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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / June 2008amazing tips for cramp
The case of cramp is not much known by people, including the way of healing. The one suffering this pain, usually woman, feels legs especially part of thigh and waist really painful. Also they feel continuous pain in calf and backward thigh. Each movement feels tortured. This cause of pain is muscle dislocation. Either they are calf, thigh, buttock or waist. Habits of massaging, stepping legs on back are previous misfortune of suffering. These are several tips for prevention and healing: What needs avoiding from not getting this case? • Before doing exercise, do warming up previously. Avoid doing exercise carelessly. Do stretching afterwards. • Avoid habit of stepping on back or massaging carelessly, so dislocation doesn’t happen accidentally • If being hospitalized in the hospital, try good sleeping position and it isn’t turned. Don’t forget to change the position periodically. What’s better to do if getting this pain? • If you don’t have a very reliable expert, email to <a href=http:// www.pennasianormalization.com>Pennasia Normalization</a> Hopefully the sufferers of this illness will get well soon. And additional information: in a few days later, Pennasia Normalization will launch Technique of Diabetes Therapy for free charge in my site. You can tell your friends or someone that suffers diabetes about this good information. Good luck and God bless you!! Regards, <a href=http://www.pennasianormalization.com>Pennasia Normalization</a> And while you're at it, get more potassium. A banana a day keeps the cramps away. Also find salt substitute at your grocer's. Keep it by your bedside, and when the leg cramp starts, sprinkle a tiny bit on your tongue. For me and a lot of people, the cramp goes away almost immediately. -- _ Kevin D. Quitt Kevin@Quitt.net 96.37% of all statistics are made up > And while you're at it, get more potassium. A banana a day keeps the > cramps [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Kevin D. Quitt Kevin@Quitt.net > 96.37% of all statistics are made up For at least type 2 diabetics, bananas are not a good idea, since they raise your bG a little too much. Also, for the salt substitute, make sure you choose one that is mostly potassium chloride, since there are a few that don't contain much potassium. >> And while you're at it, get more potassium. A banana a day keeps the >> cramps [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > potassium chloride, since there are a few that don't contain much > potassium. A bit of thought and knowledge of a person's medical history are precious: a bit of caution for a short post is tricky. If someone has kidney damage, their potassium levels are altered by the damage and by their medications, and too much potassium can stop your heart. Too little, you can get cramps. >>> And while you're at it, get more potassium. A banana a day keeps the >>> cramps [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> For at least type 2 diabetics, bananas are not a good idea, since they >> raise your bG a little too much. Hehe, understatement of the year . . . >> Also, for the salt substitute, make sure you choose one that is mostly >> potassium chloride, since there are a few that don't contain much [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >potassium levels are altered by the damage and by their medications, and too >much potassium can stop your heart. Too little, you can get cramps. Yes and potassium is contraindicated with certain antihypertensive and other meds so double check for interractions (seems to work for me, Lo Salt) >>>> And while you're at it, get more potassium. A banana a day keeps the >>>> cramps [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>> a lot >>>> of people, the cramp goes away almost immediately. >>> For at least type 2 diabetics, bananas are not a good idea, since they >>> raise your bG a little too much. >Hehe, understatement of the year . . . Citrus is even better; produce of any kind requires potassium for growth, and few types can tolerate much sodium. >>> Also, for the salt substitute, make sure you choose one that is mostly >>> potassium chloride, since there are a few that don't contain much >>> potassium. The OTC potassium supplements are too low to be of any use. They are limited to 99 mg potassium. One teaspoon of no-salt bullion has 550 mg, and a 1/2 pint (US) carton of orange juice, at least the ones I have seen, have 450 mg potassium. Now why should I need a prescription for 800 mg? The RDA is 3400 mg. Potassium chloride (no salt salt "substitute") is just over 50% potassium, and the low-sodium version, a much tastier substitute in my opinion, is 26% potassium, 19% sodium, and 55% chlorine. Also, YMMD. When I was put on a potassium-sparing diuretic, the doctor told me to avoid bananas, etc. My potassium level became lower than it should be. The range in acceptable potassium levels is not too great; what is good for one can be very bad for another. >>A bit of thought and knowledge of a person's medical history are precious: a >>bit of caution for a short post is tricky. If someone has kidney damage, their >>potassium levels are altered by the damage and by their medications, and too >>much potassium can stop your heart. Too little, you can get cramps. >Yes and potassium is contraindicated with certain antihypertensive and >other meds so double check for interractions Definitely. ACE inhibitors are supposed to raise potassium, but they do not have that effect on me. Neither the current medicine men or anyone else knows how to take