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TIMMCO - 03 Nov 2003 20:23 GMT
Greetings - I have found a consistent pattern over the years that for a day or
so following a seizure, I am extremely emotional.  One of the most graphic
examples of this is when I am listening to a song on the radio which normally
touches my heart.  In the period following a seizure, I am not just touched but
enraptured, sometimes even breaking into tears.  To feel so deeply is not
unpleasant, but it is unusual.  Does anyone else have similar experiences of an
emotional nature in the period following a seizure?  Thanks,  Tim
Mary Fisher - 03 Nov 2003 21:48 GMT
> Greetings - I have found a consistent pattern over the years that for a day or
> so following a seizure, I am extremely emotional.  One of the most graphic
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> unpleasant, but it is unusual.  Does anyone else have similar experiences of an
> emotional nature in the period following a seizure?  Thanks,  Tim

No, because I only had one seizure before my meningioma was discovered and
removed.

But for the months before that I was extremely sensitive - understanding? -
of poetry, music, natural and man made beauty ... as well as other people's
feelings. I reckoned that my heightened senses could probably be likened to
that experienced by mind enhancing drug takers. I'd never done drugs.

It made me feel more akin to the greats, the saints, the seers, and it was
the part of my condition which I was sorry to lose.

I also understand now why so many religiously aware people - saints if you
like - are said to have been epileptic. There's something special about us
...

Mary
Bob - 04 Nov 2003 03:38 GMT
> Greetings - I have found a consistent pattern over the years that for a day or
> so following a seizure, I am extremely emotional.  One of the most graphic
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> unpleasant, but it is unusual.  Does anyone else have similar experiences of an
> emotional nature in the period following a seizure?  Thanks,  Tim

My experience is similar to yours, but it doesn't have to be just following a
seizure.  I now hear music,  that I've heard all my life, differently than before.
Bach, Chopin, Mendelsohn, various folk-ethnic music et al. It now has a stronger
emotional effect and I notice more of the differences in interpretation of various
pieces including tempo, phrasing,  etc.  I was on the verge of tears listening to
one piece the other day. I think I know what you mean!

Bob
TIMMCO - 04 Nov 2003 18:52 GMT
>My experience is similar to yours, but it doesn't have to be just following a
>seizure.  I now hear music,  that I've heard all my life, differently than
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>
>Bob

Thanks Bob, in fact it is not just the deepened emotional reaction, but a
deeper intellectual appreciation of the art form.  For the human race to have
invented the whole range of musical instruments is extraordinary.  Lately, when
watching films, I have been amazed at the medium which allows for the immediate
transition of watching a young man in deep thought, sitting in a room, to the
sight of a group of people sharing a picnic at the beach.
Mary Fisher - 04 Nov 2003 20:31 GMT
> Thanks Bob, in fact it is not just the deepened emotional reaction, but a
> deeper intellectual appreciation of the art form.  For the human race to have
> invented the whole range of musical instruments is extraordinary.  Lately, when
> watching films, I have been amazed at the medium which allows for the immediate
> transition of watching a young man in deep thought, sitting in a room, to the
> sight of a group of people sharing a picnic at the beach.

That's it exactly.

But do you feel any happier - or disappointed - that your experience isn't
unique?

Mary
TIMMCO - 05 Nov 2003 00:10 GMT
>That's it exactly.
>
>But do you feel any happier - or disappointed - that your experience isn't
>unique?
>
>Mary

Hi Mary - are you addressing me?  That's a very interesting question and I
wonder what is the source of your inspiration.  In fact I am overjoyed to find
that there is some echo of my own experience in the outside world.  The last
time I raised the issue, I put it in terms not of having "enhanced emotion" but
in experiencing "new eyes." At that time I received not a single note of
support but rather a whole string of blasts informing me of my insanity and
that the only sane course is to ingest whatever medicines are prescribed to get
these evil events under control.
Thanks for sharing your unusual view and I would wonder how you fare with your
views in the world at large.
                                        Tim
Mary Fisher - 05 Nov 2003 18:24 GMT
> >That's it exactly.
> >
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>
> Hi Mary - are you addressing me?

er - probably :-)

> That's a very interesting question and I
> wonder what is the source of your inspiration.

Look, I can't remember what I had for lunch never mind something I keyed
in - erm - some time ago!

> In fact I am overjoyed to find
> that there is some echo of my own experience in the outside world.

Oh good.

