Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Epilepsy / July 2005
What's more important -- Medical care of Aging Boomers or Upping a National Debt?
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G.Ross - 14 Jul 2005 16:44 GMT Below is a 'long' ramble, I started about 1+ hours ago, then tried to cut down. Some of the context might be mixed up or 'numbers' lost accuracy from my First Draft ramble, because of that cutting out of text to try make this a little briefer !! :-< If you want to comment or offer ideas on 'how we can pay for newer improvements to healthcare for an Aging bunch of Baby Boomers, or help pay for medications etc. within a larger population of Olde People, cut out whatever you don't need, when you reply. Thanks. G2R2. //
I was going to append this onto thread above about 'Medical Bills' re the U.S. predicament about whether to help 'aging population' of Baby Boomers with Medication expenses (as more newer and expensive cures become available), *or kicking the (U.S.) National debt up above Half? a Trillion Dollars for 300 Million people... (If those numbers are right (I didn't look them up), that's a net debt per person of about 150,000 Dollars for each person -- man, woman or child. Does that make sense? to still use a model of 'deficit financing' that was being discredited when I was taking Economics 301 in 1965? The idea at that time was that the Dollars paid back are worth Less than the Borrowed Dollars because of Deflation of value of the money. Trouble was, it's Still 150,000 Dollars per person, whether it's Deflated or not, it's Still an unattainable amount when no steps are started to pay it off. ) Not being an American (except geographically), I don't understand why the 'population' haven't been on their politician's 'case' about making **more benefits available as *more and more of the 'median age' moves upward, as us Baby Boomers start to retire.
If the 'general tax rates' for 'richer people ' (many of whom recently appear to be due for Prison) were knocked up by 5-10%, the return to the Tax Coffers from Their Incomes would be far larger than a 10% increase on e.g. someone making less than $30,000 per year. Since there are more Voters in the latter income range, why aren't the laws of Income Balance more in keeping with those who 'don't need that much money for food and clothes' to Transfer it (through the Tax System) to people in the Bottom 20% of the Income range? Doesn't it seem 'unfair' (as described a few days ago in Dave's writeup on Social Security etc.) that someone with a Health or Age Need, should have to run their Life Savings into the Ground (to Zero) before the Government they've supported for 40, 50? years looks around and says -- "Oh, You..... well I suppose You want some food, and pills. Maybe we could help. Belch..... " (I get this picture of Jabba the Hut from Star Wars 2? movie. Did you ever wonder how much the 'Top 5%' pay for *their pills? ) You've got some of the Largest Corporations in the world, paying some of the Lowest Proportional Taxes and deducting the price of Limos for the Board /Chief Executives from their Gross Incomes, before their Corporation pays into the 'kitty'. How is that fair? I don't recall who said it but they said 'a country can be judged by how it treats its sick, weaker or underpriviledged members'. It matters little that the latest Plane can 'hit a target' 300 miles away within 4 inches but costs 20 Billion Dollars, while people aren't able to care for themselves or get a decent level of Medical Care if they drop by the wayside through no fault of their own.
One solution for the Health costs, might involve a 10-15% 'surtax' on Income Taxes above a basic Floor of e.g. $20,000 that would go into a Health Provider Fund. So if someone made $30,000 a year and the Taxes due between 20 and 30K was e.g. $1500? their Surtax would be $225. once a year (15% of $1500). If 100 million people *had income in that range, that 100 million times $225. pays for a lot of Medicare (or whatever you want to call it), Plus paying down the Debt. Incomes below a certain amount (above) would pay *no Extra Tax, so you don't penalize poorer people but give them the same healthcare as someone richer. That was what 'proportional taxation' was supposed to do back in the 1930s when Truman or ?? first put it into place in the U.S. Mid-1960s was date Canada decided to put in 'Universal Health Care', and still has it today. Here 'we' are 40 years later, and the U.S. Still doesn't have a health care plan? I don't understand that.
I don't understand why 'some people's Employees' (the Politicians you elected to office), appear to be given such a Long Line to run with your Money. If Pensions, and Healthcare were moved to the Top of Priorities above Martiniis, and Corporate Jets, perhaps some of the 'frills' (like a Heart Bypass) could be provided as part of a Bill of Rights for Citizens who pay for these things.
