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SimonP - 04 Dec 2003 12:53 GMT I have suffered from epilepsy for about 19 years; I was diagnosed soon after my 16th birthday. My first attack was little more than a black out while pushing a moped along the road; the 2nd attack included convulsions this was on September 9th. It was at this stage I was diagnosed, I was prescribed 300mg of Phenytoin daily, lost my driving licence for 2 years (though I didn't realise I had to notify the DVLA and spent the 2 years, not driving, waiting for them to contact me, thinking the hospital would contact them). There are a number of suspected triggers including alcohol, cannabis, extreme stress, a combination of lack of sleep with poor eating, etc. The biggest hurdle I found was the diagnosis I mean how could I be epileptic?? This perception was not helped by the fact I was bought up in Chalfont St. Peter, location of the National Society for Epilepsy. At the time (I don't know about now) it was also a residential home for people with severe cases, to the extent that most seemed (from the perspective of a growing lad) mentally handicapped. Even now I sometimes look at it as a chink in my amour, though it does depend on the current mood. I've done a bit of reading recently and found that all the terminology has changed. I'll try and describe my attacks as best as I can using the news terms and a description. Generally my attacks are Tonic Clonic, falling to the ground then convulsing anywhere from a few seconds to several minutes. After I appear to be regaining consciousness I often have what I can best describe as a complex partial, though everything I've read suggests a partial will precede the tonic clonic. The partial involves me getting up and walking about (yes I've been known to take my clothes off also), mainly trying to leave the area where I had the convulsions. Apparently I can get very abusive and although not inherently violent I will get angry at obstacles, whether human or otherwise. I have no conscious control over my actions or strength and have been told even during these episodes I am a lot stronger than normal. 3 occasions come to mind 1 where I nearly broke one of my wife's ribs pushing her out of my way, 1 where I regained consciousness walking down the pavement in my socks with a newspaper in my hand (it was the Mirror, which I've never bought!) returning home from the local garage or shops and finally when I was strapped to a bed in hospital apparently to stop me going walkabout, they finally let me go when I had come round, undone all the straps and disconnected all the leads (drip, pulse monitor), apparently my last words before being put in the ambulance were asking where my cigarettes were and my 1st comprehensible, civil words later were asking to go for a cigarette. Fortunately my fits (so much for PC!!) are not that common the last problems arising when my drugs fell below the bottom of the range (with the doctors saying everything is fine a few weeks prior to the episode where I ended up in hospital). After that my medication was reviewed and I currently take 600mg of Phenytoin a day. A new doctor started at my GP's and he showed a real interest in my case, he transferred me to Epanutin capsules and kept a regular check on me, then we moved. My new doctors have been less than interested I have had to ask for my annual blood test 2 out of 3 years, last year the results never came back and I am guilty as the next as I didn't chase them, I asked the nurse when I went in for my test this year. She phoned the lab while I was there and found out last years 7.5! (The range is 10-20!) My next results are due back on Tuesday and although I've lost some weight since then I can't really see them being within range. AIUI 600mg is the top daily dose for Phenytoin, I don't want to OD on it but I also don't want to be a walking time-bomb. Does anyone fancy guessing what I'm likely to be given instead of/as well as?
TIA -- Simon
gaross - 04 Dec 2003 21:25 GMT Comments at **s below. And welcome to a Useful Newsgroup.
> I have suffered from epilepsy for about 19 years; I was diagnosed soon > after my 16th birthday. My first attack was little more than a black [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and spent the 2 years, not driving, waiting for them to contact me, > thinking the hospital would contact them). *** I think Phenytoin is the same or similar to Dilantin. It's one of the first ones they'll try for what's now called Complex Partial Seizures (Tonic Clonic was the older name?). If you do any newsgroup or google search, check symptoms of C.P. (spelled out) to what you describe below. You could also look at Temporal Lobe Seizures, but unless the Dr. has said that's where your's were, there could be more than one source of that szr. type. (TLE is also an older name for CP seizures.) Those symptoms were like mine before I was controlled.
