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Holly Sox - 29 May 2005 14:50 GMT
Hi, Y'all

My name is Holly, and I'm from SC(hence the greeting), and I have a 13 year
old son who has had seizures since age 7.  His first seizures were grand
mal, about 3 in a year.  He was on Tegretol for a couple of years, then
switched to Depakote to help with behavior management as well. (He was
thought to have ADHD.... more on that later) In 5th grade, he melted down
completely. His teachers were spending half their day one-on-one with him,
so we went through eval for special ed. His fine motor skills had begun to
regress, and he was also dx with central auditory processing disorder.

After months of testing and evaluation, his neurologist finally determined
that he was having partial complex seizures daily. What we thought were
behavior outbursts were actually seizure activity. He felt that the motor
problems were related to the depakote, so switched him to Trileptal, which
we've now been on for 2 years. We are having a really frightening period
right now because of his adolescent growth spurt. He has had a lot more p-c
activity in the last 6 weeks, and on Thursday, had a grand mal that lasted
14 minutes.

I've been lurking here and reading the messages for a few months, but could
really use the support from parents as well as adults with epilepsy who have
made it through this stage.

Someone on an earlier thread mentioned that seizures are much more
frightening for the witnesses than for the person experiencing the seizure.
My son told me Friday, "Mom, it's really sort of serene. I just go to sleep
and wake up in a little while. It's a serene kind of sickness to have."

Nice to meet you all, and I'm glad you are here.

--
Holly F. Sox, RN, RAC-C
Clinical Editor
Careplans.com

www.careplans.com
G.Ross - 29 May 2005 16:33 GMT
> Hi, Y'all
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> sleep
> and wake up in a little while. It's a serene kind of sickness to have."

** I can't imagine who posted that... :-<   Actually several of us have
listed that over last few months. Since once a full CP seizure starts to
generalize, we are aware of little or None of what we do.   That's where the
First Aid charts, etc. come in, and sometimes care needs to be taken with
respect to which sports or activities might prove harmful if we were to have
an Absence or stronger seizure while e.g. on a Motorbike, Driving,  Skating
etc.
  *ALSO, someone might comment here about the effects of Puberty on
Seizures and Medication levels, since I had read that during that period
Body Weight Increase, plus Hormones etc. can mess with some of the anti ep
drugs (AEDs).    Since *my seizures were post Middle Age, I don't have
experience with going through that, but others here did.
*****
   Below is a 'paste from cut' of an earlier list I did of some sites, in
case you didn't see them, in the history queues.   Most of them are provided
or created by people who post here semi-regularly and purloined without
their consent.   If you haven't seen the First Aid ones, those can be
useful.
  The First Aid in water is relatively new.    Those would be particularly
useful if he's into Water Sports or Summer activities that might take him
outdoors to Lake Country or activities where you might not be around.

  Second thing not listed there, but I wondered if they use Medic Alert
Bracelets where you are? and would he *wear one if you got it to give Mom
Peace of Mind?  (i.e. not take it off as the car disappears out of view? )
They need his Blood Type for the bracelet and card, and Teachers or Doctors
can call M.Alert collect from anywhere (in the world) to get Home and Emerg
Contacts,  Doctor's names and contact numbers etc.   There are New ones now
that are plain silver or gold, and don't highlight the Red Snake, but have
the copyright oval  and information that a Medic would recognize, so they're
more like Jewellery than ones from 10 years ago were.
   Some people 'here' have mixed opinions about usefulness of those-- I
found mine paid for itself  from pre-1993  to 1998 when I had my last
seizure. There's a one time charge, and you get reminder once a year to make
sure you didn't move or medical condition didn't change and records need
updating.   (In Canada donations above cost of replacement bracelets are Tax
Deductible under the Charities line on income tax -- don't know if the U.S.
has that deduction too.)
********
   This is the olde post -->  (Note it doesn't include Howdy Dave's website
in this list, my mistake.  Find a recent post of his and his website is
listed at end of posts, click to the site, then click to Add to Favorites,
and keep Dave's Site address there too.)  G./
*****************************
Some weblinks you might not have seen a few days ago, that have useful
information about seizures.  You can likely find your seizure type there
(sounds like Complex Partial like mine?), and it shows that we're not aware
of what we say or do while 'away'.  If it would help any of them you could
print the page, so they'd see how 'easy' it is to make your return more
comfortable and quick, compared to getting into a panic about what to do.
   The main First Aid site I use (Julie put together for us, and Idaho)
is -->
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/seizure.htm  .
(Check the description of 'what we do' for each type.  That's why I thought
your's would be either Complex Partial (Temporal Lobe) or Grand Mal from
description.)

