Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion Groups
General
GeneralCardiologyVisionDentistryPharmacyLaboratoryNutritionAlternative
Diseases and Disorders
AIDSAlzheimer'sArthritisAsthmaCancerBreast CancerDiabetesEpilepsyGlaucomaHepatitisHerpesLupusProstate BPHProstate CancerProstatitisSinusitisTinnitus

Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / April 2004

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

WALL STREET JOURNAL-MAY 17,1994

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
doe - 12 Apr 2004 14:24 GMT
WALL STREET JOURNAL-MAY 17,1994

Since 1983, researchers have warned us to avoid supplements that contain iron
may be a primary cause of free radical induced degenerative disease.
In a study in the March 29,1994 issue of the Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences, Japanese researchers found that iron caused tubular
necrosis (kidney damage), leading to a high incidence of renal adenocarcinoma
(kidney cancer).
This is not an isolated study - just another of the multitude of studies
showing that iron is a cause of the diseases that kill us.
The FDA requires that food companies fortify many products with iron, which
causes most Americans to get too much iron from their diet.
Other toxic metals to avoid are germanium (causes kidney damage) and for some
people, copper (too much can cause excessive free radical activity).

Who loves ya.
Tom
Signature

Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

gaross - 14 Apr 2004 02:39 GMT
 I didn't realize that Epilepsy was a 'Disease'. When did that happen?
G.

> WALL STREET JOURNAL-MAY 17,1994
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> This is not an isolated study - just another of the multitude of studies
> showing that iron is a cause of the diseases that kill us.
***************************************************************

> The FDA requires that food companies fortify many products with iron, which
> causes most Americans to get too much iron from their diet.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking
Bob - 14 Apr 2004 03:02 GMT
>   I didn't realize that Epilepsy was a 'Disease'. When did that happen?
> G.

Certainly! A disease is more than the flu or a virus or bacterial infection.
See:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=disease

dis·ease
1.A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting
from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental
stress, and characterized by an  identifiable group of signs or symptoms.

etc.

> > WALL STREET JOURNAL-MAY 17,1994
> >
> > Since 1983, researchers have warned us to avoid supplements that contain
> iron
> > may be a primary cause of free radical induced degenerative disease.<snip>
Klenow - 14 Apr 2004 07:49 GMT
I've come across this sort of discussion before.  I've just visited four
epilepsy support web sites and each has specifically stated that epilepsy is
NOT a disease but is a disorder.  The neurologists and scientists in our
epilepsy research group also don't describe epilepsy as a disease and this
was stressed in the epilepsy section of the neuropharmacology class I helped
teach last year.  I suppose the confusion might arise out of different
definitions people are using for disease but I think they were making the
distinction that a disease can cause epilepsy as a symptom but the epilepsy
itself is not a disease.  Maybe the term disorder carries a less negative
connotation than disease and that's why they're making this distinction.

> >   I didn't realize that Epilepsy was a 'Disease'. When did that happen?
> > G.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> > iron
> > > may be a primary cause of free radical induced degenerative disease.<snip>
Bob - 14 Apr 2004 18:19 GMT
> I've come across this sort of discussion before.  I've just visited four
> epilepsy support web sites and each has specifically stated that epilepsy is
> NOT a disease but is a disorder.

If that's the way they stated it, then the website authors need to buy
themselves a dictionary and use it.

> The neurologists and scientists in our
> epilepsy research group also don't describe epilepsy as a disease and this
> was stressed in the epilepsy section of the neuropharmacology class I helped
> teach last year.

See above.

> I suppose the confusion might arise out of different
> definitions people are using for disease

There is precedent for words having different meanings in different professions
(an example escapes this poor memory at the moment), but the unqualified word
"disease" is too common to be used that way.

> but I think they were making the
> distinction that a disease can cause epilepsy as a symptom but the epilepsy
> itself is not a disease.

Perhaps they mean "infectious disease" and should say so if that's what they
mean.

> Maybe the term disorder carries a less negative
> connotation than disease and that's why they're making this distinction.

That's called "denial" and they can't change definitions anyhow.

Bob

> > >   I didn't realize that Epilepsy was a 'Disease'. When did that happen?
> > > G.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> > > > may be a primary cause of free radical induced degenerative
> disease.<snip>
Klenow - 15 Apr 2004 08:23 GMT
Well, after looking through quite a few medical dictionaries epilepsy is
almost universally described as a disorder and not a disease.  I've come to
realize that many dictionaries leave a lot to be desired with respect to
their definitions but some were quite specific.  A disorder can be caused by
a disease or by things that aren't a disease like traumatic brain injury or
poisoning.  Therefore, it seems to me that epilepsy is much better described
as a disorder which can be caused by many things with disease being one of
them.  That is, epilepsy is the symptom of the cause (disease, injury etc.).
Actually, I'm glad I finally looked into this.  As I said, I hear this
distinction made at lease twice a year but never bothered to find out what
it meant.

> > I've come across this sort of discussion before.  I've just visited four
> > epilepsy support web sites and each has specifically stated that epilepsy is
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
> > > > > may be a primary cause of free radical induced degenerative
> > disease.<snip>
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.