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>Isabelle
Hi Isabelle,
Whenever I hear the Tegretol/Frisium combination, my ears perk up. I was
on 1600 Tegretol a day, plus 40 Frisium, which gave me control over the
epilepsy but no control over my memory or random sleeping habits (at
times I wondered whether I had narcolepsy, not epilepsy).
I reduced the Tegretol first to 1200, then to 1000, then to 800 and have
had no problems. This was done gradually and on the 1000 to 800 step I
took 1000/800 on alternate days ( let's call it 1:1) for three weeks,
then 1:2 for three weeks, then 1:3 for three weeks. After that I went to
a steady dose of 800, which still has side effects, but not as bad as
before.
This dosage plan was successful and my own design, so that if I
discovered the dose became too low, I could hike it back to the previous
level without putting my doc in a difficult position regarding my
licence. Having waited 19 years before they granted me it, I didn't want
to lose it again merely because of one day's missing pill.
After 2 years at the lower dose (now 46) 800 I have had no seizures, and
my doc is aware of the changes I have made. He suggested that I stay at
800 FTTB, although I occasionally miss a dose (due to forgetfulness!)
with no ill effects.
I hope you are successful, and wish you the best - please let us know
how things go.

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> i am writing in the hope that someone might be able to give me some advise
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> you soon and have a great weekend
> Isabelle
Hi. I was on 400mg Tegretol Controlled Release twice a day when we replaced
the night dose with Frisium (which you use too). The types of tablets I
have can be snapped in half to make part doses. As we added the replacement
tablet (in my case Frisium), they set the frequency at One week alternate
days of 2 tablets one day, 1.5 tablets next, 2 tablets, 1.5etc. Then one
week at 1.5 tablets each night, then week 3 alternate down another half
tablet, week 4 one tablet then Bloodwork. We then did the last of the
removal over the next 4 weeks. Somewhere in there the Frisium (which
replaced my Night Tegretol) was started and phased up so the doses passed
each other on way to their targets.
We took my Night doses down quicker than your Doctor is doing with you.
My 2 tablets (400mg) night dose above were totally removed in 8 weeks, and
final 'blood check' at week 10. While there is an advisory about Promptly
stopping the Tegretol that means 'don't stop taking it tonight Cold Turkey'
, it doesn't mean that with Doctor supervision that you need to worry about
the rate he's set. Especially if you have told them you were interested in
becoming Pregnant, the rate they had set didn't look (to a Non-Doctor) to be
too fast. They likely want to see if the replacement tablets will keep you
stable as you get closer to the Last e.g. 30% of the Total Tegretol you were
on, since any reactions you might have would show up there?? I wouldn't be
surprised if they want you OFF the tegretol, for 4-8 weeks before you move
on to 'Phase 2' (becoming pregnant), but That's an area that I'm not
experienced to pass comment on. I just know that some of the anti ep drugs
(AEDs) stay in the blood for a number of weeks, so the last of the Tegretol
would likely still be around for 2-3 weeks? after the last of it is taken.
IF you're concerned they might be going too quick for you, don't be
afraid to ask them or tell them about your concerns. Most of the Doctors
I've ever had were More than willing to discuss what they were doing in more
detail and make the patient comfortable with why they had set the Increase
or Decrease rate at what they had.
There IS an advisory on my Tegretol Prescription scripts, that if I
planned to become pregnant to consult with my Doctor. I *think there is
risk of it robbing Calcium and possibly also producing complications for the
child during the First? Trimester -- but being the wrong Gender I didn't pay
enough attention.
I have *2 sites for you that you should bookmark so you can look through
them at your leisure. Julie Walton posts from time to time and runs the
Idaho U.S. Website. It has good general information on First Aid, Living
with Ep. Issues and MAY have stuff you'd find useful. It's at
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org .
Above has a link to the main U.S. Ep. Foundation of America site which
has a Medications Glossary that will include most of the pills you might use
in the UK or Europe. Although it might not list Tegretol Retard, it will
list Tegretol OR Carbamazepine (likely on the pill bottle), and Tegretol XR
or CR --> ONE of them is equivalent to the UK version. Someone here might
know which it is.
**MY Tegretol CR 200mg are Orange Solid tablets with a horizontal slot in
the centre so it can be snapped in 2 to make 2 100mg doses. One of the
time-released versions is a plastic tube with a powder inside so they can't
be broken to produce part doses. I don't know which the Retard version is
like.
