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I AM AN EPILEPTIC

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Mil VC - 22 Sep 2003 03:16 GMT
I am a wife, a mother, a college graduate, a good friend, an asset to my
community, and I have had a seizure disorder for most of my fifty years. I
NEVER hesitate to tell someone I have epilepsy or that I am an epileptic. I
don't give a crap what anyone else thinks about it, it's my life. If you have a
problem with it, TOUGH. I have a real problem with people being so touchy about
this disorder. When I was diagnosed the first thing my mother told me was "
Don't tell anyone!!!!" I have never been ashamed of living with this problem. I
do have a problem with people who can't accept being honest about. Get over it.
V
Dave ???? - 22 Sep 2003 04:11 GMT
Howdy V!

Same thing with my mother. The thing that REALLY screwed me up was the:
"Your epilepsy already makes you conspicuous enough, don't do anything that
might call attention to yourself!"

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> I am a wife, a mother, a college graduate, a good friend, an asset to my
> community, and I have had a seizure disorder for most of my fifty years. I
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> do have a problem with people who can't accept being honest about. Get over it.
> V
Mil VC - 22 Sep 2003 20:00 GMT
Sorry, maybe I came on too strong last night but  this label business really
gets to me. It doesn't make any difference. No matter what you call me, I have
seizures, always have, always will. I refuse to let it limit me. Of course I
have bad days and can't do much but have seizures all day. Of course I get
embarrassed when it happens in front of people but all things considered  I
think I'm pretty lucky. Don't waste one day of your precious life worrying
about what others think. Vicki
KTI@webtv.net - 22 Sep 2003 20:36 GMT
 Vicki, I agree w/you,100% as I also  have had E since birth and the
limitations that have been put on me has been from Just the Pure
IGNORANCE of society, still today! It's the only reason I'm on SSD.
Employers would find out when I would have a breakthough sz once in
while and lost my jobs everytime legally.  But I'm glad to had worked
and know what I'm truly missing and legally soak our system for every
tax paying dime I take :)))) until or if ever I get well.

Kathy
PeptoP - 22 Sep 2003 04:47 GMT
I wasn't raised in the type of environment when it seems you were (being
commanded by the parents not to tell anyone about the disorder). But, I WAS
told to keep it to yourself when applying for jobs (self explanatory...).
Other than that, I was encouraged to ask questions, let friends know,
teachers, etc.

> I am a wife, a mother, a college graduate, a good friend, an asset to my
> community, and I have had a seizure disorder for most of my fifty years. I
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> do have a problem with people who can't accept being honest about. Get over it.
> V
Paul Oldham - 22 Sep 2003 14:00 GMT
> I am a wife, a mother, a college graduate, a good friend, an asset to my
> community, and I have had a seizure disorder for most of my fifty years. I
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> with this problem. I do have a problem with people who can't accept being
> honest about. Get over it.

:-)

I think for me the issue is that I don't want to define myself by my medical
conditions. Epilepsy is just a medical condition I have. I also have other
medical conditions. I don't say to people "hi, I've no-gall-bladder-ist" or
"hi, I'm a stroke-person". I say, if I mention it at all, "I've got no gall
bladder", or "I've had a stroke". Similarly I have had (past tense, I hope
;-)) epileptic seizures, so I say that, I don't say "I'm epileptic". I
doesn't define who *I* am. End of story.

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jedi and son - 22 Sep 2003 17:33 GMT
> I am a wife, a mother, a college graduate, a good friend, an asset to my
> community, and I have had a seizure disorder for most of my fifty years. I
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> do have a problem with people who can't accept being honest about. Get over it.
> V

This has come up before in the NG.  With my son (who is 7 and had his first
seizures 4 days before his 5th Birthday), our conversations focus on the
fact that he has Epilepsy not that he is Epileptic.  To some of you I know
this seems like splitting hairs...to me, it is the difference between having
a condition and having a condition that defines who you are.  His epilepsy
simply put certain limits on what he can do.  He will never be a fighter
pilot....he'll never be an astronaut...in all likelihood, he'll never be a
deep sea diver and other various high-risk occupations.  We do talk from
time to time about it...but it is not the focus of who he is.  We are aware
of it but do not spend alot of time focused on it as his seizure control
continues to improve with his med changes.

This is purely a subjective thing.  If you're not sensitive to it...great!
If you are....great....whatever, live and let live.

There you go...my two cents...again....

Jedi and Son
bwes - 03 Oct 2003 07:26 GMT
> This has come up before in the NG.  With my son (who is 7 and had his first
> seizures 4 days before his 5th Birthday), our conversations focus on the
> fact that he has Epilepsy not that he is Epileptic.  To some of you I know
> this seems like splitting hairs...to me, it is the difference between having
> a condition and having a condition that defines who you are.  

My grandmother was a diabetic, and my uncle was asthmatic (or an
asthmatic). I swear my sister is schizophrenic. You can call me anything
you want, ceptin' late for dinner.
Dave ???? - 03 Oct 2003 15:48 GMT
Howdy!

