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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / January 2004

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Rick Shur - 11 Jan 2004 01:01 GMT
Yes. I thought about that. EX could mean expulsado (expelled). But I find it
quite amazing that a written word could trigger an epileptic seizure. Of
course, words connect us to the emotions they represent, and if epilepsy is
triggered by emotional recall, then it makes sense to me that a person could
read something and go into a fit. What I don't understand is why some people
shudder at an unpleasant stimulus and other people have a seizure.
Bob - 11 Jan 2004 03:12 GMT
> Yes. I thought about that. EX could mean expulsado (expelled). But I find it
> quite amazing that a written word could trigger an epileptic seizure.

Only the emotional attachment of that written word, but why not if that person
had bad memories?.

> Of
> course, words connect us to the emotions they represent, and if epilepsy is
> triggered by emotional recall, then it makes sense to me that a person could
> read something and go into a fit.

Being emotionally upset lowers my own seizure threshold. I don't have that type
of seizures (yet! knock on wood), but just thinking about a past seizure can
sometimes bring one on. But seizures also happen irrespective of emotions.

> What I don't understand is why some people
> shudder at an unpleasant stimulus and other people have a seizure.

Because some people have a neurological disorder!  It's all very poorly
understood by medical science & doctors. In some cases, there are tumors or scar
tissue that show up on the brain in an MRI or CT-Scan to explain it, but
seizures are most often idiopathic (a fancy word for no known cause).

Bob
CyberCafe - 13 Jan 2004 09:05 GMT
> > Yes. I thought about that. EX could mean expulsado (expelled). But I find it
> > quite amazing that a written word could trigger an epileptic seizure.
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> of seizures (yet! knock on wood), but just thinking about a past seizure can
> sometimes bring one on.

I've had that same experience.  My thought on this though is that I'm actually
having minor seizure symptoms, which makes me think about seizures because my brain
is already riled up.  Does that make sense?

Barb

> But seizures also happen irrespective of emotions.
>
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>
> Bob
Klenow - 13 Jan 2004 12:36 GMT
> > > Yes. I thought about that. EX could mean expulsado (expelled). But I find it
> > > quite amazing that a written word could trigger an epileptic seizure.
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>
> Barb

I remember a doctor who was teaching the anticonvulsants laboratory for
pharmacy students told the class about the time she was on the subway and a
pregnant woman had a seizure.  Within a minute or so, someone else nearby
started to have a seizure too.  The man next to the doctor turned to her and
said something like, "Boy!  I'm glad I only have my seizures at night!"

There's a video used as a teaching aid for pharmacy students here in Toronto
called "I'm the same as everyone else."  It's made in the 1970s.  There's an
interview with a girl who looked to be about 15.  She talked about a time
when her and her sister (both epileptics) were riding their bikes and the
sister had a seizure and fell off the bike.  The other sister rode home and
got her dad.  The girl was still in her seizure when they got there and the
dad kept telling the other sister to calm down since she was so excited.
Then that girl too started to have a seizure and the dad had both daughters
on the ground seizing at the same time.
Julie - 13 Jan 2004 18:56 GMT
> > > > Yes. I thought about that. EX could mean expulsado (expelled). But I
> find it
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> Then that girl too started to have a seizure and the dad had both daughters
> on the ground seizing at the same time.

The second daughter was probably having a seizure because of the trauma of
seeing what her sister was going through.  I had a tonic clonic seizure after my
son fell out of his bunk bed.  He gashed open his head.  I picked him up with
blood running on my nightgown, took him to our bathroom to put a cold cloth on
his head and told my husband to call the doctor.  When my husband returned I
told him I was feeling funny, gave him our son, and immediately lay on the
floor.  I had a seizure and when I came out of it my husband told me I had a
seizure, hurry and get dressed we are taking our son to the emergency room.

When we got to the emergency room the nurse looked at me and said "are you all
right?"  I told her about my seizure and she said that was caused by the
trauma.  She put me in one bed and I watched my son as he got 18 stitches.

Julie
Bob - 13 Jan 2004 16:56 GMT
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> >
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> having minor seizure symptoms, which makes me think about seizures because my brain
> is already riled up.  Does that make sense?

Yes, it does make sense and that could be what happens to me.  However, attempting to
recall past seizures is never far from my mind because I want to understand as much of
my problem as possible. I'm fortunate enough, or unfortunate depending on how you look
at it, in that I have been remembering more & more as time goes by.  I'm trying hard
not to generate false memories, but I think I have remembered these "feelings" now back
to the point that I was probably going through puberty. I may also remember having them
back to my childhood and perhaps following the point that I cracked a car windshield
with my head when I was 4 years old.

Bob
CyberCafe - 13 Jan 2004 08:47 GMT
> Yes. I thought about that. EX could mean expulsado (expelled). But I find it
> quite amazing that a written word could trigger an epileptic seizure. Of
> course, words connect us to the emotions they represent, and if epilepsy is
> triggered by emotional recall, then it makes sense to me that a person could
> read something and go into a fit. What I don't understand is why some people
> shudder at an unpleasant stimulus and other people have a seizure.

I read your original story of your event.  To be honest, the whole thing sounds
a little fishy to me.  But if your story is true, you know, that's the thing
with epilepsy: you just don't know when it's going to kick in or why.  I keep
looking at the photosensitivity issues related to seizures because it has
happened to me and I've seen it happen to other people.  I mean, look at all the
visual stimulus this man was exposed to before and during the trip and maybe
even watching your hand movements played a role in pushing his brain further
over the edge.   Heck, for some people even being under the weather (like flu)
can aggravate the brain.

At any rate, I've got to congratulate you on your attempt to help this man.  By
the way, if he wasn't able to response, that would be normal following a
seizure, but it still is a situation where the individual needs to be protected
until they recover.

Barb
 
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