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Peter C - 22 Dec 2007 19:50 GMT
"Claims that dark chocolate is good for you may be misleading, according to
health experts."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.html?in_articl
e_id=503785&in_page_id=1798

Chris Hogg - 22 Dec 2007 20:15 GMT
>"Claims that dark chocolate is good for you may be misleading, according to
>health experts."
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.html?in_articl
e_id=503785&in_page_id=1798

By a curious coincidence, I was just reading a newspaper article this
morning at a friend's house extolling the virtues of dark chocolate!

'The Lancet' should know what it's talking about, so where can one get
unadulterated dark chocolate that hasn't been messed about with by the
chocolate manufacturers? Many years ago I remember my mother using
great chunks of stuff called 'cooking chocolate'. Would that be
unrefined I wonder, and if so, where can you get it?

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John Williamson - 22 Dec 2007 20:44 GMT
>> "Claims that dark chocolate is good for you may be misleading, according to
>> health experts."
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> great chunks of stuff called 'cooking chocolate'. Would that be
> unrefined I wonder, and if so, where can you get it?

It's supposedly unsweetened chocolate. Quite possibly messed about, with
a high proportion of non cocoa butter solids in it at the cheaper end of
the market. The cocoa butter's the stuff that gives it a nice feel in
the mouth, & the cooking chocolate I've tried doesn't exactly feel smooth.

Lindt do a 90% cocoa solids bar which I buy when I can find it, which
runs to 15 or 20% carbs, but with enough kick that a couple of squares
is plenty. For quite a bit more per gram, they make a 99% cocoa bar...
*That* only takes one square, but it's very bitter.

For a bit of a change, try their bar with cherry & chili in it. 70%
cocoa, still, & not a lot of sugar.

Hotel Chocolat...

http://www.hotelchocolat.co.uk/src/google/cid/DNSK0SL6GAFDLHHT0TS1UKE3LA45EGJH/P
urist-Bar--Organic-Dark-100-P240007/


(I hope that URL doesn't break when it wraps)

The description's a bit pretentious, mind. So is the price.

I've seen the Lindt 70% in smallish bars in motorway services recently.
It's about 35% carbs. None of the above do anything drastic to my BG
levels in moderation, & with the amount of cocoa in them, you won't need
to eat much :-)

Thierry, a French company do a nice range from 65 to 85% cocoa solids.

All these are dark chocolates. Milk chocolates normally have a high
sugar content to go with the high dairy content.

Green & Black's is nice, but what I've seen is mostly only about 70% cocoa.

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John.
(Type 2, Gliclazide & metformin.)

Chris Hogg - 23 Dec 2007 08:18 GMT
>>> "Claims that dark chocolate is good for you may be misleading, according to
>>> health experts."
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>
>Green & Black's is nice, but what I've seen is mostly only about 70% cocoa.

Thanks for those comments. I get Lindt 85% cocoa and eat half-squares
at a time as I'm prone to migraines :-(

But is there any way of knowing whether even these high-cocoa
chocolates are flavanol-reduced, as implied by 'The Lancet'? I guess
not.

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John Williamson - 23 Dec 2007 21:08 GMT
> But is there any way of knowing whether even these high-cocoa
> chocolates are flavanol-reduced, as implied by 'The Lancet'? I guess
> not.

The only way to be 100% sure would be to get in touch with the makers
direct & ask them. Even then, they may decline to answer as the answer
could be commercially sensitive.

If you do find out, There are a few in here who might like to know.

Sorry I can't help more.

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John.

Peter C - 23 Dec 2007 10:16 GMT
>> By a curious coincidence, I was just reading a newspaper article this
>> morning at a friend's house extolling the virtues of dark chocolate!

Hi there Chris old boy,
a great resource for nutritional information is ...
www.nutritiondata.com

Here is their take on dark chocolate, unfortunately doesn't mention which
brand ...

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c21QE.html#nutrients-per-serving

Three very important flavanoids are ...Quercetin, Epicatechin and Oligomeric
proanthocyanidins
( a bit of a mouthful in themselves !)
So if you are analysing the nutritional content of dark choc bars those are
the names to watch out for.
Nicky - 24 Dec 2007 08:02 GMT
>"Claims that dark chocolate is good for you may be misleading, according to
>health experts."
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.html?in_articl
e_id=503785&in_page_id=1798

I think this is another case of "you get what you pay for" - I'm
pretty confident that the stash of Belgian chocolate I've just brought
back is 100% un-mucked-around with : )

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Peter C - 24 Dec 2007 09:47 GMT
"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message >

> I think this is another case of "you get what you pay for" - I'm
> pretty confident that the stash of Belgian chocolate I've just brought
> back is 100% un-mucked-around with : )

If it's Belgian it might have a touch of horse in it ;-)
Nicky - 24 Dec 2007 10:26 GMT
>"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message >
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>If it's Belgian it might have a touch of horse in it ;-)

Neigh :D

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Andy Hall - 24 Dec 2007 14:48 GMT
> "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message >
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> If it's Belgian it might have a touch of horse in it ;-)

You've missed the mane point.......
Peter C - 24 Dec 2007 19:25 GMT
She might get the trots !
Andy Hall - 24 Dec 2007 14:47 GMT
>> "Claims that dark chocolate is good for you may be misleading, according to
>> health experts."
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/dietfitness.html?in_articl
e_id=503785&in_page_id=1798

I

> think this is another case of "you get what you pay for" - I'm
> pretty confident that the stash of Belgian chocolate I've just brought
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25

Guaranteed.  Enjoy it.
 
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