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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / August 2005More on that Isophane stuff
Well i stuck 18u in last night, FBG was 5.6. I'm going to pop another 2u in tonight and i should be back to around the 4.0 i'm used to. Not sure what i'll do about the daytime readings yet, i'm inclined to just stick the other 4 to 6 units in at 6.30am and let them float around for the day. I'm definitely nearly there, i went out for a beer last night, had 2 halfs of very nice ale and a packet of crisps. I was 6.1 before i started and 5.6 three hours later when i left. Had a couple of jelly babies on the drive home, was 6.2 when i tested after getting in. I don't know whether its just me, but the Isophane seems to have a much more resilient effect than Lantus and seems better able to deal with between meal BGs especially if i have something like a beer or a packet of crisps. With Lantus, i was having to inject for the beer AND the crips. As far as i can tell the insulin seems to be a better balance and much much smoother in the way it works. The only low i've had was one 3.3 on the night i changed over - not one since. Depending how this goes, i'm going to report my progress to the Hospital and suggest that maybe Lantus isn't the wonder drug they claimed it was when they put me onto it. Sure it's better than insulatard, but i know i'm preaching to the converted here :-) Patrick > Well i stuck 18u in last night, FBG was 5.6. I'm going to pop another 2u > in tonight and i should be back to around the 4.0 i'm used to. Not sure [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Patrick AFAIAC there is no such thing as a wonder drug in any illness or health problem of any kind, and there never will be. Endos are just as guilty of pipe-dreams as the rest of us -- no surprises, they are human first and endos last. i like preaching to the converted coz the unconverted don't listen anyway. :-) Alan H  SignatureDo, or do not. There is no try. Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back Never go to bed mad. Stay up and fight! Phyllis Diller >>Well i stuck 18u in last night, FBG was 5.6. I'm going to pop another 2u >>in tonight and i should be back to around the 4.0 i'm used to. Not sure [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Alan H Well FBG this morning was a leisurely 4.8 which is exactly what i was after. I'll see how today goes with the between meal numbers and whether i still get a mid morning low. Patrick > The only low i've had was one 3.3 on the night i changed over - not one > since. Depending how this goes, i'm going to report my progress to the > Hospital and suggest that maybe Lantus isn't the wonder drug they claimed > it was when they put me onto it. Lantus isn't a "wonder drug " - it isn't a drug at all. Give it six months before you jump to any conclusions. Porcine isophane is an intermediate-acting insulin and Lantus is a long acting analogue - different insulins designed to do different jobs, chalk and cheese, so a head-to-head comparison perhaps isn't all that useful. Why did you choose porcine isophane after all, when the animal insulin users on this ng were mainly recommending "beef lente" to you ? It's ironic that you moved from an analogue to an animal insulin just at the precise moment that a staunch advocate of animal insulins on this ng had to change from animal insulin to an analogue because he could no longer control his bgs with the animal insulin. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > change from animal insulin to an analogue because he could no longer control > his bgs with the animal insulin. Different factors and different people peter. I don't like the lab reports on lantus so i've had a change, one that is supported by my medical team. What was reccomended was what worked, and this is working at least as well as lantus and seems to be better. If you're referring to Alan then he's gone to a pump which is entirely different. I'll give it as long as it takes, but the data i've collected so far seems to suggest that the isophane is doing a much better job of controlling inter meal Bgs even if it means a couple more shots. isn't Peter C the guy who's a T2? I'm glad its working for ya Patrick... it's great when we find what works... now i'm heading to bed.. my set fell off tonight and i'm too bloody lazy to change to a new one i prolly should have said anything.. but Alan is too cute when he yells.. ;-) night ya'll Reisa | > x-no-archive: yes | > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] | seems to suggest that the isophane is doing a much better job of | controlling inter meal Bgs even if it means a couple more shots. > isn't Peter C the guy who's a T2? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Reisa It's all you can do isn't it. If it works, then use it for as long as it works, but if it stops working or doesn't work as well as it did you might need to change the way you use it or use something else. I've got FBG cracked, that's easy. It's the daytime readings i've got to go at now. That's always fun as i don't have identical days at work so it's a bit more of a balancing act. I've started off with 10u at 6.30am and taking it from there. I seem to need slightly more of the ispophane as it's not a 24 hour coverage, what i do find is that it works a lot more predictably than the lantus did. Had one silly hypo last night, wobbled downstairs with a reading of 1.9 - felt crap but got it sorted with brown sugar and a slice of toast. My fault, i'd injected 20u at teatime, forgotten about it and thought i'd only put ten in .. so i stuck another 10u in and bingo, 2 hours later i'm as low as hell :) It's just a case of getting into a routine for me, or incoporating the new stuff into my regieme. All in all i'm not complaining, well not too much anyway <G> Patrick. > RK wrote >> isn't Peter C the guy who's a T2? Yep, nuff said. >> I'm glad its working for ya Patrick... it's great >> when we find what works... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> i prolly should have said anything.. but Alan is >> too cute when he yells.. ;-) Okeydokey, i won't yell, coz i mustn't get a reputation for being 'cute'. It doesn't fit my self-image. How did your set fall off? Not growing hairs on yer belly, are ya? LOL >> night ya'll G'night, and sweet dreams. >> Reisa > > It's all you can do isn't it. If it works, then use it for as long as it > works, but if it stops working or doesn't work as well as it did you might > need to change the way you use it or use something else. Just for the sake of correcting a misapphrension on PCs part, beef lente did not stop working correctly, but the beef neutral is too slow to cope with the big, hugiferous, humungous increase in food intake. [BMI was less than 16 -- ooh narsty] > I've got FBG cracked, that's easy. It's the daytime readings i've got to > go at now. That's always fun as i don't have identical days at work so > it's a bit more of a balancing act. I've started off with 10u at 6.30am > and taking it from there. I seem to need slightly more of the ispophane as > it's not a 24 hour coverage, what i do find is that it works a lot more > predictably than the lantus did. Them non_identical days at work suggest the possibility -- later, if the isophane doesn't work -- of trying either Levemir, or a pump, or Lente. Give it six months tho. > Had one silly hypo last night, wobbled downstairs with a reading of 1.9 Usual but not desirable for us T1 types. > - felt crap but got it sorted with brown sugar and a slice of toast. My > fault, i'd injected 20u at teatime, forgotten about it and thought i'd > only put ten in .. so i stuck another 10u in and bingo, 2 hours later i'm > as low as hell :) When i was unsure, i injected no more -- i rather go over 10 than below 3. > It's just a case of getting into a routine for me, or incoporating the new > stuff into my regieme. All in all i'm not complaining, well not too much > anyway <G> > > Patrick. Alan H SignatureDo, or do not. There is no try. Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back Never go to bed mad. Stay up and fight! Phyllis Diller | > RK wrote | >> isn't Peter C the guy who's a T2? | >> | Yep, nuff said. LOL my thoughts exactly. :-) | >> I'm glad its working for ya Patrick... it's great | >> when we find what works... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | doesn't fit my self-image. How did your set fall off? Not growing hairs on | yer belly, are ya? Pfft! oh sure, gawd forbid if you'd ruin your rep! ;-) LOL, hell if I know how... I'd taken a shower cuz I was out in the car looking for a envelope I'd left out there, well the car was like a blasted sauna, literally within 5mins I was a sweaty fool, my clothes were literally wet. So, I went in to shower to go to work, and as I was dressing, I hit it with my hand and plop it just fell right off. Think I over did it with the "getting" it wet. sweating was okay, showering is okay, but the both together without dry time between was just too much... LOL and NO! i'm not growing hair on my belly... well not yet at least.. (and yes, you made me look to make sure) So, how are