> There are a number of suspected triggers including - alcohol, > cannabis, extreme stress, a combination of lack of sleep with poor > eating, etc. *** Can't speak for cannabis, but stress will aggravate some of our seizure types, lack of sleep and poor appetite can interfere also. **Alcohol should be on an advisory that comes with the pills. I'm pretty sure Phenytoin is similar to several other Anti-Ep Drugs that are purged more quickly by alcohol use. (I can use Mild amounts, but really restrict total use to once or twice a year. I haven't had Any now since about 1997.) **/
> The biggest hurdle I found was the diagnosis - I mean how could I be > epileptic?? This perception was not helped by the fact I was bought [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Even now I sometimes look at it as a chink in my amour, though it does > depend on the current mood.
> I've done a bit of reading recently and found that all the terminology > has changed. (***G See comments I put at top.) I'll try and describe my attacks as best as I can using
> the news terms and a description. Generally my attacks are Tonic > Clonic, falling to the ground then convulsing anywhere from a few [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > where my cigarettes were and my 1st comprehensible, civil words later > were asking to go for a cigarette. *** G. All of above you'll find as symptoms under descriptions for Complex Partial Seizures, possibly other types, if others here recognize those too. But I'd bet first on C.P. (Temporal Lobe) Seizures. /
> Fortunately my fits (so much for PC!!) are not that common the last > problems arising when my drugs fell below the bottom of the range [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > while I was there and found out last years - 7.5! (The range is > 10-20!) *** G. Any Cold Medicine, upset stomach stuff, etc. you might need, show to the Same pharmacist (Chemist) who fills any of your AED prescriptions. They have the Med. Scripts and can make sure there are no conflicts (some cold meds. use alcohol or other chemicals that could react). Usually Phenytoin is used first since it's an older med. that is better studied, the Research costs have been recovered, so they're also cheaper *if they work for you. There are *lots of other AEDs available. If you have trouble maintaining control with this one, it just means that you'll move on to another of about 6-8 that can be used. (I currently use *2 and haven't had a seizure since *1998. I was told that for my type of (right) Temporal Lobe seizures that 'one to two seizures per month might be a Hoped-For Target!' in 1993 when first diagnosed.)
Most of these turn out to Not be as serious as we first fear they will be. Try not to beat yourself up over this and let the Dr. do their job. If they prescribe something else or a change in dose, try to be as Close to the schedule of dosing as they prescribe. Many of these depend on xx mg. taken 12 hours apart or 24 hours apart, to get a Flat Line Blood level. The closer you can follow the dosing to compliance, the more meaningful any bloodwork they do, or control you achieve will be. Others here will have comments later, when they come online. Good Luck. G.R.
> My next results are due back on Tuesday and although I've lost some > weight since then I can't really see them being within range. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Simon Julie - 04 Dec 2003 21:58 GMT Hi Gordon. <snip>*** G. Any Cold Medicine, upset stomach stuff, etc. you might need, show to
> the Same pharmacist (Chemist) who fills any of your AED prescriptions. They > have the Med. Scripts and can make sure there are no conflicts (some cold > meds. use alcohol or other chemicals that could react).<snip> I do recall many years ago having a discussion with my doctor about what to do when I have a cold and he told me not to take the over the counter drugs. I said, but I get all stuffy and have to blow my nose. He said, other people shouldn't be upset if I have to blow my nose. In other words it was better to live with that, than to suffer the consequences that come with combining the AEDs and the OTC drugs.
Just a thought. Julie
gaross - 05 Dec 2003 00:19 GMT And Simon should Also look at (and bookmark) Julie's Idaho Website, that has useful General information on Epilepsy Issues, too. http://www.epilepsyidaho.org
The First Aid for seizures page is worth printing if you have family or friends who don't know what to do, Plus others earlier today were asking about Symptoms of Temporal Lobe (Complex Partial) seizures. Some of those are included in the description of the symptoms of each type.
