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Victim of a Stagedive - 25 Aug 2003 17:15 GMT
Subject: Seizures while falling asleep?
From: peterfinan@aol.comNOSHITE  (Victim of a Stagedive)
Date: 25/08/2003 16:42 GMT Standard Time
Message-id: <20030825114227.11818.00000451@mb-m11.aol.com>

Hi there all.

For as long as I can remember I have had these strange episodes while falling
asleep, but they have become much more frequent and intense recently, probably
due to anxiety, or work, or both.

Just as I fall asleep it feels like a powerful battery has been attached to my
head, and I jolt up, everything feels like it has flipped inside my head, then
I feel utterly disoriented and confused; sometimes I can remember a howl or
moan. This may happen more than once in a night. A few beers lessens the
severity of the episodes, but doesn't eliminate them.

The day after one of these episodes I am completely exhausted and ache all
over, especially my shoulders.

I'm asking the questions now because it is beginning to affect my work and
family life. Just out of interest, my daughter who is 8 has had severe epilepsy
from the age of two, and I used to have seizures as a child.

Thanks for any help,

Peter (35, Yorkshire, U.K)
CyberCafe - 25 Aug 2003 18:20 GMT
> Subject: Seizures while falling asleep?
> From: peterfinan@aol.comNOSHITE  (Victim of a Stagedive)
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>
> Peter (35, Yorkshire, U.K)

I have heard there are some people who only have nocturnal seizures.  I have had
many seizures while trying to fall asleep, and it really didn't matter if it was a
daytime nap or retiring for the night because they felt exactly the same.  Once in
a while, I would wake during the night because of a seizure, but apparently I was
sleeping through most of them.  I would be in that twilight stage when you've just
dozed off when the beginning of the seizure would jolt me awake.  I would be awake
for the seizure and then fall asleep exhausted.  In the morning, I felt more tired
than when I went to bed.

Peter, you do need to see a doctor for two primary reasons; first, a past known
history of seizures and secondly, they are affecting your life.

Barb
TIMMCO - 25 Aug 2003 18:48 GMT
Barb says:  Peter, you do need to see a doctor for two primary reasons; first,
a past known history of seizures and secondly, they are affecting your life.

There are millions of "doctors" out here, and unless one is found who has
experience with this particular condition, it may well be a waste of time and
money.

I wish folks would ease up on the panacea of "seeing a doctor" as if this was a
guaranteed solution.  It just creates a very temporary illusion.  It seems to
be more about the need of the speaker for having an "authorative" solution.    
Tim
CyberCafe - 25 Aug 2003 21:08 GMT
> Barb says:  Peter, you do need to see a doctor for two primary reasons; first,
> a past known history of seizures and secondly, they are affecting your life.
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> guaranteed solution.  It just creates a very temporary illusion.  It seems to
> be more about the need of the speaker for having an "authorative" solution.

You know, for 20 years I tried to fix this problem by myself, and it didn't work.
I have never met or heard of any adult who was able to permanently cure themselves
of epilepsy.  Why waste all the time experimenting on yourself.  Why spend all the
money on useless cures.  Why should a person miss work, repeatedly wake up feeling
cra**y, put themselves or someone else in danger, and so on.  I have met a couple
of people who were involved in accidents because of their seizures and were being
sued through the teeth.  Now is that fair to the families of these patients.  I
mean, a responsible adult has to do what is required even if they don't like it.

At one point, I reported this problem to a doctor, and he didn't know what was
going on, so I agree that getting the right doctor could make a big difference.  In
my region, you just can't make an appointment to a neurologist; you have to be
referred by another physician.  A primary care physcian is going to try to rule out
anything else that could possibly cause similiar symptoms before he/she sends a
person to neurology.

Doctors, including neurologists, are not Gods, but they sure as heck know a lot
more about the medical aspects of epilepsy than we do.