Doesn't that make (some) sense? (funding model for aging population) End ramble. G./
clyde asbury - 20 Jul 2005 17:51 GMT "I don't understand why the 'population' haven't been on their politician's 'case' about making **more benefits available as *more and more of the 'median age' moves upward, as us Baby Boomers start to retire."
The answer is simple. It's because socialized medicine doesn't work.
If you believe that socialized medicine is a great system, consider this: most people don't even know what their doctor charges for an office visit, but they know how much their co-pay is, and you can bet they will scream if it increases by $5.00.
Again, socialized medicine doesn't work nearly as well as the free market does in allocating who receives expensive treatments and who doesn't. If you still don't believe this, learn about TennCare. It is Tennessee's health care system, and it is the same sort of system Hillary Clinton told Americans we needed in 1994. TennCare's "universal" health care has been in place for a decade, and in only those few years, health care has consumed one-third of the entire Tennessee state budget. After not even coming close to delivering on its promises, the program is now being significantly scaled back.
As far as the national debt is concerned, a little homework will reveal that social security and other entitilement programs are a big reason for the national debt in the first place.
Calling health care a "right" no more pays the bills for it than did Bill Clinton's laughable "Health Care Bill of Rights."
Socialized health care means that politicians make health care decisions for you instead of doctors. It means waiting lists. If Canada has such a great health care system, then why can't they keep their doctors from leaving?
Pay your own health care bills as much as possible and you will be surprised at how much more active and involved you become in your health in the process. Take care of yourself and stop looking for someone else to do it for you.
G.Ross - 20 Jul 2005 19:14 GMT > "I don't understand why the 'population' haven't been on their > politician's 'case' about making **more benefits available as *more and > more of the 'median age' moves upward, as us Baby Boomers start to > retire." > > The answer is simple. It's because socialized medicine doesn't work. That's surprising, the UK? and parts of Europe have had it for years. Canada (you quote below) has had it since Lester Pearson was Prime Minister (1963). I'm surprised to hear it 'doesn't work'. It has up until now. The reason for my post, and the news items being discussed at the moment, is that the Baby Boomers (some of us here) are due to turn 65 starting in 2008. There will be an increase in demand on Health supports since most of us are living longer. Formerly we'd 'drop dead' before we were in our mid 50s or 60s before innoculations, and other health care developments. A college friend of mine had Heart Bypass surgery about 5 years ago. He's just found he has a form of Cancer in his Liver, that's somehow related to his Heart thing above. He's scheduled for surgery again in September. How much would those two operations cost in the US, and who'd have to pay for those?
How much is it going to cost him? (His 'co-pay', like mine, you mention below, is *0 ) //
> If you believe that socialized medicine is a great system, consider > this: most people don't even know what their doctor charges for an [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > market does in allocating who receives expensive treatments and who > doesn't. **** The only thing above assures? is that the Rich survive, and people who can't afford the surgery will die, if they can't mortgage their house to pay for a 'surprise onset' illness in their family? With 10x Canada's Population and 'economies of scale' Economists advertise, you should be able to provide comparable or Better care, at Lower Net Cost, than we do here. How does paying your Doctor 2-3x a 'going rate' than if his salary was capped, cost you 'less' without people dying from lack of access to a Doctor? There are many Doctors leaving Canada, to get Residencies in the U.S. to complete their degrees. (They're doing that since there's a Shortage here of Doctors to Mentor the Residencies of the Trainees.) Once they're there, they are getting (U.S.) Cash, rather than a Capped Income, so many of them stay there. But the Net cost (because you're paying them more than other countries), means that Someone has to pay that --> if it's not the governments paying and monitoring that, those costs get passed on-> to whom I wonder? //
If you still don't believe this, learn about TennCare. It is