A second site that has a Medications Glossary is (I THINK) listed in there, or (I also think) it's at http://efa.org as the Main Site (The Ep. Foundation of America main site.) There's a medications glossary, too, if your pharmacist didn't give you a printout for a particular pill. Most of the names are similar between UK/ Europe and North America. I found it accurate wrt. the 4 medications I've used over last 6-7 years. G./
> Hi Gordon. > <snip>*** G. Any Cold Medicine, upset stomach stuff, etc. you might need, show to
> > the Same pharmacist (Chemist) who fills any of your AED prescriptions. They > > have the Med. Scripts and can make sure there are no conflicts (some cold [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Just a thought. > Julie G. My wife has one of those Colds like they use on the 'Decongestant Stuffed-up Nose' commercials. I'm trying to keep her at the other side of the House from me... :-< I've had about *2 colds in the last 10 years since I started using AEDs. Whether it's AEDs that help or avoiding carriers, I don't know./
SimonP - 05 Dec 2003 10:14 GMT Julie <IDefiweb@netscape.net> wrote in article <3FCFB0D8.5BF7749B@netscape.net>...
> Hi Gordon. > <snip>*** G. Any Cold Medicine, upset stomach stuff, etc. you might need, show [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > live with that, than to suffer the consequences that come with combining the > AEDs and the OTC drugs. I found that out the hard way in the early years, I'm also not too convinced that aspirin and paracetomel don't have a negative affect (though I could be wrong). A previous doctor prescribed Ibuprofen for a bad knee once so I have stuck to them for pain killers and even then I need to be in a lot of pain. As for cold remedies, I dose myself up with cups of honey (teaspoon) and lemon (covering the honey) and hot water (to the top).
--. Cheers Simon
Pablo - 06 Dec 2003 09:32 GMT > > the Same pharmacist (Chemist) who fills any of your AED prescriptions. They > > have the Med. Scripts and can make sure there are no conflicts (some cold [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Just a thought. > Julie g'day julie, one doctor once told me when i saw him about a cold that i had a choice. i could either rest up and drink plenty of fluids and my cold would last seven days, or, i could take anti-biotics or some OTC nostrum and the cold would only last a week. pablo
Mary Fisher - 06 Dec 2003 10:08 GMT > g'day julie, > one doctor once told me when i saw him about a cold that i had a choice. i > could either rest up and drink plenty of fluids and my cold would last seven > days, or, i could take anti-biotics or some OTC nostrum and the cold would > only last a week. > pablo That's what I always told my children.
Don't now how I knew, I don't get urtis but they believed me and it always worked.
Mary
SimonP - 05 Dec 2003 10:13 GMT gaross <gaross@rogers.com> wrote in article <kDNzb.106293$ZmO.45657@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
> Comments at **s below. And welcome to a Useful Newsgroup. Thanks, I guess I'm worried about the results of the test because of what happened last time my levels dropped (~7 years ago), along with the prospect of different/additional drugs. This started me looking up info and having discovered Usenet in those years I had a nosey around the support groups and stumbled upon you lot ;-)
> *** I think Phenytoin is the same or similar to Dilantin. From what I've read it is the same.
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> > There are a number of suspected triggers including - alcohol, > > cannabis, extreme stress, a combination of lack of sleep with poor [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > quickly by alcohol use. (I can use Mild amounts, but really restrict total > use to once or twice a year. I haven't had Any now since about 1997.) **/ The cannabis was in the dime and distant past, a combination of being told not to drink and mid teen's experimentation
the morning after answered any questions I had. As for drink, I was diagnosed at 16 and finally came fully to terms with it (! Ha, nearly 20 years later and I don't think I've fully come to terms with it) 5 years later. Or put another way, I accepted the situation and reached an age where I made a few decisions I could go out with the lads drink, burn the candle at both ends, etc and run the risk of never stabilising my fits or play by the rules and do pretty much the same as anyone else. I chose the later and haven't had a drink since just before my 21st birthday, baring the odd hiccup that I've mentioned, I now the designated driver which is good I don't drink, no-one with me has to worry about D&D.
