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jacko - 02 Oct 2005 23:53 GMT
Hi I am new to this group and just wanted to find out what side effects
people were suffering whilst on Tegretol.I am 35 and had 4 grand mals
when I was a teenager and have had two or three grand mals every year
since. I am on 800mg a day of Tegretol and the side effects I have been
suffering for all these years are:

·    excessive tiredness
·    long and short term memory have disappeared
·    unable to concentrate
·    lack of drive or enthusiasm
·    not wanting to interact with people
·    bad balance
If any one has these side effects on Tegretol or any other ones I would
like to read about them
Thanks
G.Ross - 03 Oct 2005 00:44 GMT
Your Pharmacy should have given a page with new prescription of this, but
I'll add some below that would be included.  General medications site is on
U.S. Ep. Foundation website at http://efa.org , when you go to medications,
you type in the name and then click 'go' or 'search' ? (after entry box),
and it should give a one page summary, you can print, with respect to
Tegretol (Carbamazepine).
 I'll put main stuff I've found below at **s.  G./

Hi I am new to this group and just wanted to find out what side effects
people were suffering whilst on Tegretol.I am 35 and had 4 grand mals
when I was a teenager and have had two or three grand mals every year
since. I am on 800mg a day of Tegretol and the side effects I have been
suffering for all these years are:
*** I assume these are time released?  Tegretol XR or CR, some of the
'British' versions call it Tegretol Retard also.  Plain Tegretol is rarely
used anywhere now.   If your pills are not Time Released, you could ask the
Dr. if you could use those.  They keep a stable blood level longer, even if
you are early or late on dose timing by plus or minus 4-6 hours.
  Where you can, take them as close to schedule Dr. has suggested, and do
*not stop taking them promptly, or Miss doses, or there's risk of worse
szrs. from abrupt stopping.
  Take it with milk, food or juice, **but not Grapefruit Juice or any of
its products --> one of the acids in G.Fruit interferes with Tegretol
functioning and absorption.   I use a blend of Apple/Peach or Apple Apricot
I can get here, then follow with my Breakfast in AM, and just the Juice at
night with that dose. (Check any juice blends don't contain G.fruit in
them.)
   Avoid or be careful with Alcohol.   It has a 'non-linear footprint' with
Tegretol,  where 2 drinks behave like 3, 3 like 5, etc.  and it also flushes
the blood levels of the Tegretol quicker than you want.   After I had been
using it for more than several months, I could periodically have the *odd
glass of wine, but by then I didn't like the taste any longer, and it was
just as easy to have Sprite or 7 Up while others (if it was a party) were
having alcohol.  /

· excessive tiredness
*** This could be a side effect of the med., but if you're not now taking
the AM dose with Milk, Food or Juice, try that as it slows the rate it is
absorbed, so might reduce tired effects of the whole dose being absorbed too
quickly.  /

· long and short term memory have disappeared
*** Did you have memory trouble before?  Some of the locations where the
seizures might start (like my Rt. Temporal Lobe), can affect memory on their
own, and the effects you feel could be from the source? of your szrs. and
may not be from the pills.   On the other hand too,  if the dose is higher
than you needed, that can produce a 'brain fog' or feeling of confusion too.
   When I started mine (Tegretol),  we set a morning and night dose, then
if I still had szrs. we adjusted one or the other dose upward by half a
tablet until we got to a stable level, where I also had full control.   (I
haven't needed a dose change now since 1996.)  /
· unable to concentrate
*** Some of above can come from damage to one of the temporal lobes too,
like above. But a dose level that's too high could affect that too.   The
Dr. should have tests on file on whether you had that before starting with
the pill.   /

· lack of drive or enthusiasm
· not wanting to interact with people
· bad balance
**** Some of above symptoms can arise from the area of the szrs., but also
(like the balance one) by temporary too high med. levels in the bloodstream.
/

If any one has these side effects on Tegretol or any other ones I would
like to read about them
Thanks

*** I listed above some of the symptoms I have had or still have, from my
**Complex Partial** type szrs (formerly called Temporal Lobe seizures).
They are *not because of the Tegretol CR but are symptoms of that type of
szr.    If you see one of Julie's Posts still up,  at end she lists the
Idaho Website she has developed.   Click onto it, bookmark it, then  look
for the First Aid for Seizures chart.   Under each szr. type it lists what
the symptoms and feelings are and you'll see e.g. under Complex Partial,
that some of the memory and 'deja vu'  or 'jamais vu' feelings can be part
of either a szr. that starts in the Right Temporal Lobe (mine) or the Left
one.
 I think some of the other szr. types can affect memory functioning too,
but Tegretol is usually used for CP (Temporal Lobe) szrs. more than some of
the other szr. types.  .  G./
turbinado - 03 Oct 2005 01:32 GMT
Hi Jacko, welcome to the group.
My seizures started almost 20 years ago, in my early 20s. At first I got
grand mals, which evolved into complex partials a few years ago.
I've been on Tegretol for 3 years (after trying Dilantin and Topamax, which
I couldn't tolerate) and it's caused most of the effects you mentioned,
especially the memory and concentration problems. There are so many "files
deleted" from my memory, sometimes it's scary. My long-term memory seems to
have been affected the most, but the short- and medium-term have also
deteriorated significantly, and I feel that my IQ has gone down by at least
25%. Seizures also affect these things, so it's hard to say with certainty
that the Tegretol is to blame, but I believe it is.
I've also had a big problem with tolerance: each dosage level would work for
a few months, then the seizures would come back and I'd have to increase the
dose again. I'm now on 1000 mg per day and refused to go any higher. I was
afraid it would make me unable to work, or enjoy life.
I had surgery (right temporal lobectomy) in March and have been seizure-free
since, and my neuro says I can try reducing after a full year. I can't wait!
Best wishes,
Hilary