>  The last
> time I raised the issue, I put it in terms not of having "enhanced emotion" but
> in experiencing "new eyes." At that time I received not a single note of
> support but rather a whole string of blasts informing me of my insanity and
> that the only sane course is to ingest whatever medicines are prescribed to get
> these evil events under control.

That's not something I'd have done - nor, I suspect, anyone who's
experienced it. My sadness is that I don't any more, something very precious
has been lost.

> Thanks for sharing your unusual view and I would wonder how you fare with your
> views in the world at large.

If you're more specific I'll be happy to tell you - probably at boring
length <G>

Mary
>                                          Tim
Bob - 05 Nov 2003 03:21 GMT
> >My experience is similar to yours, but it doesn't have to be just following a
> >seizure.  I now hear music,  that I've heard all my life, differently than
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> Thanks Bob, in fact it is not just the deepened emotional reaction, but a
> deeper intellectual appreciation of the art form.

That's the case with me. I've always favored some pianists or conductors over
others because I appreciated their interpretations of the works they were playing
more than other interpretations. That has been much emphasized since I've been
having seizures.

> For the human race to have
> invented the whole range of musical instruments is extraordinary.

and each with their own beautiful unique characteristics!

> Lately, when
> watching films, I have been amazed at the medium which allows for the immediate
> transition of watching a young man in deep thought, sitting in a room, to the
> sight of a group of people sharing a picnic at the beach.

In my case, it's almost as though I suddenly had never seen people before.   I look
at people on the street & in the stores and mentally note their facial & physical
features and it all seems so different.  I look at all the different makes of
vehicles on the road and although I used to be a real car fan, I can't say that I
really favor or am turned on by any of them.  Guess I'm starting to sound a little
weird now.<g> Oh well!

Bob
Bob - 09 Nov 2003 00:44 GMT
> > >My experience is similar to yours, but it doesn't have to be just following a
> > >seizure.  I now hear music,  that I've heard all my life, differently than
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>
> Bob

Just replying to myself, but I had been pointing out that the effect was not only in
the aural (as in hearing music), but also in the visual (seeing & looking at people &
scenary etc), that things were enhanced & different.

Bob
TIMMCO - 10 Nov 2003 06:16 GMT
>> > >My experience is similar to yours, but it doesn't have to be just
>following a
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>
>Bob

It's gratifying to hear that someone else associates various types of enhansed
sensory, intellectual and emotional appreciation with their seizures - as
mysterious a process as that may be.  It seems from your earlier posts that
your seizures may have come later in your life.  Is that the case?  Is that the
case?  My first seizure occurred when I was around 40, shortly after the death
of my younger brother, the family member with whom I had the closest emotional
bond.  Was there a significant event associated with your first seizure.  Hope
all is well Bob.  Tim
Bob - 11 Nov 2003 01:28 GMT
> >> > >My experience is similar to yours, but it doesn't have to be just
> >following a
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> your seizures may have come later in your life.  Is that the case?  Is that the
> case?

I've been trying hard to remember, but you know how that goes. I can recall having
seizures when I was in my 20's & I'm sure that I had them before that, but I simply
can't pin it down.  A major problem is that I was never properly diagnosed until
recently and never diagnosed by the doctors I saw back in my 20's.

> My first seizure occurred when I was around 40, shortly after the death
> of my younger brother, the family member with whom I had the closest emotional
> bond.  Was there a significant event associated with your first seizure.

I can't recall my first seizure, but I may have been having these aura feelings for
a long time. I cracked a car windshield with my forehead when I was 4 yrs old and
had meningitis when I was ~9 years old and they may have started back then. I just
simply don't know!

> Hope
> all is well Bob.

Things aren't well at all. I've been miserable for the past 4 years after this was
all gone for over 20 years and then came back. Many thanks for your concern though.

Bob
Mary Fisher - 11 Nov 2003 21:36 GMT
> Things aren't well at all. I've been miserable for the past 4 years after this was
> all gone for over 20 years and then came back. Many thanks for your concern though.

I'm sorry about that but can't you still appreciate the good things in life?
There are lots. I'm not being patronising.

Mary

> Bob
Bob - 12 Nov 2003 01:23 GMT
> > Things aren't well at all. I've been miserable for the past 4 years after
> > this was
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> I'm sorry about that but can't you still appreciate the good things in life?
> There are lots.