> *** G. All of above you'll find as symptoms under descriptions for Complex > Partial Seizures, possibly other types, if others here recognize those too. > But I'd bet first on C.P. (Temporal Lobe) Seizures. / I had understood the falling and convulsions to be TC and the wander-lust to be the CP and each distinct from the other.
> *** G. Any Cold Medicine, upset stomach stuff, etc. you might need, show to > the Same pharmacist (Chemist) who fills any of your AED prescriptions. They > have the Med. Scripts and can make sure there are no conflicts (some cold > meds. use alcohol or other chemicals that could react). Oh, tell me about cold remedies!! <see my response to Julie on this>
> Usually Phenytoin is used first since it's an older med. that is better > studied, the Research costs have been recovered, so they're also cheaper *if [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Lobe seizures that 'one to two seizures per month might be a Hoped-For > Target!' in 1993 when first diagnosed.) That I guess is my concern. While the levels are good the control is fine, the last time the levels dropped the control dropped and I don't want that situation again. I'm equally concerned that a change of drugs will include a period of adjustment while the levels are got right.
> Most of these turn out to Not be as serious as we first fear they will > be. Try not to beat yourself up over this and let the Dr. do their job. It is just a worry; I know that sitting around chewing my knuckles will if anything do more harm than good. Then results are due next Tuesday then I'll have to make an appointment, to start the Dr. working. In the meantime its good to be able to get it off my chest with others that know exactly where I'm coming from although all my family and friends are fantastic, their perspective will always be slightly different.
> If > they prescribe something else or a change in dose, try to be as Close to the > schedule of dosing as they prescribe. Many of these depend on xx mg. taken > 12 hours apart or 24 hours apart, to get a Flat Line Blood level. The > closer you can follow the dosing to compliance, the more meaningful any > bloodwork they do, or control you achieve will be. Yep, appreciate that I spent the 1st few years fighting all that for all the good it did me.
> Others here will have comments later, when they come online. Good > Luck. G.R. Many thanks for your comments and for the links I've had a breif look and bookmarked them. There are obviously US-centric, not that that diminishes from the information, just some of it isn't relevant to the UK and Europe (eg driving laws, rules about joining services, etc.). I have come across a couple of UK based sites for anyone that might be interested:
http://www.epilepsynse.org.uk/ http://epilepsy.org.uk/
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gaross - 05 Dec 2003 16:17 GMT > gaross <> wrote in article > > > Comments at **s below. And welcome to a Useful Newsgroup. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I had understood the falling and convulsions to be TC and the > wander-lust to be the CP and each distinct from the other. *** I just left this while I look around. Mine were first called TC, but within about 2 years (when I moved from Dilantin to Tegretol CR, the same Dr. told me that the symptoms and tests? suggested mine were closer to CP. (I *think you can have a TC without losing consciousness, but a CP you normally drop on the spot when it Generalizes across other parts of the brain.) /
> > *** G. Any Cold Medicine, upset stomach stuff, etc. you might need, show to > > the Same pharmacist (Chemist) who fills any of your AED prescriptions. They [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > want that situation again. I'm equally concerned that a change of > drugs will include a period of adjustment while the levels are got right. *** You might find Dilantin is being purged faster as your level of exercise, body weight, digestion rate etc. varys during its use. Tegretol (for one) has a Time Released version (XR or CR) that is designed for slow release after you take it, so by taking it each AM or AM and PM, you get an almost Constant Blood level. I found my control on Dilantin REALLY Erratic, from 'normal' to waking up in Emerg. w.o. any Aura or warning at all. I get enough of an Aura with Tegretol CR that I can move away myself to somewhere safe to sit down, and let the aura pass. Often it won't proceed from there. **** I found with Dilantin, **And being newly diagnosed, that I was beat up and beating Myself up, for Having seizures, like I should just be able to **SNAP OUT OF IT**. People around me couldn't understand why I couldn't do that... Since I'd move from 'Normal' to 'Twilight Zone' in seconds to minutes, I often didn't realize at first that an Aura was the start of a seizure. Some of the later ones, I didn't go through the Simple Partial (Aura) phase, and just went straight into the CP phase. That's what some that you described earlier were starting to sound like. G./
