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My wife has been taking Metformin(750 Extended release) and Symlin (180mcg 3 times a day) for the BG benefit and the help with weigh loss. She and the doctor have started to see if adding Byetta at 5mcg twice a day will help edge her doena bit more on the BG, as well as even more weight loss. Anyone try Symlin and Byetta together? First few days so far and her BG seem to spike higher than before. > My wife has been taking Metformin(750 Extended release) and Symlin (180mcg 3 > times a day) for the BG benefit and the help with weigh loss. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Anyone try Symlin and Byetta together? First few days so far and her BG > seem to spike higher than before. My understanding is that you should not take them together. PP > My wife has been taking Metformin(750 Extended release) and Symlin (180mcg > 3 times a day) for the BG benefit and the help with weigh loss. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Anyone try Symlin and Byetta together? First few days so far and her BG > seem to spike higher than before. Symlin is to be taken in conjunction with Insulin, not on it's own. That is what Byetta is for. As far as Symlin being used for weight loss, that is not what that is for. It only causes weight loss because the person is too nausious to eat and after taking it, causes a hell of a full feeling. But that is what the natural hormone Amylin does anyhow when triggered by the brain, Symlin causes it prematurely which isn't good. IMHO, your wife should be on Byetta and not Symlin and they shouldn't be used together period! I've been using Symlin since it first came on the market. But I also don't take any oral medication. pico blvd >> My wife has been taking Metformin(750 Extended release) and Symlin >> (180mcg 3 times a day) for the BG benefit and the help with weigh loss. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > pico blvd She was on Insulin, but with the simlyn has been able to completely control her BG with Symlin and the metformin. Yea for no more insulin..... insulin is bad for weight loss > She was on Insulin, but with the simlyn has been able to completely control > her BG with Symlin and the metformin. Yea for no more insulin..... > > insulin is bad for weight loss I don't believe insulin is bad for weight loss as long as you also moderate and level carb intake throughout the day. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Susan Actually the doctors have mentioned more than once that the more insulin you take, the harder it is to loose weight. <snip> > Actually the doctors have mentioned more than once that the more > insulin you take, the harder it is to loose weight. That's often because many end up chasing insulin lows with carbs and then chasing carb highs with insulin. Some have those highs and lows for other reasons. However most don't manage to spread the carbs evenly through the day and get insulin peaks and valleys as the modern dosing system doesn't have a Real-time feedback loop. Cindy Wells (Insulin resistance gives the same result but exercise and keeping the carb intake uniform helps greatly.) >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Actually the doctors have mentioned more than once that the more insulin > you take, the harder it is to loose weight. I agree with that! >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Actually the doctors have mentioned more than once that the more insulin > you take, the harder it is to loose weight. To the 'uneducated' me, the formula is simple - "now that I take insulin, I don't have to exercise as much, and I can eat more" then one says "insulin has made me gain weight" Eat less carbs+exercise more= take less insulin (or no insulin) Henry Mydlarz > To the 'uneducated' me, the formula is simple - "now that I take insulin, I > don't have to exercise as much, and I can eat more" then one says "insulin > has made me gain weight" > > Eat less carbs+exercise more= take less insulin (or no insulin) Exactly. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Susan I am reluctantly putting this theory to the test. Due to illness, my exercise level has gone down. My bg numbers have been creeping up (I don't need to wait for a HbA1c to see that). I have reduced my carb intake and need to reduce it more. I admit it is a test of my willpower. Henry > > x-no-archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > need to wait for a HbA1c to see that). I have reduced my carb intake and > need to reduce it more. I admit it is a test of my willpower. It isn't easy at first. What helped me reduce carbs was to think about the goodies I could eat. Avocados got me a long way! And walnuts are a key part of my diet even now.  Signature"[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly. This, apparently, upsets the fools." ---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest > To the 'uneducated' me, the formula is simple - "now that I take insulin, > I don't have to exercise as much, and I can eat more" then one says > "insulin has made me gain weight" > > Eat less carbs+exercise more= take less insulin (or no insulin) That is not true for me at all! > That is not true for me at all! You really ought to mention that your disease, whatever it is, does not behave at all like most type 2 diabetes. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > > > That is not true for me at all! > > You really ought to mention that your disease, whatever it is, does not > behave at all like most type 2 diabetes. Good point. And YOU should mention your many medical conditions and lifestyle choices that make you an untypical diabetic, or at least much different from any diabetics in these newsgroups or whom I've ever met. I can't remember, were you ever "officially" diagnosed by a professional doctor as having diabetes? Kurt On Jul 22, 2:52?pm, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You really ought to mention that your disease, whatever it is, does not > behave at all like most type 2 diabetes. Good point. And YOU should mention your many medical conditions and lifestyle choices that make you an untypical diabetic, or at least much different from any diabetics in these newsgroups or whom I've ever met. I can't remember, were you ever "officially" diagnosed by a professional doctor as having diabetes? Oh f.ck off Kurt. Of course I was! How could I have high BG if I don't have diabetes? How could I have the neuropathy and gastroparesis? Yeah, I know there can be other causes. I have told my story here MANY times! Kept going to the Dr. with what I now know are symptoms of diabetes. Was told while pregnant that I had GD. I think it was not GD but type 2 given that it came on so early in the pregnancy. After I had the baby, I was told my diabetes went away, although to my knowledge I wasn't tested for it. I didn't test my blood at home when I had the GD for several reasons. One, I saw 5 Drs. at the time. 2 said I had it and 3 said I didn't. So it wasn't taken seriously. I had finger sticks at the lab every Friday and was put on the Exchange Plan. We moved from MA to CA when Angela was 3 months old. I was having symptoms then like weird feelings in my legs and chronic ear infections. Wound up in the ER for the ear infection on the way to there. Then when it didn't go away, couldn't find a Dr. who could see me in a timely fashion. Eventually got into a Dr. Bounced from Dr. to Dr. and kept being told there was nothing wrong with me except for the ear infections and they didn't know why I had them. Then one Dr. said I had diabetes. Gave me no diet, no meds, said nothing about a meter. Sent me on my merry way. I freaked. Husband called back because I was too upset. Dr. told him he never said I had diabetes. Saw another Dr. Was tested. Was told I didn't have it. What test did they do? Fasting finger stick and 24 hour urine collection. Then eventually went on vacation here to WA. Was sick as a dog the whole time. Upset stomach, couldn't walk. Wound up in the ER in Yreka on the way back. Was told I had diabetes and to see my Dr. Already had an appointment with an Endo. for a thyroid problem that cropped up while I was pregnant. Endo. confirmed my diabetes via A1c. It was 10.0. > On Jul 22, 2:52?pm, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Endo. confirmed my diabetes via A1c. �It was 10.0. My post was about Susan. Kurt >> On Jul 22, 2:52?pm, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Kurt lol. I think that's the first time I have seen Julie say the f word too. Ah well, back to normal programming. > >> "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > lol. I think that's the first time I have seen Julie say the f word too. Yes, a definite step up from her usual "Gah!" and "Sheesh!" But Julie is making an improvement. Before she wasn't reading anything that didn't "pertain" to her, now she at least is reading things that pertain to Susan. Hey, one step at a time. :) >Ah > well, back to normal programming LOL Kurt > Oh f.ck off Kurt. Of course I was! How could I have high BG if I don't > have diabetes? How could I have the neuropathy and gastroparesis? Yeah, I > know there can be other causes. > > I have told my story here MANY times! [snip] Julie, I think you quoted the troll addressing me. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Julie, I think you quoted the troll addressing me. Sorry. I misunderstood. But the f.ck off still stands! :) > Sorry. I misunderstood. But the f.ck off still stands! :) Make it a double. Susan >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Sorry. I misunderstood. But the f.ck off still stands! :) :-)) > On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:58:26 -0700, "Julie Bove" > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > �:-)) Pavlovian > On Jul 22, 2:52?pm, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote: > > x-no-archive: yes [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Oh f.ck off Kurt. Of course I was! Julie, Kurt was talking to Susan. PP >> On Jul 22, 2:52?pm, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote: >> > x-no-archive: yes [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Julie, Kurt was talking to Susan. Yes, I know that now but I still want him to f.ck off! :) > > To the 'uneducated' me, the formula is simple - "now that I take insulin, > > I don't have to exercise as much, and I can eat more" then one says [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That is not true for me at all! Julie, I think you need to make yourself a sig file containing a disclosure like, "My body behaves very idiosyncratically, so anything I say about my experience may have no bearing on anyone else, nor do anyone else's