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shesand - 11 Feb 2006 16:35 GMT
My dog has recently been put on Phenobarbital again for his seizures.
This time around he is constantly whinning.  He could just be laying
down and start whinning. It is driving me crazy. He is also constantly
hungry...anyone got any suggestions????
wester@laway.net - 11 Feb 2006 19:25 GMT
>My dog has recently been put on Phenobarbital again for his seizures.
>This time around he is constantly whinning.  He could just be laying
>down and start whinning. It is driving me crazy. He is also constantly
>hungry...anyone got any suggestions????

Pheno is a depressant, which could account for the whining. Ask the
vet if there's an alternative med available.
shesand - 11 Feb 2006 19:44 GMT
well, I've asked before b.c he was hungry all the time, but the vet
said that he didn't want to change it if it's working....do you know
what I could give him for snacks that would be good for him?? I did
call the vet again the other day, and he said that if he continues to
whine, then on Monday to call him and let him know.
Julie - 11 Feb 2006 23:22 GMT
> well, I've asked before b.c he was hungry all the time, but the vet
> said that he didn't want to change it if it's working....do you know
> what I could give him for snacks that would be good for him?? I did
> call the vet again the other day, and he said that if he continues to
> whine, then on Monday to call him and let him know.

Interesting question.  I am on phenobarbital, but will be seeing my
neurologist the end of the month to start a new drug trial.  And by the
way I do whine, but it is more like complaining ;)

We have a dog (who doesn't have epilepsy).  When we got her she was very
over weight, so the vet told us how much food to give her.  It was very
difficult for us because she acted so ravenous when she ate, we figured
she must be starving.  This was so different from the way our previous
dog had been.  Our border collie had lived to be 14 and was the smartest
dog in the world.  We would put food and water in her dishes and not
even have to think about how much or when to fill her bowls, because she
would pick up her bowl and bring it to us when she needed more food or
water.

Our new dog,  Scout, is an australian shepherd healer mix.  She starts
to eat the food the second it hits the bowl.  I called our vet because I
was worried that she must be sooooo hungry.  He said that Scout is the
type of dog that thinks like a wild dog.  She is thinking this may be
her last meal, in other words it may be days before this wild dog can
find her next meal, so she is eating it as fast as she can.

So after the vet told us that we didn't worry about her anymore.  She
was able to lose her weight.  Now she is getting old, over 10 years old
now, she is an old lady in dog years.  When she got to this age the vet
had us decrease her food a little more so that she could lose about 5 to
10 more pounds.  They said that weight on an older dog is very hard on
their hips and joints.  So we followed the vets guidance and she lost
the weight.  When she went in for her checkup they were so proud of her
and said, oh look at that waist, she is looking good!

If the phenobarbital is helping your dog so he doesn't have seizures,
that is great.  I hope he can be your companion for many years to come.

Take care
Julie
wester@laway.net - 12 Feb 2006 02:02 GMT
>well, I've asked before b.c he was hungry all the time, but the vet
>said that he didn't want to change it if it's working....do you know
>what I could give him for snacks that would be good for him?? I did
>call the vet again the other day, and he said that if he continues to
>whine, then on Monday to call him and let him know.

Your vet doesn't want to change it because it's working. Yep. Typical
doctor. They had me on pheno so heavily that I went out and bought a
shotgun to do myself in. Yeah, that's a typical doc response.

If it works is one thing; if it kills the quality of life, it's time
for a different med.

Snack? Try a Dentabone. It's not only fun, it's healthy!
Dave Keays - 12 Feb 2006 04:27 GMT
>> well, I've asked before b.c he was hungry all the time, but the vet
>> said that he didn't want to change it if it's working....do you know
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>
> Snack? Try a Dentabone. It's not only fun, it's healthy!

What is their main goal? May you are confusing a Neurologist with a FeelGoodologist.