> It is just a worry; I know that sitting around chewing my knuckles > will if anything do more harm than good. Then results are due next [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > cheers > Simon *G* Those are the first links I've ever seen published in the UK. The UK people support epilepsy group was destroyed about 1999 by a 'webmaster' of all chronic health groups, who thought that being a 'webmaster' (he called himself) meant he could resell poster's addresses to Trash Sites- he had a Robot, culling all uk Chronic Health sites. If you've looked at it you probably see that it has about *10 posts a fortnight still (I never resubscribed since last Spring when it was that active). In 1998 it had 30+ posts a night, like this one had. Most of the people who once posted there, at that time, are 'over here' since this is an International Site. It tends to get newer mail added around the clock as other timezones come on, from Europe to N.America to Australia, and occasionally in Asia. G./
Mary Fisher - 05 Dec 2003 20:12 GMT > The UK people support epilepsy group was destroyed about 1999 by a > 'webmaster' of all chronic health groups, who thought that being a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > (I never resubscribed since last Spring when it was that active). In 1998 > it had 30+ posts a night, like this one had. Isn't there any way we could start a new one?
Mary
gaross - 05 Dec 2003 22:45 GMT Probably, if you know any 'geeks', or someone at a newspaper there. (Howdy knows some 'geeks' if they're not away at college.)*Or enough of you could try Reclaim uk.people.support.epilepsy for pwe. Last, if necessary, a new one could be called Bureau of PWE (likely spelled out), in case there are enough Pythonesques around. (I found both these groups originally on Win.95 with the Groups Search and just the name 'epilepsy' to look for.) There are lots of people here who might have questions, politics of healthcare, etc. interests Specific to the UK, but to general concerns too, where some of the therapies or medications might differ. I write about 3-4 people I met over there in 1998 still. G.
> > The UK people support epilepsy group was destroyed about 1999 by a > > 'webmaster' of all chronic health groups, who thought that being a > > 'webmaster' (he called himself) meant he could resell poster's addresses to
> > Trash Sites- he had a Robot, culling all uk Chronic Health sites. If you've
> > looked at it you probably see that it has about *10 posts a fortnight still
> > (I never resubscribed since last Spring when it was that active). In 1998 > > it had 30+ posts a night, like this one had. > > Isn't there any way we could start a new one? > Mary Mary Fisher - 05 Dec 2003 20:10 GMT > That I guess is my concern. While the levels are good the control is > fine, the last time the levels dropped the control dropped and I don't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It is just a worry; I know that sitting around chewing my knuckles > will if anything do more harm than good. Then stop chewing! You know it makes sense :-)
> Then results are due next > Tuesday then I'll have to make an appointment, to start the Dr. > working. In the meantime its good to be able to get it off my chest > with others that know exactly where I'm coming from ? although all my > family and friends are fantastic, their perspective will always be > slightly different. That's what the group's for.
Mary in UK
Mary Fisher - 05 Dec 2003 20:12 GMT > It's one of the > first ones they'll try for what's now called Complex Partial Seizures (Tonic > Clonic was the older name?). In UK, as far as I know, we're not usually given the detailed names of our fits, unless we ask of course. We're just told we had a grand mal, a petit mal or an absence seizure.
> > The biggest hurdle I found was the diagnosis - I mean how could I be > > epileptic?? Why not?