    If in water (swimming etc.) at seizure onset, there's some differences
what to do, that I think are described at
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/seizure2.htm  .

    Learning about Epilepsy for people newly diagnosed or helping others
understand. http://www.epilepsyidaho.org/learn.htm  , and the General
doorway that eventually links to all above but may have other stuff for
people near to Idaho is at http://www.epilepsyidaho.org   .

  Those have lots of useful stuff about taking the 'edge' off learning to
handle seizures for people newly diagnosed and people around us -- family
and co-workers, etc.
  If any Medications are prescribed, the U.S. Ep. Foundation has a large
database of info. but also a Medications Glossary within  http://efa.org
site.       G./

> Nice to meet you all, and I'm glad you are here.
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Holly Sox - 29 May 2005 23:07 GMT
Wow,
Thanks for all the information.  That's exactly what I need.

It's funny.. I am a nurse. I know what to do from a clinical standpoint. But
when it's my child lying there, it seems like everything I know just
disappears.

I have considered the medic alert, and I think he would wear it.  He is (so
far) a wonderful child, and if I said it would make me feel better, that's
all it would take for him to wear it 24/7.

Holly

--
Holly F. Sox, RN, RAC-C
Clinical Editor
Careplans.com

holly@careplans.com      www.careplans.com

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G.Ross - 03 Jun 2005 16:59 GMT
> Wow,
> Thanks for all the information.  That's exactly what I need.
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> Careplans.com
> holly@careplans.com      www.careplans.com

** I just thought too-> ~4 years ago Medic Alert Canada introduced 'Sports
Bands'  for Kids who wear medic alert bracelets.   They're like the Coloured
Sweatbands that were in style then -- if they still are (in style)  -- they
come in Yellow, Red,  Blue or Green?  and the bracelet part is imbedded in
the centre of the band so a Dr. would recognize the Copyright Oval and Snake
and Sword logo,  but others might just think it's a Sportband.   They had
told me at the time they introduced them so that kids didn't feel 'singled
out'  by wearing the other (adult) type of bracelet or necklace.
   I assume if they proved popular that they might still use those now too.
(If Google can't find the link and pictures of samples,  the phone number
should be in your local phone book, and they could give you a www address if
you want to see the pictures before any brochures could arrive.)

  I thought (if you know his blood type, and have Doctor Work and Emerg.
phone numbers) if he's going to any summer camps etc. over the holidays you
could order it sooner if you needed (wanted) to.  Their File will list up to
*3 Doctors with Office and Emerg. Phone numbers, and up to *3 Family
/Emergency contacts on their computer, so if they had to contact either for
any reason that's on the central (worldwide) file.
  The Blood Type and Medical conditions (Epilepsy) are imprinted on Both
the Bracelet back and Wallet card, plus their central computer.  Family and
Medical contacts are on the Wallet card and Central computer only (not the
bracelet).

  Once a year they send an update reminder to make sure the Doctor etc.
haven't changed, or you've  moved and someone forgot to tell them.
 And because there's an International Collect Call number for Doctors etc.
you can go on Vacations or to College without needing to change anything,
other than the computer records at Medic Alert.   G./
owlvee - 29 May 2005 20:44 GMT
Holly,
Well I am owlvee and your son is correct in what he is telling you in
the fact that his seizures "can be" a serene type of sleep probably with
no memory of anything that has happened from the point of dropping or
passing out to the point of waking or returning to alertness.