Within the family it isn't a matter of splitting hairs. It is a matter of
adjusting personal attitude, increasing self esteem and helping him to
develop a personal philosophy for himself.

BUT

When the kid gets out into the real world we don't want him getting all
frazzled and starting a ruckus when somebody calls him "epileptic!"  If he
does that, he is exposing a weakness that will undoubtedly be used for
teasing and as a derogatory statement just to get on his case.

There is a difference between educating people and having an attitude
problem with people.

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Dave ????
"Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus"

http://www.howdydave.com

> > This has come up before in the NG.  With my son (who is 7 and had his first
> > seizures 4 days before his 5th Birthday), our conversations focus on the
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> asthmatic). I swear my sister is schizophrenic. You can call me anything
> you want, ceptin' late for dinner.
M - 03 Oct 2003 19:38 GMT
There is no doubt about it, I AM AN EPILEPTIC. It is a part of ME.
Throughout the 27 years I have had epilepsy it has shaped my life, my
career, my behaviour, memory and personality. It has sent me to the
psychiatrist, it has affected my social life, it has changed the way I
view the world and even my diet. Even though it has been controlled for
a number of years, it pervades every part of my life, it has made me
what I am and therefore its influence affects every second of my day,
either consciously or subconsciously.

Epilepsy is an integral part of the person I call 'me' - it is not
something to be ashamed of, it just _is_.

Without epilepsy I would be a very different person today. It would be
foolish to ignore the fact that epilepsy has been the major single
formative influence in my personality development. I see no reason why I
should not therefore be termed an epileptic. If I am to have self-esteem
and be proud of who I am, then I must embrace the epilepsy for its part
in achieving that!   I'M *ME* BECAUSE I'M AN EPILEPTIC.
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Mary Fisher - 03 Oct 2003 20:46 GMT
> There is no doubt about it, I AM AN EPILEPTIC. It is a part of ME.
> Throughout the 27 years I have had epilepsy it has shaped my life, my
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> and be proud of who I am, then I must embrace the epilepsy for its part
> in achieving that!   I'M *ME* BECAUSE I'M AN EPILEPTIC.

Hurrah! Well said.

Mary
Bob - 06 Oct 2003 15:56 GMT
> > There is no doubt about it, I AM AN EPILEPTIC. It is a part of ME.
> > Throughout the 27 years I have had epilepsy it has shaped my life, my
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>
> Mary

Yes indeed, very well said!

It would be nice if we could come to some type of closure on this topic and
hear back from the people, including the one who started this thread, who
raised objections to the use of the term "an epileptic". Could they please
post again and let us know if the discussions on this thread have helped them.
Do they feel more comfortable with the use of the term after reading these
responses?

Bob
Dave ???? - 07 Oct 2003 18:44 GMT
Howdy Bob!

I believe that I'm the one who started it (looks like the kind of
contraversial subject name I'd use)

One thing that I've learned is to NEVER discourage talk about epilepsy
(especially someplace like here!)

I don't know about closing the conversation. Close the THREAD and start
another one... ok  but it is a constant/contiuous/ever present issue to
epileptics/people with epilepsy and I think that we ought to talk it out.

There are a lot of lurkers out there who just read.  Maybe if we keep the
talk going a few might just sneak out of the shadows to tell us how they
feel about it.

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Dave ????
"Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus"

http://www.howdydave.com

> Yes indeed, very well said!
>
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>
> Bob
Bob - 08 Oct 2003 00:18 GMT
"Dave ©¿©¬" wrote:

> Howdy Bob!
>
> I believe that I'm the one who started it (looks like the kind of
> contraversial subject name I'd use)

Hi Dave

Well I suppose it is  :-)  but it was actually Toyboy who started the thread and
who quoted that whole "an epileptic" rant from the Idaho website. You may recall
that it is Toygirl who has epilepsy and her husband, Toyboy, needs support here
also and that is quite understandable.  I'm guessing that it was the Idaho rant
that got him upset and wonder how he feels now after the discussion we have had
on the matter.

> One thing that I've learned is to NEVER discourage talk about epilepsy
> (especially someplace like here!)

That's what this group is all about! isn't it? to talk about our problems.

> I don't know about closing the conversation. Close the THREAD and start
> another one... ok  but it is a constant/contiuous/ever present issue to
> epileptics/people with epilepsy and I think that we ought to talk it out.

I'm sorry, but I perhaps used ambiguous terminology and didn't mean we should
close the thread. I meant "closure" in the sense of hearing back from Toyboy and
Jedi as to whether the discussions had helped with their resentment over the use
of "an epileptic". Perhaps they have changed their minds after reading all the
various contributions here?

> There are a lot of lurkers out there who just read.  Maybe if we keep the
> talk going a few might just sneak out of the shadows to tell us how they
> feel about it.

I agree! Let's keep it going and no need for a new thread.