It can happen to the best of people :-)
Mary
gaross - 05 Dec 2003 22:55 GMT > > It's one of the > > first ones they'll try for what's now called Complex Partial Seizures [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > fits, unless we ask of course. We're just told we had a grand mal, a petit > mal or an absence seizure. *** Those sound similar to what they use in North America. The only other one (other than the Children's ones?) that is commonly around here, is the one called Complex Partial. That one triggers in a Partial area (one usually) of the brain but then can Generalize or spread in a Complex fashion to include other areas. Those usually end in unconsciousness, if not controlled. I *think that Grand Mal on your list is the only other one that can end in unconsciousness. As I got nearer to control for C.P. type, I only had absences (which I thought were grouped with petit mals?) I might be mixing that latter one up with Simple Partials (which is what the Drs. call the Aura alone?). That was where I found Julie's Idaho First Aid for seizures chart handy, since it describes some of the behaviours of about 4 of the types, as well as what to do (to a caregiver) to ease the recovery from each of the types. / G.
> > > The biggest hurdle I found was the diagnosis - I mean how could I be > > > epileptic?? > Why not? > > It can happen to the best of people :-) > Mary Paul Oldham - 06 Dec 2003 16:54 GMT > In UK, as far as I know, we're not usually given the detailed names of our > fits, unless we ask of course. We're just told we had a grand mal, a petit > mal or an absence seizure. You must be seeing an old fashioned doctor: even a decade ago my seizure was described to me as "tonic-clonic, what used to be called grand mal".
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SimonP - 11 Dec 2003 16:54 GMT Mary Fisher <someone.else@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in article <bqqoub$24ki5g$1@ID-182904.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > > Most of these turn out to Not be as serious as we first fear they > will [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Then stop chewing! You know it makes sense :-) Yes, I do, it's also the advice I give out all the time "OK, just answer me this what good will worrying do? By not worrying you'll have a clearer perspective
.etc."
> > Then results are due next > > Tuesday then I'll have to make an appointment, to start the Dr. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That's what the group's for. And surprisingly good it is too. After my last postings and the responses to them, plus all the other threads, my focus has come back again as good as ever.
Thanks to all who have contributed to, not just this thread but the NG as a whole.
<snipped from one of Mary's other responses>
> > > The biggest hurdle I found was the diagnosis - I mean how could I be > > > epileptic?? > Why not?
> It can happen to the best of people :-) Yes, I realise that, the person always mentioned to me was Julius Caesar, but in the few weeks I've know of this NG there are better examples closer to home. My original statement was about my feelings when I was first diagnosed at 16. It took me about 5 years to fully come to terms with the situation, but I got there ;-)
BTW good news I got my results yesterday 17.7 out of a range of 10-20, so I was a little chuffed and relieved with that. I think the nurse must have heard wrong last week, ho-hum
-- Simon Also in the UK East Berks.
Dave ???? - 12 Dec 2003 15:37 GMT Howdy!
People with epilepsy "closer to home", eh?
Well...
How about: Bud Abbott-(Abbott & Costello) Alexander the Great Aristotle Buddy Bell-USA (Pro Baseball player/manager) Napoleon Bonaparte Richard Burton Lindsay Buckingham (Fleetwood Mac) Buddha Lord Byron Julius Caesar Truman Capote Lewis Carroll Charles V (Emperor of Austria) Agatha Christie Leonardo da Vinci Charles Dickens Fydor Dostoevsky Gustave Flaubert Danny Glover Tony Greig-England (Cricket) Georg Fredrick Handel Hannibal of Carthage Margaux (Margot) Hemingway Gary Howatt-USA (Hockey) Joan of Arc Bob Jones-USA (Basketball) Florence Griffith Joyner Tony Lazzzari-USA (Baseball) Edward Lear Vladimir Ilyich Lenin Vachel Lindsay James Madison-US President Michelangelo Mohammed Jean Moliere-French playwright Isaac Newton Alfred Nobel Nicolo Paganini Saint Paul Peter the Great Pope Pious IX Edgar Allen Poe Pythagoras Jonty Rhodes-South Africa (Cricket) Cardinal Richelieu of France Socrates Pioter (Peter) Tchaikovksy Harriet Tubman Vincent Van Gogh William III Neil Young
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Chris Lesurf - 13 Dec 2003 13:59 GMT This list tempts me to ask: Is there anyone who's worth knowing who doesn't have epilepsy ?!