Hi I am new to this group and just wanted to find out what side effects
people were suffering whilst on Tegretol.I am 35 and had 4 grand mals
when I was a teenager and have had two or three grand mals every year
since. I am on 800mg a day of Tegretol and the side effects I have been
suffering for all these years are:

· excessive tiredness
· long and short term memory have disappeared
· unable to concentrate
· lack of drive or enthusiasm
· not wanting to interact with people
· bad balance
If any one has these side effects on Tegretol or any other ones I would
like to read about them
Thanks
Mike - 03 Oct 2005 05:10 GMT
Hi, I'm 200mg of Tegretol time release a day, as for side effects,

· excessive tiredness - if I sit down for more than a couple minutes I fall
asleep, anytime, anywhere.
· long and short term memory have disappeared - I was going to comment but
forgot what I was going to say, put it this way I go through a pad of
post-it notes a week at work (make notes, notes and more notes)
· unable to concentrate - If I have no distractions I can do ok but any
distractions at all and I forget what I was doing
· lack of drive or enthusiasm - Ask my wife, she'll tell you all about it
· not wanting to interact with people - I'd rather stay home or maybe go out
with one or two good friends but I don't like large groups
· bad balance - I don't usually have a problem with that.
I will add that when ever I have reduced my dosage these side effects
diminish substantially and if I increase them I become a total dope.
Note that 4 or 5 years ago I had a temporal lobectomy and that increased the
memory problems slightly.  It also stopped my seizures too so I'm not
complaining.

Mike
KB - 03 Oct 2005 13:56 GMT
I am on 400mg XR a day. I hate the side effects. I can't seem to tolerate
anything else though. I have all the same symptoms you have. I hate feeling
tired with 4 kids. i can't keep up. I do feel better when I exercise
regularly. I'm really dopy on these meds. I get embarrassed when talking to
some people when i sound like such an idiot. I have trouble putting the
right words together.
Kris
Hi I am new to this group and just wanted to find out what side effects
people were suffering whilst on Tegretol.I am 35 and had 4 grand mals
when I was a teenager and have had two or three grand mals every year
since. I am on 800mg a day of Tegretol and the side effects I have been
suffering for all these years are:

· excessive tiredness
· long and short term memory have disappeared
· unable to concentrate
· lack of drive or enthusiasm
· not wanting to interact with people
· bad balance
If any one has these side effects on Tegretol or any other ones I would
like to read about them
Thanks
Jim Garland - 03 Oct 2005 14:39 GMT
Hi Jacko
The side effects are very similar to mine.
I have been on Tegritol for 16 years..800mgs or CR 400 in the mornin and 400
after dinner.
I have a few things that happen and one is being very tired..but I do find
that if I push myself and get up and get active then in most cases I am good
to go ..
but after this many years I have realized that there are times I need to
lay down and rest and I do now....I think it is called listening to one's
body!
other symptoms are  minor depression,when I get down I seem to be at a fork
and can go into a deeper depression or do something positive quickly to get
myself out.I have 2 very active kids 10 yrs and 12yrs old so they are
keeping me hopping with horses and hockey.

My advice is try not to concentrate too much on the symptoms and learn to
live your life in a bit more positive manner...very easy advice to give but
hard for all of us"including me" to do....
If we focus on epilepsy and symptoms and dosages and potential problems
...then we are adding to the problem...
If you can learn to relax more and if you forget something be like me...I
simply blame it on the meds!!
cheers and hang in there.
remember
you have epilepsy ....epilepsy doesn't have you!!!!!!
Hi I am new to this group and just wanted to find out what side effects
people were suffering whilst on Tegretol.I am 35 and had 4 grand mals
when I was a teenager and have had two or three grand mals every year
since. I am on 800mg a day of Tegretol and the side effects I have been
suffering for all these years are:

· excessive tiredness
· long and short term memory have disappeared
· unable to concentrate
· lack of drive or enthusiasm
· not wanting to interact with people
· bad balance
If any one has these side effects on Tegretol or any other ones I would
like to read about them
Thanks
gomper - 03 Oct 2005 18:35 GMT
>  My advice is try not to concentrate too much on the symptoms and learn to
> live your life in a bit more positive manner...very easy advice to give but
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>  If you can learn to relax more and if you forget something be like me...I
> simply blame it on the meds!!

