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For gallantman45 about driving with seizures, my personal experience is a lot like yours

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bugs@bugs.com - 06 Sep 2006 04:35 GMT
Hello

I  have partial seizures.  For the first 28 years,   I just ignored
them.  Thev never caused me or others harm.  Then at age 40, when it
was medically diagnosed that I have complex partial seizures, i was put
on Tegretol.  I  have responded well to Tegretol.  It helps me with my
mood also.  Even though I was able to live independentl without meds,
it stil

My seizures feel sort like a "weird feeling' in my head.....that is
all.....no involuntary movements, no passing out, etc.

Keep in mind that my sizures are so minor that I just ignored them for
a long time.  I am able to do anything  *safely* during a
seizure,,,,,,including riding a motorcycle.

A local chapter of the EFA was having an organizational meeting at my
town recently. Only three people showed up.     I thought I could be of
great help.  When the nurse found out t hat I have cps, she went on
about what i cannot do, like drive, etc.  I HAVE BEEN DRIVING SAFELY
FOR MORE YEARS THAT THIS IGNORANT BROAD HAS BEEN ALIVE !!!

I know more about my own body than that  this ignorant bitch does.  She
have never seen me before.  In fact, she did even know my name !

Now, remember that I represented 33 % of the total audience.  I will
NEVER go back to another meeting of the local chapter again .  ((
assuming t hat  this chapter even survives)

Pre-judging.......that is where we get the word "prejudice".

Thanks for reading

Let me start by saying that I understand how you feel and everything you are
going through. I read the thread with heartfelt intrest because I have went
through just about everything you have and maybe even a little bit more. I
have made many of the same statements you have made. The one about the nurse
not even knowing you, was a classic, I suppose I have made that hundreds of
times about nurses, doctors, DMV employees when they pulled my license, and
many more.

Let me tell you a little about myself and what has happened that makes me
feel that we are somewhat in the same boat. I was having simple partial
seizures and was under control when I was working at a hotel with no
insurance. I got a job with a large National Pest Control company and had
insurance so I decided to go to a Neuro so in case something were to ever
happen I would be in "better hands!" The first thing this neuro did was
require me to take a month off work and not drive to show her I was willing
to work with her, so I did and the day she released me to go back to work
she wrote a letter to the DMV recommending the revocation of my driving
privledge. So I was without a drivers license for 2 years. The company held
my job for me and when I came back they were great to me, but the stress
from 2 years out of work and all that comes with that had caused me to just
about lose my family. Oh I did take some other jobs but it was hell finding
a job because I couldn't drive to work. Noone wanted to depend on someone
that rode a bicycle. So I got my license back and after about 15 more years
of driving without having no problems it hit me one day, a seizure whilst
driving and I totaled my truck. Thank God I was the only vehicle involved
and I only had minor injuries. That wasn't the end of things either, I
thought it was a fluke so I continued to drive until I had totaled the third
vehicle and I finally gave up my driving license. I too thought I could
drive while having a seizure without losing control but I was oh so wrong.

I am not telling you what to do, I am telling you to go with your heart. If
you feel you can drive then you have to do it, only remember if you ever do
go out of control like I did please don't go as long as I did, I will admit
it I was stupid I should have stopped after the first wreck, but like
superman I thought I was bulletproof and I found out different. You need to
do what is best for you. You came here for support and I will give you all
of the support I can give you because I have literally been in your shoes.
They don't know me how dare them to judge me, that is a statement that was
published in the newspaper from me, so you see we have made statements that
are a lot alike. What you have to remember is thay are not judging you they
are judging the epilepsy. I have also made statements such as epilepsy
doesn't have me I have it, Why should I be judged different than a person
with diabetes or heart problems, is it right to question me about my license
when you don't ask if a person has a drug or alcohol problem, Last year
there were X number of deaths related to alcohol how many were related to
seizures, New Years Eve you are driving home are you more worried about the
person driving down the road has been drinking or is having a seizure...etc
etc. I could go on and on with quotes I have made and yes they are all very
legitimate questions but now that I am where I am, they no longer apply to
me, however feel free to use them if you want in your defense.

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I wish you all the best
Tim Wise

www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com

howdydave - 06 Sep 2006 20:41 GMT
> Hello
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Howdy Tim / gallantman45!

Although you made a good argument for
simple partial seizures you nullified the
whole thing with your simple statement:

"When the nurse found out that I have cps..."

There is a BIG difference between simple and
complex partial seizures!

Every incident that you spoke of were SIMPLE partials...
You didn't say a word about your COMPLEX partials.

The thing that makes complex partials so dangerous
is the fact that you are not aware of having them.
In many cases (mine included) there is no aura or
any other type of preliminary warning.