> Tennessee's health care system, and it is the same sort of system > Hillary Clinton told Americans we needed in 1994. TennCare's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > budget. After not even coming close to delivering on its promises, the > program is now being significantly scaled back. **** Why not pay for Healthcare out of the Federal Tax system, rather than at a State level? Or have the Feds collect the taxes and allocate the budget based on Population in each State? That's how the system that 'won't work' has been run in Canada since 1960s. Each Province is responsible for its own Healthcare system, and receives Federal Cash based on Population, and possible no. of Doctors? (not sure). Each Province doesn't collect taxes to pay for healthcare, but has to meet minimum requirements and standards agreed on between the 2 levels of Government.. That is likely because of Quebec, who insisted in 1960s on having their Own schools and healthcare-- in French. So the Education and Healthcare standards are set at our Federal Level, but the Spending and Running of those 2 programs are done at the Provincial Level. /
> As far as the national debt is concerned, a little homework will reveal > that social security and other entitilement programs are a big reason > for the national debt in the first place. *** The National Debt in many countries was created in the 1950s and 60s when it was thought that Deficit Financing made sense, since the Repay cost would be paid with Depreciated Dollars (or local currency). Several countries in Europe have little or no Deficits on their books, and are funding their health and other programs without creating new debt. I'm not sure how New Zealand and Australia do their's. Canada has had a Balanced Budget for more than 12 years, and has been paying down the National Debt that was created in the 1960s (mentioned earlier) at a slow but consistent pace. So we may have a slightly higher tax system than some other countries, but we have a combination of Public Healthcare and Corporations who provide Pharma-care and Extended care insurance as part of their **employee benefits, to employees. And without getting Wildly off topic, 'a little homework' (above) would pick up a history book and see where the source of your Debt costs are. And it's not from tonsillitis. It started in Asia in the 1960s... //
> Calling health care a "right" no more pays the bills for it than did > Bill Clinton's laughable "Health Care Bill of Rights." [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > such a great health care system, then why can't they keep their doctors > from leaving? ** No politician is involved in my Healthcare. I can call my Family Dr. and see him before the weekend. (If I had called him this AM I'd have seen him tonight as he works until 8 Wednesdays. He works 9-5 Thurs. and leaves at 1PM Fridays for the weekend.) Except for refilling (by phone) my prescriptions, which my *Neuro does every 100 days, I haven't seen him since 1998. With some changes we've had in 2002, to see him again, I need a new 'referral slip' from above Family Dr. I don't know if I'd have to go in in-person for that, or just call the Family Dr. -- as I haven't had a seizure that required any Med. changes since 1998. /
> Pay your own health care bills as much as possible and you will be > surprised at how much more active and involved you become in your health > in the process. Take care of yourself and stop looking for someone else > to do it for you. Advice above doesn't apply. "Pull up your socks" only works for school kids. I'm beginning to doubt you've ever been into Emerg. unconscious after a seizure. The first 2-3 I had in 1993 I was in hospital 2-3 days before I even knew where I was. If they're standing, waiting on my Visa Card before they admit someone in that condition, I don't call that 'Health Care'. (They got Medical Info. + Doctor and Family contacts from my 'Medic Alert' bracelet.) /
clyde asbury - 21 Jul 2005 05:30 GMT "No politician is involved in my Health care. "
This from Readers Digest: Canada’s doctor shortage is partly rooted in a 1991 report commissioned by the provincial deputy ministers of health. In that document, Morris Barer and Greg Stoddart, two health economists, predicted that Canada was facing a physician surplus. In response, provincial governments, scrambling to save money, cut first-year enrollment to Canadian medical schools by about ten percent. Dr. Andrew Cave, an associate professor in the Department of Family Medicine at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, says, “Despite the predictions of the gurus ten years ago, in fact, we need more doctors.”
http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html
"How does paying your Doctor 2-3x a 'going rate' than if his salary was capped, cost you 'less' without people dying from lack of access to a Doctor?"
If you knew anything of economic history, you wouldn't suggest salary caps. Believe it or not, economics applies to health care. Whenever and wherever caps are put in place it leads to deterioration of the product or service offered.
Recognizing that lessons of basic economics don't disappear in the health care realm is not the same as abandonment without medical care - although socialists like to characterize it that way. County hospitals in the US routinely treat patients with little or no financial resources, many of them critically ill and/or unconscious.
You say "no politician is involved in your health care." Who do you think sets the caps?
Read the above excerpt. Provincial governments - politicians - cut enrollment in Canadian medical schools.