pronouncements need to always be denied by me. Assume I'm different." Just a suggestion. PP, T2 >> > To the 'uneducated' me, the formula is simple - "now that I take >> > insulin, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Just a suggestion. But then that would appear on every newsgroup I post to. There is no way with OE to make one sig for one newsgroup. >>>> To the 'uneducated' me, the formula is simple - "now that I take >>>> insulin, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > But then that would appear on every newsgroup I post to. There is no > way with OE to make one sig for one newsgroup. You can have multiple sig files in OE. When you click on insert signature in an individual message the list will pop up and you choose which sig, if any, to insert. >>>>> To the 'uneducated' me, the formula is simple - "now that I take >>>>> insulin, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > in an individual message the list will pop up and you choose which sig, if > any, to insert. I've never seen that option. When I used to have a sig, it was in all posts everywhere. On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:43:41 -0700 in misc.health.diabetes Julie Bove <juliebove@verizon.net> posted: >>> "Peppermint Patootie" <peppermint_patootie@yahoo.com> wrote in message <snip> >>>> Julie, I think you need to make yourself a sig file containing a >>>> disclosure like, "My body behaves very idiosyncratically, so [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I've never seen that option. When I used to have a sig, it was in all posts > everywhere. Ah, yeah, G'day Julie et al. Composed on Ozdate Sat 25/7 1:30 pm Posted later when back on-line. The steps are On the main page of OE, where all your groups etc are listed go to tab Tools - a drop down appears, select the bottom one - Options Options - a set of tabs appears, select Signatures - it will be on the last right tab either top or bottom tab. No need to Check "Add signatures to all outgoing messages", that will put yor "default" signature at the end of the post automatically. Under "Signatures" create or add a signature named for example "diabetes". Under "Edit Signature" Select Text Add text of, for example (and without the quotation remarks) " My body behaves very idiosyncratically, so anything I say about my experience may have no bearing on anyone else, nor do anyone else's pronouncements need to always be denied by me. Assume I'm different. " Or Under "Edit Signature" Select File Enter the name of the file or browse to it. Click "OK" and return to the main page. When composing a reply Position your cursor where you want your signature. Select "Insert" from the top of the page Select "Signature" Select the signature you want to use. eg "Diabetes" A bit of work but it can be done. Most other NewsReaders are simpler. Good luck. Lindsay in OZ (Which only partly explains the date + spelling styles) M, 57, Non diabetic but familiarly involved So I lurk, don't post often - usually in non medical threads. "It is in the shelter of each other that people live." Irish Proverb >>>> "Peppermint Patootie" <peppermint_patootie@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Good luck. Thanks. I probably won't remember to do that though. > Actually the doctors have mentioned more than once that the more insulin you > take, the harder it is to loose weight. Exactly. And the more carbs you eat and the less you move around, the more insulin/weight you end up with. Susan >>> My wife has been taking Metformin(750 Extended release) and Symlin >>> (180mcg 3 times a day) for the BG benefit and the help with weigh loss. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > insulin is bad for weight loss well I don't need to lose weight. I just need insulin to stay alive. but yeah, you need more insulin when you eat more, thus needing to lose more weight. so easy solution. don't eat so damn much! and you won't need so much insulin then it won't be hard to lose weight. simple solution. pico > well I don't need to lose weight. I just need insulin to stay alive. > but yeah, you need more insulin when you eat more, thus needing to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > pico Not really all that simple though, but it is a good sound bite. :-) Cheri > Not really all that simple though, but it is a good sound bite. :-) My thoughts, exactly. While it's true that a type 1 is going to need insulin for both protein and carb meals, fat is another matter and protein won't require a bit insulin bolus all at once the way a high carb meal will. But it is true that a very large meal will require higher amounts of insulin. Several smaller meals per day would make more sense. Keeping insulin levels lower, not just less of it across a whole day, is important to avoiding complications including insulin resistance and excess fat storage. Susan >well I don't need to lose weight. I just need insulin to stay alive. >but yeah, you need more insulin when you eat more, thus needing to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >pico So, with that philosophy and without a sig to help us out, I take it you are a T1 and you consider T2 to be a self-inflicted condition? > >well I don't need to lose weight. I just need insulin to stay alive. > >but yeah, you need more insulin when you eat more, thus needing to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So, with