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My Seizure Back Story-Very Long

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Dawn Compton - 15 Feb 2004 05:01 GMT
Whomever Cares:

I have only been having seizures (total or whatever they are called.
the doctor calls them full body) since actually August (correction to
last post when I said Sept).  I am 17 yrs old and will be 18 in May.

I had one in August that I didn't know was one until after the second
one.  I had the second one Sept 9 at school.  The next was a week later.
Then I think I had one in October and one in November.  Then I had six
in one day (one at night before bed, then six early in the morning the
next day before noon).

I have been having the trances (where I stare off and space out for a
few minutes-very shaky and light-headed-seizures trying to occur by what
my neurologist says) since before last January (2003).  I never knew
really what they were until I had the first full seizure.  I never had
them checked out, because I did not think that they were anything to
worry about.  I actually figured that maybe (since I had a few people-an
aunt and an uncle) I had just borderline low blood sugar.  (Not been
proven yet.)  I have had these up to several times per day and spaced
out for a week or two.

After the second full seizure and before the six seizure "marathon" as I
call it, I was recommended to a neurologist by my family doctor.  I have
been through 2 1-hr EEGs, 1 48-hr EEG, an EKG, a CT scan, an MRI, and a
Vestibulator (sp?) test.  The only thing my doctor concluded was that I
had a chemical imbalance in the right side of my brain, but he doesn't
know why the imbalance had occurred now.  I was also told that some
people like me can grow out of the imbalance, but it was doubtful with
me since I had so many seizures in a short span of time.  This was even
before the last six. He originally put me on Dilantin and then added
Keppra in January (2004).  Though I always took it like the doctor
instructed, as you have read, it didn't always work.

After the six seizures, I spent a few days in the hospital.  When I
checked in, after a ton of blood-work, they figured out my DIlantin
level was at a 3.6 (or something like that).  As you all know, it should
be between a 10 and 20.  After increasing all the medication, I was
released when the level hit 15.  I also had to have another 1-hr EEG run
while I was in there.

A few days after I was released, I woke up with extremely blurry vision.
I couldn't pick out very many objects and the only thing I could really
see was color.  I went back to the hospital, but all they concluded to
lower the Keppra and let me have time to get used to the higher mg of
Dilantin.  I did get over the vision problem.

The part that worries me is that I still have the trances ever so often.
The medicine isn't stopping them.  Is it normal for the medicine to just
work sometimes and not work others?  I figured maybe some of you could
tell me.  Is there any information I should know on the medicine from
anyone's personal experience?  Any help/support anyone could give me
would be deeply appreciated.  All of this happening so quickly is very
scary to me.

                                            -Dawn
Mary Fisher - 15 Feb 2004 10:01 GMT
> Whomever Cares:

Here we all care.

> The part that worries me is that I still have the trances ever so often.
> The medicine isn't stopping them.  Is it normal for the medicine to just
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> would be deeply appreciated.  All of this happening so quickly is very
> scary to me.

Epilepsy is very difficult to diagnose exactly, as with other conditions it
has many manifestations according to the individual. We're not equipped to
tell you about your diagnosis, only about out own experiences. They're all
different.

Surprisingly, perhaps, even doctors, even specialists, don't know everything
either. The brain is so very complex and doesn't take kindly to being
interfered with so we can't just open up a head and look at what's going
on - even if it were that easy.

You will learn about your condition by your own experiences. That's not to
say that you won't learn from others, including people here. And we might
learn from yours too.

The main thing I want to say is don't be scared. It's understandable but
you'll learn to live with your condition, the likelihood is that it will be
controlled to some extent.

What's more important on the scary issue is that even if you have to accept
that you're suffering from acute or chronic epilepsy it's not as dangerous
as travelling on the road! Keep a sense of proportion, stick around here and
share your experiences, everyone will benefit. And work at your studies
(that's the Mum and Grandma in me speaking).

Hugs,

Mary

Mary

>                                              -Dawn
Dawn Compton - 16 Feb 2004 04:29 GMT
Mary wrote:

>What's more important on the scary issue is
>that even if you have to accept that you're
>suffering from acute or chronic epilepsy

Actually, I was not diagnosed as epileptic.  I was just told of the
imbalance.

