http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c58e3043afcdd6b4?

Only be eating less can VAT be completely lost in order to cure MetS.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?

Andrew chung Adding his opinion to others suggests dieting alone for
diabetes risk reduction:

" It is wiser to simply lose the visceral adiposity (VAT) that makes the
"big waists."

Losing the VAT cures metabolic syndrome (MetS).

Curing MetS is the key to preventing type-2 diabetes and even possibly
curing it."

No, this reduction in risk of diabetes is also supported by other
studies showing exercise should be a primary choice of treatment with
dieting added.  Anyone who minimizes exercise or makes unwarrented
claims about a diabetes "cure" does a disservice and is not keeping up
with literature on the subject.  Consider:

Here are segments from three different studies showing that exercise
alone, or when it is added to dieting, more abdominal fat is lost then
with dieting alone.

This relates to risk for heart disease and diabetes because the inner
fat (visceral adipose tissue) and outer fat in the belly area contribute
to these disorders from the hormones produced in it.

A very short outline of the value of measuring total abdominal size as
it relates to risk for the disorders is at the end.

Study one:

"...visceral adipose tissue decreased with the Diet+Exersize and
EXercise intervention, but not the Diet intervention.

Exercise alone resulted in a reduction in total abdominal fat, despite
the lack of weight loss."

Study two:

"But scientists from the National Public Health Institute in Helsinki
found that people with large waistlines who exercise were less likely to
suffer from type 2 diabetes than their less active counterparts.

"People who were obese were more likely to be diagnosed with glucose
intolerance and type 2 diabetes but if they were physically active their
risk was significantly lower," said Katja Borodulin, who headed the
study."

snip

"Simon O'Neill, of the charity Diabetes UK, said the research showed
that exercise reduces the risk of developing diabetes regardless of a
person's waist size."

Study three:

"Among a group of obese women who were placed on a regimen of calorie
cutting alone or diet plus exercise, those who exercised showed a

reduction in the size of fat cells around the abdomen. Women who only
dieted showed no such change.

In contrast, both groups trimmed about the same amount from fat cells in
the hip area.

The findings suggest that exercise may "preferentially increase" the
body's breakdown of fat cells in the abdomen, said lead study author Dr.
Tongjian You."

From a tutorial for docters:

"Question: I've read a lot about the importance of "metabolic syndrome",
and I've also read that I can accurately assess almost all of my
patients' risk simply by measuring their waist circumference. So, should
I be measuring waist circumference in my patients?

Response:

Yes; careful statistical analysis has demonstrated that waist
circumference is not only an important and easily measured marker for
the metabolic syndrome, but it also captures new information. Why is
this? There are 2 reasons.

First, waist circumference is a good measure of visceral adiposity --
the body fat that is very metabolically active and that can contribute

to cardiovascular risk."

Andrew chung presses again his opinion minimizing exercise by changing
the subject:

"None of what you have written address methods of getting rid of **all**
the VAT.

Again, getting rid of **all** the VAT to cure metabolic syndrome (MetS)
is the key to possibly curing type-2 diabetes in many folks."

There is at present no cure for diabetes, your unsupported opinion
notwithstanding and research asked of you in support multiple times not
yet forthcoming.

You obviously did not read the information provided you.  It said that
exercise alone reduces vat and when dieting is added even more is lost.
Any one minimizing exercise in the treatment of mets and diabetes and
risk thereof does a disservice and is not current with the latest
literature.

The research provided you can now be added to the research that started
this thread.  Exercise should be considered as primary in the treatment
of seds and risk of other disorders and diet added as a complete
package. Exercise makes metabolic changes at the cell level to treat
seds and risk of other disorders that dieting alone does not.

Why unwisely press the opinion that diet alone is the key when the
research shows clearly otherwise? Is it a last gasp in the face of the
dismantling of the two pound diet for lack of scientific support?  If so
then much is to be gained by consulting Ecclesiastes.

Andrew chung attempts to rescue his diabetes "cure" opinion by not so
clever word play:

"It is common knowledge that type 2 diabetes diappears with clinically
significant weight loss:

http://tinyurl.com/kt3u9

"There was significant improvement in all measures of glucose
metabolism. Remission of diabetes occurred in 32 patients (64%), and
major improvement of glucose control occurred in 13 patients (26%);
glucose metabolism was unchanged in 5 patients (10%). HbA(1c) was 7.8
+/- 3.2% preoperatively and 6.2 +/- 2.7% at 1 year (P < 0.001).
Remission of diabetes was predicted by greater weight loss and a shorter
history of diabetes (pseudo r(2) = 0.44, P < 0.001)."

When the weight loss is permanent as it is for folks using the 2PD-OMER
Approach:

Remission = Cure"

Good try, no cigar based on not so clever word play, this is unworthy of
you.  I apply the last of the definitions of "remission" below for this
attempt.  A good consult of Ecclesiastes is advised.

I have said several times that symptoms can be reversed with diet and
exercise and drugs as needed to weight loss and near normal glucose
levels but there is no cure.  There is "remission".  This will be
confirmed instantly by a standard glucose test, including a clamp
variation for the gastric surgery examples above. The metabolism of why
your example works to reverse symptoms can be discussed if you wish,
just ask.

NOUN: ... 3a. Medicine Abatement or subsiding of the symptoms of a
disease. b. The period during which the symptoms of a disease abate or
subside. ... b. Forgiveness; pardon.

Andrew chung stumbles again, word play does not serve and lack of
research clinches it when it comes to a claimed diabetes "cure":

"> But the study was done on subjects who had had bariatric surgery.

Laparoscopic gastric banding serves only to reduce the amount that
subjects can eat."

True but irrelevant, bypass surgery causes almost from the start a
reverse in the symptoms of diabetes,ie. a "remission", without weight
loss to any degree.  This is due to the incretin effect which some
banding people also display. There is however no "cure" but a reverse of
symptoms just like those who use diet and exercise and drugs to achieve
same but are not "cured". as a glucose test would show.

"> >When the weight loss is permanent as it is for folks using the
2PD-OMER

Already done with 5 years outcomes."

Peer reviewed research reference please, otherwise meaningless
assertion.

"> >Remission = Cure

A cure is defined by lasting remission.  For most study purposes,
remission for greater than 5 years is the endpoint for cure.

The study was conducted 4 years ago so that there have been documented
cases of patients from the study whose diabetes have remained in
remission for more than 5 years. This is enough to counter the false
claim "There is at present no cure for (type-2) diabetes.""

Then it should be easy to cite the reference for the 5 year results.  In
the one year context "remission" means nothing. It should include a
glucose clamp test to confirm absence of diabetes. Those who use diet
and exercise and drugs to achieve the same for 5 or more years are not
"cured" either and a glucose test would also instantly show it.

"Persistent weight loss has occurred for everyone using the 2PD-OMER
Approach."

Reference as above please.  I recall reading at least one report here
that the diet failed and was dropped.

Aren't you overlooking something: fasting?