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Nick Cramer - 17 May 2008 18:24 GMT
Does anyone have any experience with them? Supposedly good for diabetes and
cholesterol.

"Ille salubris aestates peraget, qui nigris prandia moris finiet."
— Horace (Quintus Horatius Flaccus, 65–8 BCE), Satires (Epistles), 35 B.C.

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Erica Nurney - 17 May 2008 22:52 GMT
> Does anyone have any experience with them? Supposedly good for diabetes and
> cholesterol.

Good for silkworms, I hear.

> "Ille salubris aestates peraget, qui nigris prandia moris finiet."
> — Horace (Quintus Horatius Flaccus, 65–8 BCE), Satires (Epistles), 35 B.C.
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Alan S - 18 May 2008 12:51 GMT
>Does anyone have any experience with them? Supposedly good for diabetes and
>cholesterol.
>
>"Ille salubris aestates peraget, qui nigris prandia moris finiet."
>— Horace (Quintus Horatius Flaccus, 65–8 BCE), Satires (Epistles), 35 B.C.

Well, the page your quote led me to (via a little googling)
was fascinating.
http://www.life-enhancement.com/article_template.asp?ID=992

However, the only thing I know that mulberry leaves
benefited were the silkworms I bred as a kid and the
delicious mulberries that grew on the bush in our backyard.

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Nick Cramer - 19 May 2008 05:33 GMT
> <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:
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> benefited were the silkworms I bred as a kid and the
> delicious mulberries that grew on the bush in our backyard.

Jun brought home some cuttings, which were loaded with fruit (no
silkworms). They sure were good! Didn't seem to spike me, either.

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Ozgirl - 19 May 2008 10:12 GMT
>> <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:
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> Jun brought home some cuttings, which were loaded with fruit (no
> silkworms). They sure were good! Didn't seem to spike me, either.

OMG,  memories of mulberries in warm, thick custard! Maybe these days I
could try mulberries with whipped cream sweetened with Splenda :)
Chris Hogg - 18 May 2008 20:08 GMT
>Does anyone have any experience with them? Supposedly good for diabetes and
>cholesterol.
>
>"Ille salubris aestates peraget, qui nigris prandia moris finiet."
>— Horace (Quintus Horatius Flaccus, 65–8 BCE), Satires (Epistles), 35 B.C.

My SIL gave me a booklet the other day extolling the benefits of very
expensive olive leaf extract for diabetics, amongst others. I would
hazard a guess that with a degree of effort one can find a scientific
paper published in an obscure country and in an equally obscure
language, that will claim benefits for almost any leaf on almost any
disease, based on a few experiments with Outer Mongolian hamsters or
whatever, especially if that obscure country has an excess of those
leaves.

The problem with these sorts of claims is (1) they are mostly done on
animals, probably mice and definitely not humans (humans can respond
very differently), and only a few animals at that, i.e. they're far
from proven. (2) because it is a natural product it's not patentable,
so the big drug companies wouldn't make any money out of it so aren't
prepared to do the research necessary to confirm the benefits, or not,
as the case may be. (The ray of hope here is that diabetes is becoming
increasingly common, and if an extract of mulberry leaf or olive leaf
did have some merit, they might be able to improve on it, and that
_would_ be patentable). (3) The concentration of the active ingredient
is so small that you have to eat half a ton of leaves per day to get
any benefit.

Why don't you try it and let us know what happens?

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Nick Cramer - 19 May 2008 05:38 GMT
> On 17 May 2008 17:24:00 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>
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> Why don't you try it and let us know what happens?

Thanks for your informative and insightful post, Chris. I'll let you know
what happens.

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