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A. L. Ashbridge - 01 Feb 2004 17:34 GMT
Could a twitching eyelid (my left eyelid) indicate some sort of seizure
activity?

It's been doing it on and off since Friday, and I've noticed some
problems with words and motor skills. (My seizure activity has always
been frontal in the past.)

A.

--
Toby: How the hell did I get into trouble?
Josh: Today, my dear friend, all you had to do was get out of bed.
    -- The West Wing
gaross - 02 Feb 2004 04:38 GMT
 I've had that a few times.  Some of the time it happened if I was trying
to stay awake late to watch the end of a movie, so got over tired.  I don't
know if that made me more vulnerable to that happening or not.    I seem to
get those more at home (indoors/dryer air) than if I'm out and about.   But
I have had periods of 2-3 days at a time where it can get irritating if I'm
trying to read an article or finish a TV program before I turn in.
   Do your's tend to happen later in the day? or do you have them at other
times too?  G.

> Could a twitching eyelid (my left eyelid) indicate some sort of seizure
> activity?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Josh: Today, my dear friend, all you had to do was get out of bed.
>      -- The West Wing
A. L. Ashbridge - 02 Feb 2004 04:54 GMT
>   I've had that a few times.  Some of the time it happened if I was trying
> to stay awake late to watch the end of a movie, so got over tired.  I don't
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>     Do your's tend to happen later in the day? or do you have them at other
> times too?  G.

It's been happening all day.
Today, as I drove to work, my lower face started twitching, too.

When I then got a migraine, I started to think it might be seizure related...

argh. Things had been going really well. I think I'll call my neuro in the
morning to see what he says to do. I'm mainly concerned because I right for a
living, and I noticed -- especially when I was at work today -- I was mixing
up words again.

A.

--
Toby: How the hell did I get into trouble?
Josh: Today, my dear friend, all you had to do was get out of bed.
    -- The West Wing
Daz_n_Pat - 02 Feb 2004 05:00 GMT
Do you have epilepsy?
Do you drive?
Bloody hell

> >   I've had that a few times.  Some of the time it happened if I was trying
> > to stay awake late to watch the end of a movie, so got over tired.  I don't
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Josh: Today, my dear friend, all you had to do was get out of bed.
>      -- The West Wing
A. L. Ashbridge - 02 Feb 2004 17:05 GMT
> Do you have epilepsy?

According to my neuro, I'm "prone to seizures". I point blank asked him last
year when I was put on medical leave after having a partial at work -- after
having been in hospital for three days for being dehydrated.
I know what my general triggers are; I stay away from strobes, I stay hydrated,
I get enough sleep, etc.

> Do you drive?

Yep. He says I'm good to drive as long as I don't do it when I'm having a
migraine. I didn't have an active migraine when I left work, so I drove.

That's our "deal". I obey that deal, so he doesn't report me to the DMV.

> Bloody hell

Yeah. I find myself saying that a lot lately.

A.
--
"And you find magic from your God, and we find magic everywhere."
    --Dar Williams, "The Christians and the Pagans"
gaross - 02 Feb 2004 05:03 GMT
> >   I've had that a few times.  Some of the time it happened if I was trying
> > to stay awake late to watch the end of a movie, so got over tired.  I don't
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Josh: Today, my dear friend, all you had to do was get out of bed.
>      -- The West Wing

 It's probably worth a call.   There might just be a minor adjustment
needed in any pills (if you're using any), or they might suggest something
that would work better than any of us here might have experience with.
 (Other regulars were probably away or watching the Football game... )

 If you think it's helpful for others,  let us know what they suggest. We
have probably 100? or more 'lurkers' who read the group but are too shy to
post and some of them might also get those symptoms somewhere along the way.
The mixing up words thing might be something that the Dr. should know about
as that might need more attention but be related too.    G.
Dave ???? - 02 Feb 2004 18:25 GMT
Howdy!

