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SURVEY ON THE UK FOOD RETAILING SECTOR AND HEALTH PRODUCT LINES

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Danae_7 - 05 Aug 2005 21:33 GMT
Dear all,

I am a new member of Google groups.I have been working on an academic
project, which examines the attitudes towards healthy eating in the UK
food retailing sector. I would appreciate if you could spend  5 minutes
of your time to complete my survey. The reason why this group is among
those being selected is because all members are concerned towards
healthy eating and their participation in the survey will give valuable
results. If you wish to participate, please click on the link below.

http://www.questionpro.com/akira/TakeSurvey?id=270997&rd=2581811

Your participation is vital to my study. All responses will be treated
as confidential. Just to remind you, that this questionnaire is to be
filled by UK residents only. Thank you in advance for your help.

Kind regards,
Rouseli Danae
Bob Blaylock - 06 Aug 2005 05:55 GMT
 You spam our newsgroup...
   We'll corrupt your survey...
     With bogus answers.

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Danae_7 - 06 Aug 2005 12:58 GMT
I really cannot understand why, because I am just a student and this is
part of my research for my dissertation.The aim of the research is to
measure the consumer's satisfaction with health product lines in the UK
retailing sector.
I would be grateful if you could help me through.
Bob Blaylock - 06 Aug 2005 16:22 GMT
> I really cannot understand why, because I am just a student and this is
> part of my research for my dissertation.The aim of the research is to
> measure the consumer's satisfaction with health product lines in the UK
> retailing sector.

 None of which is in any way relevant to this newsgroup; nor is
advertising of any kind welcome in this or in most other newsgroups.

> I would be grateful if you could help me through.

 We would be grateful if you would go away and die a slow, horrible,
painful death, and never pollute this or any other newsgroup again.  We
don't like spammers here.

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Nico Kadel-Garcia - 07 Aug 2005 06:05 GMT
>I really cannot understand why, because I am just a student and this is
> part of my research for my dissertation.The aim of the research is to
> measure the consumer's satisfaction with health product lines in the UK
> retailing sector.
> I would be grateful if you could help me through.

We get hit with a *LOT* of scams, spams, and "surveys". Many if not all of
them are collecting marketing data to sell to spammers and scammers.

Since your questionpro.com site is not a university site, but a professional
survey site, you're probably lying about the university project or being
misleading about who's buying your data.
None Given - 06 Aug 2005 18:03 GMT
Just to remind you, that this questionnaire is to be
> filled by UK residents only. Thank you in advance for your help.

Then why are you posting this in an international Usenet group?

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Danae_7 - 07 Aug 2005 12:53 GMT
I would't reply because some of your friends make use of words and
sentences that noone has ever talk to me before.I am a student in
Strathclyde University,in Glasgow.I have no reason to lie.I am using
the questionpro website as it provides one month free trial.For your
information there is no university website that analyzes data for
surveys.Everything I do for my dissertation is guidance given from my
supervisor.I wish I could be paid(!) but this is in order to take my
degree.The fact that the group is international,does not prevent me
from finding some UK residents who are willing to reply.I hope I
answered to all your questions.And I dont need your help.I could never
believe that someone could wish another person to die.These phrases
doesn't allow me to take seriously your members.And furthermore, for
your additional information, I wanted you to know that I am an
international student so the use of English language up to now had
never provided me with such words.And by the way, I have no idea about
spams or scams .(I had to look the last one in the dictionary).If you
had bad experience before,this is not the reason to blame me.Excuse for
interrupting your peacefull conversations.And I apologise for
"invading" in your space.I could never believe that people can talk
like this.
Marshall - 07 Aug 2005 14:03 GMT
> I would't reply because some of your friends make use of words and
> sentences that noone has ever talk to me before.I am a student in
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> "invading" in your space.I could never believe that people can talk
> like this.

I believe you. Unfortunately I am not a UK resident, therefore I do not
qualify to respond to your survey. However, you received one
inappropriate response and two follow ups. Since hundreds (or more) read
this I would not get discouraged. It's typical News Group ranting. Now
having said this I will probably get flamed.
Out of curiosity I did take (but did not finish) your survey. Personally
I did not find anything wrong with it. However, how did you construct
the sentences in your survey? The structure differs from your style in
these postings? Did your supervisor help you with this?
Nico Kadel-Garcia - 07 Aug 2005 14:32 GMT
>I would't reply because some of your friends make use of words and
> sentences that noone has ever talk to me before.I am a student in
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> answered to all your questions.And I dont need your help.I could never
> believe that someone could wish another person to die.These phrases

Sorry about that. Some of our members do wildly overdo it. But we see *so
man* scammers, spammers, and frauds popping up that we've gotten touchy, to
say the least, about another vaguely suspicious survey or web site push.