It is so scary to me.  I didn't even know what a seizure was until I had
one.   As far back as my living relatives (the ones I choice to stay in
contact with) can remember, no one other than me suffers from seizures.

> it's not as dangerous as travelling on the
>road!

I do agree with you there.  I am not allowed to drive right now (have to
go 6 months w/o a seizure), but I know from riding with family or the
little experience I have that people drive VERY crazy.

>Keep a sense of proportion, stick around here
>and
>share your experiences, everyone will benefit.

Thats why I decided to post here.  I thought it might help to talk with
other somewhat like me.

>And work at your studies (that's the Mum and
>Grandma in me speaking).

My family tells me that too.  If everything is straightened out with my
condition, I am planning on starting college in the fall.  I was
accepted into my first choice college.  This is one thing I really have
to look forward to.
Klenow - 16 Feb 2004 05:38 GMT
Hi Dawn,

The brain is a very delicate, complicated and magnificent organ and almost
anything you do to it can upset it if strong enough.  An interesting
statistic to keep in mind is that one out of every ten people will have a
seizure at some point in their lives with most not going on to have
epilepsy, and that one out of every 100 people do have epilepsy.  That is,
spontaneous and recurring seizures if not controlled by some kind of
therapy.  Epilepsy is one of the most common brain disorders out there.
There's a very good chance that there are quite a few people in your school
that do have epilepsy and probably have it under control in some fashion.
What I'm saying is that people can live full and active lives in spite of
having seizures, as I'm sure this newsgroup will attest to.  It may take
some clever thinking to find the underlying cause and/or find the right
treatment to control the occurrence of your seizures, which might be why you
haven't been diagnosed with epilepsy yet.

Before I started studying epilepsy and seizures I had never knowingly met
anyone with epilepsy and had never seen a seizure.  Now, I believe that I
must have met quite a few people over the years with epilepsy but just
didn't know it.

> Mary wrote:
>
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> accepted into my first choice college.  This is one thing I really have
> to look forward to.
Mary Fisher - 16 Feb 2004 11:07 GMT
> Before I started studying epilepsy and seizures I had never knowingly met
> anyone with epilepsy and had never seen a seizure.  Now, I believe that I
> must have met quite a few people over the years with epilepsy but just
> didn't know it.

Fifty years ago I went to the church Youth Club twice a week. One of our
members would ocasionally fall to the floor, writing and jerking. We were
told to clear the floor, give him room (we were usually dancing) and that
he'd be OK. He always was OK. I didn't know him well but remember his name -
I don't remember many names from that time unless I was closely involved
with them - so he must have impressed me.

That was my only known contact with seizures until I had mine but I realise
now that it was a privilege to have witnessed it, to see Brian being as
normal as the rest of us at other times and not to have seen people panic
and having foolish reactions. Not everyone is as fortunate as we were and
it's ignorance which breeds fear.

Mary
Mary Fisher - 16 Feb 2004 11:01 GMT
> Mary wrote:
>
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> Actually, I was not diagnosed as epileptic.  I was just told of the
> imbalance.

I know. That's why I said 'even if ... '

> It is so scary to me.  I didn't even know what a seizure was until I had
> one.   As far back as my living relatives (the ones I choice to stay in
> contact with) can remember, no one other than me suffers from seizures.

So you're unique in your circle :-)

> > it's not as dangerous as travelling on the
> >road!
>
> I do agree with you there.  I am not allowed to drive right now (have to
> go 6 months w/o a seizure), but I know from riding with family or the
> little experience I have that people drive VERY crazy.

Yes - and others too ... :-(

> >Keep a sense of proportion, stick around here
> >and
> >share your experiences, everyone will benefit.
>
> Thats why I decided to post here.  I thought it might help to talk with
> other somewhat like me.

And has it?

> >And work at your studies
>
> My family tells me that too.  If everything is straightened out with my
> condition, I am planning on starting college in the fall.  I was
> accepted into my first choice college.  This is one thing I really have
> to look forward to.

Congratulations! But there's no reason not to start even if you aren't
'straightened out' in the meantime. Since you don't know what's going to
happen tomorrow you might as well live as though it's going to be as good as
today.

Mary
Dawn Compton - 21 Feb 2004 03:48 GMT
Mary wrote:

>So you're unique in your circle :-)

Since I have been open about my seizures, I have met one or two who have
them.  They haven't been able to help me much though.  I have learned a
lot more here.