I think that just about EVERYBODY has had a twitching eye at one time or
another.

Don't look for epelphants under the bed!  Let's make sure that we don't
confuse a small muscle spasm with seizure activity in the brain.

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Dave ????
"Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus"

http://www.howdydave.com

> >   I've had that a few times.  Some of the time it happened if I was trying
> > to stay awake late to watch the end of a movie, so got over tired.  I don't
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Josh: Today, my dear friend, all you had to do was get out of bed.
>      -- The West Wing
Mary Fisher - 02 Feb 2004 23:28 GMT
> Howdy!
>
> I think that just about EVERYBODY has had a twitching eye at one time or
> another.

Yes, and recently I spent about two weeks being aware of both my eyelids
twitching almost all the time. I quite like the feeling.

It never occurred to me that it was anything unusual and it's stopped now,
sadly.

> Don't look for epelphants under the bed!  Let's make sure that we don't
> confuse a small muscle spasm with seizure activity in the brain.

Well said.

But that doesn't mean that I think we shouldn't be on our guard for unusual
happenings whichare worth checking out. I think the OP has done us a service
if only to allow Dave to make his point:-)))))))))))

Been off-line for a few days, pc trouble then a new one, if only I knew how
to transfer data easily. Some of my old (more than ten years old) programs
don't want to load :-(

Nice to be back though.

Mary
Bob - 03 Feb 2004 00:14 GMT
> Been off-line for a few days, pc trouble then a new one, if only I knew how
> to transfer data easily. Some of my old (more than ten years old) programs
> don't want to load :-(

With a new computer, I imagine that you now have Win XP?  Many programs written
for Win95/Win98 will not run under any form of Win NT including XP. Those
programs will need to be replaced with newer versions. What data is it that you
wish to transfer?

Bob
Mary Fisher - 03 Feb 2004 12:15 GMT
> > Been off-line for a few days, pc trouble then a new one, if only I knew how
> > to transfer data easily. Some of my old (more than ten years old) programs
> > don't want to load :-(
>
> With a new computer, I imagine that you now have Win XP?

Yes. It has some nice features.

>  Many programs written
> for Win95/Win98 will not run under any form of Win NT including XP. Those
> programs will need to be replaced with newer versions. What data is it that you
> wish to transfer?

Accounts and addresses from old, small standalone and very friendly
programs. The company doesn't exist anymore so there are no new versions.

But since I posted this I've been able to load the programmes. Not the data
... I'll keep trying.

You seem to know something about the matter, is there software incorporated
into XP which will do very simple accounts (not a spreadsheet!), and
software for an address book (not the internet one)? I might yet have to
type everything in ... :-((

Mary

> Bob
Bob - 03 Feb 2004 15:36 GMT
> > > Been off-line for a few days, pc trouble then a new one, if only I knew
> how
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> But since I posted this I've been able to load the programmes. Not the data
> ... I'll keep trying.

Do you mean that you have the original installation floppies or CD's and have
managed to install those programs under XP?

If so, programs are usually installed under C:\Program Files  Look there on
your old computer for those programs and your address data should be in files
that imply they are an address book such as having the sequence "ab" or "addr"
or somesuch in their names. Just move those over to the same spot on the XP
system.

> You seem to know something about the matter, is there software incorporated
> into XP which will do very simple accounts (not a spreadsheet!), and
> software for an address book (not the internet one)? I might yet have to
> type everything in ... :-((

I don't have XP, but if you locate those files as above, you should be able to
read them with Wordpad & other programs in order to look at them. At the worst,
you could copy & paste instead of retyping.

Bob
Mary Fisher - 03 Feb 2004 15:51 GMT
> > >  Many programs written
> > > for Win95/Win98 will not run under any form of Win NT including XP. Those
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Do you mean that you have the original installation floppies or CD's and have
> managed to install those programs under XP?

Yup.