that difference into account. >(seems to work for me, Lo Salt)  SignatureThis address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 >>>>> And while you're at it, get more potassium. A banana a day keeps the >>>>> cramps [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >Neither the current medicine men or anyone else knows >how to take that difference into account. My understanding (though I can't remember where I got it from) is that electrolytes need to be looked at as a whole, sodium potassium and calcium levels and the ratios between them (and maybe other things like magnesium levels might interract) > >>>> "Kevin D. Quitt" <Kevin@Quitt.net> wrote in message > >>>> [ . . . ] > My understanding (though I can't remember where I got it from) is that > electrolytes need to be looked at as a whole, sodium potassium and > calcium levels and the ratios between them (and maybe other things > like magnesium levels might interract) My potassium is too high (5.6 mEq/L), but I take sodium (Kosher salt) magnesium, zinc, calcium and selenium. They helped for a while, but as my neuropathy advances, I've started getting nocturnal leg cramps again. I've been getting up and walking for five minutes, when I can't deal with them by massage. I massage the upper end of the cramped muscle (just below the knee), rather firmly. That usually does it. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> >>>> "Kevin D. Quitt" <Kevin@Quitt.net> wrote in message >> >>>> [ . . . ] [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >by massage. I massage the upper end of the cramped muscle (just below the >knee), rather firmly. That usually does it. Yes they're a bugger aren't they? My old man (nondiabetic) used to get killer thigh cramps in his later years. Mine are comparatively mild and the first thing I tried was sodium (salt) which had no effect. Yup I tried the magnesium and zinc, didn't bother with calcium as there's so much in the water anyway, or selenium as we have a local abundance. They went away on their own but returned when I started taking sodium bicarbonate so I tried the potassium salt with some success <crosses fingers, but carefully> Yours seem to be going the other way. Do you have circulation issues which could be addressed? - that might help as mechanical actions are helping. Sorry, have not followed this thread, but has anyone suggested eating a banana and/or drinking water? Signaturehttp://bergenbulldogradio.blogspot.com/ > Sorry, have not followed this thread, but has anyone suggested eating a > banana and/or drinking water? Eating bananas are seldom a good idea for type 2 diabetics, due to their effects on the bG. > > Sorry, have not followed this thread, but has anyone suggested eating a > > banana and/or drinking water? > Eating bananas are seldom a good idea for type 2 diabetics, due to > their effects on the bG. I love bananas. I'll eat a one inch bite, in the afternoon or evening, once or twice a week. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ You must have a tiny tiny banana tree Nick :-) (- -) =m=(_)=m= RodS T2 Australia > I love bananas. I'll eat a one inch bite, in the afternoon or evening, once > or twice a week. > You must have a tiny tiny banana tree Nick :-) > > I love bananas. I'll eat a one inch bite, in the afternoon or evening, > > once or twice a week. Heh heh! Regular size bananas, Rod. When Jun gats about halfway through one, she'll break off a chunk for me. She knows I can't eat much banana. ;-( SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> > Sorry, have not followed this thread, but has anyone suggested eating a >> > banana and/or drinking water? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I love bananas. I'll eat a one inch bite, in the afternoon or evening, once >or twice a week. Heh - me too - I steal a bite from the tortoise's banana : ) Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > On 16 May 2008 06:17:45 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> > >> "Marshall" <notmkatzman@verizon.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Heh - me too - I steal a bite from the tortoise's banana : ) Interesting. How big is that tortoise? how long have you had it? Do you know how old it is? Do you have a Chelonian veterinarian? SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >Interesting. How big is that tortoise? how long have you had it? Do you >know how old it is? Do you have a Chelonian veterinarian? Small plate size, approx 35 years, no but its size hasn't changed since it wandered into Hubby's garden so it was presumably fully grown then, and the damn thing has never needed a vet so I don't know if the local one would be up to the job. I'm expecting to leave it to the kids in my will... if it survives its love-affair with the lawn mower every year, I fully expect it to outlive me. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > On 16 May 2008 08:03:47 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> > >Interesting. How big is that tortoise? how long have you had it? Do you > >know how old it is? Do you have a Chelonian veterinarian? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > love-affair with the lawn mower every year, I fully expect it to > outlive me. They are long-lived creatures and they come in many sizes. Have you checked its blood glucose? ;-D SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >Have you checked its blood glucose? ;-D Where?! It would be sweet revenge, though. I'm the only person the damn thing bites... maybe because it likes full bananas :P Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > On 16 May 2008 12:09:42 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> > >Have you checked its blood glucose? ;-D > > Where?! It would be sweet revenge, though. I'm the only person the > damn thing bites... maybe because it likes full bananas :P Nothing worse than an irate tortoise digging up your tulip bed. "I wasn't going to eat the bulbs, Nicky. I was just looking for a place to lay my eggs!" LMAO SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ > Sorry, have not followed this thread, but has anyone suggested eating a > banana and/or drinking water? My daughter and son-in-law are always telling me to drink water. I drink a lot of coffee, Vodka and tea. They say that's not the same. They're probably right. It would probably be good for my kidneys, too. My wife and them drink a lot of water. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> Sorry, have not followed this thread, but has anyone suggested eating a >> banana and/or drinking water? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > probably right. It would probably be good for my kidneys, too. My wife and > them drink a lot of water. Coffee and tea are diuretics. Alcohol while I've never heard it called a diuretic the body sure needs a lot of water to process it. No, they're not the same as water. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia >>> Sorry, have not followed this thread, but has anyone suggested eating a >>> banana and/or drinking water? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >diuretic the body sure needs a lot of water to process it. No, they're not >the same as water. A friend of mine, who does martial arts, swears by quinine water (that's tonic water in some parts of the world). He said it's the only thing that does the job for him. I've heard this before, but he's the only one who's given me direct testimony and he doesn't lie to me. You might want to try it. >>On 5/15/08 11:13 PM, in article 20080516021355.647$8v@newsreader.com, >>"Nick [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > he's the only one who's given me direct testimony and he doesn't lie > to me. You might want to try it. It does work. But unless you can find the diet kind, it's loaded with carbs. I'll drink a small glass of tonic water from time to time (no gin in it). Also I suggest a google search on "topricin". My wife and I, both diabetics, will get an occasional cramp in the middle of the night and if we rub just a little of the Topricin (like cream) on the cramp area I'd say the cramp is gone within 3 to 7 minutes. It's truly amazing! >>On 5/15/08 11:13 PM, in article 20080516021355.647$8v@newsreader.com, >>"Nick [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > he's the only one who's given me direct testimony and he doesn't lie > to me. You might want to try it. > I'll drink a small glass of tonic water from time to time (no gin in it). > Also I suggest a google search on "topricin". My wife and I, both diabetics, > will get an occasional cramp in the middle of the night and if we rub just a > little of the Topricin (like cream) on the cramp area I'd say the cramp is > gone within 3 to 7 minutes. It's truly amazing! All my life I've had this oddity where if I curl my toes, they sort of get "stuck." Recently, that phenomenon has evolved into a sort of cramp in the foot waking me up in the morning. But it always goes away instantly when I just get up and put weight on the foot. Occasionally I get cramps in thigh or calf, and usually just standing up gets rid of them. SignatureWes Groleau There ain't no right wing, there ain't no left wing. There's only you and me and we just disagree. (apologies to Jim Krueger) >> I'll drink a small glass of tonic water from time to time (no gin in it). >> Also I suggest a google search on "topricin". My wife and I, both diabetics, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >the morning. But it always goes away instantly when I just >get up and put weight on the foot. I wish mine did. Can be excruciating at times. >Occasionally I get cramps in thigh or calf, and usually >just standing up gets rid of them. Envy. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com > <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote: > >> I'll drink a small glass of tonic water from time to time (no gin in [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Envy. My cramps are in the shin or calf. Sometimes in the foot. Often, just standing or unlocking my ankle will work. Sometimes just walking for a few minutes to the loo, which can be quite difficult at times, will do it. When it's severe, Jun will get up and massage the muscle while I work very firmly on where the top of the muscle is attached to the bone. As you said, "Can be excruciating at times." SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >>> I'll drink a small glass of tonic water from time to time (no gin in it). >>> Also I suggest a google search on "topricin". My wife and I, both diabetics, >>> will get an occasional cramp in the middle of the night and if we rub just a >>> little of the Topricin (like cream) on the cramp area I'd say the cramp is >>> gone within 3 to 7 minutes. It's truly amazing! >>All my life I've had this oddity where if I curl my toes, >>they sort of get "stuck." Recently, that phenomenon has >>evolved into a sort of cramp in the foot waking me up in >>the morning. But it always goes away instantly when I just >>get up and put weight on the foot. >I wish mine did. Can be excruciating at times. >>Occasionally I get cramps in thigh or calf, and usually >>just standing up gets rid of them. >Envy. Are these really cramps or something totally different? I get pain in my leg muscles while sleeping, and it can even