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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / January 2004Marijuana and siezures
anyone have any opinion on the medicinal use of mj to help control seizures? e-mail me direct if you know....thanks, Tom  Signaturetomdaltonz@yahoo.com ICQ # 1635388 Hi Tom, I have heard of it being used, though wouldn't recommend it in place of normal medications. It wouldn't be my choice of treatment. Regards. Darryl. > anyone have any opinion on the medicinal use of mj to help control seizures? > e-mail me direct if you know....thanks, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > tomdaltonz@yahoo.com > ICQ # 1635388 >Subject: Marijuana and siezures >From: "Thomas Dalton" tomdaltonz@earthlink.net [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Tom One of the hemp sites has a medical study which found it to be the BEST of all epilepsy medication .. Who loves ya. Tom SignatureJesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking The reports seem to show mixed results with some people experiencing an enhancement of seizure frequency (and/or severity) while others show a decrease. The animal epilepsy model studies show a similar mix of results. I know that a while ago our lab found THC to be pro-convulsant, lowering the seizure threshold in the animal seizure models we use. A recent study using animal models has discovered that depending on which cannibinoid receptor is being activated it can be pro-convulsant or anti-convulsant. This might explain the conflicting results since animal strains may differ in the proportion or sensitivity of the receptors being expressed in the brain. This likely varies greatly in people too and may explain why marijuana makes some people's seizures worse (or more frequent). To me, marijuana doesn't seem to be a very effective anticonvulsant in itself. On the other hand, there seems to be promise in directly manipulating the endogenous cannibinoid system in the brain which might be a good target for better anticonvulsants in the future. > >Subject: Marijuana and siezures > >From: "Thomas Dalton" tomdaltonz@earthlink.net [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking Howdy! How come Dave F. hasn't put his 2p in on this issue? SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > >Subject: Marijuana and siezures > >From: "Thomas Dalton" tomdaltonz@earthlink.net [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking Howdy! I think that we ought to have a poll here!! How many people out there know who I'm talking about when I mentioned: Dave F.? (Please don't give it away by saying what his name is!) A simple: I DO or I DON'T will suffice! Thanx. SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > Howdy! > > How come Dave F. hasn't put his 2p in on this issue? > Howdy! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dave F.? Well I went to school with a Dave here in New Zealand....could it be him? Can that be counted as an "I do"?????? > (Please don't give it away by saying what his name is!) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > http://www.howdydave.com nope! SignatureDave ???? "Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus" http://www.howdydave.com > > Howdy! > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > > > http://www.howdydave.com LOL, no points huh? Well it was worth a try. Darryl. > nope! > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > > > > > http://www.howdydave.com I don't, although it sounds vaguely familiar - with my failing memory he could be an old friend for all I know! > Howdy! > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > How come Dave F. hasn't put his 2p in on this issue? Is he Dave from uk.people.support.epilepsy? Scotland?? > Howdy! > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > > > http://www.howdydave.com Well... that's ONE answer. (Not exactly the one I was looking for tho'!) > Is he Dave from uk.people.support.epilepsy? > Scotland?? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > > > http://www.howdydave.com > Howdy! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dave F.? I DO. I wish I didn't. Mary Howdy Mary! Geez.... I didn't think you'd been around THAT long! SignatureDave ???? > > Howdy! > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Mary > Howdy Mary! > > Geez.... > > I didn't think you'd been around THAT long! Well, you might have meant a different one to the knowall who infests many newsgroups I inhabit ... although I don't think I'v seen him hereabouts. Mary > > > Howdy! > > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Mary >anyone have any opinion on the medicinal use of mj to help control seizures? >e-mail me direct if you know....thanks, My new house has a darkroom complete with power, water and drainage built in the loft, fully light-proofed. I gave up B&W photography long ago so I do not need a darkroom. It really seems a waste of space if I don't do *something* with it :) :) <shrug> SignatureMalcolm It never seemed to help mine at all, but I don't think it's made them worse either... > anyone have any opinion on the medicinal use of mj to help control seizures? > e-mail me direct if you know....thanks, > > Tom > anyone have any opinion on the medicinal use of mj to help control seizures? > e-mail me direct if you know....thanks, > > Tom tom- i know that mj will ease the nausea associated with epileptic fits--if applicable in the case related to you. with a calmed stomach it will be easier to take the proper medication. i don't know if mj will do anything else for the condition. you could always vaporize it if you are not keen on smoking substances. it should be legalized, it is not nearly as dangerous as some people would like us to think it is. > > anyone have any