that philosophy and without a sig to help us out, I take it > you are a T1 and you consider T2 to be a self-inflicted condition? Hey Pico, Welcome to the Anal S. interrogation club. Hope the glaring light doesn't bother you...and of course I'm talking about the one coming off his head. :) Kurt >> >well I don't need to lose weight. I just need insulin to stay alive. >> >but yeah, you need more insulin when you eat more, thus needing to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Kurt Kurt, following pico's bleat about my apparent obsession with you when I returned I have been studiously ignoring your posts. Sometimes with some difficulty. Now that I have had time to read some of pico's posts, such as the little bit of simplistic nonsense above, I am less concerned about his or her opinion. I have noticed some good, informed and intelligent posts by pico but the attitude to T2's is there too, not dissimilar to yours. However, those good posts convinced me that my initial suspicion of a sock-puppet was unfounded. You, on the other hand, have made no attempt to avoid my posts and I can see we are back on mutually antagonistic ground. > On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:51:31 -0700 (PDT), Kurt > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I returned I have been studiously ignoring your posts. Sometimes with > some difficulty. Well Pico's "bleat" about your was spot on. As far as your studiously ignoring my posts you wallowed like a pig in mud with glee at someone telling me to f.ck off. Even if it was Julie who you, and everyone else, have been chastising because she has turned the newsgroups into a pity party of one. In this case I guess the old expression could be rewritten: "The enemy who's my enemy is my friend as long as they spew obscenities at Kurt." JULIE: Sorry. I misunderstood. But the f.ck off still stands! :) Alan S: :-)) Ham on rye, hold the mayo and self-righteousness. Kurt "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:b781ed57-a4e1-4a4e-aee3- Well Pico's "bleat" about your was spot on. As far as your studiously ignoring my posts you wallowed like a pig in mud with glee at someone telling me to f.ck off. Even if it was Julie who you, and everyone else, have been chastising because she has turned the newsgroups into ======= Not everyone. It's never "everyone." :-) Cheri > "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Cheri Good point...as usual. Kurt >>> >well I don't need to lose weight. I just need insulin to stay alive. >>> >but yeah, you need more insulin when you eat more, thus needing to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > yours. However, those good posts convinced me that my initial > suspicion of a sock-puppet was unfounded. While your reply was for Kurt, I'll jump in here for a moment. Two things, first, I'm not a sock-puppet and really take offense to the implication of such. But then you are Alan, I really shouldn't expect much else, now should I? (that is a rhetorical question). Second, as for the "attitude to T2's is there too". You aren't a T1 and therefore have zero understanding on how many T1's are treated. I've seen Tim Shoppa post many times about this problem we have. When we need to find a new doctor or meet another doctor for another reason we are interogated about being a T1. If you aren't a little kid, teen or young adult, or happen to have a few extra pounds on the backside you have doctors trying to change your insulin, tell you that pills will work for you, just get a little exercise and your diabetes will go away. Well gee, that would be really nice, why no one told me this 20 odd years ago, could have saved me a billion shots. Well that isn't going to work and many T1's have a distain for T2's that is underlying which yes, we shouldn't have, but we do, I know mine comes from years of sh.t I've received from the medical community. Save this post, because I'll never say this again, because while I have nothing to feel sorry about, I'll apologize _if_ my attitude for T2's come across in any post I might post. I'm not speaking for all T1's, I'm sure there are a few that can say the same. Now back to lurkdom until I find the need to post again. > You, on the other hand, have made no attempt to avoid my posts and I > can see we are back on mutually antagonistic ground. >>>> >well I don't need to lose weight. I just need insulin to stay alive. >>>> >but yeah, you need more insulin when you eat more, thus needing to [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >> You, on the other hand, have made no attempt to avoid my posts and I >> can see we are back on mutually antagonistic ground. I'm a type 2 and no medical person has EVER told me my diabetes will go away. None have said that only a pill will work and in fact they have all told me that eventually I would wind up on insulin. I am now on it. > Second, as for the "attitude to T2's is there too". You aren't a T1 and > therefore have zero [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > doctor for another > reason we are interogated about being a T1. Actually, the non-endo docs aren't too bad. I have to remind them that kids with T1 do grow up to be adults with T1, but after that they usually seem to get it. I've gone to highly recommended endos, who are completely convinced that everything ever done in my life so far is