Chris L.
> Howdy!
> People with epilepsy "closer to home", eh?
> Well...
> How about: > Bud Abbott-(Abbott & Costello) [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > William III > Neil Young Dave ???? - 13 Dec 2003 14:57 GMT ELVIS!!!!
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> This list tempts me to ask: Is there anyone who's worth knowing who > doesn't have epilepsy ?! [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > William III > > Neil Young Mary Fisher - 13 Dec 2003 15:35 GMT > This list tempts me to ask: Is there anyone who's worth knowing who > doesn't have epilepsy ?! Well, my husband doesn't have epilepsy and he's well worth knowing.
There are exceptions to every rule.
Mary
Chris Lesurf - 19 Dec 2003 19:04 GMT Oh, dear, was I taking my husband for granted ? No, I was only joking. What is encouraging is that so many people were given acclaim without their epilepsy ever being mentioned or perhaps even noticed.
Chris L.
> > This list tempts me to ask: Is there anyone who's worth knowing who > > doesn't have epilepsy ?!
> Well, my husband doesn't have epilepsy and he's well worth knowing.
> There are exceptions to every rule.
> Mary Mary Fisher - 19 Dec 2003 22:22 GMT > Oh, dear, was I taking my husband for granted ? No, I was only joking.
:-)
> What is encouraging is that so many people were given acclaim without > their epilepsy ever being mentioned or perhaps even noticed. That could be because those who mentioned them didn't know. People usually ARE defined by their sex (if they're women), their colour (if they're black), their religion (if they're muslim or roman catholic), their incapacity (if they only have one leg) their sexuality (if they're homosexual), their age (if they're young or old) ... I'm sure you understand.
You, like I, must have seen this sort of prejudice frequently in CAB. One of the reasons we don't have tv or get newspapers is because we find it so objectionable.
The stories about the one legged black lesbian unemployed single mothers aren't all that mythical ...
If she had epilepsy too the media would have a field day. And, let's face it, very many people have their opinions shaped by the media ...
Mary
Paul Oldham - 06 Dec 2003 16:54 GMT > [...] It's one of the > first ones they'll try for what's now called Complex Partial Seizures > (Tonic Clonic was the older name?). No. Tonic Clonic is the *current* name for what used to be called "grand mal". The tonic phase being where you go rigid, the clonic phase being where you thrash about and bite your tongue etc.
A complex partial is where you act strangely, for example plucking at your clothes, smacking lips, swallowing repeatedly or wandering around as if drunk, but it's not full blown trashing around like a tonic-clonic.
See http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/types.html for a good guide to current naming conventions.
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gaross - 06 Dec 2003 17:30 GMT The terminology seems to be different between the two groups (N.America and UK). I was told mine were First Tonic Clonic (in 1993, as opposed to Grand Mal) since I lost consciousness. As we got closer to control 1-2 years along, I tended to wander off and behave strangely and *THEN Pass out... so it was called Complex Partial (secondarily generalized -- where the waves of firing would spread across the brain and end with loss of consciousness). I also started to see which were the Auras that warned me to go find somewhere cool to sit down in case the szr. got stronger. Julie's Idaho First aid chart (or? the efa.org chart) suggests a Simple Partial is similar to an Aura that most of the seizures might have as a warning that onset has begun. As I got closer to full control I'd have 2-3 auras a week, but they wouldn't progress to lost awareness, walking into traffic, waking up in Emerg.. (If I find the www of the descriptions used in N.America, I'll post them later.) G./
> In article <kDNzb.106293$ZmO.45657@news01.bloor.is.net.com>, > gaross@.com (gaross) growled: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Paul Oldham, Milton, Cambridge, UK > http://the-hug.org/paul/stroke/
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