I have the same feelings during my seizures, no memory, with the only
pain only being usually my tongue afterwards, where I have bitten it,
And now that I am getting older, my body in general:)
Of course there are many other seizures also and I am finding out that
there are almost as many different medications to use. I imagine it is
difficult to get the correct medication with the right body and seizure
type. I know I am still changing, trying to get the right balance with
no luck so far.
But if you look on the epilepsy web sites listed by the ones that post
here then ya will see an whole lot of new medications, reviews, and
support groups.

And hey, ya aren't trying to blame the P-C for any reason are ya:)??

--Not that it couldn't mind you, but it be a cure also-before I get any
responses on the subject--
:)
~..~
owlvee

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Holly Sox - 29 May 2005 23:05 GMT
When I typed p-c, I was referring to his partial complex seizures, as
opposed to his grand mal seizures. I'm not sure which P-C you are referring
to.

;-) I do have a sense of humor, but it's been in short supply this week.

Holly

--
Holly F. Sox, RN, RAC-C
Clinical Editor
Careplans.com

holly@careplans.com      www.careplans.com
> Holly,
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gorf - 30 May 2005 01:29 GMT
> I have the same feelings during my seizures, no memory, with the only
> pain only being usually my tongue afterwards, where I have bitten it,

Gotta agree with that one... my one grand mal consisted of me enjoying
myself on a crowded dance floor and then waking up with the lights on,
my head in my date's lap, and paramedics asking if I'd been drinking or
taking drugs.  No recollection of pain/fear, I have no idea what
happened in that 5 minute time span (or whatever it was).

I had a nasty bump on my head from where I hit a banister near the side
of the room and I felt like I had over-exercised every muscle in my body
(another member in the group many years ago once compared it to being
hit by a mac truck), but that's all after the fact.

Definite confusion though.

I also had some partials as a teenager that I didn't really associate
with my condition until later, but those it felt like I just lost
control of my legs and I would fall down.  Or my arm would "spasm".  No
pain, just a loss of control and a bit of annoyance in that my body
wasn't doing what I wanted it to.

--
gorf
Mary Fisher - 31 May 2005 15:53 GMT
...

> Someone on an earlier thread mentioned that seizures are much more
> frightening for the witnesses than for the person experiencing the
> seizure.
> My son told me Friday, "Mom, it's really sort of serene. I just go to
> sleep
> and wake up in a little while. It's a serene kind of sickness to have."

Oh! That's one of the nicest things I've ever heard said :-)

> Nice to meet you all, and I'm glad you are here.

Yours is a lovely introduction, thanks.

Mary
Holly Sox - 02 Jun 2005 11:53 GMT
Thanks, Mary.

I thought it was pretty neat, as well. But funny, too.

He's a unique person, and very deep spiritually.  My brother-in-law said one
time that he thinks Cody has seizures because there is so much going on in
his mind that his brain shorts out.  It's as good an explanation as anything
else I have heard.

Holly

--
Holly F. Sox, RN, RAC-C
Clinical Editor
Careplans.com

www.careplans.com

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Mary Fisher - 02 Jun 2005 16:54 GMT
> Thanks, Mary.
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> anything
> else I have heard.

No - I think that the spirituality follows the epilepsy. It did with me -
and when the cause of my epilepsy was removed ALL the sensitivity I had to
music, poetry, other people's feelings as well as my enhanced spirituality
disappeared. It was the only part of that time which I regretted.

It's been said very many times that people in history with deep
spirituality, those who hear voices (as I did) and have a very deep
understanding of people were probably epileptic.

I hope your son makes the most of his gift.

Mary
Julie - 31 May 2005 17:33 GMT
Hi Holly, we have many international members, so in case they were wondering,
you are from South Carolina, (a southern state where they have a beautiful
southern drawl and say things like y'all) am I correct?

I have coped with epilepsy since I was a teenager, but being a girl my seizures
tended to be triggered by my menstrual cycle.  Later I realized other things
also triggered my seizures, so I figured out what to stay away from, take my AED
med and rest when needed, and now I have been seizure free for 10 years.

