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Donna Evleth - 19 May 2008 11:19 GMT
I was recently talking to my daughter about the practice of eating five
little meals a day instead of the usual breakfast, lunch and dinner.  I feel
quite sure I would not want to try this, as it would be much too much work
for me: I hate meal planning, and I would have to do it five times a day
rather than just three times; I don't have enough of an appetite to eat that
often; it would make testing a nightmare, between the eating and the testing
I would have no time left to do anything else, like the exercise I also need
to do.  But a lot of people seem to think this is a great system.  I would
like to hear other people's views on it, especially for diabetics.  I doubt
that my personal view would change, but I'm curious about it.

Donna Evleth
Alan S - 20 May 2008 01:32 GMT
>I was recently talking to my daughter about the practice of eating five
>little meals a day instead of the usual breakfast, lunch and dinner.  I feel
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>
>Donna Evleth

Works for me.

Not exactly five little meals a day. I still have a small
breakfast (a two-egg omelette, with veges or bacon, or
equivalent), a small lunch (a soup, or a one slice-of-bread
open sandwich or equivalent) and quite a large dinner by my
standards (small portion of meat or fish, veges, a very
small portion of potato or similar). And a bedtime small
snack of muesli or similar.

However, I "graze" during the day with tiny snacks. Things
like a 3gm CHO cracker with brie, or 100ml of yoghurt with
berries or fruit, or a single scoop of ice cream, or a
square of chocolate, or a dip and vege slices and so on. I
rarely go more than three hours without a nibble on
something. But the snacks will be at least an hour away from
a main meal.

I don't test after every one because I've tested enough to
know what I can and can't eat. I just select occasional ones
to test for "maintenance".

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
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Ozgirl - 20 May 2008 02:10 GMT
>> I was recently talking to my daughter about the practice of eating
>> five little meals a day instead of the usual breakfast, lunch and
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> know what I can and can't eat. I just select occasional ones
> to test for "maintenance".

Yep, pretty similar to what I do. I have a fridge full of stuff I can grab
and eat without any preparation. Blue cheese, olives, dried apricots, small
mandarins and apples, hard boiled eggs, cut up raw veggies, prepared dips or
salsa etc, yoghurts or small tubs of Weight Watchers desserts (don't taste
fabulous but still edible). About the most effort I go to for a snack is if
I have a Rye King cracker becasue I spread stuff on it and maybe slice some
tomato. Some snacks are pretty well almost no carb and the others I try not
to go over 10 gr carb at a time.
Trinkwasser - 20 May 2008 19:02 GMT
>>> I was recently talking to my daughter about the practice of eating
>>> five little meals a day instead of the usual breakfast, lunch and
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>tomato. Some snacks are pretty well almost no carb and the others I try not
>to go over 10 gr carb at a time.

Yup me too.

I can if necessary (or if not) produce copious amounts of insulin,
just not at a high rate, while I tend towards three "main" meals,
relatively low carb breakfast, higher carb evening meal and lower carb
nocturnal snack, I fill in the gaps with nibbles.

Depending what I'm doing these may be one or two oatcakes (6g each)
with nut butter or cheese, half slice rye bread (20g) with butter or
decent margarine, nuts of many types, small amounts of dried fruit
with larger amounts of nuts, half avocados, cherries, strawberries
etc. etc.

This works for me in keeping my BG relatively even, knocking out the
potential for liver dumps or lows while never eating enough carbs in a
sitting to go high.

Does it work? Blood tests tomorrow, results in about a week. Judging
by my own meter and my BP measurements I'm not expecting to be worried
- for which thanks to the Usual Suspects.
Robert Miles - 20 May 2008 02:31 GMT
>>I was recently talking to my daughter about the practice of eating five
>>little meals a day instead of the usual breakfast, lunch and dinner.  I
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>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

If you don't want any more meal planning, why not cook twice as
much as you need to eat for two of those meals a day, then eat
half of this for one of those meals and leave the rest to warm up
for another one?
Donna Evleth - 21 May 2008 18:30 GMT
> From: "Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>
> Organization: BellSouth Internet Group
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> half of this for one of those meals and leave the rest to warm up
> for another one?

Because, alas, we have a tiny fridge, and no room for a bigger one.  No
freezer at all.

Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth - 21 May 2008 18:43 GMT
> From: Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com>
> Organization: self
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>>
>> Donna Evleth

Alan, I respect your judgment, so I am responding particularly to you.