Hi all. I couldn't agree more. I've been waiting for someone (or myself)
to say something like JG does in the above. I'm not much into positive
thinking in the newage-ish sense, but JG's attitude goes far beyond and
deeper than that.
Having epilepsy, seizures and medical side-effects are all bad enough,
but what makes things ten times worse, is what my (or one's) mind
constantly keeps adding to it. Your own mind can make you sick (sicker),
but thinking is not getting you anywhere. Epilepsy is for real, you are
for real, worrying is not for real, it's just a part of the constantly
spinning, never relaxing minds. Trying to accept things as they are,
accepting your life as it is, seems to be the biggest source of relief,
to me at least. Anxiety, worrying and depressions may be a result of our
diseases, but they are none the less just happening in your mind. What
is happening here and now is the only thing we can be sure of. What has
happened, is no longer here. Neither is what is going to happen.
Planning may be a good thing, worrying is not. It's pretty much like
going on a holiday. Making sure you've got your things packed, that
you've got your ticket, your passport etc. is a smart thing to do. So is
taking your pills, avoiding holiday activities that may cause a seizure,
likewise. Getting anxious and worried about scenarios like "what if I
miss the bus?", "what if my plane crashes?", "what if it will rain all
the time when I get there?" is not only a very unsmart (?) thing to do,
but may even be harmful to your mental/and or physical health. Live now,
be happy and drink a lot of water. But, like JG says, very easy advice
to give but hard for all of us. I'm not at all saying that I am living
as I'm preaching, but when I happen do to so, my life runs soooo much
smoother.
Sorry if this got a bit OT. Sorry if this got a bit too long, too, but I
 just couldn't help it, I guess.

deep bows
/\
ole k

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If a problem can be solved, then what is the need of worrying?

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E.B. - 06 Oct 2005 03:54 GMT
Amen gomper and Amen Jim Garland.  You have to make yourself enjoy
life.  Having seizures really sucks, but living with them for 30 years
has taught me many positive things and made my life simple to deal
with.  I have had massive memory loss.  I have to say to heck with it
and go on.  I have terrible medication side effects.  I grin and bear
it.  My seizures have destroyed 2 marriages.  Piss on it.  I lost 3
jobs in a row for seizures, EEOC says I could have each back each time,
but who wants to work in a hostile atmosphere?  I have taken Effexor
for major depression for 8 years and am now finally coming off of it.
I feel drunk as a monkey for the last 3 weeks and had to temporarily
quit my part-time job.  I just am bound and determined now to say I am
going to live my life as normal as possible and say to heck with the
setbacks and don't mull over them. I even graduated from college in
August after 23 years and 3 big stabs of going at it.  I don't measure
my lifetime's successes by comparing with others, I just accomplish
things for myself.  Not being a materialistic person makes my life even
more happy.  Get busy living, or just keep on dying, is the choice we
have to make.

As far as Tegretol is concerned, as some may have read already, I took
it for 15 years and it never worked totally and then just quit working
altogether.  The side effects were terrible, too.  So much for my
sermon.  As you are all falling asleep now, we will have a benediction.
I always tell myself now to ____ it and go on.  I know the swearing
doesn't help, but it temporarily eases frustration.

E.B.
smiles69 - 18 Oct 2005 13:24 GMT
I have been taking this drug for around 20 years. I take 1200mg per day. I
have found this message board a god send as I have been wondering about a
number of related issues linked to these pills. I have a mixture of
seizures, around 4/5 grand mall, plus lots of absentcies, but mainly petit
mall seizures. I suffer from the following:

Excessive tiredness
Excessive effects from drinking small ammounts of alchohol
Lack of sex drive
Confusion/loss of speech
Nerves
Lack of drive for interaction

I would really appreciate any feedback, as I am considering a tablet
change and wonderred of there is any new drugs
Patsy and Darryl - 18 Oct 2005 23:07 GMT
>I have been taking this drug for around 20 years. I take 1200mg per day. I
> have found this message board a god send as I have been wondering about a
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> I would really appreciate any feedback, as I am considering a tablet
> change and wonderred of there is any new drugs

Hi,

I also take 1200mg of tegretol. Along with 1800mg Neurontin and 2000mg
Epilim and 10mg Clobazam.
I feel tired a lot, but also have nights where I just can't sleep.
I find alcohol has double effects on me - one glass of alcohol has the
effect of two, so I get drunk very fast.
Absolutely no lack of sex drive - fortunately my wife is the same ;-)
Occasional confusion and inability to find the correct words.
Occasional jittery feeling and paranoia.
Uninterested in interacting with others. (This has only come about since my
brain surgery).

I don't know what alternative drugs there are to take instead. I think
Keppra is one that some people use instead - though I may be wrong. Keppra
isn't available here in New Zealand, so I know nothing about it sorry.
Others on the group may be able to give you more info on that one.