wrong, that there's no way I should be allowed to adjust my insulin doses myself, and that I have to go take a glucose tolerance test before he'll treat me. That was a disaster. But certainly the exception. But nurses, aides, phlebotomists, and some specialists (e.g. opthamologists) really don't get it. Many times I've gone in for my regular blood drawing, the phlebotomist or aide sees "oh, it says you need an A1C. Well, don't worry, you're skinny, I'm sure you don't have diabetes". This isn't just ignorance of T1, it's ignorance that a lot of T2's are skinny as well. Tim. But nurses, aides, phlebotomists, and some specialists (e.g. opthamologists) really don't get it. Many times I've gone in for my regular blood drawing, the phlebotomist or aide sees "oh, it says you need an A1C. Well, don't worry, you're skinny, I'm sure you don't have diabetes". This isn't just ignorance of T1, it's ignorance that a lot of T2's are skinny as well. Some of us managed to get back to skinny with a lot of hard work, exercise, & attention to detail. I've met medic people who almost seemed to *resent* my success in the weight-loss/maintenance department -- I think a couple of phlebotos have made an effort to do it *more* painfully, and a nurse I met (while inpatient recovering from unrelated surgery) who was downright snippy about it. (given how they look themselves, I just figured they were jealous....) This doesn't even count the people who say something like "you don't look like a type 2." But my doctors have all been very pleased with me. bj In article <08e24243-2928-4ef5-ac50-6172ee827b2f@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, > > Second, as for the "attitude to T2's is there too". You aren't a T1 and > > therefore have zero [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > diabetes". This isn't just ignorance of T1, it's ignorance that a lot > of T2's are skinny as well. Once when I had a question about unexpectedly high fasting BGs (the question was when I should worry), I ended up seeing my GPs PA. He knew what I was coming in for, had my entire file in front of him, but when he saw my latest lab work, he tried to tell me that I didn't really have diabetes. (It was this GP who had diagnosed me, with an A1c of 15 and a random BG of 350!) Needless to say, I'm not going to see him again. Signature"[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly. This, apparently, upsets the fools." ---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest > In article > <08e24243-2928-4ef5-ac50-6172ee827b2f@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > diabetes. (It was this GP who had diagnosed me, with an A1c of 15 and a > random BG of 350!) Needless to say, I'm not going to see him again. I lost count of the number of times I heard this "my diabetes is now cured" or "my doctor said I don't have to worry about it any longer" henever I tried to explain that no - diabetes can never be cured, it falls on deaf ears. Just like people who are told they have "borderline diabetes" and not the "real diabetes" or the people who are told they have the "mild diabetes" because they do not "have to" be on insulin. Anything to avoid making the lifestyle changes one needs to make. Henry > > In article > > <08e24243-2928-4ef5-ac50-6172ee827b2f@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > because they do not "have to" be on insulin. Anything to avoid making the > lifestyle changes one needs to make. I don't expect lay people to get it, but when it's a medical person, especially one who's supposed to be treating me, that's a different story. Signature"[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly. This, apparently, upsets the fools." ---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest >> I lost count of the number of times I heard this "my diabetes is now cured" >> or "my doctor said I don't have to worry about it any longer" henever I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >especially one who's supposed to be treating me, that's a different >story. Kind of like my RN neighbor who told me my 300 readings meant I had a "little sugar problem" but I wasn't a "real" diabetic because her brother was a "brittle diabetic" and *that* is "real" diabetes? >> > In article >> > <08e24243-2928-4ef5-ac50-6172ee827b2f@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > especially one who's supposed to be treating me, that's a different > story. Alice, I think someone should put on their website a collection of statements doctors have made about diabetes. It would make both amusing and horrifying reading. Henry. > I think someone should put on their website a collection of statements > doctors have made about diabetes. It would make both amusing and > horrifying reading. Don't limit it to diabetes. I'm sure every disease has its clunkers. "You have the *good* cancer" tops a list I'm on. alt version: "if you have to have cancer this is the one to get." My first (ex) endo said that as far as he was concerned I was cured (of the cancer) -- months before any testing could show whether or not treatment had been effective -- and this is a cancer that can recur decades later to boot. (that rather lackadaisical attitude was the final straw in Why I Left.) He was "ex" before I needed anything dm-related other than strips & labs (which I got from my PCP), so I never got into discussing dm with him, though