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K.B. - 17 Nov 2003 15:54 GMT
My husband was turned down for car insurance because I have a history of
epilepsy and I have a drivers license. I lost my license in the past and got
it back when I was seizure free. Can they turn us down like that? Is that
discrimination. If motor vehicle thinks I'm ok to have a license who is this
company to say I can't have a car in the house?
Kris
Paul Oldham - 17 Nov 2003 16:50 GMT
> My husband was turned down for car insurance because I have a history of
> epilepsy and I have a drivers license. I lost my license in the past and
> got it back when I was seizure free. Can they turn us down like that? Is
> that discrimination. If motor vehicle thinks I'm ok to have a license who
> is this company to say I can't have a car in the house?

It is discrimination of course, but whether it's anything you can do much
about will depend what country you are living in ...

Here in the UK some insurers have in the past refused me cover, and some
have wanted to load my cover, but others were quite happy to provide cover
with no loading at all. Never did get to the bottom of why. I just shrugged
and went with the last lot.

I'm sure there's at least one association for people with epilepsy in your
country. I suggest you talk to them as they can probably give you some names
of insurers who talk a sensible attitude. Alternatively tell us where you
live and someone who is in the same country as you may be able to suggest
someone.

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Paul Oldham, Milton, Cambridge, UK
http://the-hug.org/paul/stroke/

Julie - 17 Nov 2003 18:54 GMT
Hi Kris.  Is this insurance company one that you currently are using?  Sometimes
insurance companies try to get you to sign an agreement saying so-and-so in your
family will not be driving a vehicle - a driver exclusion endorsement

Our insurance company tried to do that with our oldest son, because he had a
certain number of tickets.  He wasn't even living in our home at the time, but I
wasn't about to sign the agreement.  They evidently weren't aware that he no
longer lived in our home.  We knew that they couldn't drop our insurance because
we had been with them for so long (23 years).  Actually it was our insurance
agent (who retired) that explained that to us.  So when the new guy tried to get
us to sign this document we refused.

Come to think about it I remember now that I called the State Department of
Insurance.  They told me to write a letter to my insurance company stating that
my son was no longer living in our home and to stop harassing us, the letter was
copied to the Department of Insurance and a file was opened.  They Department of
Insurance contacted the insurance company and both of them sent us a letter,
saying this request was dropped.  The letter from the insurance company said how
much they appreciated our business over the years..... If they had been informed
that our son was out of the household, they would have removed him from our
underwriting procedures and that would have taken care of any problems.

The previous letter from the insurance company said our auto policies were
guarantee renewal but the home and umbrella policies are not under the same
rules.  In order to continue the umbrella we needed to sign the driver exclusion
endorsement.

I realize you are not in the same situation, but you can get help from the
Department of Insurance.  If you live here in the US they are listed in your
phone book under State Government.  Ask them if your insurance company can do
this to you.

Take care,
Julie

> My husband was turned down for car insurance because I have a history of
> epilepsy and I have a drivers license. I lost my license in the past and got
> it back when I was seizure free. Can they turn us down like that? Is that
> discrimination. If motor vehicle thinks I'm ok to have a license who is this
> company to say I can't have a car in the house?
> Kris
K.B. - 17 Nov 2003 20:47 GMT
We just signed on with Prudential in June and they sent me a non renewal
that is up in Dec. They don't have an explanation to why we can't stay with
them. They just said they get rid of the smaller clients to make room for
bigger one's.
I tried to get NJ Cure and they turned me down for the epilepsy. I just got
a quote from All state. I have to put $540 up front and I'm afraid they will
turn us down too. Before this we had our cars under a family members
insurance. It's not easy getting car insurance in New Jersey to begin with.
Kris
> Hi Kris.  Is this insurance company one that you currently are using?  Sometimes
> insurance companies try to get you to sign an agreement saying so-and-so in your
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> > company to say I can't have a car in the house?
> > Kris
gaross - 18 Nov 2003 05:46 GMT
A)  Did you contact the Local Chapter of your Epilepsy Association to see
if they have a Preferred list of Insurance Companies they might recognize?
Might be a dead end, but sometimes their Counsellors could have done all the
Leg Work for you and found a Preferred Rate outlet.

B)  If you're a Member of AAA (American Auto Association), or know someone
who is (or call them), the Canada Equivalent sells Insurance to their
Members.  You might get a Preferred Rate (at least better than you were
quoted so far) for the cost of the Family Membership (about $60. a year),
plus they can tell you if there's any impediments to their insuring you.

 (The samples you described below sound like impediments.  I'm surprised
the Americans with Disabilities haven't taken some of them to Court already.
You might just need to get the State to tell you what you Quote in your
Letter to them ("Americans with Disabilities Act Paragraph 47, Section C,
pertaining to Insurance Company behaviour..."  or similar).

  I realize some of the companies want to protect their Bottom lines (or
just their Bottoms),  but the Intent of insurance is that it be accessible
and reflect their degree of risk.
  It's not like you're going to walk in and want insurance if you weren't
already controlled or able to provide a Doctor's Letter, stating you are.