> Works for me.

I'm glad for you, I'm less confident for me.

> Not exactly five little meals a day. I still have a small
> breakfast (a two-egg omelette, with veges or bacon, or
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> small portion of potato or similar). And a bedtime small
> snack of muesli or similar.

I do not snack.  I had a metabolic disaster when I was in my twenties.  I
became pregnant, and the doctor thought I was gaining weight too fast (I had
had the Asian flu, and was gaining back the 10 pounds I lost with it), so he
put me on a draconian diet, which is what doctors did at that time (1960).
He started me out with 1100 calories a day, then when I passed out cold on
the front lawn two weeks later, he upped it to 1800 calories a day.  I was
not overweight, nor diabetic at the time.  I ended up with a total weight
gain for the pregnancy of 9 pounds, and a total weight loss of 20 pounds
from my pre-pregnancy weight (140 pounds, 5'7").  The weight never came
back.  Nor did my appetite.  I quickly discovered that snacking, even in the
smallest amount, would kill my appetite for the next meal.  So I do not
snack.

I have the additional problem of being gluten intolerant, and so many of the
snacks (like bread or muesli) are wheat based.

> However, I "graze" during the day with tiny snacks. Things
> like a 3gm CHO cracker with brie, or 100ml of yoghurt with
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> know what I can and can't eat. I just select occasional ones
> to test for "maintenance".

I no longer test all the time either.  But what I really wondered about was
the newly diagnosed, who might have trouble with the "little meals" and
testing.

Donna Evleth

> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
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> Angkor Wat
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Robert Miles - 21 May 2008 21:03 GMT
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> I have the additional problem of being gluten intolerant, and so many of
> the
> snacks (like bread or muesli) are wheat based.

Then you might find some useful information on these newsgroups:

alt.support.food-allergies
alt.med.allergy

They aren't especially active, though.

Also, you might want to look at these websites:

http://www.celiac.com/

http://www.aaaai.org/media/news_releases/2006/08/080206.stm

http://gluten-free.org/hoggan/kidney.txt

http://gluten-free.org/hoggan/kidneyceliac.txt

http://www.kidswithfoodallergies.org/

http://www.foodyoucaneat.com/food/index.php

http://pages.prodigy.net/naturedoctor/nutrition.html

<http://medical-health-care-information.com/articles/Foodallergy_and_intolerance.html>

http://www.foodallergy.org/
Alan S - 21 May 2008 23:09 GMT
>> From: Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com>
>> Organization: self
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>
>Donna Evleth

I suppose there are really two answers; one for you and one
for your daughter. But I'll stick to you, because I have
little information about her. The same logic still applies.

I think you could find a happy median; between your present
way of eating and grazing. If you read my post again, my
snacks are just that - snacks. Too many people turn their
snacks into meals. Portion sizes are the key. Just enough to
let the body know I'm not starving and to stave off any
hunger pangs but not enough to significantly affect my
overall daily calories or raise a blip on the BG levels.

And on calories, I don't consciously count them but I tend
to adjust my main meal of the day related to snacks. The
more I have 'tween meals the smaller are the portions at my
main meals. The daily count probably comes out much the
same. You also did that automatically in the way you
describe your loss of appetite when you snacked; I just
don't have snacks big enough to cause that as severely.

Start small. As an example, you could pick your favourite
fruit, cut it in half (unless it's a grape:-), and eat each
half as a separate snack; say between lunch and dinner and
later in the evening. Or not - it's up to you.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Donna Evleth - 22 May 2008 11:41 GMT
> From: Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com>
> Organization: self
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> half as a separate snack; say between lunch and dinner and
> later in the evening. Or not - it's up to you.

That sounds like useful advice.  Thanks.

Donna Evleth
Ozgirl - 20 May 2008 02:03 GMT
> I was recently talking to my daughter about the practice of eating
> five little meals a day instead of the usual breakfast, lunch and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> hear other people's views on it, especially for diabetics.  I doubt
> that my personal view would change, but I'm curious about it.

I like it for a few reasons (and I eat around 9 times a day). The little anf
often means you don't have too many carbs in one sitting thereby reducing
the risk of spiking and subsequent carb-induced hypos. Also, I feel a
trickle of energy giving foods makes more sense than having a lot at once.
 
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