he did notice & was pleased with my results -- and no, he didn't say I was "cured" of diabetes! bj >"You have the *good* cancer" tops a list I'm on. >alt version: "if you have to have cancer this is the one to get." Yep. Got that on my first visit to the haemotologist. he didn't understand my fear-caused anger. I hope yours still is the "good one". I've been lucky. Many of my friends on the CLL list were not. Cheers, Alan, Australia. -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Jerash, an Ancient City in Jordan) >>"You have the *good* cancer" tops a list I'm on. >>alt version: "if you have to have cancer this is the one to get." [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cheers, Alan, Australia. > -- So far I've been lucky. One of my nagging test results seems to have taken a turn for the better -- but I don't trust it yet as a one-off. :-) bj >> I think someone should put on their website a collection of statements >> doctors have made about diabetes. It would make both amusing and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I was "cured" of diabetes! > bj The problem with being told that you are cured of diabetes can have quite tragic consequences Henry >>> I think someone should put on their website a collection of statements >>> doctors have made about diabetes. It would make both amusing and [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > tragic consequences > Henry Ditto for cancer. And a lot of other things. Being told you're "cured" not only might be factually wrong, it can make you skip doing the things that got you there & getting the regular checkups that say you're still there. Nobody (other than that first endo) has ever told me I'm "cured" of any of my chronic conditions or ailments. They're just kept under control & I have all my checkups & daily routines to keep them there (I hope). bj >>>> I think someone should put on their website a collection of >>>> statements doctors have made about diabetes. It would make both [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > control & I have all my checkups & daily routines to keep them there > (I hope). bj Very good post bj. >>> The problem with being told that you are cured of diabetes can have >>> quite tragic consequences [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Very good post bj. Thank you for your support. bj >>>> >well I don't need to lose weight. I just need insulin to stay alive. >>>> >but yeah, you need more insulin when you eat more, thus needing to [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Alan, I really shouldn't expect much else, now should I? (that is a >rhetorical question). Fascinating. I think I know what you mean but I'm damned if I know why you think that. I seem to have developed a problem with someone before I ever met them. What did I do to you to get up your nose? You jumped in to criticise my comments on Kurt with no knowledge at all of our past encounters, going back several years to a period where Kurt and a little band of happily-departed sycophants caused major disruptions to this group. The old-timers here will remember that well. Were you lurking here in the era of Tom, and Sally (Mslangerhans) and the others? And some of those definitely were sock-puppets. Before you wade into an argument it is very wise to learn a little about the protaganists and their history. Kurt's posts to this group are on the record. Occasional chats as aq nice guy, lots of links without comment to ADA pages and carefully worded snipes at type 2 discussions of low carb or "test, test, test" and similar subjects. >Second, as for the "attitude to T2's is there too". You aren't a T1 and >therefore have zero >understanding on how many T1's are treated. I've seen Tim Shoppa post many >times about >this problem we have. I haven't. If that is true I would believe it from Tim, but not from you. I respect Tim and I do not recall any such occasion where he has complained about this of me. I accept that I am not T1. That does not mean I don't attempt to understand the problems of T1. I take the time to try to understand the differences and I am well aware that you have a very different condition with some symptoms in common but very different needs for treatment. Since I arrived on this forum seven years ago I learnt a lot from the T1s, including Mack, Guy, Alan M and many others over the years. We occasionally disagreed, but that is to be expected in any group. But none of them had the attitude problems Kurt has. I do not presume to suggest, or even imply, that T1s should eat like I do, test like I do nor exercise like I do. Go back through my posts, as you seem to take an interest in them, and find where I have done that if you can. Can you say the same in reverse about Kurt, or yourself? >When we need to find a new doctor or meet another >doctor for another [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >comes from years >of sh.t I've received from the medical community. I will not accept responsibility for your incorrect understanding of T2 based on your poor choice of doctors and their misunderstandings of T1. Nor do I believe that justifies your attitude. > Save this post, because >I'll never say this again, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >there are a few that can >say the same. It comes across in quite a few and is difficult to miss in the one that