be difficult to get to a sitting position. However, doing this reduces the pain considerably and a small amount of walking and sitting alternately usually gets rid of it completely. This has been diagnosed, and I believe the diagnosis is correct, to be a combination of diabetic neuropathy and spinal stenosis. I cannot walk a quarter mile; the nerves connected to my legs tell me to stop, and a short rest reenables them; this seems definitely to be the result of spinal stenosis. SignatureThis address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 >> I'll drink a small glass of tonic water from time to time (no gin in it). >> Also I suggest a google search on "topricin". My wife and I, both diabetics, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Occasionally I get cramps in thigh or calf, and usually >just standing up gets rid of them. Teach me to become complacent, after not having any cramps for a while now I had an absolute doozy yesterday. I had been vacuuming in the attic and was just getting out - which involves crawling backwards through a hatch in the wall holding the vacuum in one hand and the torch in t'other - I knelt on the cable and in trying to find a more comfortable position rapidly I stretched out my thigh and . . . if I hadn't been practically lying down at the time I'd have fallen over. Yes I find mostly (but not always) getting into a different position and getting the weight/force on the muscles right generally resolves them. I tried the banana trick but unfortunately the most banana I can consume consists of glancing briefly at one on the fruit bowl then looking away >>>> Sorry, have not followed this thread, but has anyone suggested eating a >>>> banana and/or drinking water? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >he's the only one who's given me direct testimony and he doesn't lie >to me. You might want to try it. Helps me a little. I keep a small bottle of Schweppes Diet Indian Tonic in the fridge for night cramps. Works sometimes, but severe ones still need quinine bisulphate tablets. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com > On Fri, 16 May 2008 23:45:31 GMT, MI <quilchenapark@shaw.ca> scribbled > >>> [ . . . ] [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > he's the only one who's given me direct testimony and he doesn't lie > to me. You might want to try it. Yes. When the hot weather gets here, I'll be drinking a lot of Gin and tonic. Hard to find unsweetened tonic water in LA. Schweppe's used to be. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> Sorry, have not followed this thread, but has anyone suggested eating a >> banana and/or drinking water? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >probably right. It would probably be good for my kidneys, too. My wife and >them drink a lot of water. I've been drinking a lot of artificially sweetened drinks lately instead of my usual water and have started having night cramps again. I'll have to try upping the water and see what happens. I was very, very happy when my leg cramps when away and am not thrilled to have them back! SignatureType 2 HbA1c 5.1 lots of diet, lots of exercise > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> probably right. It would probably be good for my kidneys, too. My wife and >> One of the most persuasive Urban Legends NO, water is no different for you than ANY fluid. The diuretic effect of strong coffee can cause you to lose as much as tan extra ounce from drinking a liter of Coffee - and, since your body is 85% water, that is what % ?? If you are worried, drink an additional oz of fluid NO, you shouldn't drink 8 glasses a day, in fact recent studies show that drinking too much water CAUSES dehydration NO Artificial sweeteners are not a problem, although like things unsweetened usually, but That is me, not someone else If you are engaged in a marathon, or hiking in the desert, you should over hydrate, not otherwise and, of course, if you have kidney problems, ask your doctor, do not take ANY other advice >> them drink a lkt of water. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I was very, very happy when my leg cramps when away and am not > thrilled to have them back! >One of the most persuasive Urban Legends >NO, water is no different for you than ANY fluid. The diuretic effect [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >NO Artificial sweeteners are not a problem, although like things >unsweetened usually, but That is me, not someone else It's not the artifical sweeteners I suspected of causing the problem, it's the phosphorus in soda. SignatureType 2 HbA1c 5.1 lots of diet, lots of exercise > On 15 May 2008 09:14:52 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> > >> >>>> "Kevin D. Quitt" <Kevin@Quitt.net> wrote in message > >> >>>> [ . . . ] > Yours seem to be going the other way. Do you have circulation issues > which could be addressed? - that might help as mechanical actions are > helping. I had a battery of tests on the circulation and nerve response in my legs last year. They tested OK. I don't remember the numbers. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ Don't want to be accused of spaming but I use TOPRICIN. Don't get leg/foot cramps often but if I do I rub a little of the creme on area. Seems like within seconds the cramp has gone away. I also drink occasionally a glass of diet tonic water (no gin please!). >> And while you're at it, get more potassium. A banana a day keeps the >> cramps [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > potassium chloride, since there are a few that don't contain much > potassium.
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