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Bad day tomorrow-anniversary of kid's TBI

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BuZzY - 10 Mar 2004 06:10 GMT
Hello-

I have posted here before, and received many warm responses and sensible
advice, so I’m insinuating myself again--tomorrow is the eighth
anniversary of my son’s traumatic brain injury that left him with a
seizure disorder.  On this occasion, I usually do a little damage to my
own brain with a lot of good scotch, but I want to skip that from now on.

John is now twenty and his prospects are as yet bleak, but I really have
confidence that he can change.  He tried a semester of college last fall
and it was a disaster: the crazed dorm life and heat (south Texas) and
the acquired learning disabilities were just insurmountable.  He
currently takes 2000 mg of Depakote (finally weaned off Dilantin) and as
long as his dosage is reliable and regular, he is seizure-free.  At
college, we are certain there were big inconsistencies in his dosage; he
suffered three neuromotor seizures, one of which required a trip to the
hospital.

Learning that John has become dependent on Depakote makes me very sad--I
wish there was another way.  Now, the guy is at home, sleeping about
12-14 hours daily, up at weird hours; nearly completely sedentary.  He
wants to get a job, and we are trying to guide him through a couple or
three job applications, but he has to be seizure-free and able to work a
full day--currently, he cannot do it.  His short-term memory is just
awful, due to the big knock his frontal lobe suffered (among other
areas).  The “executive decision” area of the frontal lobe [so says the
neuroligist] leaves him virtually unable to initiate a task
(well...nothin' that he doesn’t want to do...). He’s a big fellow but
not tough; I don’t think he can coexist with other rough ‘n’ tough guys
his age.  I remember how it was as a kid on the docks in Galveston: you
don’t show weakness or a submissive attitude.  He is basically a loner,
his “friends” having all abandoned him over the years and is exceedingly
clumsy meeting people.

BUT-------he has a lot to offer, he’s smart (formerly a 4.0 student),
witty, can draw and write well, digs “classical” music and loves his
family.  Pretty good looking except for some persistent facial tics that
are hard to ignore.  Damn---it’s so unfair.  I have suspected for years
that he has become comfortably “institutionalized” after we brought him
back from near death--any kid is going to allow people to care for him
and do as little as possible (i would have!).  I have to summon the
courage to push this guy out of this dark nest.

Anyone here been in this situation-?  Any advice-?  How do I try
“tough-love” with this boy without being cruel-?

I often think of a woman I saw about thirty years ago--a
quadriplegic--who painted postcards with a brush in her mouth.  I had
forgotten about her until I had a challenged kid of my own.  By
comparison, it ain’t so bad.

I thank you all for the dry shoulder.

Buzz,

N Texas
Julie - 10 Mar 2004 23:59 GMT
Hello Buzz, I think you found part of your answer at the end of your post.
Think of how people who have insurmountable obstacles in their life have
found a way to cope.  The quadriplegic who painted post cards.  Your son
might start out by finding a way to help others.  This will give him
confidence and add to his resume.  Does he like the elderly?  Could he use
some of his talents and skills in visiting the elderly?

He needs to find something to be passionate about.  I think that a witty guy
who draws and writes well and likes classical music would be a wonderful
asset to any community.

Have you been in touch with your local Epilepsy Foundation?

Take care,
Julie, Volunteer Webmaster
Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org

> Hello-
>
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> N Texas
BuZzY - 12 Mar 2004 00:33 GMT
Julie,

Thanks for this advice.

I visited the local chapter of the Epilepsy Foundation this afternoon
and spoke with a helpful lady who gave me some leads, among them a guy
who's a TBI survivor and seizure patient. He's employed by the
Foundation to assist in finding work for their clients--now, I have to
get the kid interested, too--I took home a stack of pamphlets. Now comes
the ticklish part.

Thanks again,
Buzzy

> Julie wrote:

> Have you been in touch with your local Epilepsy Foundation?
>
> Take care,
> Julie, Volunteer Webmaster
> Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho
> http://www.epilepsyidaho.org
Julie - 12 Mar 2004 07:42 GMT
Hi Buzzy, you are very welcome.  I hope your son will find it in himself to
be motivated to lead a productive and happy life.