you coming along with your sets? have you found a good place to put it? Just wondering, you prefer the 24in sets or the 42in sets better? You need any extra tape or just the tape that comes with the set? who was the other guy here that was supposed to have started to pump also? I really think we need a good pumping diabetic newsgroup too.. the mailing list just gets to be too much, too hard to follow in digest and its a hassle to log into the web to view it. Reisa... | LOL | [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] | > Patrick. | Alan H > Alan Hardy wrote > | > RK wrote [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > (and > yes, you made me look to make sure) So long as your sure, thats fine. > So, how are you coming along with your sets? have you found a good place > to > put > it? Yeah, on me hairy belly above the navel left and right and centre, and each side of the navel. that's 10 days rest for each side, plus finer adjustments. > Just wondering, you prefer the 24in sets or the 42in sets better? You > need any > extra tape or just the tape that comes with the set? 24 in sets is best for me. The tape is easily available and cheap too. Cheaper than the cost of a prescription. > who was the other guy here that was supposed to have started to pump also? Carl Wood, who has always been an occasional poster. Poor bloke has severe retinopathy -- after 40 odd years thats not a surprise, but it isn't everybody who gets it. i think i remember SuMari starting or about to start, and Mitch is looking for funding. Peter Hamilton-Scott left this ng over a year ago. > I > really think we need a good pumping diabetic newsgroup too.. the mailing > list > just gets to be too much, too hard to follow in digest and its a hassle to > log into > the web to view it. Maybe, but the idea of a T2-only group fell flat, and there's more of them than there is of us. Perhaps float the idea in a different thread in mhd, asd, and here? Alan H SignatureDo, or do not. There is no try. Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back Never go to bed mad. Stay up and fight! Phyllis Diller > Reisa... > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > | > Patrick. > | Alan H >> RK wrote >>> isn't Peter C the guy who's a T2? >>> > Yep, nuff said. Thats right - an impartial, objective viewpoint on T1 matters. >>> RK wrote >>>> isn't Peter C the guy who's a T2? >>>> >> Yep, nuff said. > > Thats right - an impartial, objective viewpoint on T1 matters. With the immediate problem of no T1 practical experience, that's why i tend to listen to the T1 a little more on matters specifically concerning the practicalities of T1 treatment. Last nights readings were 5.0 before tea, 6.3 2 hours after, 5.2 before bed and an FBG of 4.4 - oh yes and no significant lows to speak of. It's not that the Lantus was that bad, it's that the isophane seems so much better. Anyone can comment on mechanics, physics and manufacturers claims, but only the people who've had direct personal experience of these drugs can comment in any degree on how they worked for them. I appreciate your input on the science of T1, but when it comes to the day to day practicalities, you're as able to comment as I feel i am on T2 matters. Patrick. > "Peter C" <peterc_2003@europe.com> wrote in message > I appreciate your input on the science of T1, but when it comes to the day > to day practicalities, you're as able to comment as I feel i am on T2 > matters. Obviously - and I wouldn't dream of commenting on day to day practicalities of T1. Not being involved the day-to-day hurly burly of T1 gives a sense of detachment you may lack. All I did was point out that lantus isnot a drug, it is an analogie of a hormone - you don't ned to be T1 to do that. I suggested that you give your new regime six months before coming to any definite conclusions about it - you don't have to be T1 to suggest that. And I asked why you had chosen porcine isophane over beef lente when most of the folks on here who responded to your original question suggested beef lente - you don't have to be T1 to ask that. Two posters ( Beav and smiles5 ) mentioned isophane insulin but both said they had problems with night-time hypos on it. When I asked the question about whether we should have a separate ng for T2 two years ago, most people rejected the idea because they wanted both types on the same newsgroup with a cross pollination of ideas and discussion. Al Hardy was one of the people who vehemently opposed a separate T2 ng ( even though he is not T2 ) and even threatened to try wreck it with spam iif it went ahead. That