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Question for the old timers about "denial"

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Jette Goldie - 30 Dec 2003 17:29 GMT
I've heard you guys talk about "denial" and I need your
input.

Hubby was diagnosed a year ago. (T2)

He's followed the doctor's orders, lost weight, got active,
got fit - and his bg numbers are good.  So good that he
was recently taken *off* the glipazide to see how he
manages on diet alone.  I certainly had a hand in his
diet changes at first, but now he has taken control of
that for himself.

He looks great on it - he looks 10 years younger.  Changed
his whole wardrobe, bought home gym equipment, started
wearing fashionable clothing.

But for the last 9 months he's been going out to the pub - and
going to night clubs -  and staying out ALL NIGHT (sometimes
till the next afternoon) at least once per week.  He NEVER
ever did this before then.  If he went out, he came back
when the pub closed, or called if he was staying over.
Now he doesn't.  I go frantic and he waltzes in and says
"don't know why you were worried - I was fine".

He won't look at support groups, won't read any literature
on diabetes, won't talk to other diabetics about advice, etc.
(we both have several long time diabetics in the family)

He was then diagnosed with depression (this was about
when he started going out so much).  He carried on
going out drinking at least once per week, despite taking
anti-depressants.  Then he stopped taking them because
"they weren't working" (this was not at his doctor's advice).

He started talking about "taking time out" on our marriage,
got involved with some female he met in the pub.  HE says
they are "pals" - but *she* definately thought that they
were .... starting a relationship, even though it hadn't got
beyond spending long boozy evenings in the pub or him
making sure she got home from there when she was too
drunk to stand up straight. (from both their accounts)
She thought he was single, seperated but still living with
ex-wife as a "flatmate".  (they've known each other about
6 weeks now)

She ruined Xmas for me by calling incessantly (by this
time she'd been put right about our relationship) and
even turning up in a taxi at our door late Xmas night.)(she
was drunk, of course).

NONE of this was even on the horizon before the diabetes
thing - could (as I suspect) this all be a kind of ... rebellion?
(btw, he's 44 and we've been married for 22 years, been
together for 26 years)

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Flying Rat - 30 Dec 2003 18:15 GMT
Jette Goldie said this...
> NONE of this was even on the horizon before the diabetes
> thing - could (as I suspect) this all be a kind of ... rebellion?
> (btw, he's 44 and we've been married for 22 years, been
> together for 26 years)

I think you've got a good enough handle on it so far.

He's been dealt two serious blows in succession. One was turning 40, the
other being diagnosed with a disease that will rob him of his sight,
ability to walk and eventually kill him horribly.

That's a classic overstatement but the way many people see it once they
get their minds round being diagnosed as diabetic! Overreaction is a
VERY human trait. For many people they can become depressed just by
slipping into the early part of middle age, but to have a life-changing
condition shoved on them just puts the sugar-coated cherry on the whole
lot. Naturally rebelling against it all is one way through the problem,
going into classic denial and becoming self-destructive.

Unfortunately it solves neither problem. With middle age it just
destroys what foundations he already has, and with diabetes will just
hasten the onset of those problems he is hiding from.

There's not much you can do alone really. Antidepressants alone probably
won't help; he needs to start facing up to things and get himself some
real help. The GP is a start.

Good luck

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Al Hardy - 30 Dec 2003 20:39 GMT
> I've heard you guys talk about "denial" and I need your
> input.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> on diabetes, won't talk to other diabetics about advice, etc.
> (we both have several long time diabetics in the family)

If the other diabetics in your 2 families have complications, he may be
frightened, which can lead to denial and depression.

> He was then diagnosed with depression (this was about
> when he started going out so much).  He carried on
> going out drinking at least once per week, despite taking
> anti-depressants.  Then he stopped taking them because
> "they weren't working" (this was not at his doctor's advice).

Sounds like the onset of fairly serious depression, which is a more likely
problem (about 40% more likely) with diabetes. The depression is also more
likely with the onset of middle age, sometimes called the *male menopause*.

> He started talking about "taking time out" on our marriage,
> got involved with some female he met in the pub.  HE says
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> (btw, he's 44 and we've been married for 22 years, been
> together for 26 years)

I feel very greatly for both of you. If your hubby won't consult a doc, you
may have to on hubby's behalf. I wish there were summat I could do, but at
least you know that I care: and I got depressed and schizoid (NOT
schizophrenic) enough to spend 5 periods in psych hospital, so I do know
what it feels like.
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Al.
Idiopathic t1
Last HbA1c 5.95
Total Chol 2.7
Blood Pressure 111/72
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Al Hardy - 31 Dec 2003 03:09 GMT
Jette,
This here is a long read, but it makes a point you might like to consider if
your hubby won't see the doctor.

http://tinyurl.com/3xc3u

hth
Al.
DaveT - 30 Dec 2003 22:38 GMT
> I've heard you guys talk about "denial" and I need your
> input.
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> (btw, he's 44 and we've been married for 22 years, been
> together for 26 years)

Sorry to be the Devils advocate but I do not think double timing your wife
has anything to do with any form of denial except of his marriage vows, and
diabetes is no excuse for that kind of behaviour or any other wrong
behaviour. May I ask if this woman he is chasing is younger than you cos I
am afraid a lot of men at his age go through a stage were they want to test
if 'they can still pull the birds'.
To be honest you should really be discussing this with one or two carefully
selected friend/family/in-law members who know you both so you can get a
second opinion, they will not come forward with the information till you
ask.
I hope I am wrong but put a stop to it now and do not let diabetes or
anything else be an excuse *remember* you have your *own wellbeing* to look
after, it is just as *important* as his.
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DaveT
T1 since 1955 2x BeefL Novorapid with each meal as needed
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CapStick - 31 Dec 2003 02:29 GMT
You are going through a bad period, and whilst i sympathise with
you, no amount of my sympathy, or anyone elses for that matter, is going
to bring your life back around, to the way you want it.

The only way i can see forward for you is for both you and your husband to
consult with a counsellor, preferbly one supplied by your GP.

Your Husband must be doing himself a great deal of harm with all this
drinking.

I was once a big drunk.
It took a near death experience for me to realise
what i was doing to those around me and to myself.

Once a man starts to drink to excess on a regular basis,
there is very little that can be done to stop him. ( I Know)

So whilst it is extremely difficult after all these years of being together.
Look to your own needs first !.

Afterall you have to face the fact that he is not worrying about your needs.

Just remind your man that one day he may need some extreme care and you may
not always be around to supply it.

Remember Look After Yourself !.

Good Luck.
Jette Goldie - 31 Dec 2003 22:11 GMT
> Sorry to be the Devils advocate but I do not think double timing your wife
> has anything to do with any form of denial except of his marriage vows, and
> diabetes is no excuse for that kind of behaviour or any other wrong
> behaviour. May I ask if this woman he is chasing is younger than you cos I
> am afraid a lot of men at his age go through a stage were they want to test
> if 'they can still pull the birds'.

No, she's several years older, stands barely 5 foot high
in her heels and weighs about 250lbs.  I'm 5 foot 7, a slim
size 14/16 and can still pass for 35 y.o. on a good day.

And she seems to be the one chasing - he seemed surprised
to realise that she wasn't looking for "just a pal".

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