Most universities these days have web site support, perfectly capable of
handling a survey form. The ghods know *I've* set up a few such things as
part of day-to-day systems work. The use of a commercial survey provider,
who may not have signed onto the university agreements for keeping medical
information confidential or for human experimentation used by the
universities *I* know for doing survey and human studies leave me suspicious
that you are, in fact scamming in some way.

Being part of an "international" group also describes NONI JUICE pyramid
schemes, Betty Martini's anti-aspartame crusade, and various email lottery
scams. And I'm sure we're happy to provide you with vocabulary lessons in
more positive ways: If you've used Usenet and email as part of your work or
hobbies up until now, I'm really surprised you haven't heard the word
"scam".

Having had awful experiences before is a completely valid reason to be very
suspicious of and reject your request to participate in a study. It's even a
good reason to say "you look like a fraud". The nasty language of some of
the people who post here is unfortunate, and I think corrupts their message.
If you're not a scammer or spammer of some sort, I'm sorry about it.

> doesn't allow me to take seriously your members.And furthermore, for
> your additional information, I wanted you to know that I am an
> international student so the use of English language up to now had
> never provided me with such words.And by the way, I have no idea about

You're in Glasgow? I'm startled you haven't heard these words. Try talking
up the tradesman in your area, janitors, plumbers, etc., to help expand your
street vocabulary, and drinking with the international students to expand
your more educated vocabulary.

Wait: strike that. Reverse it: the tradesmen often have a much more refined
vocabulary than the students.

> spams or scams .(I had to look the last one in the dictionary).If you
> had bad experience before,this is not the reason to blame me.Excuse for
> interrupting your peacefull conversations.And I apologise for
> "invading" in your space.I could never believe that people can talk
> like this.

You don't get out much, do you?
Alan Hardy - 07 Aug 2005 14:25 GMT
> Dear all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Kind regards,
> Rouseli Danae

i have just participated in your survey, and i wish you well in your
university studies. i could see no problems, and i wonder how many of those
who reacted so nastily actually bothered to check first.

As a hint, you might do better on alt.support.diabetes.uk.

Alan H
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Ozlover - 08 Aug 2005 15:09 GMT
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> i have just participated in your survey, and i wish you well in your
> university studies. i could see no problems, and i wonder how many of those
> who reacted so nastily actually bothered to check first.

 It's the familiar "Shoot first. Ask no questions later." approach
which is so/too wide-spread in this group.

 Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, actually *reading*
a posting, etc.?

 At least Nico apologized somewhat after the fact. One more apology to
go, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Bob Blaylock - 09 Aug 2005 01:18 GMT
> [deleted]
> > i have just participated in your survey, and i wish you well in your
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>   At least Nico apologized somewhat after the fact. One more apology to
> go, but I'm not holding my breath.

 I don't apologize to spammers.

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Alan Hardy - 09 Aug 2005 01:52 GMT
> Ozlover wrote:
>> [deleted]
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>  I don't apologize to spammers.

There was NO spam, no attempt to sell anything. If the pattern was there, do
you think Ted would have missed it?

Alan H
Nico Kadel-Garcia - 09 Aug 2005 04:37 GMT
>> [deleted]
>> > i have just participated in your survey, and i wish you well in your
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>  I don't apologize to spammers.

Actually, I'm still suspicious. It might be a particularly good marketing
trick to gather names/addresses/etc. to sell to advertisers who target
diabetics, due to the lack of university affiliation of the survey.
Ozlover - 09 Aug 2005 14:26 GMT
> >> [deleted]
> >> > i have just participated in your survey, and i wish you well in your
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> trick to gather names/addresses/etc. to sell to advertisers who target
> diabetics, due to the lack of university affiliation of the survey.

 It's fine to be *suspicious*, but if you are going to flame, then you'd
better have *some* reasonable ground. In this case there wasn't any [1].
In any case there is no excuse to be as *malicious* as Bob was, not
towards anybody, not even a spammer and (IMO) not even towards a
scammer. Apparently some people think that they can say anything in the
'safety' of their keyboard. If they did that IRL, they would probably
get punched in the face, and (IMO) rightly so.

 So if one doubts something, then *say* so, *politely*, or/and ask
questions. No need for rudeness which only reflects badly on the flamer.

 Just think about it: If this was your daugther/son/<insert_close_
relative/friend>/etc., what would you think of those who treated hir
like (s)he was treated?

[1] "Danae Rouseli"? Yes, that looks *really* like a native-English
person! NOT!

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Alan Hardy - 09 Aug 2005 15:24 GMT
> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>> > Ozlover wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> [1] "Danae Rouseli"? Yes, that looks *really* like a native-English
> person! NOT!