I was very touched by what your son said to comfort you.  What an endearing
young man.  I am very impressed with him, he has a very good and positive
attitude.

I think for me the worst part about grand mal (tonic clonic) seizures is feeling
that one is coming and having the fear that I have no control and when I come
out of a seizure if I have someone yelling at me (panicked) and I cannot yet
respond, it is frustrating.  So when I feel a seizure may be coming I lay down,
even if that means laying right on the floor, no matter where I am.  That way if
I do have a seizure, at least my body won't have to crash to the floor.  My
husband now knows not to yell at me when coming out of a seizure.

Welcome to our group and best wishes to you and your son.

Julie, Volunteer Webmaster
Epilepsy Foundation of Idaho
http://www.epilepsyidaho.org

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Holly Sox - 01 Jun 2005 12:12 GMT
Thank you, Julie.
You are exactly correct; I am from South Carolina, and I think "lovely" is
in the ear of the beholder, so to speak, when it comes to the drawl. I like
it, but some folks don't. ;-)

And thanks for recognizing that my son is a really exceptional kid. He is
the most compassionate and genuinely empathetic person I know, and is
constantly concerned about how others around him are doing. (Sometimes to
the point of getting in trouble at school when defending someone he thinks
is being treated unfairly.)  I work in a nursing home, and his favorite
thing to do in the summer is come to work with me and help with activities.

Okay... enough bragging. I really appreciate the information and
understanding you all have. Cody is reaching the age where he is forming his
own identity and understanding of himself. I can see that it's going to be
hard for me to let him do that at times, because I worry so much.   Reading
this group is helping me to understand and accept that he is going to be
fine, no matter what. I can trust that God, the docs and the medicine have
things under control.

Thanks again.

Holly

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Holly F. Sox, RN, RAC-C
Clinical Editor
Careplans.com

www.careplans.com
> Hi Holly, we have many international members, so in case they were wondering,
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Dave ©¿©¬ - 01 Jun 2005 20:00 GMT
Howdy Holly!

Did you post here a few years ago?

I seem to recall somebody else posting who had a little boy (maybe an
infant?) named "Cody"!

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Holly Sox - 02 Jun 2005 00:12 GMT
Nope, it wasn't me.

It's a great name, though. ;-)

Holly

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Clinical Editor
Careplans.com

www.careplans.com
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Dave ©¿©¬ - 31 May 2005 18:17 GMT
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Howdy Holly!

The only type of seizure that I'm aware of are simple partials.

To the best of my knowledge, if a person is having a partial seizure and
they are oblivious to the environment around them then BY DEFINITION they
are having a complex partial.

Since I don't get auras as a foreshadowing of T-C seizures, the only ways I
know that I had a T-C or a complex partial is if I hurt myself during the
seizure or if somebody tells me about it afterwards.

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Dave ©¿©¬ - 31 May 2005 18:26 GMT
> > Hi, Y'all
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> they are oblivious to the environment around them then BY DEFINITION they
> are having a complex partial.

I always assumed that the opposite was also true (if a person is having a CP
then BY DEFINITION they are oblivious to their environment.

Guess you learn something new every day, eh?

> Since I don't get auras as a foreshadowing of T-C seizures, the only ways I
> know that I had a T-C or a complex partial is if I hurt myself during the
> seizure or if somebody tells me about it afterwards.
Chris aka Rewired - 02 Jun 2005 00:36 GMT
Hi Holly,
I have had epil since 8 month old. I remember that my sz's did increase
during my teenage yrs. the CP and the Generlized.
I have forwarded your response to my mom, who was a MSN.
Chris
Holly Sox - 02 Jun 2005 11:53 GMT
Thank you, Chris.

I don't know anyone else IRL who has a child with epilepsy and it'd be nice
to hear from another nurse-mom.

Holly

--
Holly F. Sox, RN, RAC-C
Clinical Editor
Careplans.com

www.careplans.com
> Hi Holly,
> I have had epil since 8 month old. I remember that my sz's did increase
> during my teenage yrs. the CP and the Generlized.
> I have forwarded your response to my mom, who was a MSN.
> Chris
 
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