being so he will have to put up with T2s occasionally responding to posts on T1. I note that both Alan and RK post freelly on T2 issues and RK, who is an American, has no problem advising UK diabetics on this ng. Let's have no illiberal, myopic,obscurantist nonsense on this ng that T1s can only comment on T1 and T2 on T2, otherwise we really would need separate ngs. >> "Peter C" <peterc_2003@europe.com> wrote in message >> I appreciate your input on the science of T1, but when it comes to the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Obviously - and I wouldn't dream of commenting on day to day > practicalities of T1. Well not too much eh <G> > Not being involved the day-to-day hurly burly of T1 gives a sense of > detachment you may lack. I'd love a sense of detachment, Alan seems quite happy with his new found attachment though ... weird disease. > All I did was point out that lantus isnot a drug, it is an analogie of a > hormone - you don't ned to be T1 to do that. Lantus is a bit of an unknown even in the medical community and is by no means well enough understood. > I suggested that you give your new regime six months before coming to any > definite conclusions about it - you don't have to be T1 to suggest that. Aye you did, but when you're not detached from T1, you know pretty quickly how something is going to work for you. I feel better, feel sharper, my bolus requirements are down. I've had my first hypo warning sign today in months, you've no idea how nice it is to feel the beginnings of warning shake when you hit 3.5 mmol/l!! > And I asked why you had chosen porcine isophane over beef lente when most > of the folks on here who responded to your original question suggested > beef lente - you don't have to be T1 to ask that. Two posters ( Beav and > smiles5 ) mentioned isophane insulin but both said they had problems with > night-time hypos on it. Yup, and i'm not either of them. I asked about going onto animal insulin and my medical team suggested Porcine Isophane. I'm still led by them to a greater degree, what I was after was getting off the lantus. > When I asked the question about whether we should have a separate ng for > T2 two years ago, > most people rejected the idea because they wanted both types on the same > newsgroup with a cross pollination of ideas and discussion. That i would agree with, i still think there's a lot of dietary information that T1 could use from the well controlled T2. > Al Hardy was one of the people who vehemently opposed a separate T2 ng ( > even though he is not T2 ) and even threatened to try wreck it with spam > iif it went ahead. That being so he will have to put up with T2s > occasionally responding to posts on T1. Ahhh you just don't love each other that's all. > I note that both Alan and RK post freelly on T2 issues and RK, who is an > American, has no problem advising UK diabetics on this ng. Anyone is free to comment on anything, but that also means those who are being commented on have the right to reply and maybe even disagree ;) > Let's have no illiberal, myopic,obscurantist nonsense on this ng that T1s > can only comment on T1 and T2 on T2, otherwise we really would need > separate ngs. That's not what i was suggesting, what i'm saying, and you agree with me, is that there are certain aspects of both diseases, specifically the practicalities that T1 and T2 have very different experiences of and as such may have to avoid certain topics because they just don't know or understand because they have little or no first hand experience. patrick > >> "Peter C" <peterc_2003@europe.com> wrote in message Snip > That's not what i was suggesting, what i'm saying, and you agree with me, is > that there are certain aspects of both diseases, specifically the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > patrick I am truly pleased you have your feelings back. If you do start loseing them again or they become eratic, try Humalog. The first time you regain those lost diabetic feelings again is an experience beyond the comprehension of even T1s who have not (yet) lost them let alone a T2. (Wait for the statement to come that you lose feelings because you are not in control or are trying to keep too tight a control) To wake up from a coma (insulin shock) that you never knew was going to happen is an experience I would not wish on any one. The control those feelings give you are as important as the insulin and can only be bettered (as you will know sometimes they do let you down through fatigue/exercise/dare I say drink) by a (future) test meter that monitors BG 24/7. What