It does suck being the only one in a whole family to have this disorder.
No one knows what they really are or what to do.  I get so frustrated
when people ask me what a seizure is like (my condition has been spread
through my whole school and practically the town).  I can not answer
that question totally, since I am not conscious during the "full" ones.
I have to go by what others tell me has happened.

>And has it?

Posting and chatting with people here has helped me more than anything,
seriously.  At least people here know what I am talking about and can
offer support.  I am treated as sort-of "weird" by a lot of people I
know, since they know little about my condition.  Family and friends are
still being nice and doing what they can, but is not the same as what
people here can do.

>Congratulations! But there's no reason not to
>start even if you aren't 'straightened out' in the
>meantime. Since you don't know what's going
>to happen tomorrow you might as well live as
>though it's going to be as good as today.

I have decided not to start unless things are more under control.  I
won't chance it until then. Plus, if I get worse, who would hire me for
a job or could I even deal with it not knowing what could happen?  Plus,
if it isn't under control by the time school starts, I won't be able to
drive since I have to go at least six months without a seizure.  That
would force me to live on campus, since it wouldn't be fair to expect
people to drive and pick me up at various times every day.  I wouldn't
want to put my burden on my roommate or the people who are in dorms near
us.  I doubt too many could handle my condition, especially when I have
the "full" or "grand mal" seizures.  I wouldn't do that to someone.
Plus when it gets around campus, I will be treated like I am now and I
don't want to go through it.
Daz_n_Pat - 15 Feb 2004 13:11 GMT
> Whomever Cares:
>
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>
>                                              -Dawn

Hi Dawn
Sorry to hear what you've been through. It's not fun, I know.
I've also never been diagnosed with epilepsy, although I've been having
seizures for thirty years now.
Unfortunately there are some who don't get much relief with medication and
it may take some time to juggle the meds around to find the best combination
for you. Over the last 30 years I've tried every combination of every drug
available in my country (New Zealand) but still have up to 15 seizures each
day. This isn't at all to say that this may be the case with you, simply
that it's not easy to find the best combination of medications and not to be
too disheartened if you still find you are having seizures.

Life goes on and it is possible to live a very happy life despite having
epilepsy. It's merely an extra burden we carry with us, but we just need to
be strong and don't let it get the better of us.

At times we feel tempted to sit back and feel a bit sorry for ourselves, but
we have so much that others don't have. Most of the time no one even knows
we have epilepsy and apart from a few safety precautions, there's very
little that we need to change in our lives.

You know what I did when I found that having epilepsy meant I couldn't
drive? I took up sky-diving instead. It's a lot more fun and with all the
safety gear they have (like parachutes that automatically open at a certain
altitude if you haven't already opened it) it's also a lot safer than
driving a car. It was just my way of saying  "Okay, if I can't do that, then
I'm gonna do this instead".

Stick with it Dawn. I know it's not easy trying to get all the meds and such
sorted out, but you will get there and hopefully you'll find a combination
that keeps the seizures away for good.

All the best to you and keep us informed how you're getting on. We all know
what it's like being in your position, which means we all feel for you and
have you in our thoughts.

Cheers,
Darryl.
Chakolate - 15 Feb 2004 18:00 GMT
> At times we feel tempted to sit back and feel a bit sorry for
> ourselves, but we have so much that others don't have. Most of the
> time no one even knows we have epilepsy and apart from a few safety
> precautions, there's very little that we need to change in our lives.

Thank you, Darryl, for your wonderful post.  

I'm reading a.s.e. because a friend has recently had a couple of seizures,
but she's not ready to delve into seizure disorder just yet.  It's believed
that hers are caused by a misfiring thyroid, so she's concentrating on
learning about thyroid just now.  I told her I'd read this group to glean
as much information as I could.  

I've e-mailed her your post, because I think it's wonderful, especially the
part about sky-diving.  Your upbeat attitude will really help her, I think,
because she's pretty down right now.  

Thanks to the whole group!

Chakolate

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right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
 --Dorothy Nevill

Daz_n_Pat - 15 Feb 2004 19:54 GMT
Hi - Dorothy is it? (Or is that the author of the quote?)