Barb

> Tim
Jacki - 28 Aug 2003 05:58 GMT
it has taken me over 10 months to have all the referrels to get other
tests and see other docs before i got to see a neurologist. it took him
another 2 months to put me on meds. then another 2 months on these
worthless meds til i see him again. this diagnosis took a long while. i
don't expect the cure to come overnight, if ever. am i disillusioned?
yes, but i'm still hopeful. i'm not ready to give in without a fight.
i'll see any doc they want if there's any hope i can be helped.
                   Jacki
CyberCafe - 01 Sep 2003 23:08 GMT
> it has taken me over 10 months to have all the referrels to get other
> tests and see other docs before i got to see a neurologist. it took him
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> yes, but i'm still hopeful. i'm not ready to give in without a fight.
> i'll see any doc they want if there's any hope i can be helped.

Whoops!  I didn't see your response until today.

The referral time seems awfully long to me too.

The medication time frame is par for the course.  For myself, the first med
I was allergic to, and then they put me on Dilantin.  It took almost a year
from the date I took my first pill, the one I was allergic to, until the
final dose was established.  That was back in 1989-1990.  A couple of years
ago, they upped my dose because of incomplete control during illnesses.

I don't know if there is such a thing as a "cure" (not including seizures
that can be resolved by surgery).  I've known people who have gone long
periods of time without problems, but I also know a lot of people who were
doing great and suddenly started having problems again.  I think every
person I know with epilepsy has had either a medication change or dosage
change at some point.

Barb

>                     Jacki
Victim of a Stagedive - 25 Aug 2003 19:02 GMT
> I would be in that twilight stage when you've just
>dozed off when the beginning of the seizure would jolt me awake.  I would be
>awake
>for the seizure and then fall asleep exhausted.  In the morning, I felt more
>tired
>than when I went to bed.

Hi Barb - what you say here rings so true to me - it always happens in that
twilight stage, and it jolts me awake - then some strange stuff happens, then I
fall asleep, then I wake up thinking "Oh no, not morning already, I could do
with at least another 6 hours in bed"

You know, it may be that I am just aware of the beginning of a seizure but am
not aware of the rest. I used to think I was just a lazy bastard, and as my
wife will tell you, I can sleep anytime, no problem, because I am just so tired
all the time.

There was a program on sleep disorders on TV here the other night, and they
showed a guy having a night-time EEG - I think that's what I need, because
they're never gonna pick it up in the daytime.

I think I will see a doctor - trouble is I can't in the next month - on hols
for the next week then two weeks abroad for business. There's a part of me that
says "Well, it's not that bad, you can carry on OK for most of the time", then
another part of me says "Something is going on, it's beginning to affect your
life, it's not getting better, in fact it's getting worse, so get some help".

Thanks for all your help,

Peter
CyberCafe - 25 Aug 2003 21:14 GMT
> > I would be in that twilight stage when you've just
> >dozed off when the beginning of the seizure would jolt me awake.  I would be
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>
> Thanks for all your help,

Peter, I'm not saying your symptoms are or are not epilepsy.  I just wanted to
present what happens to me and see if resembled what was happening to you.  You've
got to trust your instincts; if you think something is wrong, you've got to get it
checked out.  Glad you are smart enough to have realized that.

Barb

> Peter
Mary Fisher - 26 Aug 2003 22:38 GMT
> I'm asking the questions now because it is beginning to affect my work and
> family life. Just out of interest, my daughter who is 8 has had severe epilepsy
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Peter (35, Yorkshire, U.K)

Peter,

Go to your GP. You will be sent for tests which might or might not show a
problem, then to a neurologist. Your symptoms won't be ignored or laughed
at. Once you present with certain conditions in UK there are procedures laid
down which must be followed.

I used to have minor incidents like yours, which didn't affect my life but
weren't pleasant but I didn't go to the GP until I had a grand mal. Luckily
it was early enough to have a tumour removed and all was well. That was ten
years ago and I'm fine now.

You must persist, you don't want your condition to worsen.

Mary (64, Leeds)
Victim of a Stagedive - 27 Aug 2003 00:20 GMT
>I used to have minor incidents like yours, which didn't affect my life but
>weren't pleasant but I didn't go to the GP until I had a grand mal. Luckily
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>
>Mary (64, Leeds)

That makes me a little nervous Mary, but I will see a consultant tomorrow.
I don't want to leave my wonderful wife and children without a friend, so I
will look for the help.

Thanks for your input,

Best Wishes,

Peter
 
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