you are using is basically a mix regime with instead of both insulin's being injected together twice a day you are just splitting your basal twice and adjusting your bolus to each meal. Sounds good to me though do you have any problems with the second meal = lunch/supper? If Peter had any insulin experience he would know that the six months rule applies to all insulin's. Same applies to the one up two down rule for adjusting your basal/mix insulin's with 3 days wait for the result to show it too applies to all involved insulin's.. If it works don't let it be knocked by anyone. The work you are putting in to control your diabetes, you deserve it to work and keep on giveing us updates because if I have trouble I may try the pork. If it does not then ask to try the BeefL but only if *you* want to (if I was you I would try the Humalog (lispro) first). SignatureDaveT T1 on BeefL and humalog when needed >> >> "Peter C" <peterc_2003@europe.com> wrote in message > Snip [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > was > you I would try the Humalog (lispro) first). Cheers for that Dave. I'll monitor it and see how it goes over the next few months up to the next A1c > That's not what i was suggesting, what i'm saying, I didn't say you were saying that, I responded with a jokey post to this exchange, RK : isn't Peter C the guy who's a T2? AH : Yep, nuff said. RK : LOL my thoughts exactly. :-) which does seem to suggest on the face of it that T2s are not allowed to comment on T1 matters or even ask questions about it as I did. >>That's not what i was suggesting, what i'm saying, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > which does seem to suggest on the face of it that T2s are not allowed > to comment on T1 matters or even ask questions about it as I did. Well stop looking on the face of it then ;) | > That's not what i was suggesting, what i'm saying, | [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | which does seem to suggest on the face of it that T2s are not allowed | to comment on T1 matters or even ask questions about it as I did. it was other comments made prior. to bad you weren't included in those, they were private emails. | I note that both Alan and RK post freelly on T2 issues and RK, who is an | American, has no problem advising UK diabetics on this ng. | Let's have no illiberal, myopic,obscurantist nonsense on this ng that T1s | can only comment on T1 and T2 on T2, otherwise we really would need separate | ngs. so I'm wrong in my diabetic advice because I'm American? | > isn't Peter C the guy who's a T2? | > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] | works, but if it stops working or doesn't work as well as it did you might | need to change the way you use it or use something else. Thats very true... seems being a T1 often is a balancing act but can be a very interesting one if allowed. I find it almost a game of sorts learning how new things, either food, meds or insulin react, whether they work or not, or last as long as the manf. states they will. | I've got FBG cracked, that's easy. It's the daytime readings i've got to go | at now. That's always fun as i don't have identical days at work so it's a | bit more of a balancing act. I've started off with 10u at 6.30am and taking | it from there. I seem to need slightly more of the ispophane as it's not a | 24 hour coverage, what i do find is that it works a lot more predictably | than the lantus did. LOL, Patrick, I don't think any of us have identical days ;-) perhaps add a 3rd dose in after figuring out at what time you begin to lose it since it's not going 24hrs for you. I'd say, find out what the start time of the insulin is. Like Lantus takes 2hrs to get working once injected then inject that much sooner to not have a lapse in dosage in the body. thats good that its more predictable then Lantus. I never could figure out Lantus all the way, no matter how I split it, no matter what time I took it, i just absorbed it too fast and didn't do really what it should, except keep me pretty stable during the daytime until I ran out then I'd shoot sky high again. | Had one silly hypo last night, wobbled downstairs with a reading of 1.9 - | felt crap but got it sorted with brown sugar and a slice of toast. My fault, | i'd injected 20u at teatime, forgotten about it and thought i'd only put ten | in .. so i stuck another 10u in and bingo, 2 hours later i'm as low as hell | :) OppS! bad boy you!! ;-) hope you're feeling better and don't make that mistake again. | It's just a case of getting into a routine for me, or incoporating the new | stuff