Darryl.
E.B. - 21 Oct 2005 16:25 GMT
Hello again,

I would drink like a sieve if I could, but I have been dry for 18
years.  Tegretol does make you get tanked quicker, and I got drunker
faster than Cooter Brown while mixing it with alcohol.  A word of
advice to the wise from a Tennessee redneck:  Don't mix the two!  Just
a rule of thumb to know that a neuro. related to me.  He said remember
that as a person with epilepsy: "One drink won't hurt anybody.  Two
drinks will kill YOU."  I had grand mals just after two big swigs from
a bottle or two beers so may times I finally learned my lesson.

Cheers,

E.B.
G.Ross - 21 Oct 2005 04:41 GMT
>I have been taking this drug for around 20 years. I take 1200mg per day. I
> have found this message board a god send as I have been wondering about a
> number of related issues linked to these pills. I have a mixture of
> seizures, around 4/5 grand mall, plus lots of absentcies, but mainly petit
> mall seizures.
** That's a relatively large dose of Tegretol (you probably know), but it
might be needed for *your type of seizure.  I assume it's a controlled
release type-> Tegretol CR or XR?  If it's not, you could ask the Dr. if you
might be able to use a reduced amount after slowly going to one of those
types. They keep a more stable blood level over longer period without highs
or lows, so you can take scheduled doses plus or minus several hours of the
time it's due and still keep control.
  *My type of seizures were Complex Partial, so comments I make are wrt.
that type, and a Grand Mal treatment might be different.  When I lost
control using 400mg each AM and 400mg each night, we slowly removed the
*night dose and replaced it with Frisium (Clobazam) that had just been
approved for use in Canada (half a tablet=5mg, then a full tablet about 5
weeks later when control was lost again).   When I had some more CP Seizures
about 6 months later we added half a tablet to AM Tegretol (as above), and
months later did a full tablet.   Last CP seizure I had was June 1998.
   (At onset in 1993, they told me to hope for 2-3 szrs. a month based on
damage from Encephalitis I had several years before that.)
   These are both specific to my treatment for Temporal Lobe damage.
*Your's might be occurring somewhere else, so above might not work for you.
But the lower dose of Tegretol CR and Frisium doesn't produce any of the
Brain Fog I used to have at onset or using just Tegretol.
   **Note that Tegretol (for one), and possibly some other pills, don't
Like Alcohol.  It is supposed to have a 'non-linear footprint'  (I saw at
one site), where one drink might be like 1, but 2 behave like 3, 3 drinks
like 5, etc.   Also the Alcohol might defeat the benefits you have from a
proper dose of the Tegretol, and wash it out quicker than if you just had
juice or ??.
 While I think of it, in case you missed a post I did a few days ago, *no
Grapefruit with Tegretol.  One of the acids in that messes up the
Functioning of Tegretol.  Any other Juice is OK.  /G.

I suffer from the following:
> Excessive tiredness
G. (A large dose of Tegretol *might produce that.)

> Excessive effects from drinking small ammounts of alchohol
> Lack of sex drive

> Confusion/loss of speech
> Nerves
> Lack of drive for interaction
G.  I haven't seen any of the last 3 listed as a problem from Tegretol,
unless the Confusion part is a result of too high a dosage for your weight
and absorption rate?  Or could that be a symptom of the particular type of
seizures you have? I don't have experience with that type, so either the
Doctor or someone else here would have to comment about that type. /

> I would really appreciate any feedback, as I am considering a tablet
> change and wonderred of there is any new drugs

G.  See my comment at top about Clobazam.   It's newer, has less side
effects? and might allow you to slowly reduce some of the Tegretol if the
Dr. thought that might work for your type. It *might be a drug specific to
Complex Partial type seizures, as an Add-on med.  That's why a Dr. would
have to tell you if it might work at all for you.   If it only helps with
Temporal Lobe-based szrs.(mine)  it might not be any use to you.  (You'd
also want the Dr. to supervise any reductions you do e.g. if  you added
Frisium or another med.,  as the reduction of Tegretol has to be done
*slowly, and best with the Dr. watching over you as you do it. As I removed
the night dose of 2 tablets, that was done over about 8 weeks. )   hth.
  **If you find something that works, don't forget to come back and tell
us, as lots of people read the group for information, and you might save
someone else a long search.  G.   /
smiles69 - 23 Oct 2005 17:33 GMT
Dear ALL,

Thank you for taking th time to respond with some very udeful data. I was
surprised to find that certain side effects were so common across the
replies. I did not now that alchol was had a "linear" effect, but that
explains a lot.

The distrubed sleep and extreme tirdness is also common place. I have have
also noted all the combinations people use to reduce the main effects of
Tegratol. I have also been putting a summary togethwr of the following, in
view of a up and coming visit with the specialist at Oxford.

Type of Seizure
What time of the day
What was I doing
Length of seizure
Following side effects

This information should help with a better diagnoses, with the summary of
the side effects.