You may think you're doing fine with your doctor, but plenty of other Canadians can't even find one.
G.Ross - 21 Jul 2005 19:02 GMT Use a full quote if you can, wrt snips, so context doesn't get lost. This is what you said -->
> Socialized health care means that politicians make health care decisions > for you instead of doctors. **It means waiting lists**. **If Canada has > such a great health care system, then **why can't they keep their doctors > from leaving? (**I had replied to above, which you Then **cut out, but left Above. I had written --> ) *G* No politician is involved in my Healthcare. I can call my Family Dr. and see him before the weekend. (If I had called him this AM I'd have seen him tonight as he works until 8 Wednesdays. He works 9-5 Thurs. and leaves at 1PM Fridays for the weekend.)
> "No politician is involved in my Health care. " > > This from Readers Digest: G. -- (Readers Digest is not one of our most 'in depth' information sources... :-< Try either Time, Newsweek (U.S.), or Canada's newest now "The Walrus" for current opinion on Politics and Social Events in Canada -- I don't know if http://walrusmagazine.com will let you in to read through it or if that's the subscriber's route. I just subscribed so got the last 3 issues (5 months) in 3 days. **If I **see an article** on "Medical Editorials" wrt **Canada Med. Systems or related, I'll post its www link later. When I subscribed I wanted a Magazine that didn't get over-run with 'Sociology according to the Oval Office', regarding world events. But I hadn't noticed (so far) any articles in it, particularly about our health care system. Strange, if it's in so much trouble, but I'll have a look. So far as I know, both Newsweek and Time have a Canadian version, that overlaps some U.S. articles, but adds articles specific to regions within Canada too. <I think that gets them some kind of tax break too wrt. the Goods and Services Tax on Magazines here> )
> Canada’s doctor shortage is partly rooted in a 1991 report commissioned > by the provincial deputy ministers of health. In that document, Morris *********** G- I'm not sure what above means. 'The Provincial Deputy Ministers' implies that ALL 10 of the Provinces (at that time, there are 12 now), simultaneously commissioned that Report. Normally, I'd have expected the Federal (Canada) Government to commission reports like that, and share the results with them. But Alberta (for one) and some others have gone off, to show their 'independence' and commissioned their own studies. A Company I once worked for had Departments who did that too. It cost the Corporation $$$ for them to do that since they weren't the ones who ultimately had the Major money to invest in a Mega-project, but only had budgets to run their own shop floor. But on occasion either Ontario, Alberta or Quebec find a model that works within the Federal Healthcare system and it gets adapted for that.
(Our original Healthcare system, in 1965, didn't include Pharmacare for Seniors, Chiropractic care, Homeopathy, or "out of province care" as parts of what we accept now as 'medical care' in their costs. A system will evolve over time, as new services are needed or added. I'm sure there are places where one service is not always provided nearby, or towns without enough General Practitioners within a reasonable distance for their ease of access and *local population size. Our main Population demographic is more than 70% within 300 miles (400km) of the Canada/ US Border. Moving south that same distance ends about the top of Colorado. The predominant density is East /West. The remainder of our population is then North of that to the Arctic Ocean. Also our Population is just over 33? Million, about 1/10th? the size of the U.S. If economies of scale could be applied anywhere it should be south of here. No? )
> Barer and Greg Stoddart, two health economists, predicted that Canada > was facing a physician surplus. In response, provincial governments, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Edmonton, says, “Despite the predictions of the gurus ten years ago, in > fact, we need more doctors.” **** I don't know why he wouldn't have known that. Economics 301 course I took in 1964, 200 miles south of him, had a model of what's happening now as us 'Baby Boomers' drag the systems and businesses along with us as we age. Everything from Car design, fashions, food styles, where we vacation, what we buy and read, drags the Main Demographics along to wherever we go. If we all started using Hoola Hoops, they'd be back on the Store shelves by Sept. 1. :-<
> http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html G. So they cut enrolments (incorrectly 10 years ago), according to the quoted article? My Neuro told me (in 1994) about a pending Neurologist shortage because of limits on time the Current Neuro population have available to mentor Training and support of Med. School Neuro Students. (You cut that out too, but I'm in Ontario whose Med. budget and practices might be similar to Alberta, but has more Densely populated Cities, larger hospitals and more specialists because of our Population size than anywhere 'up here' except for Quebec (another large Province). The Neurologists (we were discussing) are the ones who treat Epilepsy, Dementia, and other illnesses associated with an aging 'Baby Boom' following WW II who will reach 65 in 2008-2010.