into my regieme. All in all i'm not complaining, well not too much | anyway <G> ah hell complain all ya want... we all do it, makes us think of different ways to maybe adjust ourselves or insulins... or definately help others think and they give the advise. Best of luck my friend... Reisa | Patrick. > | > isn't Peter C the guy who's a T2? > | > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > | > | Patrick. I'm along the lines so far of 18u taken at 6.00pm. Other factors aside, it will give me an fbg of 4 to 5 mmol/l. It seems to run out around 10am or thereabouts so i need to stick the next lot in around 6.00am to 8.00am or so. I'm going to stick with that 10u for the moment and increase it by 2u every 2 days until i get the between meal readings i want. This may mean i'm using up to 36u of isophane compared to 28u of lantus. I feel crappy today but that's probably down to the hypo and the resulting bounce up to silly figures, starting a day high is not the best way to figure out your needs is it ;) I tested 13.8 at breakfast lol ... stuck 8u of novorapid in and got it down to 6, had a small wholemal bun with some bacon in, took 6u and bounced back up to 11.7. Stuck another 6u of novorapid in and am now back down to 6.2 again. Looks to me like it's a simple case of not enough basal floating around which is easy enough to sort out. I do appear to be getting around 16 to 18 hours out of a shot though but the peak activity and "protection" is definitely wearing off by around 12 hours and i DO seem to need the full activity for it to be of any use, the tail end of the insulin doesn't seem strong enough for my needs. Tick tock ... that's time telling :) > Well i stuck 18u in last night, FBG was 5.6. I'm going to pop another 2u > in tonight and i should be back to around the 4.0 i'm used to. Not sure [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > it was when they put me onto it. Sure it's better than insulatard, but i > know i'm preaching to the converted here :-) And remember Pat, those that recommended Lantus at the clinic/hopsital won't be using it, just buying it and believing what he drugs reps tell them. Intelligent they are. Obviously:) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >>Well i stuck 18u in last night, FBG was 5.6. I'm going to pop another 2u >>in tonight and i should be back to around the 4.0 i'm used to. Not sure [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > be using it, just buying it and believing what he drugs reps tell them. > Intelligent they are. Obviously:) Mornin Beav, I think i've also sussed the reason why i'd always had such lousy post prandial breakfast and lunch readings unless i took a large amount of novorapid, it seems lantus was running out once it had dealt with my FBG too. I've gone for broke this morning and taken another 18u of isophane at 6.30am. I'm working on the basis that if i can handle that much when i'm sleeping, handling it when i'm wide awake should be possible too. If it means i can cut down on my bolus each meal and then stop going so high then so low it might just be the answer. I'll step it down if i need to. I'll be watching out with my meter around the 9.00am mark :) I'll let you know if i end up in A&E or not :-) >>>Well i stuck 18u in last night, FBG was 5.6. I'm going to pop another 2u >>>in tonight and i should be back to around the 4.0 i'm used to. Not sure [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > novorapid, it seems lantus was running out once it had dealt with my FBG > too. Never having used it, I wouldn't like to comment Pat, but I suppose anything's possible, particularly if you took one Lantus shot per day and shot it at night. I've gone for broke this morning and taken another 18u of isophane > at 6.30am. I'm working on the basis that if i can handle that much when > i'm sleeping, handling it when i'm wide awake should be possible too. I take more beef at night than I do in the morning. Only by one or two units, but it doesn't work for me the other way round. Mind you, I don't eat during the day, my regime wouldn't suit many. If > it means i can cut down on my bolus each meal and then stop going so high > then so low it might just be the answer. If the so is churning away, then you shouldn't have to do TOO much with the rapid, but relying on the Iso to cope with meals WILL require a well thought out meal. Slow burning insulin requires a slow burning carb regime. I'll step it down if i > need to. I'll be watching out with my meter around the 9.00am mark :) > > I'll let you know if i end up in A&E or not :-) I doubt you'll