dennison's website: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/ has a pointer to Howdy Dave's VNS page at: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/advice/index.htm It looks like Dave has taken that site down though. > if you > haven't seen them yet, should be back around this week or next. If you > don't see an older post that has their www addresses at the end, Bob? and I > did a couple of posts about 1-3 weeks ago that listed ~5 sites, including > theirs. Sure thing! Here's they are: http://www.howdydave.com/ http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/ http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/ This one is very good! http://www.epilepsy.com/ Bob |
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