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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / March 2004Question regarding seasickness and epileptic seazures
Hello, Does someone know if 16 hours on a boat on the Northsea (minicruise) can cause epileptic seazures? Thank you. Best regards, Marco The Netherlands Ummmmmm, I've never spent 16 hours on the Northsea minicruise. Or any cruise for that matter :-( But I have spent a bit of time in smaller boats (fishing for 12 hours at a time, etc). I've never found this to cause seizures, though I have an awful lot of seizures and it doesn't surprise me when I do have one on a boat. (I've also had them swimming, scuba diving, driving....haven't had them skydiving yet) (I still swim and scuba dive and skydive - no longer stupid enough to drive with epilepsy) Are you referring to seizures being triggered in someone with epilepsy, or in someone with no history of seizures? Darryl. -- To reply, change daryl to darryl in address. "It's all fun and games till someone loses an eye" Quote: My Mum > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Marco > The Netherlands > Ummmmmm, I've never spent 16 hours on the Northsea minicruise. > Or any cruise for that matter :-( [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Darryl. I went on this minicruise event with my company and I then got a grand mall the next morning when I went shopping in New Castle (UK) :-( I had small seizures when I was 2 months and was able to quit anti epileptics completely when I was 3 years old. Then the small seizures started again around ten years old and again I was able to quit medicins completely when I was 13 years old. Now I am 29 years old and it came back again because of this boat trip. This time it was the grand mall in stead of the petit mall. I have to admit that the first night, I had loads of fun with a couple of beers and before I started sleeping on that boat, it was nearly five o 'clock in the morning. I should have known better but 19 years no seizures means that you do not start worrying all the time. I will never get on such minicruise but I have to admit, the first day and night were pretty cool :-) > I went on this minicruise event with my company and I then got a grand mall > the next morning when I went shopping in New Castle (UK) :-( I had small [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I will never get on such minicruise but I have to admit, the first day and > night were pretty cool :-) Your original question was: "Does someone know if 16 hours on a boat on the Northsea (minicruise) can cause epileptic seazures?" I doubt that the 16 hours on the boat had anything to do with causing your seizures, but you did some other things that are known triggers for seizures. A "couple" [how many was that really? :-) ] pints of beer (alcohol) is one known trigger and loss of sleep is another. Feel free to go on a cruise. Just avoid the beer & get a good night's sleep. Bob > Your original question was: "Does someone know if 16 hours on a boat on the > Northsea (minicruise) can cause epileptic seazures?" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bob Thank you Bob. Yes, you are right. I should have known better because I knew what these triggers are. But I have been drinking since I was 15 years old, I have been to discos and came back at home at 6 o'clock in the morning and I never thought about epileptic seizures (I should be ashamed for that -I know, but when you are ten years old with not such a big seizures, then you simply do not realize that a big one can hit you as well). I think it is all together -I forgot to tell that I had to arrange this boat trip for my company as well (not much, but it was stressy I have to admit). Conclusion is that I should have known better. Hopefully my EEG will be OK when I go to the neurologist in April. The fact that you had a seizure during a cruise could have 'just' been a coincidence, or as Bob wrote caused by other triggers, like alcohol (and lack of sleep?). Not that it has much to do with epilepsy or seizures, but when I was around ten or eleven I became convinced that I was allergic to strawberries. Why? Because I'd eaten a good deal of strawberries, became sick and tossed my cookies all night. What I really had was the flu... The fact is, that when different things happen, we connect them and come to the conclusion that seems most obvious. My advice would be (and please know that I'm /not/ a doctor); if you really want to go on the cruise, DO IT! Don't let your seizure disorder prevent you from having a good time (and to repeat Bob again; be careful of triggers like alcohol and lack of sleep). - Charlie > > Ummmmmm, I've never spent 16 hours on the Northsea minicruise. > > Or any cruise for that matter :-( [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I will never get on such minicruise but I have to admit, the first day and > night were pretty cool :-) Marco, As the others have stated, there are a number of things that trigger seizures and I doubt that going on a cruise is one of them. But I agree with the others that alcohol consumption and lack of sleep are definite triggers in most cases. Have you had any more seizures since the cruise? One way of looking at the causes of seizures, is that anything which affects your brain's normal functioning - like lack of sleep, alcohol, stress, caffeine, etc, are often causes. It might be a good idea for you to keep a list of things which you have been doing prior to a seizure occurring, to look back on and see what common elements there are in each case, so you may be able to find what the triggers are, to avoid them in future. But I'm pretty sure the trip on the boat was not one of them, though other things which occurred during or after the trip may have been. For a list of possible seizure triggers, Howdy Dave and Julie have websites that they may like to direct you to, to have a look at. Cheers Darryl. -- To reply, change daryl to darryl in address. "It's all fun and games till someone loses an eye" Quote: My Mum > The fact that you had a seizure during a cruise could have 'just' been a > coincidence, or as Bob wrote caused by other triggers, like alcohol (and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > I will never get on such minicruise but I have to admit, the first day and > > night were pretty cool :-) > Marco, > As the others have stated, there are a number of things that trigger > seizures