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Depression, Suicide, and Epilepsy

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ironjustice@aol.com - 10 Oct 2005 20:38 GMT
Not too .. "surprising" .. when one looks at the link between oxidation
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Source: American Neurological Association (ANA)     Released: Mon
10-Oct-2005, 08:45 ET

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Surprising Links Between Depression, Suicide, and Epilepsy
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Researchers have found provocative evidence that the brain dysfunction
that underlies epilepsy may also determine whether people are at risk
for suicide.

Newswise - Researchers have found provocative evidence that the brain
dysfunction that underlies epilepsy may also determine whether people
are at risk for suicide. The study, published online October 10, 2005
in the Annals of Neurology
(http://www.interscience.wiley.com/journal/ana), also suggests that
depression and suicide may have different brain mechanisms.

"For reasons that are not understood, depression both increases the
risk for developing epilepsy and is also common among people with
epilepsy who experience many seizures," said lead author Dale C.
Hesdorffer, Ph.D., of the Gertrude Sergievsky Center at Columbia
University.

It has commonly been assumed that the difficulties associated with
living with epilepsy could provoke depression, and in some cases, an
increased risk of suicide, the authors write. But is harder to explain
the opposite findings, that people who develop depression have a higher
risk of later experiencing a first seizure.

While neuroscientists have postulated overlapping brain systems for
depression and epilepsy, this evidence is still preliminary. In the
present study, the researchers attempted to define more clearly the
relationship between depression, suicide, and epilepsy.

"One question we had was whether some symptoms of depression were more
important than others for increasing the risk for developing epilepsy,"
said Hesdorffer. "Suicidal thoughts and suicide attempt were
possibilities, because people with epilepsy seem to be more likely to
commit suicide than the general population. But we looked at all
symptoms of depression."

Hesdorffer and colleagues compared data for both epilepsy and
depression in 324 people with epilepsy and 647 control subjects.

A history of depression increased the risk of epilepsy, but the
startling finding was that people with epilepsy were 4 times more
likely to have attempted suicide before ever having a seizure, even
after other factors were taken into account like drinking alcohol,
having depression, age, and gender.

The individual presence of other symptoms of depression, whether common
(e.g., depressed mood) or more rare (e.g., weight change) did not
predict a greater likelihood of later seizures.

While this finding clearly suggests common underlying brain mechanisms
for suicidal behavior and epilepsy, the results also suggest that
depression and suicidal behavior may be related to different
mechanisms.

"Increasingly, clinicians treating people with epilepsy ask about
current depression, but they may not ask about past suicide attempt or
suicidal thoughts," said Hesdorffer. "Our results may alert clinicians
to the need to ask this question and offer any needed counseling to
prevent the occurrence of later completed suicide."

"We plan to follow up with studies designed to see whether the
co-occurrence of these disorders is explained by shared genetic
susceptibility, and with studies that examine possible common
underlying neurotransmitter abnormalities," said Hesdorffer.

Article: "Depression and Suicide Attempt as Risk Factors for Incident
Unprovoked Seizures," Dale C. Hesdorffer, W. Allen Hauser, Elias
Olafsson, Petur Ludvigsson, and Olafur Kjartansson, Annals of
Neurology; Published Online: October 10, 2005 (DOI: 10.1002/ana.20685).

The Annals of Neurology, the preeminent neurological journal worldwide,
is published by the American Neurological Association, the world's
oldest and most prestigious neurological association. The 1,500 members
of the ANA--selected from among the most respected academic
neurologists and neuroscientists in North America and other
countries--are devoted to furthering the understanding and treatment of
nervous system disorders. For more information, visit
http://www.aneuroa.org.

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Twittering One - 10 Oct 2005 22:51 GMT
Researchers have found provocative evidence that the brain dysfunction
that underlies epilepsy may also determine whether people are at risk
for suicide.

Yeah.
Too bad Topamax makes you stupid.
Twittering One - 10 Oct 2005 22:59 GMT
Amphetamine
withdrawal

does that, too.
Know kiddin'.
Twittering One - 10 Oct 2005 23:01 GMT
"Whine! Capsicum,
Need AD[Hi!]D meds ~ !

