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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / February 2004Tonic Clonic Mumbo Jumbo
It is clearly valuable to have commonly accepted and understood terms with which we can communicate with one another. Then we can have some idea what each of us is trying to say. For some time I have been puzzled by the "tonic clonic" phrase which has been used here with some regularity and with an aura of meaningfulness. Consultation with Webster's reveals that tonic is a noun and clonic is an adjective. Tonic is defined as "anything that invigorates, refreshes or restores." Clonic is defined as "convulsive." So the whole concept is a convulsive experience that acts to invigorate or restore. I am under the impression that this is not the intended meaning of those who have been casually using the phrase here in alt.support.epilepsy. Perhaps they have been using the words in a medically certified symbolic usage, where meanings are quite different from the commonly accepted ones? For the sake of group understanding and communication, could someone propose a definition so that we all might know WTF we are talking about when we say "TONIC CLONIC"? Fitfully, Tim Dear Tom, or is it Unknownorigen today? The DNS numbers are the same so some people here might think they're trying to help **two people when they're not. Go to the Ep. Foundation of America site. http://efa.org and do a Glossary search on the name you're concerned about above. Look up first Tonic Clonic , Then see if there are other links at the end, eg. to Complex Partial or some other types of szrs. I was told at first mine were TC (in 1993), and later Complex Partial (more accurate for mine). Others have posted that Grand Mal? is closer to what used to be called Tonic Clonic in **1930s <-- I told you that before, Several times. I guess that wasn't enough. Using a Webster's dictionary to look up a Medical Condition will fail. Look up Herniated Ulcer there and see how you do too. See if it shows you what treatments are used or any types of surgery that might be needed. Go to the efa dot org site and use an EPILEPSY Site to look up an EPILEPSY CONDITION. /G. (You're becoming tiring. There must be 20 people here who've posted answers or their own personal experiences only to have those questioned, their sources asked for, or the bibliographies and the original source of a topic. If you don't like what they offer as support, do your Own research. Google is your friend, Google used to say. ) > It is clearly valuable to have commonly accepted and understood terms with > which we can communicate with one another. Then we can have some idea what [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Fitfully, Tim >Go to the Ep. Foundation of America site. http://efa.org and do a >Glossary search on the name you're concerned about above. > Look up first Tonic Clonic "Therapeutic range - Blood levels at which a drug can be expected to produce a beneficial effect without toxicity. Transient hemiplegia - Temporary paralysis of one side of the body." The above from the Epilepsy Foundatation Glossary. Somehow they skipped our friendly "tonic clonic". > It is clearly valuable to have commonly accepted and understood terms with > which we can communicate with one another. Then we can have some idea what [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > is defined as "convulsive." So the whole concept is a convulsive experience > that acts to invigorate or restore. Take a look at #9 at: http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/tonic > I am under the impression that this is not the intended meaning of those who > have been casually using the phrase here in alt.support.epilepsy. Perhaps they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > definition so that we all might know WTF we are talking about when we say > "TONIC CLONIC"? http://www.books.md/G/dic/generalisedtonicclonicseizure.php > Fitfully, Tim Hopefully that will clear it up for you. Bob >http://www.books.md/G/dic/generalisedtonicclonicseizure.php Beautiful - the source reorts that "grand mal" is a synonym for "tonic clonic". Why are we confusing things using multiple word sequences for the same thing? I feel for the new visitor who may be fooled into feeling like an ignoramus because pompous jerks are ejaculating fancy misnomers like tonic clonic.. > >http://www.books.md/G/dic/generalisedtonicclonicseizure.php > > Beautiful - the source reorts that "grand mal" is a synonym for "tonic clonic". > Why are we confusing things using multiple word sequences for the same thing? > I feel for the new visitor who may be fooled into feeling like an ignoramus > because pompous jerks are ejaculating fancy misnomers like tonic clonic.. car, vehicle, automobile >> >http://www.books.md/G/dic/generalisedtonicclonicseizure.php >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >car, vehicle, automobile I believe there may be a distinction between a straightforward physical object and mysterious ephemeral internal condition shrouded in social stigma. People may be reaching out for some shred of reality and to be confused with multiple misnomers by people who share similar experiences does not seem to be particularly friendly. > >> >http://www.books.md/G/dic/generalisedtonicclonicseizure.php > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > misnomers by people who share similar experiences does not seem to be > particularly friendly. Grand mal is simply using the French meaning great evil or great illness. Note also that the word seizure that is used so widely, including medically, is based upon the ancient thinking that a person with epilepsy had been seized by the devil or evil spirits. Bob >Grand mal is simply using the French meaning great evil or great illness. >Note [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Bob Thanks Bob - for the history of one slice of human insanity. Does it behoove us to improve upon what we have inherited? -Tim In our seizure research we make a clear distinction between tonic seizures and clonic seizures, and a tonic-clonic seizure has clear phases of tonic contraction of the limbs and clonic movements. The tonic phase has continuous contraction of the muscles such that the limbs are rigid and there is very little movement. The clonic phase has jerky movements of the limbs. Tonic-clonic seizures usually start out tonic and then gradually become clonic. I myself don't think of tonic-clonic seizure as a synonym for grand mal. It's a sub-type of grand mal. > >Grand mal is simply using the French meaning great evil or great illness. > >Note [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -Tim > In our seizure research we make a clear distinction between tonic seizures > and clonic seizures, and a tonic-clonic seizure has clear phases of tonic [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > become clonic. I myself don't think of tonic-clonic seizure as a synonym > for grand mal. It's a sub-type of grand mal. I'd appreciate your comments as to whether night-time tonic (only) seizures could be causing the terrible muscle/tendon pain that I feel in my arms, shoulders, neck, & legs during the daytime. It's as though those muscles/tendons had been somehow strained during the night. When I was in the hospital for tests, I was wired for EEG, taken off meds, etc, and given a button to press whenever I felt a seizure. For the daytime occasions when I had a seizure & pressed the button, no epileptiform activity showed up on the EEG. However, during sleep & periods of drowsiness, occasional epileptiform activity was displayed for both temporal lobes. I know all this now because I recently requested & received a copy of my epileptologist's report. My ep-neuro has pooh-poohed my suggestion that I've been having motor seizures in my sleep. He says that they would have noticed it in the hospital. However, this pain has developed since then and I also wonder if they could have detected tonic (only) seizures. If they were the tonic (only) seizures that you mention above, my wife would not notice them. Comment appreciated. Bob > > In our seizure research we make a clear distinction between tonic seizures > > and clonic seizures, and a tonic-clonic seizure has clear phases of tonic [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > shoulders, neck, & legs during the daytime. It's as though those muscles/tendons > had been somehow strained during the night. Hi Bob, First, let me mention that I'm not a doctor and that I'm a graduate student studying brain changes associated with seizures in animal models of epilepsy. Second, I speak with epilepsy researchers, neurologists and psychiatrists in our epilepsy research group (http://www.utoronto.ca/berp) often to learn more about epilepsy from a clinical perspective. > When I was in the hospital for tests, I was wired for EEG, taken off meds, etc, > and given a button to press whenever I felt a seizure. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > tonic (only) seizures. If they were the tonic (only) seizures that you mention > above, my wife would not notice them. As I understand it, nighttime seizures are fairly common but I'd be very surprised if your wife didn't notice them. I'd also think that tonic-only seizures without a clonic phase would be fairly rare. I've seen them in animals though. There is little or no movement and yet the limbs are a rigid as a block of wood as the muscles are maximally contracted. Tonic seizures are thought to be driven by the brainstem and since scalp EEG doesn't detect very deep structures all that well, it's possible that they could be missed. As an aside, there are also "drop seizures" where there is a complete loss of muscle tone...almost the opposite of tonic seizures (atonic). Also, the epileptiform activity detected during your sleeping doesn't necessarily mean you were having a seizure. It could have been a pattern of activity which is often seen in epilepsy (e.g. interictal spikes) but not necessarily an actual seizure. Have you changed your mattress recently? Several weeks after I got a new mattress, I started waking up with terrible pain in my shoulders and upper arms as well as lower back and thigh muscles. It took an hour each morning before the pain would go away. It was about 1.5 months before it stopped happening. It was like my whole body got a workout at night. I'm just trying to rule that out as a possiblity. > <snip> > > I'd appreciate your comments as to whether night-time tonic (only) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > psychiatrists