started this conversation. >Now back to lurkdom until I find the need to post again. Up to you. >> You, on the other hand, have made no attempt to avoid my posts and I >> can see we are back on mutually antagonistic ground. > Fascinating. I think I know what you mean but I'm damned if I know why > you think that. I seem to have developed a problem with someone before [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > lurking here in the era of Tom, and Sally (Mslangerhans) and �the > others? And some of those definitely were sock-puppets. Wow. Someone has their down-underoos in an uproar today. Of course, it's important to keep in mind that this is the world according to Alan and in your world you take no responsibility for the major disruptions you have caused in both newsgroups. I could spend at least an hour here rebutting your usual nasty comments and revisionist history, but that's more your m.o. However, there is one thing I will address. I post the ADA information without comment because I believe everyone should form their own opinions instead of having some kind of "spin" put on it to fit a personal agenda. Sorry your life is so sad and you're such a victim. Maybe someday every diabetic will take what you have to say as the gospel, bow down to your all knowingness, and allow you to bash the ADA, the medical profession, and T1's with impunity. Perhaps then you won't be such a obsessive, condescending, and sanctimonious a.s. Kurt >> Fascinating. I think I know what you mean but I'm damned if I know why >> you think that. I seem to have developed a problem with someone before [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Kurt Don't judge others based on your own ills Kurt. I am neither sad nor feeling victimised. Just setting the record straight. 'bye for the moment. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 2000 mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Lancet Change - St Swithun's Day) http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Jerash, an Ancient City in Jordan) Alan Have you noticed your Sig has disappeared from your posts? >Alan Have you noticed your Sig has disappeared from your posts? Yep. An after-effect of my Agent problem. It appears when I take the trouble to add it for each post. >>>>> >well I don't need to lose weight. I just need insulin to stay alive. >>>>> >but yeah, you need more insulin when you eat more, thus needing to [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] >>> You, on the other hand, have made no attempt to avoid my posts and I >>> can see we are back on mutually antagonistic ground. last post but to clarify, I also posted to mhd back in the mid 90's actually I was posting to a diabetic fido newsfeed then switched to prodigy. I'm 10yrs shy of having a half a century under my belt of being a diabetic. believe what you will, but your constant attacking of other posters is quite childish and very disruptive but then again, the bully never things they are wrong until their knocked on their a.s. back to pico blvd > last post but to clarify, I also posted to mhd back in the mid 90's actually > I was [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > back to pico blvd Has an awfully familiar ring to it, dunnit? And a kind of lockstep. Susan > > last post but to clarify, I also posted to mhd back in the mid 90's actually > > I was [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Susan If you're talking about your usual conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated finger pointing...why, yes, it does. Kurt > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Susan Yep, your post does have a familiar ring to it, following poor little Alan around making sure he's the one being attacked and that he does nothing wrong. Well sorry to say, I think you're about at nutty as he is and you've been proven wrong many a time. Oh right, but you make sure that doesn't happen because of your x-archive crap, which is why I kept this post in whole. now back to pico blvd where it doesn't SUCK to be YOU. > Welcome to the Anal S. interrogation club. Hope the glaring light > doesn't bother you...and of course I'm talking about the one coming > off his head. :) I've managed to recently mostly just ignore the people who post wrong- for-me-or-for-other-T1's stuff. I should've known from the get-go when I posted my real experiences and all I got back was an accusation of "Sally, Sally, Sally, grow up" that they just don't want me or my kind around. It's a shame, m.h.d was actually very useful in helping me in the 90's. Tim. I've managed to recently mostly just ignore the people who post wrong- for-me-or-for-other-T1's stuff. I should've known from the get-go when I posted my real experiences and all I got back was an accusation of "Sally, Sally, Sally, grow up" that they just don't want me or my kind around. It's a shame, m.h.d was actually very useful in helping me in the 90's. Are you talking bg in the 90's or surviving in the decade of the 1990's? :-) bj >> Welcome to the Anal S. interrogation club. Hope the glaring light >> doesn't bother you...and of course I'm talking about the one coming [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Tim. I'm sorry Tim. I had no idea you had a problem with me. The reverse has never been true and I feel very sad to read that. |
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