I've just calculated that over the past 30 years, since I was eight years
old, I've had over 100,000 (yes one hundred thousand) seizures. Tell your
friend that even though she may be experiencing seizures - which we all know
is not nice at all - it can be lived with and life does go on. We just take
a few precautions and otherwise live as though nothing's wrong. Don't let it
rule your life.

A person with a seizure disorder - (or epilepsy to give it a name) - isn't
an "epileptic". What I mean is, it doesn't define who one is, it's just
something that's not working quite right in an otherwise perfectly normal
person. Just like a person with a broken leg isn't defined by the fact that
they have a broken leg and it isn't WHO they are, so it is with epilepsy. We
needn't be ashamed of having seizures, just as we needn't be of a broken
leg.

Okay, so her brain has had a few sideways farts. Hopefully the docs will be
able to get on top of it and it'll turn out to be a temporary thing. But if
not - well, one can live with a misfiring brain, just like you can with a
broken leg. It's an inconvenience but we learn ways to work around it.

Please give your friend my warmest regards and let her know we're all hoping
for the best for her. We'd love for you to stick around and keep us informed
as to her progress.

All the best.
Darryl.

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> > At times we feel tempted to sit back and feel a bit sorry for
> > ourselves, but we have so much that others don't have. Most of the
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> right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
>   --Dorothy Nevill
Chakolate - 16 Feb 2004 00:37 GMT
> Please give your friend my warmest regards and let her know we're all
> hoping for the best for her. We'd love for you to stick around and
> keep us informed as to her progress.

Thanks - this is a very warm group.  I'm pretty sure she'll be joining you
herself when she feels ready.

Chakolate

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right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
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Dawn Compton - 16 Feb 2004 04:45 GMT
Darryl wrote:

>I've also never been diagnosed with epilepsy,
>although I've been having seizures for thirty
>years now.

I am sorry to hear this.  Wow, that is a long time to deal with this.

>Over the last 30 years I've tried every
>combination of every drug available in my
>country (New Zealand) but still have up to 15
>seizures each day.

That has to suck.  I am from the USA, just in case you wonder.  Are all
of yours total seizures or more like what my neurologist calls
trances-mine seizures?

>It's merely an extra burden we carry with us,
>but we just need to be strong and don't let it
>get the better of us.

It feels like a very big burden to me.  I have been very depressed since
the first seizure and even more so when I was told I had a little chance
of growing out of them.

>Most of the time no one even knows we have
>epilepsy and apart from a few safety
>precautions, there's very little that we need to
>change in our lives.

After the one I had at school, in just a few days, everyone knew.  It
seems like I can't go anywhere where no one knows my condition.
Somehow, it has even been spread to the college I am planning on
attending next fall, since the staff there knows and I know my family
nor I had told them yet.

>You know what I did when I found that having
>epilepsy meant I couldn't drive? I took up
>sky-diving instead.

You are not allowed to drive?  My doctor/neurolofist keeps telling me if
I could ever get to the point where medication is completely effective
and I go six months without having another one, I will be allowed to
drive again.  I keep thinking I will never get to that poing, but I am
trying to maintain hope, though it is tough.  I could never do
skydiving.  I am terribly afraid of heights.
Mary Fisher - 16 Feb 2004 11:25 GMT
Darryl wrote:

>I've also never been diagnosed with epilepsy,
>although I've been having seizures for thirty
>years now.

I am sorry to hear this.  Wow, that is a long time to deal with this.

       I believe that most people don't 'grow out of it'. It's not so much
dealing with it but living with it.

       Dawn, it's not the end of the world! It's not the end of YOUR world
either.

       There are worse things. You might have been in an accident andfor
instance, lost both your legs. There are worse conditions than having
seizures. You get on with things as soon as the initial trauma is over.

>It's merely an extra burden we carry with us,
>but we just need to be strong and don't let it
>get the better of us.

       Quite.

It feels like a very big burden to me.  I have been very depressed since
the first seizure and even more so when I was told I had a little chance
of growing out of them.

       That's understandable but you're an intelligent girl and you WILL
learn to accept that you're not perfect (none of us is) and that your
imperfection takes the form of seizures. So what?

>Most of the time no one even knows we have
>epilepsy and apart from a few safety
>precautions, there's very little that we need to
>change in our lives.