> If so, programs are usually installed under C:\Program Files  Look there on
> your old computer for those programs and your address data should be in files
> that imply they are an address book such as having the sequence "ab" or "addr"
> or somesuch in their names. Just move those over to the same spot on the XP
> system.

Been there, done that. It doesn't seem to work.

> I don't have XP, but if you locate those files as above, you should be able to
> read them with Wordpad & other programs in order to look at them. At the worst,
> you could copy & paste instead of retyping.

Hm. Hadn't thought about wordpad. I'm unconvinced about copy and paste
though, the orginal programs have different fields. I'd still be fiddling
about. Might as well print the lot and re-type - also (as was pointed out by
a know-all son) I could discard all the addresses I'll never use again.

There's aren't many of those, My publisher uses me as a resource, if he
doesn't know an address in our field he knows I'll have it.

Thanks anyway, I'll keep trying and let you know what happens.

Mary

> Bob
Bob - 03 Feb 2004 16:06 GMT
> > If so, programs are usually installed under C:\Program Files  Look there on
> > your old computer for those programs and your address data should be in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Been there, done that. It doesn't seem to work.

You might be missing some other files that are needed along with the address
book. Simply copy over the entire folder. You've nothing to loose as you can
always re-install if you wish.

Bob
Mary Fisher - 03 Feb 2004 16:47 GMT
> You might be missing some other files that are needed along with the address
> book. Simply copy over the entire folder. You've nothing to loose as you can
> always re-install if you wish.

Done that!

:-)

Mary

> Bob
Bob - 03 Feb 2004 18:18 GMT
> > You might be missing some other files that are needed along with the
> address
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> :-)

and everything works on the old computer, but not on the new one?  You didn't
say which programs those were, but many old programs were non-standard and put
files in folders on C:\ instead of in C:\Program Files. Maybe that's what's
happening.

Even some modern programs install Data files in C:\Windows\Application Data
(or whatever they call it in XP).

Bob
TIMMCO - 03 Feb 2004 21:36 GMT
Mary - with all your efforts bringing
your new machine up to par, can I
surmise that eye twitching has minimized?
Could this be called a form of therapy?
Mary Fisher - 04 Feb 2004 09:35 GMT
> Mary - with all your efforts bringing
> your new machine up to par, can I
> surmise that eye twitching has minimized?
> Could this be called a form of therapy?

That's a sensible question but I obviously hadn't made it clear that my
eye-twitching stopped some time before the new pc.

I'm not really one for such cause and effect explanations anyway, the screen
is the same (same monitor) and the challenge is only another of all Life's
usual challenges! No change there. When a new one comes along it pushes
something else into insignificance.

Mary
Mary Fisher - 04 Feb 2004 09:32 GMT
> > > You might be missing some other files that are needed along with the
> > address
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> and everything works on the old computer, but not on the new one?

Yes.

>  You didn't
> say which programs those were,

That's because I didn't think anyone would have heard of them!

Smart Address and Smart Accounts. Also Smart and Sticky from the same
stable - but that's not as critical as the others, I believe I can start
from scratch with that on Word or something else.

> but many old programs were non-standard and put
> files in folders on C:\ instead of in C:\Program Files. Maybe that's what's
> happening.

Perhaps. I have to be out this afternoon but I'll be having another go.
Might even get a grandson to come and play, they take in these things with
their mother's milk.

> Even some modern programs install Data files in C:\Windows\Application Data
> (or whatever they call it in XP).

No idea. Heavens! I haven't had it a week yet!

:-)

Mary

> Bob
Bob - 05 Feb 2004 03:11 GMT
> > > > You might be missing some other files that are needed along with the
> > > address
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> >
> > Bob

We haven't heard as to whether you solved your conversion problem, so I
downloaded Smart Address 2000 at:
http://www.sa2k.com/index.htm
and will be able to play with it.

I can come pretty close to duplicating your problem if I continue, but if
you've already solved your problem there's no point in spending the time. So
let us know how it goes. Ok?

