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DaveT - 06 Oct 2005 21:38 GMT

Anyone been on this antibiotic? Has it shown discrepancies in you BG and if
it has by what amount?
The surgeon at the hospital has put me on Ciprofloxacin 500g twice daily. At
the hospital I was only warned that I had not to have milk products 6hrs
before or 2hrs after because it would weaken the strength of the
Ciprofloxacin.
When I just read the ream of possible side affects one say's 'it may raise
the appearance of BG when you test'.
I have just tested and I am reading 16 mmol/L with what I have eaten and
injected for I was expecting a reading of 5 - 7 at the most. I am now
wondering if the infection has lowered the power of the insulin and I am
high or if this medication is making a higher reading than it is. I am going
to shoot as if my guess was right (for 6) and get on to my doctor in the
morning to see if he can come up with something different.
Another of the side effects mentioned is that it may make the patient
suicidal!! I wondered when I read that if the doc was trying to kill me but
I later read that another of the side affect is an unreasonable feeling that
someone is out to get you so he can't that makes him innocent I think ;-)

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Nicky - 06 Oct 2005 22:51 GMT

> Another of the side effects mentioned is that it may make the patient
> suicidal!! I wondered when I read that if the doc was trying to kill me
> but
> I later read that another of the side affect is an unreasonable feeling
> that
> someone is out to get you so he can't that makes him innocent I think ;-)

It's only paranoia if they're not out to get you : )

I've had this antibiotic in the past, but before dx, so I couldn't tell you
what it did for my BGs. I do know that it was the 3rd antibiotic we tried
against an infection, and that was the one that did the trick.

Nicky.

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DaveT - 06 Oct 2005 23:01 GMT

> > Another of the side effects mentioned is that it may make the patient
> > suicidal!! I wondered when I read that if the doc was trying to kill me
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>
> It's only paranoia if they're not out to get you : )

That's OK then, (thinks) "is Nicky out to get me as well" ;-)

> I've had this antibiotic in the past, but before dx, so I couldn't tell you
> what it did for my BGs. I do know that it was the 3rd antibiotic we tried
> against an infection, and that was the one that did the trick.
>
> Nicky.

He said it was a good one so if I could find just an idea of the variance I
will stick with it. Another way is to go back to a fixed insulin/gram while
for the eight days I have left to take them (I'll try to see my doc tomorrow
if he is in).

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Christian - 06 Oct 2005 22:56 GMT

> I have just tested and I am reading 16 mmol/L with what I have eaten and
> injected for I was expecting a reading of 5 - 7 at the most. I am now
> wondering if the infection has lowered the power of the insulin and I am
> high or if this medication is making a higher reading than it is. I am going
> to shoot as if my guess was right (for 6) and get on to my doctor in the
> morning to see if he can come up with something different.

I don´t think that Ciprofloxacin has that a big effect on the glucose
level. It may increase it _slightly_ but not double or triple it. I had
Ciprofloxacin once, and it was not worse than at other times when I was
sick. Any sickness has influence on the glucose level, be it with or
without a medication which is said to increas it. In fact, a simple flu
will have unpredictable results, and the insulin dosage would not have
the usual effect.

> Another of the side effects mentioned is that it may make the patient
> suicidal!! I wondered when I read that if the doc was trying to kill me but
> I later read that another of the side affect is an unreasonable feeling that
> someone is out to get you so he can't that makes him innocent I think ;-)

When I first travelled to Ghana and had to take malaria prophylactic
medication (Lariam), I also was shocked about what they wrote in the
leaflet (see <http://www.rocheusa.com/products/lariam/pi.pdf>). My
doctor then told me how to really read those informations. And since
then I took Lariam (or ets generic equivalent) for every visit to Ghana
without any noticeable undesired side effect.

Just keep calm and follow the instructions of your doctor; he sure
doesn't want to kill you (that way he would loose a client!).

Christian.