After the one I had at school, in just a few days, everyone knew.  It
seems like I can't go anywhere where no one knows my condition.
Somehow, it has even been spread to the college I am planning on
attending next fall, since the staff there knows and I know my family
nor I had told them yet.

       Well, this is an opportunity for you to give them the positive
experience of your leading an otherwise normal life - perhaps even exceeding
their achievements in other spheres. It doesn't have to be sky diving! It's
only by people coming into contact with people who aren't like themselves
that they can understand what's going on in the world. Just because people
know about your seizures doesn't mean that they think any less of you - they
might even admire you.

>You know what I did when I found that having
>epilepsy meant I couldn't drive? I took up
>sky-diving instead.

You are not allowed to drive?  My doctor/neurolofist keeps telling me if
I could ever get to the point where medication is completely effective
and I go six months without having another one, I will be allowed to
drive again.  I keep thinking I will never get to that poing, but I am
trying to maintain hope, though it is tough.  I could never do
skydiving.  I am terribly afraid of heights.

       So am I. I get vertigo standing on the pattern on the carpet.

       Well of course that's pure hyperbole! But I was fifty before I went
in an aeroplane. Spent my birthday on board, the champagne helped make the
occasion memorable. And I had to go for two years before I could drive (in
England). Being grounded was the very worst part of my condition, far worse
than the craniotomy I had, far worse than the horrid medication which turned
me into a temporary zombie. But oh, the joy the first time I got behind the
wheel again! It was as though the intervening time hadn't happened :-)

         We in this ng are all behind you, Dawn. We understand about life
with seizures. Our opinions should count for more than those who don't. You
can spread the word in your circle of friends!

       Stay with us and keep us in touch with your progress.

       Hugs,

       Mary
Daz_n_Pat - 17 Feb 2004 21:50 GMT
> >You know what I did when I found that having
> >epilepsy meant I couldn't drive? I took up
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>
>         Mary

No, I'm not allowed to drive since I have CP seizures every day. I'm not
sure how long I need to go here in New Zealand seizure free before I can get
my license back, but I'm pretty sure it's longer than one day  :-)
I used to drive...when first I went for my license they didn't ask if I have
epilepsy, so I didn't tell them. Dumb thing to do. Whenever I had a seizure
I always had at least 20 seconds (and up to half hour) warning aura before,
so I was able to pull over and stop. But I didn't allow for the fact that
epilepsy has a mind of it's own and changes without giving notice.
So one day I was driving along and a seizure hit with no warning at all and
I left the road and hit a pedestrian. He's now dead as he couldn't live with
the injuries sustained in the accident and killed himself. That's not easy
to live with when you're the one who caused it.
That's why I get very upset when I see people say that they drive a car even
though they have seizures, because they feel they have enough control to be
able to avoid that happening to them. We have to remember that no one has
control of their seizures. They change as and when they feel like it.

Darryl.
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Mary Fisher - 17 Feb 2004 21:56 GMT
> No, I'm not allowed to drive since I have CP seizures every day. I'm not
> sure how long I need to go here in New Zealand seizure free before I can get
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> the injuries sustained in the accident and killed himself. That's not easy
> to live with when you're the one who caused it.

That's awful, Darryl, I'm so sorry ...

> That's why I get very upset when I see people say that they drive a car even
> though they have seizures, because they feel they have enough control to be
> able to avoid that happening to them. We have to remember that no one has
> control of their seizures. They change as and when they feel like it.

You're absolutely right.

Hugs,

Mary

> Darryl.
> --
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David Ruether - 19 Feb 2004 23:16 GMT
> No, I'm not allowed to drive since I have CP seizures every day. I'm not
> sure how long I need to go here in New Zealand seizure free before I can get
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>
> Darryl.