Bob
Mary Fisher - 05 Feb 2004 11:55 GMT
> We haven't heard as to whether you solved your conversion problem,

I haven't. I can get the program but not the data.

What's more, the program - as trasferred from my old pc, not downloaded,
LOOKS different ...

> so I
> downloaded Smart Address 2000 at:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> you've already solved your problem there's no point in spending the time. So
> let us know how it goes. Ok?

It's not solved. You're very kind.

Mary

> Bob
Bob - 07 Feb 2004 15:30 GMT
> > We haven't heard as to whether you solved your conversion problem,
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> It's not solved. You're very kind.

I thought that I had posted another message on this back on Thursday and even
have my own cc of it. However, it doesn't show up in the newsgroup for some
strange reason, so you probably didn't see it. So here it is again. (Ooops, I
see I accidentally sent it to you directly instead of posting!)

Do you boot straight into WinXP? or to you have to supply a user name &
password? (It shouldn't matter, but I'm curious).

On the new system, can you get to the point where Smart Address  is requesting
the name of a database?  I'm not clear as to what problem you are having
exactly. If you have copied all of C:\Program Files\Smart Address 2000 from the
old system to the new, then you should be able to simply enter the database
name that you used on the old system.

Actually, the only files you should need to copy from the old system are the
ones in:
C:\Program Files\Smart Address 2000\Database

Bob
Bob - 09 Feb 2004 15:50 GMT
> > > We haven't heard as to whether you solved your conversion problem,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Bob

Hello Mary

You haven't responded and I don't know where things stand right now. Has your
problem been solved? or do you still need some help?

Please let me know if the problem is solved or if you have lost interest. I've got
Smart Address installed on 2 systems and I'd like to get rid of it if it's no
longer needed. The popup windows are a pain since I have to get rid of them
everytime I re-boot.

Bob
gaross - 09 Feb 2004 17:53 GMT
> > > > We haven't heard as to whether you solved your conversion problem,
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> everytime I re-boot.
> Bob

*G* I don't know what I did, but in the first month after I bought this, I
found an option under Tools or View?  that got rid of the pop-ups.   I
haven't had them since then (~2001)..    Would there just be something you
have to set to Shut them Off,  then confirm or ?? to permanently disable
them?
   I know they were hated by more than just people with some types of szrs.
Google might have something under Popups and Remove or ??   I think it was a
geek's group, I don't belong to any longer, where I managed to fix that. G./
Mary Fisher - 09 Feb 2004 18:14 GMT
"gaross" <gaross@rogers.com> wrote in message news:IOPVb.48204

> > Please let me know if the problem is solved or if you have lost interest.
> I've got
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Google might have something under Popups and Remove or ??   I think it was a
> geek's group, I don't belong to any longer, where I managed to fix that. G./

I thought Bob was talking about a popup in a particular program, not the
ones on websites. You can't turn them off without a licence.

Mary
Bob - 09 Feb 2004 18:47 GMT
> > > > > We haven't heard as to whether you solved your conversion problem,
> > > >
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
> Google might have something under Popups and Remove or ??   I think it was a
> geek's group, I don't belong to any longer, where I managed to fix that. G./

As Mary mentions in her other post, this is a different Popup than what you are
thinking of.  It is a little "Reminder" window that pops up in the lower
right-hand corner of the screen and is part of the Smart Address program that we
are working on. I don't think you have that program.

Bob
Mary Fisher - 09 Feb 2004 18:02 GMT
> Hello Mary
>
> You haven't responded and I don't know where things stand right now. Has your
> problem been solved? or do you still need some help?

It hasn't been solved to my satisfaction. I contacted the writer of Smart
Accounts and he sent me a zipped licence which I put into it and it worked -
no more pop-ups.