Thanks Again
Ross
G.Ross - 24 Oct 2005 21:06 GMT
> Dear ALL,
> Thank you for taking th time to respond with some very udeful data. I was
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Thanks Again
> Ross

 I don't know if some of the information about a medication and its use
would be better received from the pharmacy where you get the prescription
filled or your neuro.   I am 'puzzled'  that you're using 1.2 Grams (1200mg)
while my highest dose was 2x400mg a day = 800mg (0.8gram), and your **Doctor
or Pharmacy hadn't told you about Alcohol and Tegretol, or other things that
might compromise it.   Do they just write the prescriptions and send you
away, and not tell you how to monitor your treatment?
   You will learn first-hand experiences here with some of us who might
have used the same pills as you, or for similar things, but maybe I was just
lucky.   I don't understand why the Doctor or the Pharmacy isn't providing
information about something as strong as Tegretol, where if you stopped
using it promptly,  or had it's benefits compromised by alcohol,  that you
could trigger worse seizures than what you were trying to control, and why
they hadn't told you that.
  I was assuming that when you started using the pills, that you didn't
start at that high a dosage?  When I was using mine, I started with an AM
and Night dose that was low (100mg each - half a tablet),  and only over
about 2-3 years did I move to 400mg each AM and each night, then Back to
just in the Morning with a second pill in place of the night dose.
  My blood levels and health etc. were monitored *closely during that time
by the Neuro who was treating me, plus I got information about the Pills and
their use (alcohol etc.) from the Pharmacy since Windows 95 was 2 years from
being invented at that time, and I didn't own a computer.   The stuff I
wrote earlier about Tegretol, etc. were things I learned from my Pharmacy or
my Doctor.
 I think the only thing I can recall learning around here was about the
conflict between Tegretol and Grapefruit Juice (now also on printout at my
pharmacy),  and the First Aid Information for people around me to use,  if I
had a seizure.
   Other than that, the group has been largely a Social Network, to show us
there are people like us, who are having some of the same problems or
troubles with either seizure control, or what we've found on our own that
*might help someone else and prevent them having to stumble around until
they find which things could help them get control or manage to live with
less irritation from others or uncontrolled seizures.     Anyway,   that's
another value of this group.     G./.
Karl Magnacca - 22 Oct 2005 20:57 GMT
> I am on 800mg a day of Tegretol and the side effects I have been
> suffering for all these years are:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> ·     not wanting to interact with people
> ·     bad balance

I get all of these, though it's hard to tell which are due to the
Tegretol and which to the seizures themselves.  I know a lot of people
have lots more seizures than I do (1-2 per month) and I haven't heard of
many problems, but it seems like my balance, memory, typing, and speech
get worse with each seizure.  Smiles69 mentioned some others:

> Excessive effects from drinking small ammounts of alchohol
> Lack of sex drive
> Confusion/loss of speech
> Nerves

The effect of alcohol is commonly mentioned; I've found that one drink
will make me very tired and two will practically put me to sleep, but
don't really make me drunk the way other people are.  Lack of sex drive
is something that seems to come and go in periods of six months or so.  
Confusion is something that is very frustrating; it's like my brain
can't work as fast as my mouth, and I stumble over words a lot.  Nerves
isn't a problem for me though.  If anything I have less than most people
I know.

It's interesting that other people mention lack of drive, as that's
something I've have for a long time but hadn't heard of it as a side
effect before.  I have a hard time getting up to do just about anything
(the place I live doesn't help, as you have to very much create your own
things to do).

> I would really appreciate any feedback, as I am considering a tablet
> change and wonderred of there is any new drugs

I started taking Lamictal along with Carbatrol (generic Tegretol XR),
and it's been a big help.  It counters the drowsiness effect of Tegretol
very effectively, though the amount you take has to be balanced right.  
I've found that if I take more than I do now it affects my sleep and I
get very frightening dreams - not in the sense of being scary, but
feeling real.  But at the current level I have normal dreams and sleep
is "satisfying", whereas under Tegretol alone I found my dreams were
incredible bland and I would wake up after 8-10 hours of sleep and still
feel tired.

I wonder if you can get somewhat "dependent" on it though.  A few months
ago I broke out in a rash all over my torso and went to see my doctor
(Lamictal, and other aeds, can cause a "rash" in which the entire top
layer of your skin sloughs off).  She told me to stop taking the
Lamictal, even though five minutes on the internet can show that a)
virtually all the reactions to Lamictal occur in the first two weeks of
taking it, and I've been taking it for 3 years, and b) the symptoms of a
reaction to Lamictal are nothing like what I had (Mary, are you out
there?).  I lasted about two days without Lamictal, because I was so
incredibly tired that I just couldn't stand it (plus I had looked
everything up on my own and found that it wasn't the problem).