Thanks for this post - it was very difficult to read...
I've had brief minor "jerks-'n'-jitters" occasionally
for 30 years, and never thought much of them.
I was (and am) always conscious, and was able
to control a car (or do most anything else) while
having them. About four months ago, they got
much worse in terms of frequency, and other
forms were added (sudden "limp" episodes, and
difficulty moving "cleanly"). Soon after, I stopped
driving completely (about 3+ months ago), and
from what you've said, I guess it is possible I may
eventually have an unconscious event (ugh!).
As for changes, the moving-"cleanly" stuff has
reduced, but speech problems have recently
become much worse, as have the "jitters".
Dunno where to go from here....
Good luck!
--
DR
David Ruether - 15 Feb 2004 15:21 GMT
> Whomever Cares:
>
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>
>                                              -Dawn

"MF's" and "D_n_P's" posts were wonderful for me, too. Thanks!
I've had "jerks-'n'-jitters" in moderate amounts for 30 years, but since
they were not much of a problem, I didn't seek help (I just lived
with them, since they never caused me to be unconscious and I always
had some control [driving was not a problem]). At times of VERY high
stress, I would rapidly lose muscle-strength and have difficulty moving
for a few hours, but this happened very rarely. All this changed about
four months ago, with multiple episodes of "j-'n'-j" a day [with five
episodes of major all-over jerking one morning last week]  + "limps"
as many as a dozen times a day + "freezes" (not common) + (in the
last month) serious speech problems (babbling unintended nonsense,
losing the ability to form words - with sentences dissolving into
nonsense until I can figure out how to say any word at all [this has
been the hardest to take of all this "nonsense"!]) - and all this happens
daily (I can't be outside alone, or drive, and I can do little since my
concentration ability is often low). Even so, I was not depressed until
on Topamax at very low dosage (unusual response - and getting off it
was not "fun"...), and I have no solid diagnosis, leaving me in an
awkward "limbo" in terms of work, income, life, prognosis, etc.
Even so, I enjoy seeing things, sometimes hearing music (when I can
concentrate enough to listen), the taste of food  - and these things
seem a bit heightened in intensity during the many "episodes" during
most of which I can still go out, walk, eat in restaurants (so I look
and sound like a "village idiot" sometimes - who cares? [though I
can't go to concerts, plays, movies, etc. due to the babbling and
jerking, alas...]). Many of my friends are in far worse shape with
physical ailments that cause pain/death, so I feel fairly lucky by
comparison since this stuff I have is just very awkward (but I can
still write well enough to express my "complaints" in this and the
alt-support.sleep-disorder NGs [+ my usual comments in the
rec.video and rec.photo NGs...;-]).
Good luck!
--
DR
Dawn Compton - 16 Feb 2004 05:00 GMT
David wrote:

>They never caused me to be unconscious and
>I always had some control [driving was not a
>problem]). At times of VERY high stress, I
>would rapidly lose muscle-strength and have
>difficulty moving for a few hours, but this
>happened very rarely.

I think I have more often had what you say you have than I have had of
the the unconscious, full seizures.  Since August, I have had about 10
seizures total.  I have what my doctors calls "Trances" (which sounds
somewhat like you are talking about) a few times a week and worse if I
am stressed or angry.  They cause me not be able to move while it is
happening, but I do know what is going on.  I usually kind-of feel these
coming on slightly before they occur.

Being unconscious sucks.  I never had been until I started havng the
"full" seizures.  I hate not knowing what is happening to me.  I
remember very few things during this time.  It will only be bits and
pieces of what people are saying and knowing I am having a very hard
time breathing.  After I come out of these, I am very light-headed and
dizzy, feel like I have no strength, and can't move very well for about
ten minutes or so.  I hardly ever feel these kind coming on.  I think I
have had just one when I felt "funny" a little while before.  You are
not missing anything fun by not having this form of seizure.
David Ruether - 16 Feb 2004 16:02 GMT
> David wrote:

[...]
> >They never caused me to be unconscious and
> >I always had some control [driving was not a
> >problem]). At times of VERY high stress, I
> >would rapidly lose muscle-strength and have
> >difficulty moving for a few hours, but this
> >happened very rarely.
[...]

> I think I have more often had what you say you have than I have had of
> the the unconscious, full seizures.  Since August, I have had about 10
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> happening, but I do know what is going on.  I usually kind-of feel these
> coming on slightly before they occur.