I finally worked out how to get my old data onto the new Smart Address
interface - which I'm not really keen on, being a simple soul. Then I
noticed that while there wasn't a pop up screen there is a discreet
permanent message telling me that I have 15 days left, 14 days left, 13 ...
you get the picture. So when I mailed the writer to thank him about Smart
Accounts I asked him about the running out of time thing and about the home
page. His reply came today:

" ... Smart Address ... I guess you had V3 but have now installed V4 (Also
known as Smart Address 2000). I'm afraid it is not a free upgrade. The
upgrade period has long since passed but we've reduced the new price to less
than the original upgrade price anyway, so you haven't lost out. You can
purchase a license at http://www.sa2k.com

> Also, is there a way to change the default opening screen on Smart Address
> to a contacts list as happened with V3?

No, I'm afraid not."

So I looked on the site, it would cost me ?20 to upgrade to something I'm
not 100% happy with. I'm still pondering.

What puzzles me is that Smart Address 2000 V3 worked beautifully on Win 98
but it's changed its character since I loaded the same programme on my new
Win XP system.

> Please let me know if the problem is solved or if you have lost interest. I've got
> Smart Address installed on 2 systems and I'd like to get rid of it if it's no
> longer needed. The popup windows are a pain since I have to get rid of them
> everytime I re-boot.

I'm sorry if you thought I'd lost interest, I thought it would be best to go
to the fountain head and it's taken some time to get the required answers. I
wasn't being bad mannered to you.

The trouble is that I NEED an efficient address data programme, easy to use,
lots of easy useful features and writable to Word. The internet address book
isn't suitable.

I'm looking into having a slave drive with 98 so that I can have my old,
beloved and faithful smart Address on it. If that's possible I might also
have my Agfa scanner back, the new all singing all dancing Epson's screens
are all colour and silly fuss and they irritate me. I'm sure it's more
complext and slower to work too.Why do they have to mess with things?

Harumph!

Thanks for your concern, Bob. I would have contacted you today anyway after
receiving the communication from Oakley.

Mary

> Bob
Bob - 09 Feb 2004 18:58 GMT
> > Hello Mary
> >
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
> >
> > Bob

You haven't answered *any* of the questions I asked you, Mary. My problem is
that I'm not looking over your shoulder at your screen to see what's going on,
so I'm really flying blind here.  :-)

That "days left" that we both get is because it is a "demo" and we haven't paid
for it. In any case, if you installed that on your XP machine, you will need to
un-install it and install your old version. I'm only using the demo to get some
idea of how the program works.

I sure hope you didn't install the demo on your old Win98 machine! Don't! as it
will mess things up.

Please tell me what the folder are on your Win98 machine under C:\Program
Files\Smart Address  Is there one called "Database"?

Bob
Mary Fisher - 09 Feb 2004 21:27 GMT
> You haven't answered *any* of the questions I asked you, Mary.

I DID!

> That "days left" that we both get is because it is a "demo" and we haven't paid
> for it.

I know that - but I have paid for the original and don't want the upgrade,
just the one I registered and paid for some time ago.

> In any case, if you installed that on your XP machine, you will need to
> un-install it and install your old version.

That's the one I installed, it came up looking different.

> I sure hope you didn't install the demo on your old Win98 machine! Don't! as it
> will mess things up.

I haven't installed a demo at all. The old machine is uninterfered with. I'm
coming round to using SA on that because it will be in use anyway, as
Spouse's computer. He wants to keep SA anyway.

> Please tell me what the folder are on your Win98 machine under C:\Program
> Files\Smart Address  Is there one called "Database"?

I haven't looked yet, I doubt it though. I copied all the files to this and
there isn't one called database.

Mary

> Bob
Bob - 09 Feb 2004 22:03 GMT
> > You haven't answered *any* of the questions I asked you, Mary.
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> coming round to using SA on that because it will be in use anyway, as
> Spouse's computer. He wants to keep SA anyway.

Sounds like you'll be alright then.

> > Please tell me what the folder are on your Win98 machine under C:\Program
> > Files\Smart Address  Is there one called "Database"?
>
> I haven't looked yet, I doubt it though. I copied all the files to this and
> there isn't one called database.