in our epilepsy research group (http://www.utoronto.ca/berp) > often to learn more about epilepsy from a clinical perspective. Hi But you are far far more knowledgeable than I am and your input is greatly appreciated. I have a doctor who never explains things and am, therefore, attempting to figure out some of this on my own with help from people like yourself. > > When I was in the hospital for tests, I was wired for EEG, taken off meds, > > etc, and given a button to press whenever I felt a seizure. > > > > For the daytime occasions when I had a seizure & pressed the button, no > > epileptiform activity showed up on the EEG. The above was partially in error. There were 22 incidents and the above applies to 19 out of the 22. The report reads on: "However, in three, subtle changes were noted. In two, rhythmic 3-5 Hz activity was seen over the left temporal region, lasting 30-45 seconds, with a tendency to spread bilalterally. In one, rhythmic 2-3 Hz slowing was noted over the right temporal region, lasting about 30 seconds." > > However, during sleep & periods of drowsiness, occasional epileptiform > > activity > > was displayed for both temporal lobes. I know all this now because I > > recently > > requested & received a copy of my epileptologist's report. The report reads: "The interictal EEG was abnormal for runs of rhythmic slow waves over right greater than left temporal regionals at 1-2 Hz. Epileptiform sharp waves were seen exclusively in drowsiness and in sleep. In these states, there was activation of frequent bi-temporal independent sharp waves, predominant on the right (90%), with potential maxima at the anterior temporal electrodes (FT9, FT10)." > > My ep-neuro has pooh-poohed my suggestion that I've been having motor > > seizures [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > As I understand it, nighttime seizures are fairly common but I'd be very > surprised if your wife didn't notice them. That's why I wondered about tonic (only), which she would not have noticed. There's only a stiffening and nothing to notice. She only notices oddities in my sleeping breathing on occasion. > I'd also think that tonic-only > seizures without a clonic phase would be fairly rare. I've seen them in > animals though. There is little or no movement and yet the limbs are a > rigid as a block of wood as the muscles are maximally contracted. Something like that would strain the muscles/tendons and cause the pain I experience. > Tonic > seizures are thought to be driven by the brainstem and since scalp EEG [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > pattern of activity which is often seen in epilepsy (e.g. interictal spikes) > but not necessarily an actual seizure. But it doesn't rule it out, right? Would brainstem activity & TL sharp waves go together? I always look for cause & effect and when a number of things all come together, I have to wonder about a causal relationship among them as opposed to pure random circumstance. > Have you changed your mattress recently? Several weeks after I got a new > mattress, I started waking up with terrible pain in my shoulders and upper > arms as well as lower back and thigh muscles. It took an hour each morning > before the pain would go away. It was about 1.5 months before it stopped > happening. It was like my whole body got a workout at night. I'm just > trying to rule that out as a possiblity. No, we haven't, but my wife just told me that we've had this one for 12+ years and it's the pillow-top style and has some indentures where my hips etc rest. I'm willing to try anything, so I'll buy a new one within the next few days now, but am doubtful as to why it would suddenly cause problems when it didn't develop these dips etc suddenly. I log all my seizures & meds daily on my calendar, but unfortunately didn't log these pains. Here's when some things took place. 2000 Nov Started Neurontin 2002 Sep Hospital tests 2002 Nov Phenobarbital added The pains "might" correspond with when I started Phenobarbital, but my memory is shot and I can't be sure. My Ep-Neuro switched me to Primidone based on that premise, but that made things even worse, so I switched back. One thing that did help for a period was upping my Neurontin by 100mg/day (from 1800-1900) and the pains subsided, but they came back. Too bad. I thought I'd found a solution. Thanks again for your interest & help! Bob > > <snip> > > > I'd appreciate your comments as to whether night-time tonic (only) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > attempting to figure out some of this on my own with help from people like > yourself. When my mother was very ill, I noticed that getting detailed information out of her doctors was like pulling teeth. Even when I let them know that I might be able to understand their jargon they were very reluctant to explain things in detail. > > > My ep-neuro has pooh-poohed my suggestion that I've been having motor > > > seizures [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > together, I have to wonder about a causal relationship among them as opposed to > pure random circumstance. I don't think nighttime tonic seizures can be ruled out yet, but I also think it's not very likely. I think there are also other things which can cause muscle