I now may have these episodes of either being limp (no
muscle strength, unable to move) or "freezing" (still, or
with most muscles jittering - much less common)
several times a day (sometimes many, like a dozen/day).
These may last seconds or up to four hours (both are
rare - most are 5-20 minutes or so). I'm also aware,
but may look like I'm asleep - and I can often talk
during these. They sound similar to yours - if you find
out about the cause, please let me know (and, likewise...;-).
"Cataplexy" doesn't quite fit, but it's fairly close. I don't
know if this is useful (but it is scary reading!), but look
at http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html for
another possibility. BTW, I used to get my "5-second
warning" for these, but I no longer do - I just lose strength
over a 10-20 second period and collapse slowly, or I
just stop moving in place. For the first, nothing much
gets me out of it but time; for the second, a slight nudge
immediately gets me going again. Occurrences are random,
though I also often have these while eating or petting
a cat...

> Being unconscious sucks.  I never had been until I started havng the
> "full" seizures.  I hate not knowing what is happening to me.  I
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> have had just one when I felt "funny" a little while before.  You are
> not missing anything fun by not having this form of seizure.

Actually, I'm "there" when having "grand-mal"-looking
events (but I'm conscious) - it is how I get my excercise! ;-)
These are much rarer than "jitters" for me (and jitters can
last for hours), but I had five of these between 6 and 7 AM
a few days ago (with breaks of jittering in between). I don't
get "auras" for these, either. I'm lucky I do not lose
consciousness - but I also tend to stop breathing during
them. I don't know what to call these events, though - but
for you, these sound like "grand mal" seizures...
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gaross - 15 Feb 2004 16:18 GMT
> Whomever Cares:

*** We all do, that's why we're around.

 I just did a reply to an earlier post of yours and included a First Aid
www address describing Seizure Types by what they 'look like'.  Check the
symptoms, for example of Absence or Simple Partial type seizures, compared
to some of the stuff below.
   The other seizures often end in Loss of Consciousness, where we drop  on
the spot.   Since you didn't seem  to have those, that's why I suggested one
of the first 2 listed above.    Several of the Medications, and some of the
seizures can produce Blurred Vision or Dizzy Drunken sensation as the doses
are increased.  IF you had just started medications at that point, your body
was still getting used to it, OR the dose might have been too high for your
Metabolizm or the rate your body removed the dosage.
   If the problems cleared with no changes, you were getting used to a
raised dose level.  /
> I have only been having seizures (total or whatever they are called.
> the doctor calls them full body) since actually August (correction to
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> in one day (one at night before bed, then six early in the morning the
> next day before noon).

*** G.  You could keep a Diary of when they happen, and if anything
different happened around that time, Diet changes, Having a Cold, etc.
Some of the Ladies (please) can write you about Lady's Stuff, since I had
read too that there are things that can trigger some types of seizures in
SOME ladies, at about that frequency too.
   (Men don't tend to have hormone variations during the month, so we're
not as susceptible to that type of trigger. <Our levels remain higher all
the time.>  :-<   )   /

> I have been having the trances (where I stare off and space out for a
> few minutes-very shaky and light-headed-seizures trying to occur by what
> my neurologist says) since before last January (2003).
**G** Check my earlier note on the group-> I mention Absence Seizures or
Simple Partial type on the First aid chart./

 I never knew really what they were until I had the first full seizure.
**G* What happened at the First full seizure?  Did you lose consciousness?
What made you realize it was a seizure?

 I never had
> them checked out, because I did not think that they were anything to
> worry about.  I actually figured that maybe (since I had a few people-an
> aunt and an uncle) I had just borderline low blood sugar.  (Not been
> proven yet.)  I have had these up to several times per day and spaced
> out for a week or two.
G** We also have people around who have to watch their Blood Sugar etc.
They can give you better information on this from their own experiences wrt.
its effects on Seizures and Triggers.   /

> After the second full seizure and before the six seizure "marathon" as I
> call it, I was recommended to a neurologist by my family doctor.  I have
> been through 2 1-hr EEGs, 1 48-hr EEG, an EKG, a CT scan, an MRI, and a
> Vestibulator (sp?) test.  The only thing my doctor concluded was that I
> had a chemical imbalance in the right side of my brain, but he doesn't
> know why the imbalance had occurred now.
*** How did he see a Chemical Imbalance there?  An MRI, for one, sees
'marks' down to fractions of a Millimetre inside the Brain, that aren't
technically Chemical...  Usually a chemical imbalance is found in
Bloodwork??  (I don't know what/haven't had the last test you listed above
(Vestibulator).   I had all the others, and the Rt. Temporal Lobe damage was
visible on the MRI, as was the EEG (for ME) back in 1979 when I had
Encephalitis.