Bob

> --
> Dave ©¿©¬
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> >
> > Bob
Pablo - 22 Sep 2003 21:15 GMT
g'day v,
good for you, unfortunately many people find it hard to come to terms with
their condition.
pablo
> I am a wife, a mother, a college graduate, a good friend, an asset to my
> community, and I have had a seizure disorder for most of my fifty years. I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> do have a problem with people who can't accept being honest about. Get over it.
> V
Dave ???? - 24 Sep 2003 19:52 GMT
Howdy!

Just got back from the Epilepsy Center. They turned me on (a good lookin' PA
and a good lookin' representative from Cyberonics.)

It seems that they have decided that these days they don't have to send as
much current through a persons system as they did a couple of years ago.
While I may be a frog for 30 seconds and normal(?) for 5 minutes after that;
at least I won't be a frog in pain!

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Dave ????
"Noli illigitemi carborundum decendus"

http://www.howdydave.com

> I am a wife, a mother, a college graduate, a good friend, an asset to my
> community, and I have had a seizure disorder for most of my fifty years. I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> do have a problem with people who can't accept being honest about. Get over it.
> V
genie - 10 Oct 2003 13:42 GMT
My husband was diagnosed an Epileptic at the age of 17 years he is now 49
yrs of age and likewise he was told by the doctor AND his parents not to
tell anyone. because people will treat him different  and it took a long
long time before he could fully accept it.  now my hubby has a sezuire maybe
once or twice every 3 to 4 years.  when I met him he mentioned he took
tablets and was very coy about telling me why and when he did my response
shocked him and his parents.  because I said is that all.  since diagnosis
he was scared of getting involved in a relationship and when we got married
they were petrified he would have a sezuire over getting married, then he
was scared our children would be epileptic because he was.  ( when his is
post traumatic as a result of a footy injury)  then his parents didn't like
him being in the delivery room when I had our first child. because the
excitement could cause a sezuire. He even kept his plumbing job for over 30
years because he was scared no one else would emply him because of it. I
just took it all in my stride. his epilepsy has not been any problem for me.
and now in the 16 years of our marriage he has finally come to terms with
it.  BUT  bad news last week,  my hubby now has to reduce all of his
medication because he has developed Cerebellar Atrophy and the anti
convulstants have been a cause of it becoming progressivily worse quicker.
so what is a man to do  give up the meds and risk sezuires or stay on and
watch as his brain srinks faster than nature intended

> I am a wife, a mother, a college graduate, a good friend, an asset to my
> community, and I have had a seizure disorder for most of my fifty years. I
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> do have a problem with people who can't accept being honest about. Get over it.
> V
Mil VC - 10 Oct 2003 22:55 GMT
Hi,  I'm so sorry to hear of your husband's new diagnosis. Could you please
explain this disorder? Is it in any way caused by the seizures or the meds? I
had to decrease my meds by 2/3 several years ago due to long term side effects
I was having ( joint pain and what the neurologist called phenobarb dementia.)
I switched to Depakote for a year and really did not have good control and went
back on my original meds at 1/3 the amount I had been on for 15 years. I was
really aprehensive about the seizures being controlled at this lower level but
it has worked fine for me for the last 14 years. Not seizure free but at a
level I can live with and function fairly normally.  I hope your husband is as
fortunate. Everyone involved in my life knows of my seizures, friends, family,
work associates, church. I just feel safer with people knowing and knowing what
to do if I have a seizure. Your husband and I are the same age (ok I have one
more year on him) and were diagnosed at the same time. Guess we both got the
same sage advice about hiding it. I have partial seizures also so there is no
hiding it. I figurured people would really think I was strange twitching or
jerking or stuttering, if they didn't know I was epileptic
I wish you and your husband well. Keep us posted on his progress. Vicki
genie - 12 Oct 2003 02:37 GMT
Vicki  he sees a specialist this friday coming but I am very interested in
this phenobarb dementia.  IMHO I don't know why they put him on that, but
then again 30 odd years ago I guess they didn't fully understand the long
term effects of it.  but I have also been reading up about Sodium Valporate,
but there doesn't seem to be much info on the long term effects of it.
although it seems to me that it is a very popular drug to be on for any
number of conditions not only epilepsy.

and yes the jerking and twitching.  he does that sometimes. but he is able
to control that himself.  and knows he could go into a full blown seziure
most of the time that happens if he has missed a dose of his medicaiton or
not taken it on time. but the effect is about 2 days after.  as for grand
mals  my eldest son helped him nearly 4 years ago, at the age of 12 yrs.
cos he has grown up with it. I made sure he knew what to do at an early age.
my son has only ever see my hubby have 2 sezuires.
> Hi,  I'm so sorry to hear of your husband's new diagnosis. Could you please
> explain this disorder? Is it in any way caused by the seizures or the meds? I
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> jerking or stuttering, if they didn't know I was epileptic
> I wish you and your husband well. Keep us posted on his progress. Vicki
 
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