> "How does paying your Doctor 2-3x a 'going rate' than if his salary was > capped, cost you 'less' without people dying from lack of access to a > Doctor?"
> Below was your reply, ie not G --> If you knew anything of economic > history, you wouldn't suggest [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > care - although socialists like to characterize it that way. County > hospitals in the US routinely treat patients with little or no ************************************************
> financial resources, many of them critically ill and/or unconscious. ******************
G. You didn't say who pays for those, above. Is that User Pay? or is it funded Federally? In other words, where do they pay Doctors/Nurses with 'little or no resources'? /
> You say "no politician is involved in your health care." Who do you > think sets the caps? The caps are set by the Medical "Gurus" based on the Province-wide budgets they get from the Federal Government. The Politician is involved in so far as their over-restricting budgets can bleed out the services the Medics are able to provide. The do not tell the Medical Colleges etc. how to spend the allotted funds.
G.-> *If that's what happened in the US, *that's not the Fault of the Doctors, it's the Fault of the 'suits' in DC, or at State level, who haven't read Jared Diamond, Malcolm Gladwell, or other people who study Demographics and effects on Populations that are aging, faster than Younger people might be able to pay for. *No one in Canada is "Abandoned without medical care". I don't know the Editors who currently run Readers Digest and haven't read it for years. While some of their (independent) sources may research and have information that is valid or useful, it didn't appear to have information that reflects what's currently being used in Eastern Canada. And I have relatives who've needed the health care systems in both Alberta and British Columbia during the last year (West Canada).
> Read the above excerpt. Provincial governments - politicians - cut > enrollment in Canadian medical schools. > > You may think you're doing fine with your doctor, but plenty of other > Canadians can't even find one. I'm aware how Canada works. The shortages of Doctors are listed in my earlier post (you cut out) about number of spaces as the Baby Boom Bubble hits and Doctors available for residency spots onshore stay limited. Those weren't Cut, the threshold is the result of the demographics of the Baby Boomers hitting the Older parts of the system, and part of the younger graduates (needing residency experience to complete their degrees) moving to the U.S. That 'Bubble' in the Population size, needing care, is the same here as in Europe or the U.S. We have a 'bubble' of Olde people (Baby Boomers) retiring, including part of the *Doctors we use. We're changing certification rules for Offshore Doctors, to try match their Home Country's Schools with our standards.
And most of our 'underserviced' population, some of the surveys don't show, are in cities or towns far from the Larger Cities. Lots of Doctors *want to work in Vancouver, Toronto or Montreal. Not a lot want to work in Red Deer, Moosejaw or Kamloops. Those are the Towns and Cities where a lot of the offshore Doctors are choosing to work as they are approved to practice here. It's in the smaller centres where economies of scale can't pay for MRIs or CT machines yet, and similarly a 'Neuro Centre' wouldn't be viable in North Bay or Iqualuit until the population rises to some basic level that would justify that much support (I seem to recall 2-300,000 needed for one.).
You're not suggesting that a 'private' clinic is Chaffing to open in Rainbow Lake, Churchill Falls, and Lilluette are you? They want to Skim off the Profit areas, and leave the 'chaff' to what's left of the other systems. So the less profitable services, like kids health, innoculations, or chronic care get dropped onto the Public system, after the Profit centres have been pulled out. No wonder it would collapse. / G.