be going there! :-) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >>>>Well i stuck 18u in last night, FBG was 5.6. I'm going to pop another 2u >>>>in tonight and i should be back to around the 4.0 i'm used to. Not sure [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > I doubt you'll be going there! :-) As i've just said in t'other post ... i'm there and happy. I'll not be going back to Lantus unless something serious goes wrong. No A&E although the 1.9 i tested the other morning gave me a nasty sweat:D My own stupid fault for sticking an extra 10u of Iso in on top of the 20u i'd taken at tea time :-) >>>I'll let you know if i end up in A&E or not :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > My own stupid fault for sticking an extra 10u of Iso in on top of the 20u > i'd taken at tea time :-) Well they do say the last muppet's not been born yet :-)) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >>>>I'll let you know if i end up in A&E or not :-) >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Well they do say the last muppet's not been born yet :-)) Currently breeding them in the estates of hull mate :) >>>>>I'll let you know if i end up in A&E or not :-) >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Currently breeding them in the estates of hull mate :) D'you want me to get you a spot on Steve Wright in th'afternoon? :-) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >>>>>>I'll let you know if i end up in A&E or not :-) >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > D'you want me to get you a spot on Steve Wright in th'afternoon? :-) Would need to be a slightly larger than average spot, i'm increasing exponentially ;) > Well i stuck 18u in last night, FBG was 5.6. I'm going to pop another 2u > in tonight and i should be back to around the 4.0 i'm used to. Not sure [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Patrick 18u last night - fbg 5.1 18u at 6.30am Post breakfast 6.2 mid morning 5.2 Pre lunch 4.1 We'll see how the rest of the day goes but it rather looks like that's it cracked. Patrick >>Well i stuck 18u in last night, FBG was 5.6. I'm going to pop another 2u >>in tonight and i should be back to around the 4.0 i'm used to. Not sure [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Patrick Good evening folks, Right final update. I've settled on 18u for the evening shot. I'm undecided between 16u and 18u for the daytime shot. I think i'm dropping a little fast between meals, but my bolus requirements have gone right down. I'm having to readjust how much i inject for what but with the number of times i test spotting and correcting doses is not a problem. Breakfast - 2 sausage, 2 egg, 2 bacon, 2 toast and a small portion of beans was 12 to 14u it's now down to 12u. Lunch - small brown bap with cheese, ham, pickle, lettuce and cucumber and a packet of crisps is now only requiring 12u of novorapid and even that may come down to 10u. Previously that was taking 16u of novorapid. Evenings - Usually cereal. 2 weetabix, was taking 8u and is now needing 6u or less. Basal increase from 28u to 36u, 18u at 6.00pm and 18u at 6.30am. Bolus has decreased by 10u daily on average so far. I've just started my excercise plan again now that i've got the basal insulin working as i want it. I'm quite sure i'll have to drop the evening 18u by 2u and possibly the daytime one by 2u as well once i get properly back into things. FBG this morning was 4.4 Post breakfast was 6.6 Pre lunch was 3.9 Post lunch was 4.9 Pre Dinner was 4.3 Post Dinner was 5.1 23:30pm tested at 4.9 Just tested Blood pressure at 122/67 I've not had one hypo all day, not one .. not even the whisper of one. I've eaten a normal days food and done a normal days work. I'm still losing weight, people are starting to comment at work now, rather than "morning fatrick" i'm getting people ask me what diet i'm on :-) Now for some, it will take 6 months of this before they believe the results but i'm going on how i feel and what the meter tells me. I feel fine and the meter tells me i'm doing better than i was on lantus. Apart from that stinking 1.9 mmol/l ( my fault) the other morning, i've seen nothing under about 3.3 and that was only one reading. The rest have been between 4 and 7 mmol/l without exception. It would seem that at the moment, the only thing that's sick about me is my sense of humour and that's always been sick :-) I feel bloody marvellous in truth. Still not smoked anything other than the odd rolling tobacco smoke, had the odd beer and the odd glass of wine. Not touched chocolate except for hypo or excercise