  Some thoughts as I read some of this thread [once I finally got my broken
links partly fixed].  G.R.

> We just signed on with Prudential in June and they sent me a non renewal
> that is up in Dec. They don't have an explanation to why we can't stay with
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> Kris
> > Hi Kris.  Is this insurance company one that you currently are using?
Sometimes
> > insurance companies try to get you to sign an agreement saying so-and-so
in your
> > family will not be driving a vehicle - a driver exclusion endorsement
> >
> > Our insurance company tried to do that with our oldest son, because he
had a
> > certain number of tickets.  He wasn't even living in our home at the
time, but I
> > wasn't about to sign the agreement.  They evidently weren't aware that
he no
> > longer lived in our home.  We knew that they couldn't drop our insurance
because
> > we had been with them for so long (23 years).  Actually it was our
insurance
> > agent (who retired) that explained that to us.  So when the new guy
tried to get
> > us to sign this document we refused.
> >
> > Come to think about it I remember now that I called the State Department
of
> > Insurance.  They told me to write a letter to my insurance company
stating that
> > my son was no longer living in our home and to stop harassing us, the
letter was
> > copied to the Department of Insurance and a file was opened.  They
Department of
> > Insurance contacted the insurance company and both of them sent us a
letter,
> > saying this request was dropped.  The letter from the insurance company
said how
> > much they appreciated our business over the years..... If they had been
informed
> > that our son was out of the household, they would have removed him from
our
> > underwriting procedures and that would have taken care of any problems.
> >
> > The previous letter from the insurance company said our auto policies were
> > guarantee renewal but the home and umbrella policies are not under the
same
> > rules.  In order to continue the umbrella we needed to sign the driver
exclusion
> > endorsement.
> >
> > I realize you are not in the same situation, but you can get help from the
> > Department of Insurance.  If you live here in the US they are listed in
your
> > phone book under State Government.  Ask them if your insurance company
can do
> > this to you.
> > Take care,
> > Julie
> >
> > > My husband was turned down for car insurance because I have a history of
> > > epilepsy and I have a drivers license. I lost my license in the past
and got
> > > it back when I was seizure free. Can they turn us down like that? Is
that
> > > discrimination. If motor vehicle thinks I'm ok to have a license who
is this
> > > company to say I can't have a car in the house?
> > > Kris
K.B. - 20 Nov 2003 17:48 GMT
I'm waiting on Allstate. Hopefully they take us. AAA will take too long and
we only have until Dec 19 to get insured. My husband can get insurance
through his job but that also takes 2 months and I don't know if they would
turn me down for my epilepsy. I feel like complaining to somebody but I know
it won't make a difference. This is the way things go for me.
Kris
> A)  Did you contact the Local Chapter of your Epilepsy Association to see
> if they have a Preferred list of Insurance Companies they might recognize?
[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
> > > > company to say I can't have a car in the house?
> > > > Kris
Julie - 18 Nov 2003 18:50 GMT
I did a search on the Epilepsy Foundation's website for insurance and found a
link to auto insurance.
http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/answerplace/Legal/insurance/auto.cfm

The last paragraph gives information about contacting the state insurance
commission and gives a website and 800 number.

From what I read it recommends you be very specific about your condition when
contacting the insurance companies.  Informing them about how many years your
epilepsy has been under control.  They suggest you shop around.

Take care,
Julie

> We just signed on with Prudential in June and they sent me a non renewal
> that is up in Dec. They don't have an explanation to why we can't stay with
[quoted text clipped - 69 lines]
> > > company to say I can't have a car in the house?
> > > Kris
Dave ???? - 18 Nov 2003 18:16 GMT
Howdy!

Due to the nature of insurance I'm not sure whether or not you can call it
"discrimination".

Every business has one objective: to make money.

The insurance business is really nothing but a wager that says "I bet that I
will get more money in insurance premiums than I will have to pay out in
benefits."

Insurance companies refuse to give policies to people all the time because
they are too high a risk. I ought to know... I can't get health insurance
from anybody.

That doesn't mean that I'm being discriminated against, I am not being
refused "for no good, reasonable or apparant reason". I'm being refused
because I am too high a risk.

Signature

Dave ????
"Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus"

http://www.howdydave.com

> My husband was turned down for car insurance because I have a history of
> epilepsy and I have a drivers license. I lost my license in the past and got
> it back when I was seizure free. Can they turn us down like that? Is that
> discrimination. If motor vehicle thinks I'm ok to have a license who is this
> company to say I can't have a car in the house?
> Kris
genie - 20 Nov 2003 12:12 GMT
Australian Casualty Company was the name of an insurance company my husband
had that would cover him when he was self employed

but with most insurances now I think that if there is a pre existing
condition such as epilepsy then they will cover but NOT if it is seziure
related

but then again since the HIH debacale here ALL insurance companies have
become money sucking leaches much worse than ever
> My husband was turned down for car insurance because I have a history of
> epilepsy and I have a drivers license. I lost my license in the past and got
> it back when I was seizure free. Can they turn us down like that? Is that
> discrimination. If motor vehicle thinks I'm ok to have a license who is this
> company to say I can't have a car in the house?
> Kris

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