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DaveT - 07 Oct 2005 12:13 GMT

> > I have just tested and I am reading 16 mmol/L with what I have eaten and
> > injected for I was expecting a reading of 5 - 7 at the most. I am now
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> will have unpredictable results, and the insulin dosage would not have
> the usual effect.

Thanks Christian that is exactly what I was wanting. An idea of the amount
of interference to the meter reading these tablets could cause against the
usual rise in BG an infection causes.
I had just taken my 4th pair of tablets and as it was late(ish) I did not
want to end up in hypoland if I over corrected. I read your post just after
I posted the reply to Nicky and gave another couple of units, tested this
morning before I took the tablets and the reading was 8 so the infection is
interfering with my BG, took just 1 cream cracker took the tablets and it
shot up to thirteen within an hour so I am going to
A after Nicky's advice- stick with the tablets
B with your help- test before I take the tablets and give more than normal
insulin to fight the (IR?) difference the infection is causing.
I love the reassurance this group give out.
Again thank you both.

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oldal4865 - 07 Oct 2005 17:04 GMT

. . .(snip). . .
just 1 cream cracker took the tablets and it

>shot up to thirteen within an hour so I am going to
>A after Nicky's advice- stick with the tablets
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>Dx 1955
>T1 on BeefL and humalog when needed

". . . .(IR?) . . . ."

My guess. . .your infection and/or your therapy are convincing your liver
to dump extra glucose. Add the extra glucose to the Dawn Effect/Morning
Effect nonsense and your "apparent" insulin/carb ratio goes South.

I had some real problems last February and my necessary insulin doses went
absolutely wild. I was shooting enough bolus insulin in the morning to
put me flat on the floor under normal circumstances but it was just barely
controlling my sugars. I could track my recovery by the reduction in my
daily insulin dose.

Regards
Old Al

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Chris Quinn - 07 Oct 2005 22:09 GMT

> Anyone been on this antibiotic? Has it shown discrepancies in you BG
> and if it has by what amount?
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> an unreasonable feeling that someone is out to get you so he can't
> that makes him innocent I think ;-)

I had it pre-Dx but post symptoms to treat a bad ear infection after a
scuba trip to Egypt - I presume the extra glucose in my blood made me very
tasty to the bugs (pseudomonas according to the tests) - the cipro was the
only thing it was sensitive to. I ended up having minor surgery to drain
an abcess in the ear canal.

Cipro is what they use to treat Anthrax as well btw

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Tiger Lily - 07 Oct 2005 22:23 GMT

i was put on Cipro for 10 days for pneumonia (10
days is a LONG TIME for Cipro)

the only side affect from the Cipro is that it
negates the affects of birth control pills

my son is now 11 yrs old :-)

kate

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> Anyone been on this antibiotic? Has it shown discrepancies in you BG and if
> it has by what amount?
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> I later read that another of the side affect is an unreasonable feeling that
> someone is out to get you so he can't that makes him innocent I think ;-)

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Nicky - 07 Oct 2005 23:01 GMT

>i was put on Cipro for 10 days for pneumonia (10
> days is a LONG TIME for Cipro)
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>
> my son is now 11 yrs old :-)

Oops : ) Hopefully his name bears no resemblance to a certain antibiotic...

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Tiger Lily - 07 Oct 2005 23:07 GMT

> >i was put on Cipro for 10 days for pneumonia (10
> > days is a LONG TIME for Cipro)
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>
> Nicky.

John Alexander because i like the combination,
Stuart because he was born on my father's birthday
(my father's middle name because John Glenn has
been a famous name already.........)...........
last name is my maiden name due to father NOT
wanting to talk about names at all......... then
acting surprised when i asked him once again
before i left the hospital and telling me that he
told everyone John was his name because *I* said
it was (i never did, i just suggested it).........
whatever, he's dead and that's long
gone............

Cipro wasn't a consideration......... but i wasn't
the ONLY Cipro Mommy in the hospital that
weekend........... :-)............ and it still
took them another Three Months to announce that
Cipro "might" negate the affects of birth control
pills

lol

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