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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2007

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Kumar - 21 Jan 2007 04:22 GMT
Hello,

Whether common salt intake can act as appetizer or increase
hunger/cravings to overeat(ref; sugar/Na co-transported via Na/K pump)?

If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt, now in much
use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?

Best wishes.
TC - 21 Jan 2007 06:05 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> Best wishes.

Na/K pump? That is voodoo. Alchemy. It doesn't exist. It is a
physically inpossible concept.

TC
Kumar - 21 Jan 2007 07:37 GMT
> > Hello,
> >
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> Na/K pump? That is voodoo. Alchemy. It doesn't exist. It is a
> physically inpossible concept.

"Another important task of the Na+-K+ pump is to provide a Na+ gradient
that is used by certain carrier processes. In the gut, for example,
sodium is transported out of the resorbing cell on the blood side via
the Na+-K+ pump, whereas, on the resorbing side, the Na+-Glucose
symporter uses the created Na+ gradient as a source of energy to import
both Na+ and Glucose, which is far more efficient than simple
diffusion. Similar processes are located in the renal tubular system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaKATPase "
> TC

"Absorption of glucose entails transport from the intestinal lumen,
across the epithelium and into blood. The transporter that carries
glucose and galactose into the enterocyte is the sodium-dependent
hexose transporter, known more formally as SGLUT-1. As the name
indicates, this molecule transports both glucose and sodium ion into
the cell and in fact, will not transport either
alone"http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/smallgut/absorb_sugars.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 21 Jan 2007 08:20 GMT
> Hello,
>
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> Best wishes.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5642908177caf957?

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Kumar - 21 Jan 2007 09:17 GMT
> > Hello,
> >
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> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> http://EmoryCardiology.com

Yes, but whether salt and *iodine add taste to food?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Jan 2007 23:55 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Whether common salt intake can act as appetizer or increase
> > > hunger/cravings to overeat(ref; sugar/Na co-transported via Na/K pump)?

The amount of salt that is optimal will vary from person to person.

This optimum is determined by the amount that makes the food taste best
for any one person.

> > > If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt, now in much
> > > use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?

It is theoretically possible that an iodine-deficient person may find
iodized salt adding more flavor to the food.

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
Kumar - 23 Jan 2007 02:34 GMT
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >
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> This optimum is determined by the amount that makes the food taste best
> for any one person.
Whether such optimal is excess in diabetics? Can below optimal level
stimulate craving of taking salty foods?

Do we get effects/feeing of excessive from excess intake of salt and
sugar, after few days of intakes? Till then, taste/cravings make us to
take more. If yes, how?
> > > > If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt, now in much
> > > > use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?
>
> It is theoretically possible that an iodine-deficient person may find
> iodized salt adding more flavor to the food.
What is the effect of iodine on body? Does it increase metabolic rate
or cause hyperactivity?
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> http://EmoryCardiology.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Jan 2007 11:40 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
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> Whether such optimal is excess in diabetics?

Optimal concentration is not optimal amount.

Amount is equal to concentration times amount of food.

> Can below optimal level
> stimulate craving of taking salty foods?

Craving is hunger.

> Do we get effects/feeing of excessive from excess intake of salt and
> sugar, after few days of intakes?

Hunger increases as soon as we eat less toward goal of optimal amount.

> Till then, taste/cravings make us to
> take more. If yes, how?

We are becoming healthier.

> > > > If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt, now in much
> > > > > use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?
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> What is the effect of iodine on body?

It is used to make thyroid hormone.

> Does it increase metabolic rate
> or cause hyperactivity?

No.  Thyroid hormone is stored and its release is precisely regulated.

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
Kumar - 25 Jan 2007 10:02 GMT
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
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>
> We are becoming healthier.

What about conditions as binge eating and Bulimia?
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003265.htm
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000341.htm

Now, There seems to be some relation of binge eating, Potassium
instabilities/imbalances and diabetes2. Hyperglycemia may cause eflux
of K from cells and increase in extrcellular K whereas insulin can
reverse it? Probably, diabetic2 with persisting hyperglycemia are
losing more K in urine due to such eflux, presenting hyperkalemia AND
hypokalemia at different times?
> > > > > If yes, can it also be due to iodine in iodized salt, now in much
> > > > > > use(ref; increased appetite on hyperthroidism)?
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> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> http://EmoryCardiology.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Jan 2007 03:23 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
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>
> What about conditions as binge eating and Bulimia?

Those would be eating disorders that would require counseling and group
therapy to overcome the underlying psychological issues driving the
vicious cycle of obsessive eating and associated overwhelming feelings
of guilt.

Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
Mu - 30 Jan 2007 05:17 GMT
>> What about conditions as binge eating and Bulimia?
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> Andrew <><

Here we have a root cause of not only eating disorders of the severe
kind but overconsumption generally. Where the issues that drive
overconsumption are psychologically centered, and I believe most are,
then no diet, no treatment and no weight loss approach will have
certainty of success.
 
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