opinion on the medicinal use of mj to help control seizures? > > e-mail me direct if you know....thanks, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > it should be legalized, it is not nearly as dangerous as some people > would like us to think it is. Evidence? Mary > > "Thomas Dalton" <tomdaltonz@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:<cfSOb.17252$1e.14239@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Mary Permit me to turn your question around and ask _you_ for "evidence" that it is dangerous. I would imagine that there is the same attitude by the authorities in your country as here in the US that marijuana use is the first step in drug abuse & is somehow guaranteed to lead to more serious use such as crack cocaine, LSD etc. I've smoked it any numbers of times myself, whether a joint was being passed around and I took a toke, or when a friend had a stash and we both rolled our own from his supply and smoked them. That never led to any ongoing use for myself and I haven't had any for years. So much for rash conclusions. It was the same mentality that stopped a doctor from prescribing phenobarbital for my seizure condition - a national paranoia over drug use. And yet, here I am now years later taking phenobarbital on a routine basis. Bob > > > it should be legalized, it is not nearly as dangerous as some people > > > would like us to think it is. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Permit me to turn your question around and ask _you_ for "evidence" that > it is dangerous. Well, I asked first :-) > I would imagine that there is the same attitude by the authorities in your > country as here in the US that marijuana use is the first step in drug abuse > & is somehow guaranteed to lead to more serious use such as crack cocaine, > LSD etc. I haven't made any claims. > I've smoked it any numbers of times myself, whether a joint was > being passed around and I took a toke, or when a friend had a stash and we > both rolled our own from his supply and smoked them. That never led to any > ongoing use for myself and I haven't had any for years. So much for rash > conclusions. That's limited and personal evidence for your claim. I've made no rash conclusions. Mary > > > > it should be legalized, it is not nearly as dangerous as some people > > > > would like us to think it is. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > Mary Ok fine. Then what sort of "evidence" are you looking for? :-) btw - you left out the phenobarbital government paranoia part of my post. Is that fair? ;-) Bob > > That's limited and personal evidence for your claim. I've made no rash > > conclusions. > > > > > Mary > > Ok fine. Then what sort of "evidence" are you looking for? :-) I'm not actively looking for it but when someone makes claims which appear to be based on personal or anecdotal experience or belief I hav the right to ask for proper, peer review evidence before I'm prepared to accept it. That's fair enough, I think. Mary > > > That's limited and personal evidence for your claim. I've made no rash > > > conclusions. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Mary Evidence? :-) But seriously, the majority of posts here in this newsgroup are personal & ancecdotal. Must everyone cite a pile of evidence before they can post? If you want evidence, Google is your friend. http://www.google.com/ That, and the other info given by Brad, should keep you busy for a while there down under. :-) Bob evidence? i have known several people that have dealt with the nausea associated with chemotherapy. one puff INSTANTLY wards off the nausea--now the patient can eat without vomiting, allowing precious vitamins and minerals to be ingested. the same goes for people who suffer from migraines. one puff gets rid of the sick feeling and allows the suffering party to take his/her medication and keep it down. you're probably licking your chops right now, ready to flame me for considering these scenarios evidence. what do you want me to do? hand feed you information like your a helpless bird? take a look around the country--i'm speaking about the USA. there are clinics in some states that openly distribute marijuana to patients suffering from a score of problems. there is glaucoma, MS, nausea associated with chemo, migraine, epilepsy, aids wasting syndrome, just to name a few. even physicians recommend its' use. scenario 1. you are dumb enough to believe that these sick people who are willing to be sent to jail are simply faking it. scenario 2. you have some sort of ignorant bias towards marijuana. (can't say it's your fault with the amount of propaganda and all) it's one or the other. but you still want me to show you evidence because you are too lazy to find out for yourself. so here you go birdie: =physicians recommend marijuana use http://www.aegis.com/news/sc/2002/SC021006.html =state courts think the evidence is compelling enough. =drug companies mimic the active ingredient in pot: http://www.marinol.com/patient/pat03.html#2 =why would they mimic something with no medicinal value? inconsistent thc levels, mold, spores, smoking is harmful. who cares about consistent thc levels, if it works it works. as far as smoking leafy substances, mold etc., the patient could vaporize. this is a much safer method. i never said marijuana would cure anything, just treat symptoms and ease suffering. in the USA, it is illegal to test marijuana without the consent of the FDA, that is why there is no scientific evidence, catch 22. show me scientific evidence and i'll show you a third party group with shady motives that funded the experiment. i smoke marijuana for pleasure, and should have the liberty to do so--so long as i don't drive under the influence of course.
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