You are driving down the street and the next thing
you know you are in an ambulance being informed
that you killed somebody 20 minutes ago.

If that approach doesn't do anything for you, try this
one...

Screw what the nurse said, what does the LAW in your
state say about driving with epilepsy?

If something happens and you are driving illegally, you
will probably be held criminally liable (even if it wasn't your
fault.)

Dave
bugs@bugs.com - 08 Sep 2006 05:09 GMT
> Howdy Tim / gallantman45!
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Dave I had copied Gallantman45's original post and was replying to him.

I happen to agree with you and what you say in your post is why I no longer
drive.

I was driving along thinking everything was ok and it had been for many
years when all of a sudden I go out of control and have a grand mal seizure
and total a truck. I thought it was a fluke so I kept on driving thinking it
wouldn't happen again, and like I said in my post I was stupid I went until
the third truck totaled before I finally gave up my drivers license. To be
honest with you Dave screw the Laws of my state I know in my heart and mind
what needs to be done and I am doing it now, I am not driving period! Even
if I were to get completely back under control I will not drive again
because of the simple fact that I was under control when I first had a wreck
and it could happen again. If I get in a vehicle to move it just from one
parking space to another one next to it that even scares me and I have
someone else do it. About the only time I drive anything is I drive my
JetSki still and have not had any problems with it but unlike a car it has
safety switches on it and if you let go of the throttle you will stop dead
in the water within 3 to 6 feet. So you see I don't care about the law but I
do abide by it. When I say I don't care about it I say that because I am
going one step further than what the law goes so I don't have to worry about
it so I don't care about it.

I used to say many of the thing gallantman45 was saying in his post and I
had many of the same feelings he had for many years, that is what I was
wanting him to know about me. I understand where he is coming from and I am
not going to tell him he can't drive because I know what it is like when
someone tells you that, it is devastating. I just hope that someday he
doesn't come back on here and tell us all about a horror story something
like what happened to me or many others that are way worse than mine. I hope
if he continues to drive he will do so safely and will not have any
accidents. I thought I could but I was wrong dead wrong. Maybe he can stay
under control and can drive safely for many many years we can't judge him.
What I also wanted him to know is the nurse wasn't judging him nor are any
of us judging him we are all judging the epilepsy. We all know what it is
capable of and we all know what should and should not happen in the real
worl or the perfect world but things sometimes are different and maybe he
can live outside of the norm and do just fine. I for one will not judge him,
I hope and wish him well.

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I wish you all the best
Tim Wise

www.onepest.com
www.askourpros.com

sherrybove@gmail.com - 08 Sep 2006 12:09 GMT
Epilepsy Surgery Can Lead To Memory Loss

Severe epilepsy that can't be controlled with anti-seizure medication
may require a brain operation, but in such cases there's apparently a
trade-off. Surgery, especially on the left temporal lobe, can results
in long-term loss of verbal memory, Dutch researchers report.
After repeated evaluation with a verbal test, the team found that
patients operated on the left side exhibited a decline in acquisition,
learning and in consolidation of verbal memories compared with those
treated on the right side.

i found information about the study from
http://www.epsdrugstore.com/9-7eps-Epilepsy-surgery-can-lead-to-memory-loss.htm
they have complete detail about  the study.

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G. - 08 Sep 2006 15:31 GMT
Hi.   The word 'may' in sentence one (below) is very important, as is
the word Severe (epilepsy).   A Doctor will not initiate surgery if
some of the parts of the brain control Primary items needed.   Lots of
pretesting would be used to determine which parts might be those
primaries, and the EEGs, MRIs and other tests would be done before
they'd proceed with an invasive operation like some types are.
   It's important they speak to their Dr. and Neuro and not
self-diagnose electronically (i.e. here).    All we can provide is
anecdotal information or things that we have encountered from personal
experience.
   Several areas of the brain have effects on memory.  My Short term
memory was affected by damage from Encephalitis in Right Temporal Lobe
long before I had seizures. That affects learning and concentration and
learning new things.  If an area were found to affect, eg. longer term
storage, and 'who we are' parts of the brain, the Doctors wouldn't
operate there.    The brain is a complex organ, and while many parts
will not Regrow or Self-heal, many things are still not well understood
about it.
   They do know however how to find which half of the brain is the
Dominant half (controls things like left or right handedness, etc.)
and determination of whether surgery would be possible or likely to
work would be done **long before you got near to where a surgery would
be done.

   Others here have had surgeries if they're still reading and may
reply over next week so check back periodically to see if other
comments have been added.   And keep us up to date on how you are
making out and your progress as many others read the group even if they
don't post (much).     Good luck with this,    G./

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