Karl
Mike Kelliher - 05 Nov 2005 04:56 GMT
This may sound odd but THANK GOD!!!!
It actually sounds like a lot of the issues I have are medication related,
from what you all say.
The Dr. has asked me to try to stop taking tegretol as he feels that it
isn't doing much for me. But I am afraid of them being wrong. I have never
had a seizure at work, actually I have not had a grand mal in about 6 to 7
years but I do have petit mals/abscence(sp?) weekly or so. I would hate to
have a grand mal again due to the whim of a Dr. I may have to reconsider
this.
thanks all.
mike

Hi I am new to this group and just wanted to find out what side effects
people were suffering whilst on Tegretol.I am 35 and had 4 grand mals
when I was a teenager and have had two or three grand mals every year
since. I am on 800mg a day of Tegretol and the side effects I have been
suffering for all these years are:

· excessive tiredness
· long and short term memory have disappeared
· unable to concentrate
· lack of drive or enthusiasm
· not wanting to interact with people
· bad balance
If any one has these side effects on Tegretol or any other ones I would
like to read about them
Thanks
Karl Magnacca - 05 Nov 2005 05:32 GMT
"Mike Kelliher" <psgt777@comcast.net> wrote:
> This may sound odd but THANK GOD!!!!
> It actually sounds like a lot of the issues I have are medication
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> so. I would hate to have a grand mal again due to the whim of a Dr. I
> may have to reconsider this.

I don't want to judge your decision, but I would gladly risk a grand mal to
find out if I was taking it unnecessarily.  If you haven't ever missed
taking it for more than a day then you might not remember what it's like to
be normal; I didn't when I briefly switched meds.  It's like coming out
from under a veil.

Karl
G.Ross - 05 Nov 2005 05:51 GMT
>> This may sound odd but THANK GOD!!!!
>> It actually sounds like a lot of the issues I have are medication
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> from under a veil.
> Karl

 But each of us reacts differently depending on the seizure type and the
medication.  For the ~10 years I've been using Tegretol CR in varying doses
(as I had more szrs. or we changed doses described on another post I just
did on this thread),  I only had a short period of 'brain fog' *once.  I had
none of any side effects that others have described here from time to time.
  Some of the symptoms he described sounded more like symptoms of the
particular area where his Seizure Focus might be, or the type of szr. he
once had?  and not necessarily the Fault of the Tegretol.   I was still
concerned about the Doctor saying 'OK just stop taking it then....'.  Or
that's what the post sounded like.   If that was really the case, he could
end up with some new seizures and not know if it was from the Prompt
Stopping I described there,  or because his type of seizures had changed.
G./
Malcolm - 05 Nov 2005 08:56 GMT
>  But each of us reacts differently depending on the seizure type and the
>medication.  For the ~10 years I've been using Tegretol CR in varying doses
>(as I had more szrs. or we changed doses described on another post I just
>did on this thread),  I only had a short period of 'brain fog' *once.  I had
>none of any side effects that others have described here from time to time.

Yes, but the brain fog is insidious and you don't realise it's there and
how far it's got because of it's very nature. It's only when you remove
it that the 'lights come back on' ...and then you realise how different
it is without it and how much damage is done by long term use :(

IME the following disappear after stopping meds:

brain fog
Excessive effects from drinking small amounts of alcohol
lack of drive or enthusiasm
Lack of sex drive
unable to concentrate

And IME, the following STAY even after medication stops :(

Excessive tiredness
long and short term memory have disappeared
not wanting to interact with people
Confusion/loss of speech
Weight gained due to lassitude whilst on meds :) !

>   Some of the symptoms he described sounded more like symptoms of the
>particular area where his Seizure Focus might be, or the type of szr. he
>once had?  and not necessarily the Fault of the Tegretol.  

There is no damage/scarring/lesions on my MRI at all, to the point where
the neurologist asked me whether I wanted to take it home!

>I was still
>concerned about the Doctor saying 'OK just stop taking it then....'.  

Yes that's silly - I reduced mine every so gently by myself because if I
did it under medical supervision I'd have to surrender my driving
licence for two years. If you cold turkey it then the effects are
potentially more serious than coming off smack without methadone.

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G.Ross - 05 Nov 2005 13:55 GMT
>>  But each of us reacts differently depending on the seizure type and the
>>medication.  For the ~10 years I've been using Tegretol CR in varying
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> it that the 'lights come back on' ...and then you realise how different
> it is without it and how much damage is done by long term use :(

Maybe there is more than one type of Fog...  My type of fog (what I meant),
was mine was more like I was seeing and hearing the world through a cloud,
so while someone was saying "Do you want some more coffee, and they said
we're going to have an election, what do you think?",  I might hear  "Do you
<sound sound>  coffee?  and they <muffle muffle>  What do you think?"
   So that's where I could identify with sensations of being out of the
loop or I didn't want to ask them to repeat what they had said, but often
had missed some pieces that might be needed to keep up with the
conversation.

