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Oxidative stress-induced insulin resistance

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ironjustice@aol.com - 27 Oct 2005 02:42 GMT
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this association is not restricted to insulin resistance in type 2
diabetes, but is also evident in obese, nondiabetic individuals, and in
those patients with the metabolic syndrome
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The molecular basis for oxidative stress-induced insulin resistances.
Evans JL, Maddux BA, Goldfine ID
Antioxid Redox Signal. 2005 Jul-Aug ; 7(7-8): 1040-52

Reactive oxygen and nitrogen molecules have been typically viewed as
the toxic by-products of metabolism. However, accumulating evidence has
revealed that reactive species, including hydrogen peroxide, serve as
signaling molecules that are involved in the regulation of cellular
function. The chronic and/or increased production of these reactive
molecules or a reduced capacity for their elimination, termed oxidative
stress, can lead to abnormal changes in intracellular signaling and
result in chronic inflammation and insulin resistance. Inflammation and
oxidative stress have been linked to insulin resistance in vivo. Recent
studies have found that this association is not restricted to insulin
resistance in type 2 diabetes, but is also evident in obese,
nondiabetic individuals, and in those patients with the metabolic
syndrome. An increased concentration of reactive molecules triggers the
activation of serine/threonine kinase cascades such as c-Jun N-terminal
kinase, nuclear factor-kappaB, and others that in turn phosphorylate
multiple targets, including the insulin receptor and the insulin
receptor substrate (IRS) proteins. Increased serine phosphorylation of
IRS reduces its ability to undergo tyrosine phosphorylation and may
accelerate the degradation of IRS-1, offering an attractive explanation
for the molecular basis of oxidative stress-induced insulin resistance.
Consistent with this idea, studies with antioxidants such as vitamin E,
alpha-lipoic acid, and N-acetylcysteine indicate a beneficial impact on
insulin sensitivity, and offer the possibility for new treatment
approaches for insulin resistance.

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outsor@citynet.net - 27 Oct 2005 01:52 GMT
"revealed that reactive species, including hydrogen peroxide, serve as
signaling molecules that are involved in the regulation of cellular
function. The chronic and/or increased production of these reactive
molecules or a reduced capacity for their elimination, termed oxidative
stress, can lead to abnormal changes in intracellular signaling and result
in chronic inflammation and insulin resistance."

Just so, they are normal parts of the regulation system.  Thus in
resistance it is a question as to why their output should exceed normal
levels of these normal substances or their regulation be deminished to
produce the same end.

What ever the answer, we know diabetes is not caused by iron.
ironjustice@aol.com - 27 Oct 2005 15:05 GMT
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Elevated iron stores were positively associated with serum ALT levels
and metabolic syndrome in Korean postmenopausal women
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Metabolism
Volume 54, Issue 11 , November 2005, Pages 1510-1514
doi:10.1016/j.metabol.2005.05.018
Copyright  2005 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

Association among serum ferritin, alanine aminotransferase levels, and
metabolic syndrome in Korean postmenopausal women

K.M. Choi, K.W. Lee, H.Y. Kim, J.A. Seo, S.G. Kim, N.H. Kim, D.S. Choi
and S.H. Baik,

Division of Endocrinology and Metabolism, Department of Internal
Medicine, Korea University Guro Hospital, Seoul 152-050, Korea

Received 21 February 2005;  accepted 11 May 2005.  Available online 26
October 2005.

Abstract
We examined the relationships among serum ferritin, alanine
aminotransferase (ALT) levels, and cardiovascular risk factors of
metabolic syndrome in Korean postmenopausal women. We conducted a
cross-sectional study of 959 postmenopausal women without an apparent
cause of liver disease. Metabolic syndrome was defined as the presence
of at least 3 of the following: elevated blood pressure, low
high-density lipoprotein cholesterol, elevated serum triglycerides,
elevated plasma glucose, and abdominal obesity. Serum ferritin and ALT
levels were found to be correlated (r = 0.374, P < .001) and to be
associated with the components of metabolic syndrome. Subjects with
metabolic syndrome showed significantly higher serum ferritin (74.7
2.0 vs 59.6  2.0 ng/mL, P < .001) and ALT levels (21.3  1.6 vs 18.7
1.5 IU/L, P < .001). Moreover, the greater the number of metabolic
syndrome components present, the higher were the serum ferritin and ALT
levels (P < .001). Multiple regression analysis showed that serum ALT
levels are significantly associated with serum ferritin levels, waist
circumference, fasting blood glucose, age, and white blood cell count
(adjusted R2 = 0.147). Elevated iron stores were positively associated
with serum ALT levels and metabolic syndrome in Korean postmenopausal
women.

Corresponding author. Tel.: +82 2 818 6646; fax: +82 2 866 1643.

Metabolism
Volume 54, Issue 11 , November 2005, Pages 1510-1514

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outsor@citynet.net - 27 Oct 2005 16:09 GMT
What do you think caused the higher iron levels to show up in association
with the syndrome?
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 Oct 2005 14:41 GMT
Well according to Dr. Jerome Sullivan .. the iron levels in women begin
to mirror men / rise with the advent of menopause.

No longer 'protected' by their .. monthlies ..

The iron builds and causes diabetes ..

Pretty simple .. really ..

Do I need to explain it to you .. again ..?

OK ..

the iron levels in women begin to mirror men / rise with the advent of
menopause.

No longer 'protected' by their .. monthlies ..

The iron builds and causes diabetes ..

Pretty simple .. really ..

Do I need to explain it to you .. again ..?

OK ..

the iron levels in women begin to mirror men / rise with the advent of
menopause.

No longer 'protected' by their .. monthlies ..