aches during the day. My mother had an autoimmune disorder which caused muscle inflammation and pain. Of course I'm not suggesting that you have anything similar, but looking for other explanations is a good idea. Asking your questions here was a good idea too. I was hoping that anyone here that had nighttime seizures might describe how they felt during the day. Has your wife noticed any jerky movements of your legs etc. while you're sleeping? Not necessarily a seizure but a jerky leg. I've also heard of cases where low oxygen during sleep due to sleep apnea triggering nighttime seizures. I wonder if sleep apnea itself might cause muscle aches during the day in some people. Just throwing some stuff out there. As for the brainstem activity and the EEG patterns during sleep, the thalamus is thought to be involved in a number of seizure types (e.g. absence) and influences activity in the higher brain, so yes, I think they might go together. I don't think much is known about exactly how the different brain structures are involved in various types of seizure. In fact, our lab is currently conducting a study in rats looking at the involvement in brainstem areas in tonic and clonic components of seizures. My impression is that much of it is still in the theoretical stage, even though the neurologists might like to portray that more is known. Please let us know your progress in this. > > > <snip> > > > > I'd appreciate your comments as to whether night-time tonic (only) [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > might be able to understand their jargon they were very reluctant to explain > things in detail. Perhaps they suffer from low self-esteem and fear that what they say could be criticised or contradicted if they said too much, especially to someone who would understand? > > > > My ep-neuro has pooh-poohed my suggestion that I've been having motor > > > > seizures [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > anyone here that had nighttime seizures might describe how they felt during > the day. I have a GP & an Ep-Neuro and they both shrug their shoulders. If they don't think it's the epilepsy, then they should be running other tests & looking elsewhere for the problem, but they are clueless. > Has your wife noticed any jerky movements of your legs etc. while you're > sleeping? Not necessarily a seizure but a jerky leg. Nothing like that whatsoever. > I've also heard of > cases where low oxygen during sleep due to sleep apnea triggering nighttime > seizures. I wonder if sleep apnea itself might cause muscle aches during > the day in some people. Just throwing some stuff out there. It's possible that I have sleep apnea. My snoring has been a problem<g>, but for years. I also have COPD brought on by years of heavy smoking, which I continue. She notices breathing irregularities, but this muscle ache is all too recent. I still wonder about the phenobarbital. > As for the brainstem activity and the EEG patterns during sleep, the > thalamus is thought to be involved in a number of seizure types (e.g. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Please let us know your progress in this. I will and we're going out in a bit to buy that new mattress. :-) Thanks again, Bob >TIMMCO wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >car, vehicle, automobile Timmco, Unknownorigen  SignatureMalcolm > >TIMMCO wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Timmco, Unknownorigen <lol> and don't forget miztergeometry Bob Howdy! I had an accident and I went to the hospital with third degree burns. Most people know what third degree burns are. BUT Using your method if you open up your dictionary, look up "third" and "degree" you would again be totally befuddled. Am I talking about a mathematical burn covering an area of 20 degrees of arc, am I talking about having burns twice before, am I talking about going to school and getting a PhD in burns? well... you get the idea... SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > It is clearly valuable to have commonly accepted and understood terms with > which we can communicate with one another. Then we can have some idea what [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Fitfully, Tim g'day dave, you talk to a doctor and they don't call them third degree burns anymore, they call them full thickness burns. the some is taught in first aid courses. pablo > Howdy! > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > > > Fitfully, Tim Howdy pablo! That's all 'cuz ya' talk different down there in oz! Maybe it's just part of the evolution of Australian English. Here in Rochester NY at the UofR Medical School and it's affiliated hospital they called them regular ol' "third degree burns" when I was there in '93. I sure hope that they have changed the Boy Scout Manual within the past 35 years! When I was a scout they taught us that a third degree burn meant that the skin was burnt to a cinder! Could it be that one is a technical term and the other is a discriptive term? I dunno' maybe Australian medicine has decided to use words that the general public can understand! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > g'day dave, > you talk to a doctor and they don't call them third degree burns anymore, [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > > > > > Fitfully, Tim Hi Dave & Pablo, My wife Patsy is from Sydney and I have it on good authority from her that the technical term in Australia is "Strewth mate, that's a reely wecked burn. Don't ever try thess at home, et's reely dangeress". I'm quite fortunate being from New Zealand....we don't have accents here, so no one can make fun. (She's laughing herself silly reading this, so I think I'm safe for now. Anyway, I've hidden her boomerang.) Cheers Darryl. > Howdy pablo! > [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > > > > > > > > Fitfully, Tim g'day darryl just be careful patsy doesn't spit on your fush & chups when she serves them up;-) pablo > Hi Dave & Pablo, > [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > > > > > > > > > > Fitfully, Tim My lovely wife would never speet on my feesh and cheeps, though occasionally she feels like keeling me for mocking her accent. Strewth mate, if she speets on me tucker, I'll just chuck another sav on the barbie and boil the beely down by the beelabong and hetch a ride to Woolloomooloo. ;-) Oh oh, lookout, she wants to take over the keyboard...................Darryl Pablo isn't it funny how NZ & Oz has this love hate relationship. ALL NZer's would love to have a Rugby team like Oz and because they can't play rugby for sh.t NZer's have to find some way to put the mother land down. :-) Just to let you know Darryl and I are off now to see who is the better at beating the sh.t out of each other. I think I will due to Aussies being better at that too. Patsy & Darryl > g'day darryl > just be careful patsy doesn't spit on your fush & chups when she serves them [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > Fitfully, Tim aussie aussie aussie, oi oi oi :-> pablo > My lovely wife would never speet on my feesh and cheeps, though occasionally > she feels like keeling me for mocking her accent. Strewth mate, if she [quoted text clipped - 155 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fitfully, Tim LMAO...Darryl hates me saying that. Well done :-) Patsy > aussie aussie aussie, oi oi oi :-> > pablo [quoted text clipped - 172 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fitfully, Tim > LMAO...Darryl hates me saying that. Well done :-) > > Patsy truth be known its' started to grate on me a little but when the cry goes up as we batter the all blacks i can't resist joining in. pablo Howdy! Geez... does this mean that "Daz_n_Pat" could be either/or? I'm gonna' get all confused here! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > LMAO...Darryl hates me saying that. Well done :-) > [quoted text clipped - 184 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fitfully, Tim Hiya Dave, Got to be careful how you read our posts....sometimes it's Darryl and sometimes it's Patsy. And sometimes it's both. Patsy comes in here to try to get a better understanding of epilepsy cos I do a lousy job of explaining things to her, and I just come here to laugh at people who use multiple personalities and write wierd things. (Hope I haven't frightened any of them away recently). I only pretend to be here to offer information to others with epilepsy.....cos really, I can't remember any information, so I just make it up as I go along. Cheers, Either Darryl or Patsy. > Howdy! > [quoted text clipped - 214 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fitfully, Tim Howdy! "People who write wierd things" Hmmm.... You talkin' about me? BTW: Since I don't know which one I'm talkin' to, howz about I just call the both of ya' "Dipsy"? SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > Hiya Dave, > Got to be careful how you read our posts....sometimes it's Darryl and [quoted text clipped - 235 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fitfully, Tim Hiya Dave, I'm finding it hard to type this as I have trouble reaching the keyboard when I'm rolling around the floor laughing. Actually, no....we weren't talking about you, sorry....though if the hat fits.................... :-) Was refering to certain individuals who come seeking attention by stirring things up. Now they're gone, things seem a lot more peaceful and rational. As for DIPSY.........................umm, okay, I've been called worse. Cheers, Parryl?? > Howdy! > [quoted text clipped - 267 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fitfully, Tim Howdy Parryl! Here in the USA the term "Dipsy" has a connotation that not everybody would find complementary. Are you familier with the "dumb blonde" stereotype? Well... somebody who's dipsy is a bit like that although the person is not necessarily a blonde and not necessarily (usually, but not always) a female! Like Winston Churchill said: "We are two peoples separated by a common language." SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > Hiya Dave, > [quoted text clipped - 312 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 27/01/2004 Howdy AGAIN! You hardly have any accent at all when you write!! When I went on a tour with some folks from: New Zealand pronounced: (noo ze a'' lund) I had some difficulty understanding them for the first 15 minutes or so. A couple of little old ladies from New York City couldn't understand a word that they said for 2 weeks! I haven't got a clue where they were from, maybe you can tell from the pronunciation. SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > Howdy Parryl! > [quoted text clipped - 202 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Pablo" <iancoffey554@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:WEFUb.44155$Wa.43018@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > > > > > > > > > > > g'day dave, > > > > > > > > > > > > you talk to a doctor and they don't call them third [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "TIMMCO" <timmco@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040205104751.27248.00001445@mb-m11.aol.