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Jim - 07 Aug 2006 18:35 GMT
Has any one started to use Symlin(injection) and what results are you
seeing?  My Endo has suggested to stop taking Glucovance and Avandia &
switch-over.

Jim
oldal4865 - 07 Aug 2006 21:20 GMT
>Has any one started to use Symlin(injection) and what results are you
>seeing?  My Endo has suggested to stop taking Glucovance and Avandia &
>switch-over.
>
>Jim

   Seems like an odd way to go.    Some comments:

1.   Symlin is especially recommended for diabetics who inject insulin at
meal times,  usually folks with severe lack of ability to manufacture
insulin..

 2.  Glucovance contains Glyburide which recommended for diabetics who can
still manufacture enough insulin to control their blood sugars.

 3.  Glucovance is a physical mixture of glyburide and metformin.      .

 4.  Metformin and Avandia are anti-Insulin Resistance meds for diabetics

 5.  Symlin is not an anti-Insulin Resistance med for diabetics

 6.  Elevated Insulin Resistance increases  the danger of premature heart
attack in diabetics.    Premature heart attack is just about the #1 problem
for Type 2 diabetics.     Replacing metformin and Avandia with Symlin may or
may not help control blood sugars but the replacement has the potential for
increasing heart attack risk.

7.  Byetta is a drug with some similarities to Symlin but is intended for
use by diabetics who can still manufacture enough insulin to control their
blood sugars.    It can be used together with metformin and Avandia.   IIRC,
it has produced some outstanding results used that way.   However,  I
suggest that it might be difficult to use together with Glyburide,  e.g.
with pure Glyburide or Glucovance.

It's difficult to argue with an endo but you might want to ask him to
clarify the Insulin Resistance/Heart Attack situation.

Regards
 Old Al
Jenny - 07 Aug 2006 22:25 GMT
>  1.   Symlin is especially recommended for diabetics who inject insulin at
> meal times,  usually folks with severe lack of ability to manufacture
> insulin..

Al,

Dr. Bernstein talked about Symlin at length in his most recent
teleconference.  What he explained is that Amylin is another hormone
that is produced by the same beta cells that produce insulin.  It's most
important function from what he's observed in his patients is to induce
satiety.

Byetta stimulates the beta cells to produce amylin, which means that it
is only useful in people like severely insulin resistant type 2s who
still have a significant number of functioning beta cells.

If a person doesn't have functioning beta cells, then Byetta will not
cause them to produce amylin. At that point, they would need to use
Symlin, which is synthetic amylin.

He says from his experience Symlin is helpful for Type 1s or Type 2s
with dead beta cells who have problems controlling their eating--much
like Byetta in that regard. But he has not seen it make much difference
in blood sugars and the research papers don't suggest that it does that
either.

--Jenny

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes  Diabetes Info

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
Sugar Under Control
 
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