The iron builds and causes diabetes ..

Pretty simple .. really ..

Do I need to explain it to you .. again ..?

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outsor@citynet.net - 28 Oct 2005 20:00 GMT
"Well according to Dr. Jerome Sullivan .. the iron levels in women begin
to mirror men / rise with the advent of menopause.

No longer 'protected' by their .. monthlies .. The iron builds and causes
diabetes ..

Pretty simple .. really .."

Simple indeed, so much so as to be ignored.  If the above is a risk factor
for diabetes can you show an increased risk for diabetes for either gender
regardless of age?  Let me save you some time, no. This is another counter
example to the iron is the cause of all disease because people eat meat
idea, here because women do have lower iron related to periods but risk of
diabetes is not related.  It takes only one counter example to toss an
idea.  When an idea fails to be supported in science, we turn from it to
seek the truth elsewhere.
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 Oct 2005 12:18 GMT
If the above is a risk factor
for diabetes can you show an increased risk for diabetes for either
gender
regardless of age?  Let me save you some time, no.
<<

I believe I posted them already ..

http://tinyurl.com/dxxlf

Iron levels not much higher than that found in a vegetarian .. when
lowered by bloodletting .. leads to decreased insulin resistance ..

Insulin resistance is a-s-s-o-c-i-a-t-e-d .. TO .. diabetes ..

That was a very easy one ..

Try harder ..

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outsor@citynet.net - 29 Oct 2005 17:41 GMT
Sorry, no cigar, but here is a coupon to kfc for you as consolation prize.  
I asked to have shown that women and men regardless of age have different
risk levels for diabetes.  The example you provided is par for the course,  
use a paint gun to connect dots to force a point that doesn't exist.  The
topic was the effect or not of menopause on risk for diabetes, not level
of resistence based on lifestyle food choices.  Reminding you again of the
large population study for risk, bloodletting had no effect, bnot to
mention the other counter examples to the iron causes all disease because
people eat meat idea it contained, only one of which is enough to toss the
idea.
ironjustice@aol.com - 30 Oct 2005 02:03 GMT
The
topic was the effect or not of menopause on risk for diabetes, not
level
of resistence based on lifestyle food choices.
<<

Actually .. you asked a .. question .. and since you have some sort of
memory loss .. "What do you think caused the higher iron levels to show
up in association
with the syndrome?"

And then you for some reason .. disregard my answer .. not even
disregard .. outright say .. "you didn't answer the question" ..

When in FACT .. I .. did ..

Menopause .. no .. more .. blood loss ..
Menopause .. no .. more .. blood loss ..
Menopause .. no .. more .. blood loss ..
Menopause .. no .. more .. blood loss ..
Menopause .. no .. more .. blood loss ..
Menopause .. no .. more .. blood loss ..

Get it ..?

No .. more .. 'natural bloodletting' ..

NOW .. iron builds .. due to LACK of .. bloodletting .. causing ..
diabetes ..

Get it ..?

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outsor@citynet.net - 31 Oct 2005 00:44 GMT
Show us where risk of diabetes varies by gender by age.  When women stop
losing bllod routinely and have lower iron levels your theory would say
risk for diabetes should change.  Nope, and is only one couter example
nail in the iron causes all disease because people eat meat idea.  While  
many are available only one is required to toss it.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 31 Oct 2005 06:14 GMT
> Show us where risk of diabetes varies by gender by age.  When women stop
> losing bllod routinely and have lower iron levels your theory would say
> risk for diabetes should change.  Nope, and is only one couter example
> nail in the iron causes all disease because people eat meat idea.  While
> many are available only one is required to toss it.

COMMENT:

Diabetes II increases with obesity and obesity increases with age.
However, whether iron is involved or not, obesity and age are bigger
factors (age 65-75 has the most diabetes in every group).

If you want to look at iron, you have to look at DM at comparable ages,
and do it before menopause. Alas, you won't find any indication there
that iron is important. There is more diabetes type II in
African-American women than African-American men in EVERY age group,
not just those over 50. It's also true from 20 to 50. If iron were
involved to some great degree, that certainly would not be the case.

http://www.ndep.nih.gov/diabetes/pubs/FS_AfricanAm.pdf

Now, it's true that iron overload hurts iron sensitity directly, and
this is a big factor in iron-overload diabetes. It's not just pancreas
burning out, as used to be thought.

It's also true that iron deficient animals have high glucose
sensitivity-- something that makes sense because they're burning
glucose like crazy to make lactate, since they can't oxidize further
without iron-containing enyzmes in mitochondria. But that seems like a
bad way to treat diabetes, turning yourself into a veal calf with white
and weak muscles.

You might think that this increased glucose sensitivity would give iron
deficient animals, decreased fasting blood glucoses. Well, you'd be
wrong. It doesn't. So that's disappointing, and since diabetes is
diagnosed by fasting blood glucose levels, it seems unlikely that iron
status makes much difference there, unless (again) there's iron
overload with tranfusions or hemochromatosis and its way over normal.

As for the paper that iron-doofus likes to quote where 6 meat eaters
humans were bleed and got lower blood glucoses, it's a study of only 6
people. You don't base ideas on a unreplicated reports of what happened
to 6 people, particularly when it's not supported by animal data (which
it isn't-- blood glucose does NOT go down in iron deficiency animals)
and by epidemiology (which it isn't-- pre-menopausal women have MORE
diabetes than men of the same age).

SBH
Larry - 31 Oct 2005 16:24 GMT
Tom: You need to be careful with "cause" and "associated". They have
completely different meanings and you used both.

Larry

> If the above is a risk factor
> for diabetes can you show an increased risk for diabetes for either
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