G.Ross - 21 Jul 2005 22:16 GMT > "No politician is involved in my Health care. " > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Read the above excerpt. Provincial governments - politicians - cut ****************************************
> enrollment in Canadian medical schools. > > You may think you're doing fine with your doctor, but plenty of other > Canadians can't even find one. G.- I also read the ~60 Replies to the article (logged at end of it). Several physicians have posted there about comparing Dr Qualifications in other countries vs. 'here', and why they agree but want Re-testing, as part of the qualification process. I can't see why that would be a problem to make sure than a particular specialist has the same baseline training as each other. We do it for Engineers and other professions. /
clyde asbury - 22 Jul 2005 12:59 GMT > G.- I also read the ~60 Replies to the article (logged at end of it). > Several physicians have posted there about comparing Dr > Qualifications in other countries vs. 'here', and why they agree but > want Re-testing, as part of the qualification process. I can't see > why that would be a problem to make sure than a particular > specialist has the same baseline training as each other. The problem is that many patients still don't have doctors, and this is a direct result of salary caps.
By the way, why do you put words in quotations for no apparent reason, such as 'here' ? Practically every sentence you write one such word, and some sentences have more. If there is more that needs to be said, such as where here is, then say it. If you're quoting someone, who is it?
Do you "understand" ?
G.Ross - 22 Jul 2005 13:41 GMT >> G.- I also read the ~60 Replies to the article (logged at end of it). >> Several physicians have posted there about comparing Dr Qualifications [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Do you "understand" ? Ummm, that would be my news server. I'll have a word with it, O/.k?
clyde asbury - 22 Jul 2005 22:55 GMT > "clyde asbury" <call.it.sleep@intrstar.net> wrote in message
>> By the way, why do you put words in quotations for no apparent >> reason, such as 'here' ? Practically every sentence you write one [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ummm, that would be my news server. I'll have a word with it, > O/.k? Your news server puts quotations around words. OK. I guess it couldn't be that you overuse quotations and use your news server as a scapegoat. I omitted the word "has" in the second sentence, above. That was my mistake, but I should probably blame Canada.
Anyway, you said earlier that you haven't seen your doctor since 1998. That seems like a very long time to go without even a routine checkup. I doubt there are many in the US whose doctors allow 6 or 7 years to pass without a visit. Even routine physical exams by general practitioners here are done annually. Maybe your doctor is extremely busy. I wonder if Canada's shortage of physicians has anything to do with that.
G.Ross - 22 Jul 2005 14:45 GMT >> G.- I also read the ~60 Replies to the article (logged at end of it). >> Several physicians have posted there about comparing Dr Qualifications [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Do you "understand" ? Check this out. This is a reply I did earlier to 'ole' on another thread. His doesn't have the Quotes you're concerned about over-using. (Also from me). And he was replying to someone Earlier. The Earlier Poster's text prefixes with >>s, ****ole's with >s (ONE only) and mine without a prefix. It would appear that Your Server puts those in, since some of the others I reply to don't have those? Or is it a function of your or him not using XP2? Most of my Windows stuff messages have blank line start for current reply I do, replying to someone (whose text is prefixed *line by line with >), who replied to someone older and whose post prefix shows >>, back one more >>> etc. Some of the message threads, depending how long they go (on XP2?), can have up to 5 or 6 of those. G./
My older reply to him -- find any "s here, except whomever put it on gomper at top -->
> Jim Garland wrote: >> Hi >> I have been taking tegritol for over 15years and I too often have what I >> refer to as my tegritol FOG!! *** Hi, the history file for this thread has dropped off my server. Did <- This is **ME to him
they give you a 'name' for the 'Seizure Type' when they first prescribed the Tegretol (usually XR, CR, or Retard) ? Usually that's prescribed for Complex Partial (formerly Temporal Lobe) based seizures. Some symptoms (like the 'fog') can be part of the seizure *type, *or can come during periods where dose level is temporarily higher in the blood? That's why the CR versions are often used now, since they can use a lower dose, taken at a consistent rate, each day. That keeps blood level stable if they can manage that. (Some things interfere with Tegretol. The Pharmacy should have included those, or there's a Med. Glossary under the U.S. Ep. Foundation site http://efa.org . You either type in the Name, or scroll to the med., click Find or Search, to get a one page printable page. *Grapefruit Juice has an acid in it that interferes with Tegretol levels that's not in other juices usually. And Alcohol can interfere with some people's blood levels, by flushing the med. faster than expected under normal use. I found I got the 'fog' sensations during periods when I was above my Therapeutic level, until we found one that worked. A 'drunken' sensation can come from the same cause. ) /
