Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / October 2005
Depression, Suicide, and Epilepsy
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Researchers have found provocative evidence that the brain dysfunction that underlies epilepsy may also determine whether people are at risk for suicide.
Newswise - Researchers have found provocative evidence that the brain dysfunction that underlies epilepsy may also determine whether people are at risk for suicide. The study, published online October 10, 2005 in the Annals of Neurology (http://www.interscience.wiley.com/journal/ana), also suggests that depression and suicide may have different brain mechanisms.
"For reasons that are not understood, depression both increases the risk for developing epilepsy and is also common among people with epilepsy who experience many seizures," said lead author Dale C. Hesdorffer, Ph.D., of the Gertrude Sergievsky Center at Columbia University.
It has commonly been assumed that the difficulties associated with living with epilepsy could provoke depression, and in some cases, an increased risk of suicide, the authors write. But is harder to explain the opposite findings, that people who develop depression have a higher risk of later experiencing a first seizure.
While neuroscientists have postulated overlapping brain systems for depression and epilepsy, this evidence is still preliminary. In the present study, the researchers attempted to define more clearly the relationship between depression, suicide, and epilepsy.
"One question we had was whether some symptoms of depression were more important than others for increasing the risk for developing epilepsy," said Hesdorffer. "Suicidal thoughts and suicide attempt were possibilities, because people with epilepsy seem to be more likely to commit suicide than the general population. But we looked at all symptoms of depression."
Hesdorffer and colleagues compared data for both epilepsy and depression in 324 people with epilepsy and 647 control subjects.
A history of depression increased the risk of epilepsy, but the startling finding was that people with epilepsy were 4 times more likely to have attempted suicide before ever having a seizure, even after other factors were taken into account like drinking alcohol, having depression, age, and gender.
The individual presence of other symptoms of depression, whether common (e.g., depressed mood) or more rare (e.g., weight change) did not predict a greater likelihood of later seizures.
While this finding clearly suggests common underlying brain mechanisms for suicidal behavior and epilepsy, the results also suggest that depression and suicidal behavior may be related to different mechanisms.
"Increasingly, clinicians treating people with epilepsy ask about current depression, but they may not ask about past suicide attempt or suicidal thoughts," said Hesdorffer. "Our results may alert clinicians to the need to ask this question and offer any needed counseling to prevent the occurrence of later completed suicide."
"We plan to follow up with studies designed to see whether the co-occurrence of these disorders is explained by shared genetic susceptibility, and with studies that examine possible common underlying neurotransmitter abnormalities," said Hesdorffer.
Article: "Depression and Suicide Attempt as Risk Factors for Incident Unprovoked Seizures," Dale C. Hesdorffer, W. Allen Hauser, Elias Olafsson, Petur Ludvigsson, and Olafur Kjartansson, Annals of Neurology; Published Online: October 10, 2005 (DOI: 10.1002/ana.20685).
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Twittering One - 10 Oct 2005 22:51 GMT Researchers have found provocative evidence that the brain dysfunction that underlies epilepsy may also determine whether people are at risk for suicide.
Yeah. Too bad Topamax makes you stupid.
Twittering One - 10 Oct 2005 22:59 GMT Amphetamine withdrawal
does that, too. Know kiddin'.
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No kiddin' I am not playing games.
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Dear Cynthia R. Pfeffer, MD ~
I am really sick, without the ADHD meds. I need help. And this is an emergency. I am throwing up and having convulsions, And that is no joke.
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Sofia - 11 Oct 2005 22:55 GMT > Researchers have found provocative evidence that the brain dysfunction > that underlies epilepsy may also determine whether people are at risk > for suicide. > > Yeah. > Too bad Topamax makes you stupid. Although, I detect a hint of disbelief from your paragraph above, I can only say that it happened to me as a teenager. I know I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I overdosed on my own anti-convulsive medication when I was 18 years old, hoping I wouldn't wake up in the morning.
I stayed in hospital for 2 weeks to recover, as my plot failed, and now I'll be 40 in January, and have been happily married for over 18 years since I was married at 21 years of age.
In my case, I think Tom's right, and I don't think I'm the only person with epilepsy who's suffered from a suicide attempt - though may I again stress how I only believe this is a small % of us, and how I can only speak on my own behalf!
All the best
Sofie
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smiles69 - 24 Oct 2005 17:58 GMT I don't like to admit this, as I am not proud of it but I had a similar experince when I was 18, I swallowed rather alot of Phenotyan. These tabkets led to huge levels of depression, and like you thought it would be a good idea.
I am now 36 and happy, but still feel quite down at times. I still get mood swings and find I am either very positive or very unhapppy. I also cannot relax for the life of me.
Smiles
G.Ross - 26 Oct 2005 21:32 GMT >I don't like to admit this, as I am not proud of it but I had a similar > experince when I was 18, I swallowed rather alot of Phenotyan. These [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > cannot relax for the life of me. > Smiles I think Phenytoin is the generic name for what some other sites might call Dilantin? That is often prescribed first (depending on szr. type), since it's older, longer studied etc. *But it doesn't work for everyone. I was only able to use it 8-12 months before we moved to another med., specific for my type of szrs. (Complex Partials = Temporal Lobe was older name). I don't know if it would be better to ask about another pill (relaxant/tranquilizer type) to take with the Phenytoin, or to discuss whether there might be another (newer, so more money) pill that might however give better control without as many mood swings? I still had some of those when I first was using Tegretol (for my particular szr. type above), and there are other pills that can produce those effects too, while treating other seizure types. Also some of the seizure types themselves can produce Mood Swings just as part of the way they operate, or are triggered inside our heads. That's why sometimes a particular pill that might work for one person, might not do anything useful for someone else who's having a seizure start up in a different area. Did you tell your Doctor about these? Some Doctors are easier to talk to about these, but if they don't know about any mood swings or effects, they can't also doses or try other things that might help. It might help too to keep a 'pill log' and jot down the time and days any moods are happening. Sometimes an effect can happen when a longer period than usual since the last dose has passed. So blood levels get too low and produce some of the effects or moodswings that we might be experiencing. Also there could be other things we're doing, or foods etc. we're eating that might have additives that conflict with a particular pill. I don't remember the ones that might affect Phenytoin. Your Pharmacist who fills the prescriptions might have a printout they can get you, *or a website you can look up just to see if there are items that conflict with the pills. (You might have seen a post I did in last day or so to someone about Grapefruit conflicting with Tegretol. I found that by accident (I had one, and a seizure), before I was online and found a website that listed that particular conflict about 5 years ago, once I was online. That is now added to my Drugstore's Healthwatch printouts, provided when people fill new prescriptions of Tegretol. I wondered if there could be other things like that on Phenytoin that might be of special interest to you. G. /
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