No kiddin'
I am not playing games.

Are you?"
~ Twittering
Twittering One - 10 Oct 2005 23:07 GMT
"9 October 2005

Dear Cynthia R. Pfeffer, MD ~

I am really sick, without the ADHD meds. I need help.
And this is an emergency. I am throwing up and having convulsions,
And that is no joke.

And no ER is going to give me amphetamines.
Leslie Seiden deletes my emails."

~ Virginia Hooper

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Sofia - 11 Oct 2005 22:55 GMT
> Researchers have found provocative evidence that the brain dysfunction
> that underlies epilepsy may also determine whether people are at risk
> for suicide.
>
> Yeah.
> Too bad Topamax makes you stupid.

Although, I detect a hint of disbelief from your paragraph above, I can
only say that it happened to me as a teenager. I know I can't speak for
anyone but myself, but I overdosed on my own anti-convulsive medication
when I was 18 years old, hoping I wouldn't wake up in the morning.

I stayed in hospital for 2 weeks to recover, as my plot failed, and now
I'll be 40 in January, and have been happily married for over 18 years
since I was married at 21 years of age.

In my case, I think Tom's right, and I don't think I'm the only person
with epilepsy who's suffered from a suicide attempt - though may I again
stress how I only believe this is a small % of us, and how I can only
speak on my own behalf!

All the best

Sofie

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smiles69 - 24 Oct 2005 17:58 GMT
I don't like to admit this, as I am not proud of it but I had a similar
experince when I was 18, I swallowed rather alot of Phenotyan. These
tabkets led to huge levels of depression, and like you thought it would be
a good idea.

I am  now 36 and happy, but still feel quite down at times. I still get
mood swings and find I am either very positive or very unhapppy. I also
cannot relax for the life of me.

Smiles
G.Ross - 26 Oct 2005 21:32 GMT
>I don't like to admit this, as I am not proud of it but I had a similar
> experince when I was 18, I swallowed rather alot of Phenotyan. These
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> cannot relax for the life of me.
> Smiles

  I think Phenytoin is the generic name for what some other sites might
call Dilantin?  That is often prescribed first (depending on szr. type),
since it's older, longer studied etc.  *But it doesn't work for everyone.
I was only able to use it 8-12 months before we moved to another med.,
specific for my type of szrs. (Complex Partials = Temporal Lobe was older
name).
  I don't know if it would be better to ask about another pill
(relaxant/tranquilizer type) to take with the Phenytoin,  or to discuss
whether there might be another (newer, so more money) pill that might
however give better control without as many mood swings?   I still had some
of those when I first was using Tegretol (for my particular szr. type
above),   and there are other pills that can produce those effects too,
while treating other seizure types.
   Also some of the seizure types themselves can produce Mood Swings just
as part of the way they operate, or are triggered inside our heads.   That's
why sometimes a particular pill that might work for one person, might not do
anything useful for someone else who's having a seizure start up in a
different area.
   Did you tell your Doctor about these?  Some Doctors are easier to talk
to about these, but if they don't know about any mood swings or effects,
they can't also doses or try other things that might help.    It might help
too to keep a 'pill log'  and jot down the time and days any moods are
happening.  Sometimes an effect can happen when a longer period than usual
since the last dose has passed. So blood levels get too low and produce some
of the effects or moodswings that we might be experiencing.
   Also there could be other things we're doing, or foods etc. we're eating
that might have additives that conflict with a particular pill.    I don't
remember the ones that might affect Phenytoin.   Your Pharmacist who fills
the prescriptions might have a printout they can get you, *or a website you
can look up just to see if there are items that conflict with the pills.
 (You might have seen a post I did in last day or so to someone about
Grapefruit conflicting with Tegretol.  I found that by accident (I had one,
and a seizure), before I was online and found a website that listed that
particular conflict about 5 years ago, once I was online.  That is now added
to my Drugstore's Healthwatch printouts, provided when people fill new
prescriptions of Tegretol.    I wondered if there could be other things like
that on Phenytoin that might be of special interest to you. G. /
 
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