Thanks! Mary.  I do enjoy my music which I have on all day long and keep my mind
busy reading newsgroups etc. and playing with my computer and doing other
things.  As long as I keep my mind busy, I don't dwell on the bad aspects and
perhaps we will find the right drug or dosage for me one of these days - or
maybe it will all go away like it has in the past (and I wish I could remember
the reason! CRS).

> I'm not being patronising.

Didn't sound like it! :-)  Thanks for your concern and all the best to you!

Bob
David Ruether - 14 Feb 2004 14:32 GMT
> > > >My experience is similar to yours, but it doesn't have to be just following a
> > > >seizure.  I now hear music,  that I've heard all my life, differently than
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > > >
> > > >Bob

> > > Thanks Bob, in fact it is not just the deepened emotional reaction, but a
> > > deeper intellectual appreciation of the art form.

> > That's the case with me. I've always favored some pianists or conductors over
> > others because I appreciated their interpretations of the works they were playing
> > more than other interpretations. That has been much emphasized since I've been
> > having seizures.

> > > For the human race to have
> > > invented the whole range of musical instruments is extraordinary.

> > and each with their own beautiful unique characteristics!

> > > Lately, when
> > > watching films, I have been amazed at the medium which allows for the immediate
> > > transition of watching a young man in deep thought, sitting in a room, to the
> > > sight of a group of people sharing a picnic at the beach.

> > In my case, it's almost as though I suddenly had never seen people before.   I look
> > at people on the street & in the stores and mentally note their facial & physical
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> >
> > Bob

> Just replying to myself, but I had been pointing out that the effect was not only in
> the aural (as in hearing music), but also in the visual (seeing & looking at people &
> scenary etc), that things were enhanced & different.
>
> Bob

I have not been definitely diagnosed with epilepsy (many episodes
of "jitters/jerks", "limps", "freezes", etc., in the last four months, but I'm
always conscious and have a normal short-duration EEG), but during
episodes, sound can seem louder, colors/textures/shapes enhanced,
and flavors more pronounced. Afterward, I'm either tired, "normal",
or on the way into an alternate mode - but fortunately I do not
experience depression. I am often more emotional than I used to be,
though...
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TIMMCO - 14 Feb 2004 18:32 GMT
Thanks David, for reviving this lost thread.  I believe to partake of these
"emotional enhancements", one must be open to them.  And if people are
completely fixated on their malady, their fears, how different they are, on
their medicine levels, or on their aches and pains, I doubt they have the
composure to appreciate some of the other side effects of seizures.  There
seems to be a theme on this board to consider seizures the ultimate curse.  By
projecting such an image, newcomers might not be guided to calmly become aware
of the full range of occurrences that happen within.  Let us not forget that
some of the greatest figures in history, both men and women, have "suffered"
from epilepsy and heve benefited from the heightened perceptions associated
with that experience.

>Subject: Re: post-seizure emotional enhancement
>From: "David Ruether" rpn1@no-junk.cornell.edu
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>experience depression. I am often more emotional than I used to be,
>though...
Mary Fisher - 14 Feb 2004 20:29 GMT
> Thanks David, for reviving this lost thread.  I believe to partake of these
> "emotional enhancements", one must be open to them.  And if people are
> completely fixated on their malady, their fears, how different they are, on
> their medicine levels, or on their aches and pains, I doubt they have the
> composure to appreciate some of the other side effects of seizures.  There
> seems to be a theme on this board to consider seizures the ultimate curse.

Nah - toothache's the ultimate curse! Even epilepsy doesn't match up to
that.

Mary
Dave ???? - 10 Nov 2003 20:14 GMT
Howdy Tim!

Referring to Eastern Philosophy, it almost sounds as if your seizures are
enabling you to see other peoples aura's!

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> Greetings - I have found a consistent pattern over the years that for a day or
> so following a seizure, I am extremely emotional.  One of the most graphic
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> unpleasant, but it is unusual.  Does anyone else have similar experiences of an
> emotional nature in the period following a seizure?  Thanks,  Tim
turbinado - 17 Nov 2003 03:47 GMT
> Greetings - I have found a consistent pattern over the years that for a day or
> so following a seizure, I am extremely emotional.  One of the most graphic
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> unpleasant, but it is unusual.  Does anyone else have similar experiences of an
> emotional nature in the period following a seizure?  Thanks,  Tim

Absolutely, I find I am extremely depressed and emotional for a day or two
after a major seizure.
 
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