>> My symptoms are more severe if I am run down or tired...or Stressed!!! >> <--- him *** Being over-tired or under stress can lower our seizure threshold (for CP <--- me Seizures at least) and allow a szr. to happen more easily. During some of those times, it's the fatigue that makes the szrs. easier to happen and not necessarily *just whatever the Medication is that we're using. /
>> I often have trouble focusing and jump quickly from one thing to the >> <-- 2 generations back >> other and forget like crazy...plus slurred speech and tired as hell.> *** Slurred speech used to mean the Blood Level is temporarily too High. <-- me That's why the CR or XR is often used to try balance the levels. **Forgetting things may be a product of damage or seizures happening in one of the *Temporal Lobes of the Brain. (That's the short-term memory buffer where new learning goes first before it gets stored into longer term memory. So the *forgetting part can be a part of the original cause of the szrs. and not always due to the Med.) / /end me to here so far/
>> So yes all of the symptoms that you mentioned are what at least this >> <-- him >> tegritol user gets..and I never had these prior to being **diagnosed and >> medicated! ** See para. above -- *could they be from the *cause, I listed, and not <--- me necessarily the Med.? /
> Hi. I also used to have those <--- > someone One generation back in thread [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > wish, 3: Tegretol made these changes in me, and they will never go away > again.) *** Not being a Dr., just someone using Tegretol CR for Complex Partial <--- me seizures, I'd vote for *2 in your list. *Neither of your meds. (in my opinion) is Causing the symptoms, but may be reducing the number of seizures you are having? I've never seen any writeups 'here' since 1998 where Tegretol 'caused' the problems. But what if you had the Symptoms FIRST and *neither Tegretol nor your Orfiril is *yet giving you 100% control? Could it be that too? Are you getting More control (so *less seizures per month?) than you had Before you were using those? My seizures (especially what I called the 'surprise ones' that would come on with No Aura or warning like I had when first Diagnosed 1993-5) went down from 8-10 per month to 2-3, to one each 2-3 months, to less frequent. With the CR version and a second med. I was told to 'hope for' 2-3 seizures or *less a month. Last 2 I had were Dec. 1997, June 1998. As I got near the 'target' dose for my type of szr. and metabolism, I also had less and less Auras (I hated Worse! since they often meant a szr. was on the way), and haven't had any that I can remember for several years now. (Auras are a dizzy swirling feeling, sometimes with a Deja Vu or Jamais Vu feeling, where you can feel strangely out of balance but not collapse during them.)
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Me continued --> I get the odd 'mood swing' when the weather is changing (air pressure dropping as storms move in), but those are less extreme too. (I mostly wanted to repeat the Grapefruit thing, plus Alcohol, using *Tegretol since those had not been included in my Druggist's Warnings at the time (they are now since I took them printouts I had found 'here' or on internet searches I did then. I *don't know anything about things that might interfere with Orfiril Retard-- if it's *not listed on the efa.org site mentioned above, see if there's a 'Pharmacist's name' printed on the Prescription Bottle to try. Tegretol, for example, is Carbamazepine in a Pharmacy Directory if it's not found using 'Tegretol'. OR ask your Pharmacy if they have a Printout or Website they can give you for your particular pills. ) I hope that might be of use. (*Note spelling of Tegretol if you want to search that name.) G./
> cheers, > ole k clyde asbury - 23 Jul 2005 01:47 GMT > It would appear that Your Server puts those [quotations] in, since > some of the others I reply to don't have those? You have got to be kidding, G. A news server would not put quotations around some words within sentences and not others. Besides, you may put quotations in some messages but not others depending on the content. It sounds to me like you're trying to create the impression that you haven't used scare quotes at all.
Below are just a few examples of "[My] Server" inserting quotations in your writing.
Several physicians have posted there about comparing Dr Qualifications in other countries vs. 'here', and why they agree but want Re-testing, as part of the qualification process.
(Readers Digest is not one of our most 'in depth' information sources...
had a model of what's happening now as us 'Baby Boomers' drag
it's the Fault of the 'suits' in DC
You're not suggesting that a 'private' clinic
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