and I doubt that going on a cruise is one of them. But I agree with > the others that alcohol consumption and lack of sleep are definite triggers > in most cases. > Have you had any more seizures since the cruise? No, it only happened when I went shopping in New Castle centre which is in the UK (I am from The Netherlands). > One way of looking at the causes of seizures, is that anything which affects > your brain's normal functioning - like lack of sleep, alcohol, stress, > caffeine, etc, are often causes. It happened 10 minutes "after" I had a huge cup of coffee in a Italian coffee bar. Damn, is caffeine a trigger as well? I usually drink loads of coffee during a day! That is something I did not know. It is good to keep monitoring that as well and indeed generate a list of things I should monitor as part of my prevention plan -thx! Good catch and I know that in my case, coffee is not the "real" trigger -otherwise I would have had seizures ages ago. > It might be a good idea for you to keep a list of things which you have been > doing prior to a seizure occurring, to look back on and see what common > elements there are in each case, so you may be able to find what the > triggers are, to avoid them in future. Probably the alcohol and lack of sleep and stress of organizing the boat trip -most likely the last trigger was that cup of coffee? > But I'm pretty sure the trip on the boat was not one of them, though other > things which occurred during or after the trip may have been. > For a list of possible seizure triggers, Howdy Dave and Julie have websites > that they may like to direct you to, to have a look at. Thanks -I will certainly have a look at their websites. > It happened 10 minutes "after" I had a huge cup of coffee in a Italian > coffee bar. Damn, is caffeine a trigger as well? I usually drink loads of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > case, coffee is not the "real" trigger -otherwise I would have had seizures > ages ago. Coffee doesn't seem to be a trigger for a lot of people. There have been a number of past discussions in this newsgroup about drinking coffee and there are some pretty heavy coffee drinkers here. Those here, including myself, who drink a lot of coffee, seem to have no ill effects from the coffee itself. Bob >Coffee doesn't seem to be a trigger for a lot of people. There have been a >number of past discussions in this newsgroup about drinking coffee and there are >some pretty heavy coffee drinkers here. Those here, including myself, who drink >a lot of coffee, seem to have no ill effects from the coffee itself. > >Bob It's only to counteract the slothful effects of the meds. I forgot to them yesterday and got so many things done which would normally take two or three weekends.  SignatureMalcolm >>Coffee doesn't seem to be a trigger for a lot of people. > >It's only to counteract the slothful effects of the meds. I forgot to... take? administer? ;-) >them yesterday... SignatureMatSav Even though you may be used to drinking coffee, if you had an amount larger than usual AND you were fatigued, stressed, etc., it could have been the "straw that broke the camel's back". > > Marco, > > As the others have stated, there are a number of things that trigger [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Thanks -I will certainly have a look at their websites. > Even though you may be used to drinking coffee, if you had an amount larger > than usual AND you were fatigued, stressed, etc., it could have been the > "straw that broke the camel's back". That is probably the case yeah. I read your "Dilemma" posting, you do not seem to have much luck right now and I am really sorry to learn you lost your job. Thank you for responding by the way. > The fact that you had a seizure during a cruise could have 'just' been a > coincidence, or as Bob wrote caused by other triggers, like alcohol (and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - Charlie Thank you Clarlie. Bob is right about this -I have to be careful of triggers like alcohol and lack of sleep then it hopefully won't happen again. Howdy Marco! Seizures came back BECAUSE of the cruise or AT THE TIME of your cruise? They aren't necessarily the same thing! (Maybe it was because of the cruise, maybe it wasn't.) Lots of people leap at the assumption of cause & effect when it is mearly a case of coincidence. Gotta' be careful with that sort of faulty logic. BTW: Are we talking about just one seizure? If we can say for a fact that you had one seizure because of a cruise, then we are not talking about an EPILEPTIC seizure. Epileptic seizures are in no way shape or form tracable to outside causes such as fever, malaria, motion sickness, or anything of the like. SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > I went on this minicruise event with my company and I then got a grand mall > the next morning when I went shopping in New Castle (UK) :-( I had small [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I will never get on such minicruise but I have to admit, the first day and > night were pretty cool :-) > Howdy Marco! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > or > AT THE TIME of your cruise? After the cruise, but I already learned thanks to this newsgroup that I had a bunch of triggers during that cruise which caused this epileptic seizure the next day. > They aren't necessarily the same thing! > (Maybe it was because of the cruise, maybe it wasn't.) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > BTW: Are we talking about just one seizure? Yes, the big one I am affraid :-( > If we can say for a fact that you had one seizure because of a cruise, then > we are not talking about an EPILEPTIC seizure. > > Epileptic seizures are in no way shape or form tracable to outside causes > such as fever, malaria, motion sickness, or anything of the like. Okay, that is something I did not know as well. Thx all! > > Howdy Marco! > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Okay, that is something I did not know as well. I think Dave said that because he may have missed the part where you said you had seizures up to age 13 and thought this was an isolated incident. It's true that people with no history of epilepsy can have a seizure due to other causes and would not really have epilepsy. In other cases such as yours & mine, epileptic seizures can return after being gone for a number of years. Bob
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