  I Often have people run off a 10 digit phone number like they'd assume I
could write that quick.  I either just repeat the last of what I wrote down,
or say "hey I never took shorthand, what came after the 3- 5 part in there?
"   And many people don't necessarily remember all the stuff they hear or
are told.  I found if I was more sensitive about it, I'd beat myself up over
it, like it was 'my fault' and I should just snap out of it when that wasn't
possible.  Most of mine though seemed to affect verbal part, saying or
hearing.    If I had read something (or reread it more than once), I could
often recall things easier than going from verbal instructions.    I *think
there are different parts of the brain involved with those (my)  two types
of memory generation though... In other words the stuff goes in two
different routes depending if it's heard stuff or  things we read.
  But losing the verbal (spoken) memories can be upsetting, as we don't
like to ask them to repeat some or all of what they just said.  If they ask
I just tell them that Encephalitis destroyed part of my brain that stores
verbal instructions, and don't even mention any more detail about seizures
etc. as those didn't start for almost 14 years after the first one.
  And as I said earlier, even though I still use Tegretol (though at
reduced dose when a 2nd one was added, my fog gradually cleared before my
doses were being reduced or adjusted.  And I think the Memory thing has
improved although it's not back near 100% of what it was before 1980.   The
alcohol has an advisory on the Printout I get with Prescriptions for
Tegretol when I got it.  I think Dilantin and some of the other meds. are
affected by alcohol, stomach remedies, etc.  too.      G./

> IME the following disappear after stopping meds:
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> licence for two years. If you cold turkey it then the effects are
> potentially more serious than coming off smack without methadone.
G.Ross - 05 Nov 2005 05:40 GMT
> This may sound odd but THANK GOD!!!!
> It actually sounds like a lot of the issues I have are medication related,
> from what you all say.
> The Dr. has asked me to try to stop taking tegretol as he feels that it
> isn't doing much for me. But I am afraid of them being wrong.

** I don't remember what your dose strength was.  I *hope if the Dr. plans
to remove the Tegretol that they instruct you how to do that.  It should
*not be stopped abruptly.
 When I removed 2 tablets (200mg each) of CR type, the Night dose we did
that over about 8 weeks.   That might have been over-careful but it went
like- Week 1 alternate days 2 tablets, and 1.5 (the tablets break in half
that I use), Week 2 1.5 tablets each night, Week 3 alternate nights 1.5
tablets and 1 tablet, Week 4 1 tablet, then a Blood test and Week 5
alternate nights half a tablet and 1 tablet, Week 6 half a tablet, Week 7
alternate nights half a tablet or none.
  I was adding a *newer med. to replace this night dose as this went on (I
don't recall the rate, but it started up at about week 4 with the single
tablet.  I was *also still using 2 tablets of Tegretol CR each Morning, and
still do today.
   Your Pharmacy can possibly give you a printout about its use, or there
might be something related to this on the Ep. Foundation website under
Medications.   http://efa.org  .   Tegretol is one of the medications that
shouldn't be stopped *abruptly or there is a risk of (what I call)  'recoil
seizures' from the prompt stopping.     The Dr. should know about that.
G./

I have never
> had a seizure at work, actually I have not had a grand mal in about 6 to 7
> years but I do have petit mals/absence weekly or so. I would hate to have
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> like to read about them
> Thanks
Mike Kelliher - 05 Nov 2005 07:57 GMT
Well I would never go off it all at once and without a doctor following the
progress or regress. My seizure type is Generalized Tonic clonic and absence
3 per second spike and wave. I take 800 mg tegretol and 2500 valproic Acid.

>> This may sound odd but THANK GOD!!!!
>> It actually sounds like a lot of the issues I have are medication
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>> like to read about them
>> Thanks
Bob Thompson - 12 Nov 2005 15:19 GMT
Hi
I am only 14 but have been on Tegretol for 2 1/2 years and I suffer from

· excessive tiredness -- Oh Yes!
· long and short term memory have disappeared -- Yes!
· unable to concentrate -- most times
· lack of drive or enthusiasm -- Yes
· not wanting to interact with people -- Not really
· bad balance -- No.

I am on 1000mg per day (just been put up from 600mg)

Emma ( typist Bob - my Dad)

Hi I am new to this group and just wanted to find out what side effects
people were suffering whilst on Tegretol.I am 35 and had 4 grand mals
when I was a teenager and have had two or three grand mals every year
since. I am on 800mg a day of Tegretol and the side effects I have been
suffering for all these years are:

· excessive tiredness
· long and short term memory have disappeared
· unable to concentrate
· lack of drive or enthusiasm
· not wanting to interact with people
· bad balance
If any one has these side effects on Tegretol or any other ones I would
like to read about them
Thanks
G.Ross - 12 Nov 2005 16:57 GMT
 Emma's Dad, get a Second Opinion.  I'm not a Doctor, but at **Max I was
only on 2x400mg a Day. I weight about 160lbs, which is about 70Kg. I'm now
on 400mg total with a second medication added.
 Unless the Dr. has a GOOD reason to put her on such a High Dose relative
to her age and likely body weight,  I (for one) am getting concerned that
was too high for someone younger to be taking unless he has GOOD medical
reasons for starting that high.
  Do *not* stop taking this abruptly. If they move to something else,
Tegretol  will have to be Slowly removed over 6-8 weeks or more to prevent
withdrawal seizures from that.  I've added some other comments at **s below.
G./