The DIRECT LINK to Ep. Foundation of America is http://www.efa.org .
WHEN you click to it (you can bookmark it there so it's available without
needing the www stuff each time) -- to the Right is a list of Hotlinks --
Click on Medications, then I think there's an item called Pregnancy Issues.
If not it'll ask for the name of the Medication you are looking for, type in
Tegretol or Carbamazepine and 'go' or whatever is there to take you to a
page with more detail. I like the efa site since Most of the pages, if
it's something you'd like a hardcopy of, there's an option either at top
right or bottom of page to 'print this page' and if you click on that, it'll
give you a Printable Version for a hardcopy to save.
I don't recall any advisory on the Canada Healthwatch printout my
Pharmacist gives me on Frisium (Clobazam) wrt. Pregnancy, and I haven't used
Lamotrigine (others 'around here' have and will give you an answer over next
2-3 days hopefully).
Both my pills (above) have advisories about care with use of Alcohol and
the pills, and the Tegretol had an advisory about not using Grapefruit Juice
either with it.
One of the Ladies around here will likely give you some answers over
next day or two. They might have some other websites of use also. G.R.
M - 02 Nov 2003 00:18 GMT
> **MY Tegretol CR 200mg are Orange Solid tablets with a horizontal slot in
>the centre so it can be snapped in 2 to make 2 100mg doses. One of the
>time-released versions is a plastic tube with a powder inside so they can't
>be broken to produce part doses. I don't know which the Retard version is
>like.
I *hope* they are both the same. I recently moved house necessitating a
change in GP, pharmacist and clinic. The script still just says Tegretol
Retard. I was previously on Tegretol XR but the new pharmacy has given
me Tegretol CR.
The pills look identical - as you say, it is an orange-beige tab with a
horizontal slot for dose halving. The carbamazepine is adsorbed onto an
inert compressed powder making up the solid pill. It is slowly released
from the surface of the powder as the pill is broken down in the
digestive tract.
I have never seen a plastic Tegretol pill or a picture of one. Even in
India, the Tegretol XR pills look the same as well, despite the
instructions being in Bengali!

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gaross - 02 Nov 2003 00:59 GMT
> > **MY Tegretol CR 200mg are Orange Solid tablets with a horizontal slot in
> >the centre so it can be snapped in 2 to make 2 100mg doses. One of the
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> Malcolm
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*** I don't recall which 'Tegretol' it was. It was someone posting in UK or
Europe? *Ours are the Orange solid one so they're the same. At least now I
know that XR, is same as 'Retard', which matches my 'CR' (Canada) when I
describe them to others.
The 'clear plastic one' was a hollow tube, as I said, that contained the
powder... They had posted about a year ago, to ask what these Clear Plastic
Tubes were that were leaving their bodies intact ... Let's not go there,
since we don't need to, for this 'Newbie' O.K. ? :-<
As long as we know that their type is the same as Ours, we're on the same
Medications and Wavelength, as it were. G.R.
(If anyone wants it, Somewhere on my Bookmarks -- Might be the efa.org site
I mentioned on another post--> you can enter the Med. you're looking for,
and as well as bringing up the stuff your Pharmacist (Chemist) should have
given you, the website Also includes a Photo of what the particular Tablet
looks like... With some of the pills it helps to know whether the
description is talking about a Gel Cap or a Solid Tablet like ours. And I
think some of the Tegretols, the Tablet Colour indicates the mgs. that the
tablet is composed of. )
AliCat - 02 Nov 2003 20:23 GMT
I've recently reduced my taking of tegretol
etard - was on 800mg and the aim was to come off
it completely as I changed to a different
medication. My doctor gave me carbamazepine (not
sure if it still had the brand name tegretol or
not) in 100mg and 200mg tablets, not the slow
release stuff. I then had much greater
flexibility over how I took it and how I cut it
down. I opted for cutting back by 100mg a
fortnight. Unfortunately I didn't get of it
completely as I had a seizure when I'd got down to
200mg a day. We've increased the medication that
is taking over (topiramate) and I haven't had any
more seizures. I'll leave it like this for a bit
(300mg topamax, 200mg carb) and then try to sack
the last bit of carbamazepine. I found this way
useful as you know exactly where you are with
everything and can tell if something does get too
low and you do need it.