Only the patient can judge what's worse; the degradation caused by having
seizures or a constantly misfiring brain, or the degradation caused by
medication. If the doctor is too stuck-up to work with the patients then it's
time to get another doctor. BTW, there is no shortage of stuck-up neurologists
in my area but the others do exist.

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shesand - 12 Feb 2006 06:02 GMT
okay, well, I'm not saying that this time my vet won't change it, but I
just wanted to make it easier on my dog and me.  I didn't realize that
Pheno was a depressant. I don't remember the vet telling me that.
Anyway my dog not only has seizures, we just found out that he has a
heart murmur. So, I really need to help him lose some weight.
Dentabone? can you get that at any store? Are they expensive??
wester@laway.net - 12 Feb 2006 14:46 GMT
>okay, well, I'm not saying that this time my vet won't change it, but I
>just wanted to make it easier on my dog and me.  I didn't realize that
>Pheno was a depressant. I don't remember the vet telling me that.
>Anyway my dog not only has seizures, we just found out that he has a
>heart murmur. So, I really need to help him lose some weight.
>Dentabone? can you get that at any store? Are they expensive??

I'd see if the med could be changed to something else. Pheno is
dangerous (to me).

Dentabone should be available in your grocery's "Pet Products" aisle
and will provide hours of munching fun for your guy as well as
cleaning teeth, and yes, they're affordable.

BTW, what breed (or mix) is your pup?
shesand - 12 Feb 2006 16:51 GMT
he is a Chuhuahua
why do you say that Pheno is dangerous??
wester@laway.net - 12 Feb 2006 20:05 GMT
>he is a Chuhuahua
>why do you say that Pheno is dangerous??

Well, if he's a chihuahua, he's small and should be easy to find a
correct dosage.

Pheno is dangerous to me because it really acted as a depressent on my
system, to the point where I was ready to kill myself.
guitarmom - 13 Feb 2006 00:12 GMT
Dogs do not have as many med options for treating seizures anyway.
Pheno is usually the first drug tried. If that does not control they
add Potassium Bromide. Valium is also used sometimes.

Carrots are also a good "treat" for a dog. Dentabone are good but they
are not cheap if you need them daily. SOmetimes it just takes a dog
time to settle into the home. Will the dog use any other chew toys?
Toss a ball for it or play tug with something?

Pheno can make a dog sleepy, but I think that is it....

Hope you can get him to quit whining...
Gin
shesand - 13 Feb 2006 00:36 GMT
We've tried Carrots before and he doesn't like them. He will play with
his toys, but I'm trying to keep him active.
Thanks guys for all your tips!!
shesand - 13 Feb 2006 14:47 GMT
you guys probably thinking I'm crazy! I just realized this group wasn't
for Canine epilespy. I'm soooo sorry! Thanks guys for all your tips
though!
Julie - 14 Feb 2006 05:14 GMT
> you guys probably thinking I'm crazy! I just realized this group wasn't
> for Canine epilespy. I'm soooo sorry! Thanks guys for all your tips
> though!

No need to be sorry.  This gives us something else to focus on.  Being a
dog lover, I can appreciate your concern.  You mentioned in an earlier
post that you want to put your dog on a diet, good plan.  You would be
amazed how many people think they are doing what is best for their dogs,
when in fact they are shortening their life span.

Have you ever heard of a Kong dog toy?  They come in different sizes and
you can put a doggie bone inside.  The dog can chew on it for quite some
time trying to get the bisquit out.  Our dog really like hers.

Take care,
Julie
Liz MacDonald - 14 Feb 2006 13:39 GMT
> you guys probably thinking I'm crazy! I just realized this group wasn't
> for Canine epilespy. I'm soooo sorry! Thanks guys for all your tips
> though!

No problem! There once was a time when I was taking phenobarb. So was a
friend's dog.  We compared the tablets and there was no difference.  We
joked that if I was ever staying at his house and forgot my meds, I
could borrow from his dog.
Liz
shesand - 14 Feb 2006 15:03 GMT
I can't believe that! I thought that there might be some kind of
differnce, but I guess not

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