   Mine are the reverse of yours, the Insult happened first in 1979, the
seizures didn't start until 1993.  Yes, there are some people who seem to
Grow Out of some types of seizures.  They might still be around here, but
might need to know more about the seizue 'name' or area of the brain where
the Dr. thinks the seizures start from (the Seizure Focus).

 I was also told that some
> people like me can grow out of the imbalance, but it was doubtful with
> me since I had so many seizures in a short span of time.  This was even
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> lower the Keppra and let me have time to get used to the higher mg of
> Dilantin.  I did get over the vision problem.
*** See comments I made earlier and another post, about adjusting to new
med. levels and some side effects, either of some of the szr. types And some
of the Medications.  Some of the stuff some of us use, they wait 1 to 3
weeks after a Dose change, to do the Bloodwork that would see if the level
is what the Target was the Neuro wanted to reach.   Since we're each unique,
wrt. metabolism, boy/girl, body weight, etc.  it can sometimes take some
tinkering to get a fine-tuned level.
  It's *worth it.    IF you get to a Level that works you might go Years or
longer without a Dose change.  (*Last dose change I had to Frisium or
Tegretol CR for Complex Partial Seizures was 1996  -- 8 years and counting.)
G./

> The part that worries me is that I still have the trances ever so often.
> The medicine isn't stopping them.  Is it normal for the medicine to just
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> scary to me.
>                                              -Dawn

  Dilantin (for one) is a little "Flaky" wrt Control etc.  Some people have
used it  here for Years and years without problems. *I* had too many
'breakthrough seizures' (my word) where I could be walking down the street
Fine, and next be lying by the side of the road or wake up in hospital, if
someone panicked and called an Ambulance.
  I was told it's often First Prescribed for some of our Common seizure
types since it's one of the oldest Anti Ep. Drugs (AEDs), so the Research
costs were recovered already back in the 1930s, and it has been studied
longer.   In my case I had to move off it, and spent the next ~2-3 years
moving to one pill, increasing, decreasing and adding a second pill and
Finally getting control.

   It might seem Irritating since they can't 'fix us' faster, but we're a
fairly complicated little piece of 'machinery'..  Don't give up on them.
We're each unique and we need a Unique solution that they'll find if we give
them time.  There's only one Picasso, one Van Gogh, and one 'Dawn'....
They'll find something that works for your particular case too.
   In the meantime, we're all around here.

  Hey, did you ever see a 30 Kg. Chocolate heart?  I don't know how we're
going to get this thing finished before it's past its 'Best Before' Date,
but if we all chip in  maybe we can manage it...  :- ) .   We have an
alternate one for Howdy and some of the others if they want - it's only 20
Kg (44 Pounds), but they're all fresh.  G. (well Howdy is anyway.) /
Dawn Compton - 16 Feb 2004 05:21 GMT
Gaross wrote:

>The other seizures often end in Loss of
>Consciousness, where we drop on the spot.

These are the seizures I were talking about in the post.  They were the
ones I spent more time talking about and were the ones that put me in
the hospital.  The minor (not really, but you know what I mean) ones
occur more frequently usually.

>What happened at the First full seizure? Did
>you lose consciousness? What made you
>realize it was a seizure?

The second one was when I realized what had happened the first time.  I
did lose consciousness.  I didn't know what had happened until my
teacher (senior english-i'm in h.s.) told me.  He knew since his mom had
them.  Since I'm out, I barely remember anything from the period of time
I was out.  I can remember some of what people say (can not recognize
voices though) and can remember breathing very hard that it actually
hurts.

>How did he see a Chemical Imbalance there?

He didn't tell me which test (s) drawed him to that conclusion, but that
is what he told me was wrong.  He did have blood-work run before all
those test, but he didn't say he found it there.

>had too many 'breakthrough seizures' (my
>word) where I could be walking down the
>street Fine, and next be lying by the side of
>the road or wake up in hospital, if someone
>panicked and called an Ambulance.

These were the ones I was more talkiing about when I talked about full
seizures.  That is just what my doctor calls them.  Normally I am not
out over 5 minutes.

I am more scared that medicine doesn't totally control them and I freak
out going to school, afraid I will have a full/breakthrough seizure.  I
can deal with the little ones.

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