Sometimes people get down because of their circumstances and they can't find
their way out.  I've been working with my mother's doctor to help my mother
with her dementia and obsessive compulsive disorder.  One of the things that
was a big problem was the way she viewed life.  She was very negative and
paranoid.  The doctor increased one of her prescriptions and she is staying
with me for part of this month.  I have made a special effort to spend most
of my time with her.  I bought some games and she has been playing yahtzee
with me.  What a change to see her smiling and laughing and getting excited
when she rolls the dice.  Today I took her to the historical museum.  She
still has dementia and still picks skin off her hand, but I do see some
progress and I think, life is good for her, in her circumstance.  It is nice
to see her with a glint of joy in her eyes.

Take care,
Julie

> Julie,
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> > Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho
> > http://www.epilepsyidaho.org
CyberCafe - 13 Mar 2004 23:20 GMT
> Hello-
>
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> seizure disorder.  On this occasion, I usually do a little damage to my
> own brain with a lot of good scotch, but I want to skip that from now on.

Yeah, like what did Cher say in the movie, Moonstruck.  "Snap out of it!"

> John is now twenty and his prospects are as yet bleak, but I really have
> confidence that he can change.

What do you expect him to change?

> He tried a semester of college last fall
> and it was a disaster: the crazed dorm life and heat (south Texas) and
> the acquired learning disabilities were just insurmountable.  He
> currently takes 2000 mg of Depakote (finally weaned off Dilantin) and as
> long as his dosage is reliable and regular, he is seizure-free.

> At
> college, we are certain there were big inconsistencies in his dosage; he
> suffered three neuromotor seizures, one of which required a trip to the
> hospital.

Alhtough I suspect you are right, you really can't assume he wasn't taking
his meds.  I mean, this can happen to anyone even if they are religous about
taking their meds.

> Learning that John has become dependent on Depakote makes me very sad--I
> wish there was another way.  Now, the guy is at home, sleeping about
> 12-14 hours daily, up at weird hours; nearly completely sedentary.

The cause of his excessive sleeping needs to be examined.  The things that
jump to mind right now are depression, seizure activity, diabetes and so on.
Depression doesn't necessarily make you feel like killing yourself or feeling
excessively sad, but it can influence a person's ability to function, make
decisions, remember things, and so on.  I know people get tired of me
bringing up depression, but I know that with the type of seizure disorder I
have depression has a much, much higher frequency than the average public.

> He
> wants to get a job, and we are trying to guide him through a couple or
> three job applications, but he has to be seizure-free and able to work a
> full day--currently, he cannot do it.

Is that through a sheltered employment situation or service?

>  His short-term memory is just
> awful, due to the big knock his frontal lobe suffered (among other
> areas).

Oh, really?  Join the crowd!  Sorry, about that.  Am feeling pretty sassy
today.  Memory problems are pretty common, but they might also be worsened by
depression and many other things.

> The “executive decision” area of the frontal lobe [so says the
> neuroligist] leaves him virtually unable to initiate a task
> (well...nothin' that he doesn’t want to do...).

You are jumping to an assumption that may not be right (referring to:
well...nothin' that he doesn’t want to do...).  The whole thing with memory,
recall, and other mental activities is very tricky and strange.  For myself,
I have a terrible time remembering or recalling things I hear or things I do
but can remember things I read much better.  I also can recall things,
events, if I see a picture of it.  The thing is you don't know what you'll
forget, how long you'll remember it, and so on.  For example, I could recall
my daughter's graduation for a few days and then the whole event vanished
from my brain; strange.  Mostly this is his problem, but I think other people
can unintentionally make the matter worse.  When my hubby verbally gives me a
list of things to do, I have to tell him to write it down, and then he has to
leave the note in a consistent place because otherwise I might not remember
where he told me he put the note.  Another thing is he MAY NOT be remembering
his own tasks that he set for himself.  You wouldn't know that and he might
not even know that.

> He’s a big fellow but
> not tough; I don’t think he can coexist with other rough ‘n’ tough guys
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> Anyone here been in this situation-?  Any advice-?  How do I try
> “tough-love” with this boy without being cruel-?