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is clearly valuable to have commonly accepted > and [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.572 / Virus Database: 362 - Release Date: 27/01/2004 Howdy Dave - I understand when you have a seizure they say you are "epiloptical". So many folks seem to loose their glasses when they fall down and shake. When I installed my head band thingy, they switched over to "epiloctopus"! Tim > It is clearly valuable to have commonly accepted and understood terms with > which we can communicate with one another. Then we can have some idea what [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Fitfully, Tim If you are looking up medical words, you need a medical dictionary to get the definition from a medical viewpoint. Below definitions from Dorland's Medical Dictionary: The definition of tonic: 1. producing and restoring the normal tone. 2. characterized by continuous tension. 3. a term formerly used for a class of medicinal preparations believed to have the power of restoring normal tone to tissue. Definition of clonic: pertaining to or of the nature of clonus. Definition of clonus: alternate muscular contraction and relaxation in rapid succession. Barb As a librarian student, I'd just like to say: THANK YOU, Barb! That's exactly right. Looking up terms within a specific trade/craft, you need to use their specific terms and you won't find them in your ordinary dictionary. You have to look to that trade's specific dictionary of terms. - Charlie > If you are looking up medical words, you need a medical dictionary to get the > definition from a medical viewpoint. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Barb > If you are looking up medical words, you need a medical dictionary to get the > definition from a medical viewpoint. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Barb I should have said so sooner but didn't. Thank you TOO, Barb. (In addition to the other poster who thanked you for looking that up.) I should have remembered :-< that You were the one with one of the Medical Dictionaries.... Thanks for helping us get our Definitions defined. I was at the point where it didn't really matter any longer. G.R. > > If you are looking up medical words, you need a medical dictionary to get > the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > defined. I was at the point where it didn't really matter any longer. > G.R. Thanks to Charlie and G.R. for their support. I am a medical transcriptionist and have quite a few medical reference books (mostly dictionaries and word books) around here for my work, and I am more than happy to look up a definition for anyone who needs it. Barb Howdy! As a technical writer I can tell you the general term that everybody is looking for here: BUZZ WORDS! Words that convey a precise meaning in a particular trade, craft, discipline or field of study. To the general public these words will either sound like "mumbo jumbo" or they will have entirely different meanings. SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > > > If you are looking up medical words, you need a medical dictionary to get > > the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Barb Speaking of Buzz Words.....for God's sake Dave, will you put me out of my misery and tell me what "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" means?????????????? Something about illegitimate sandpaper?? Darryl. > Howdy! > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > > > Barb Howdy Darryl! The literal translation is: "Don't let the bastards grind you down!" If you throw in a bit of - "Don't go down without a fight" into the interpretation, you get the true spirit my message! Maybe: "Don't let the bastards stomp all over ya', kick their teeth in!" or something like that. (Now you know where the English word "illegitimate" comes from!) SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > Speaking of Buzz Words.....for God's sake Dave, will you put me out of my > misery and tell me what "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" > means?????????????? > Something about illegitimate sandpaper?? > > Darryl. BTW: I'm directing that at all of those folks who use our epilepsy as a weapon against us! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > Howdy Darryl! > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > Darryl. Ohhhhhhh. Thanks heaps for that Dave. I now be understanding it. Clear as mud. Darryl > BTW: I'm directing that at all of those folks who use our epilepsy as a > weapon against us! [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > > > Darryl. |
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