> Hi
> I am only 14 but have been on Tegretol for 2 1/2 years and I suffer from
  (I mentioned on an earlier post to your Dad that I thought 11+ was too
young to start Tegretol, although there Could have been valid medical
reasons to do that for optimum control for you. But I wouldn't have done
that if *I was the Doctor.  Do not Promptly pitch the meds., if you plan to
remove those and take another pill, see the note I posted here to your Dad.
G./

> · excessive tiredness -- Oh Yes!
********** Too high a Dose of Tegretol (Carbamazepine) can do that, and can
mess with concentration.   See line 3 you put below too.  /
> · long and short term memory have disappeared -- Yes!
**** Did those disappear as you started to use that pill, or were you having
trouble there before?  One part of the brain that Tegretol treats is damage
or seizures starting in one of the 2 Temporal Lobes of the brain.  Those are
the 'short term memory buffer'  where new stuff and learning goes first.  If
it's Useful -- Math, Science, English :-<  it's moved then to other parts
for Long Term storage.    If it's less important to remember in 3 weeks
(there's a butterfly,  it's chillie today, there's a red leaf blowing on the
street... ),   Those memories are usually 'washed out'  while you sleep at
night so there's more space for new Short-term Memories to go next..
  *If there was some damage to one of those lobes, that could cause
seizures like *I had, that can affect the filing of the New Memory Learning
stuff.   And Tegretol could be used for that.   But there are other older
milder (relatively) pills like Dilantin or possibly new stuff that could
control seizures but not affect memory so much./

> · unable to concentrate -- most times
**** Too high a Tegretol Dose (or my type of Temporal Lobe Damage) can make
it difficult to concentrate or recall what we just heard or read. /

> · lack of drive or enthusiasm -- Yes
**** It can make us drowsy and more tired soon after we take the dose than
if we weren't using it./
> · not wanting to interact with people -- Not really
> · bad balance -- No.
>
> I am on 1000mg per day (just been put up from 600mg)
*** Did they say why they bumped it up so high? from the 600? (I asked your
Dad that on the group too, as at Max. I was only at 2x400 (800mg), and as an
'olde man' (of 51 in 1995), when I had more seizures we Slowly took off the
Night Dose (400mg) and replaced it with a newer pill that had been approved
in Canada for Complex Partial (Temporal Lobe) seizures.   I don't know if
Frisium (Clobazam 10mg) would work for any szr. you might have.  But I
started at half a tablet (5mg) WITH the Tegretol, and I think the Frisium is
planned to be used with some other anti ep drug.  I just told your Dad
(here) I didn't think that Tegretol (if *I was a Doctor) would be the other
AED I'd have used.    But I don't have a licence, so sue me... :->  I'm
trying to help.  G./

> Emma ( typist Bob - my Dad)
**** Pretty good typing Dad, No Typos or Anything. :->  I hope we are able
to help you *both.  Among the 20-30 regulars around here, some with kids or
who had szrs. as kids,  we'll find Something of use to you both or go off
and search with you.   That's why we're here....  G./

> Hi I am new to this group and just wanted to find out what side effects
> people were suffering whilst on Tegretol.I am 35 and had 4 grand mals
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> like to read about them
> Thanks
Karl Magnacca - 17 Nov 2005 23:03 GMT
"G.Ross" <gaross@rogers.com> wrote:
> Emma's Dad, get a Second Opinion. I'm not a Doctor, but at **Max I was
> only on 2x400mg a Day. I weight about 160lbs, which is about 70Kg. I'm
> now on 400mg total with a second medication added.

FTR, I was taking 1200 mg/day (3 x 400 mg) when I was 12 and weighed under
100 lbs (45 kg).  Missing a single dose would inevitably lead to a grand
mal seizure within about 3-6 hours.  So yes, you should question your
doctor's judgements and not just accept that they know what they're doing,
but because it's outside the "normal" range doesn't mean it's wrong.

Of course, at that level I went from an A+ to B-/C student because I was
constantly falling asleep in class.

Karl
smiles69 - 30 Mar 2006 16:19 GMT
Hi There,

I am 36 and take 1300mg a day. I have put a few posts on about side
effects from Tegratol. Yours are very similar to mine. I find it helps to
attribute a score of 1-10 against anyhting you deem to be possible side
effect. This will help you when you speak to the Neuro next.

In general, mine are the same as yours, with disturbed sleep and a little
depression related side effects. You may find the inability to interact
with people is associated with this.

The good news is I am now on course of Tegratol with 300mg of Lamotrigine.
This is proving to be a very successful combination. I have found it
cancels out some of the side effects from Tegratol.

Ross

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