An exchange student? or an immigrant? or second or third generation? My GP
is named Sachin Hirani, but you have to go to his greatgrandparents to find
just one who was not born in England.

Alan H
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Ozlover - 09 Aug 2005 18:38 GMT
> > Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> >> > Ozlover wrote:
[deleted]
> >> >>   Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, actually
> >> >> *reading* a posting, etc.?
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> is named Sachin Hirani, but you have to go to his greatgrandparents to find
> just one who was not born in England.

 As (s)he [1] said, an international student, i.e. a student from
another country, not neccessarily an exchange student. "student" was on
the website (i.e. *known from the very start*) and posted after Bob's
regular flame. "international student" was posted in response to None
Given, i.e. after Bob's death wish but before his refusal to apologize.
In that same response (s) clearly indicated that English is indeed not
hir native language.

[1] Can anyone tell the gender from hir name? It's somewhat silly to
have to say "(s)he", "hir", etc. all the time.

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Bob Blaylock - 10 Aug 2005 01:31 GMT
> > >> [deleted]
> > >> > i have just participated in your survey, and i wish you well in your
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> relative/friend>/etc., what would you think of those who treated hir
> like (s)he was treated?

 I would hope that any children I have would understand that if you do
something stupid that gets a lot of people pissed off at you, then you
need to expect that some of them are not going to treat you kindly in
response.  If a child of mine comes crying to me saying "Daddy, the
people in the newsgroups where I posted my add for [fake penis
enlargement pills | The Lamest Vitamin In The World | bottled water that
miraculously cures diabetes | a survey] are calling me nasty names!",
he/she isn't going to get a lot of sympathy from me.

 What should someone expect in response to spamming a newsgroup?

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Ozlover - 10 Aug 2005 15:09 GMT
> > > >> [deleted]
> > > >> > i have just participated in your survey, and i wish you well in your
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>   I would hope that any children I have would understand that if you do
> something stupid,

 The only "stupid" thing the OP did was to post to a group of which you
are a 'member'.

>                                then you
> need to expect that some of them are not going to treat you kindly in
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> miraculously cures diabetes | a survey] are calling me nasty names!",
> he/she isn't going to get a lot of sympathy from me.

 For all-but-one of the categories, a *flame* is fine. For "a survey",
it's not. Your death wish is unacceptable for *any* category.

>   What should someone expect in response to spamming a newsgroup?

 You wouldn't recognize spam if it hit you in the face. The OP isn't
spam by any definition. To be real spam, it has to be bulk with a BI
over 20. It wasn't. It also does not match the layman definition of
spam, i.e. a commercial posting. So it wasn't spam.

 For you, "spam" apparently means "something I don't like" and "to
which I can respond with anything I like". Well let's apply your
definition of spam to *your* postings:

"We would be grateful if you would go away and die a slow, horrible,
painful death, and never pollute this or any other newsgroup again. We
don't like spammers here.".

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Nicky - 09 Aug 2005 20:34 GMT
> Actually, I'm still suspicious. It might be a particularly good marketing
> trick to gather names/addresses/etc. to sell to advertisers who target
> diabetics, due to the lack of university affiliation of the survey.

But it doesn't ask for any personal information. I had no problems taking
the survey.

Nicky.

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Alan Hardy - 09 Aug 2005 21:03 GMT
> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote
>> Actually, I'm still suspicious. It might be a particularly good marketing
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Nicky.

Note:: only two UK citizens have answered in this thread, Nicky and me. We
both say there is NO problem.

2nd Note:: Anyone who wants email addies has only to subscibe to a
newsgroup, they don't even have to post.

3rd Note:: Any survey that wants my name or postal address doesn't get them.
i have occasionally given "Mr Lionel Blair, 10 Downing Street, London." [1]

[1] Lionel because he dances to any tune President Bush chooses to play.

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Bob Blaylock - 10 Aug 2005 01:24 GMT
> > Actually, I'm still suspicious. It might be a particularly good marketing
> > trick to gather names/addresses/etc. to sell to advertisers who target
> > diabetics, due to the lack of university affiliation of the survey.
>
> But it doesn't ask for any personal information. I had no problems taking
> the survey.

 Neither have I.  In fact, I've taken it several times now, without any
problem.  And I plan to take it many more times.

 Of course,I don't live in the UK, and the answers I'm giving have very
little to do with anything I've actually thought or experienced, but at
least the spammer is getting plenty of data from me.

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Bob Blaylock - 10 Aug 2005 01:21 GMT
> >> [deleted]
> >> > i have just participated in your survey, and i wish you well in your
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> trick to gather names/addresses/etc. to sell to advertisers who target
> diabetics, due to the lack of university affiliation of the survey.

 In any event, it was an advertisement for a survey, posted to a few
different newsgroups where such advertisements are never appropriate.

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