You know, for some reason I am getting the impression that you are not
dealing with your son's situation emotionally and mentally from a few things
you said in your message.  For a number of years I worked as a staff member
in a sheltered workshop for developmentally disabled adults (also some
contracted services for infant to kindergarten).  It seems like the parents,
family, friends were more emotionally adjusted if the the client's disability
started from birth or a very young age.  For some reason it seems that those
people who suffered disabilities later in life just had more problems, or I
should say that their family and friends had more problems.  If someone was
going to be kicked out of a family living situation, it was most likely one
of these people with the late onset disability.

It might be a good idea for you to look at maybe taking a class on human
development because the course goes through the different phases of a
person's life and examines the developmental tasks and goals for a particular
age.  Your son's maturation is kind of haywire because of his disability, and
I don't think that helps him or you.  A human development course was required
at the college I went to and, boy, it helped me understand myself, my
children, my parents, and others a little better.  This is the type of course
where you will use the things you learned for the rest of your life.

Barb

> I often think of a woman I saw about thirty years ago--a
> quadriplegic--who painted postcards with a brush in her mouth.  I had
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> N Texas
Julie - 15 Mar 2004 20:15 GMT
> <SNIP>
> >  His short-term memory is just
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> today.  Memory problems are pretty common, but they might also be worsened by
> depression and many other things.

<snip>

Just thought I would share a little levity in here.  I took my mother to an eye
ear nose and throat doctor.   We all knew there probably wasn't much he could do
to improve her situation (she's 84, has dementia, and very extreme loss of
hearing - wears digital hearing aids) but because someone from her church
recommended this doctor she was on a rampage to make sure she got to see him.

So we got to the doctor and in addition to an audiology test he sits down with
her and discusses her situation.  I'm sitting in the room taking notes.  He asks
her to remember three words and then goes on with the discussion.  At the end of
the discussion he asks her if she can remember the three words.  She could
remember one of the words.  I had to laugh because I WAS TAKING NOTES AND I
couldn't remember any of the words!  He told me not to worry about it I had other
things to think about, but I knew it was my epilepsy, or the AED (drugs for E),
but it made me laugh, I guess that's a good thing.

By the way, I've come to realize that the more I can laugh, the better I feel
especially when I am feeling stress because of my mother's situation.

Take care,
Julie
jedi and son - 17 Mar 2004 17:20 GMT
> Just thought I would share a little levity in here.  I took my mother to an eye
> ear nose and throat doctor.   We all knew there probably wasn't much he could do
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> Take care,
> Julie

Ok Julie, I'm kinda giggling here thinking on how you could not remember the
words yet you remembered the entire situation vividly enough to paint a very
clear picture with words here in the newsgroup.  I guess it just goes to
show that certain types of memory are affected differently perhaps?
Laughter and joy are a gift of immense value!  God Bless you and your Mom.

Jedi and Son
BuZzY - 20 Mar 2004 19:57 GMT
Hello and thanks to all who shared their thoughts.  I liked the
suggestion that caregivers could benefit from human development courses.
 I readily admit that I need more eductation and intend to make it an
ongoing goal.

My wife, son and I have an appointment with a job counselor at the
Epilepsy Foundation Monday; he's a TBI survivor as well and we are
anxious to get his observations and suggestions.  Also, my wife (a
veteran special ed. teacher, ironically) and John visited a campus of
our community college system Wednesday and spoke with a counselor.  This
campus offers an entire 2-year associates degree plan designed for folks
with brain injuries.  The pupils there range from kids to adults, with
dgrees of severity ranging from mild to debilitating. The soonest he can
enroll is this fall.

I was aware of this program years ago and tried in vain to get my family
to examine it, but my sweet wife felt that the boy would be better
served by trying a semester "away," no matter the outcome. I have always
been impressed with this community college system (I'm a CADD pupil,
nights, at another campus).

What an adventure.  At the age of 52, I find I'm having to use tricks to
keep my mental notes. My favorite is a handheld microcassette recorder;
I simply transcribe all the notes every night. It's sort of liberating;
frees my mind to concentrate on fun stuff. So--I know how it is to be
forgetful-!

Thanks again to everyone here for the thoughts.  You all know how
important it is to belong to a community, and it feels good here among
you.  I only hope I can contribute in return.  At least, I offer a dry
shoulder.

Cheers--Buzzy

>>Just thought I would share a little levity in here.  I took my mother to
>
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>
> Jedi and Son

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