Then it's probably not worth spending any more time on. I'll bow out gracefully.
:-)

Bob
Mary Fisher - 09 Feb 2004 22:30 GMT
> Then it's probably not worth spending any more time on. I'll bow out gracefully.
> :-)

I'm not unappreciative ... :-)

Thanks,

Mary
(not twitching!)

> Bob
SimonP - 04 Feb 2004 10:11 GMT
Mary Fisher <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in article
<401edd33$0$8570$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>...
<snip>
> Well said.

Although I agree with Dave's sentiment as well, don't we have enough
to worry about?!?  I'd just like to point out that, although not
strictly the topic, one of the signs that I am likely to have a fit is
my right eyebrow twitching.
The end of it moves up and down extremely fast, like a muscle spasm
rather than a bad Groucho Marx impression.  Also it is very rare that
I can notice it, I only feel it on occasion and if I concentrate (like
looking in the mirror) it stops.  It has helped on one occasion when I
my wife sent me back to bed and when I woke up, I was fine – no
twitching and no fit.

> Been off-line for a few days, pc trouble then a new one, if only I knew how
> to transfer data easily. Some of my old (more than ten years old) programs
> don't want to load :-(

My newserver has had problems and work aren't too keen on me spending
too much time on the net, so I usually use a read only service, type
my replies off line then post when I get the chance.  With nothing to
read, it's hard to respond ;-)

> Nice to be back though.

Although not and avid contributor, likewise.

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Dave ???? - 04 Feb 2004 21:39 GMT
Howdy Simon!

Ahhhhh...

Now that's an elephant of a different color!

If a physical phenominon has repeatedly occured before a seizure one MIGHT
assume that it could be an aura (real aura - not a simple partial.)

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> Mary Fisher <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in article
> <401edd33$0$8570$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>...
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>
> Although not and avid contributor, likewise.
MizterGeometry - 05 Feb 2004 00:04 GMT
>one MIGHT assume that it could be an >aura (real aura - not a simple partial.)
>Dave ©¿©¬

Dave - I appreciate the distinction - so does my neuro.  When I e-mailed her
your remark, she replied that this is the first time that she FINALLY GOT IT.
She says I only need to lower my body for the real aura.  Simple partial, she
says cross my fingers and assume my label is correct.

-Tim
SimonP - 05 Feb 2004 10:20 GMT
Dave ©¿© <dave@_nospam_howdydave.com> wrote in article
<gEdUb.14050$Ll2.13874@news01.roc.ny>...
> Howdy Simon!
>
> Ahhhhh...
>
> Now that's an elephant of a different color!

Yep appreciate that, the proximity of the event made me mention it to
distinguish between the two.

> If a physical phenominon has repeatedly occured before a seizure one MIGHT
> assume that it could be an aura (real aura - not a simple partial.)

That was the sort of lines I was thinking along, though hadn't quite
got to.  Your comment is very enlightening, thanks

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Uncle Enrico - 09 Feb 2004 18:26 GMT
I had a twitching eyelid. My doctor suggested getting off caffeine.

> Could a twitching eyelid (my left eyelid) indicate some sort of seizure
> activity?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Josh: Today, my dear friend, all you had to do was get out of bed.
>      -- The West Wing
Mary Fisher - 09 Feb 2004 18:36 GMT
> I had a twitching eyelid. My doctor suggested getting off caffeine.

They clutch at straws sometimes.

"There's a lot of it about" used to be a favourite, as was "It's a virus".

We had a doctor once whose remedy for everything from ingrowing toenails to
morning sickness was to gargle with salt water.

Did you get off caffeine? and did it work?

:-)

Mary

> > Could a twitching eyelid (my left eyelid) indicate some sort of seizure
> > activity?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> > Josh: Today, my dear friend, all you had to do was get out of bed.
> >      -- The West Wing
 
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