needs in months. Someone find me an unmotivated T1 to bash about the head please :) Cheers, Patrick. >>>Well i stuck 18u in last night, FBG was 5.6. I'm going to pop another 2u >>>in tonight and i should be back to around the 4.0 i'm used to. Not sure [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > Someone find me an unmotivated T1 to bash about the head please :) Get over to ASD. Plenty of pratts over there need a bash:-)) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >>>>Well i stuck 18u in last night, FBG was 5.6. I'm going to pop another 2u >>>>in tonight and i should be back to around the 4.0 i'm used to. Not sure [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > > Get over to ASD. Plenty of pratts over there need a bash:-)) I'm already there but not bashing ;-) Have you had any experience of Garrett Turbos? I'm considering taking out a loan and doing something fecking stupid to my HRV now that i own it ....... yes i think an HRV with 200bhp would be a fecking scream - literally as it's the Vtec :D I know a bloke with around 150bhp and he's hitting 60 in 8.1 seconds, i reckon with 4 wheel drive and 200bhp you'd drop that down to around 6.5 to 7 seconds easily enough! >>>Someone find me an unmotivated T1 to bash about the head please :) >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > hitting 60 in 8.1 seconds, i reckon with 4 wheel drive and 200bhp you'd > drop that down to around 6.5 to 7 seconds easily enough! >>>Someone find me an unmotivated T1 to bash about the head please :) >> >> Get over to ASD. Plenty of pratts over there need a bash:-)) >> > I'm already there but not bashing ;-) I was a bit quick on the old SEND button ther I do believe:-)) Anyway.... > Have you had any experience of Garrett Turbos? Only replacing borked ones, not converting from normally aspirated to turbo, and for a couple of good reasons. I'm considering taking > out a loan and doing something fecking stupid to my HRV now that i own it > ....... yes i think an HRV with 200bhp would be a fecking scream - It wouldn't be bad, but it'll take more than a turbo and a bit of pipework remember. Lowering the compression ratio is a must and that's before you really start. If you don't, you'll be blowing pistons more often than Linda Lovelace. > literally as it's the Vtec :D I know a bloke with around 150bhp and he's > hitting 60 in 8.1 seconds, i reckon with 4 wheel drive and 200bhp you'd > drop that down to around 6.5 to 7 seconds easily enough! It'd do that I reckon, but after the compression dropping exercise, you'll need to look at a decent intercooler and possibly an upgrade to your current injectors, plus a higher capacity fuel pump. We're talking biggish money here, money that's probably better spent on buying a 4X turbo with some REAL horsepower. Your projected loan and the HRV would see one parked in your garage (and useable on the road) a lot sooner too. Boy-chic is just farting about with his EVO at the moment. A new "summat wot deals wi' boost" along with a couple of pretty digital boxes that sit inside the car, a modified ECU, AYC, high capacity fuel pump, dump valve, waste gate and f.ck knows what else. He's currently showing 380bhp at the wheels, but nothing is ever enough is it? His pal has over 700bhp at the wheels of his EVO 8. Mental it is, but at 29 grand spent "under the bonnet", it f.cking well should be. Me?? I'll stick to bikes. I can still outdrag the EVO 8 and I've only got 120 brake at the back wheel. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >>>>Someone find me an unmotivated T1 to bash about the head please :) >>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > some REAL horsepower. Your projected loan and the HRV would see one parked > in your garage (and useable on the road) a lot sooner too. Hmmm you might have a point there. > Boy-chic is just farting about with his EVO at the moment. A new "summat > wot deals wi' boost" along with a couple of pretty digital boxes that sit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > wheels of his EVO 8. Mental it is, but at 29 grand spent "under the > bonnet", it f.cking well should be. Aye programmable mapping and boost controller, you can get them for the VTEC too :) I'll bet it already sounds like a banshee on steroids :-) > Me?? I'll stick to bikes. I can still outdrag the EVO 8 and I've only got > 120 brake at the back wheel. Now if you just lost some of that beavulation from yer midriff you'd be stuffing it with room to spare, mind you, throw in some wet roads and sharp corners and the EVO8 will laugh you into its rear view mirror, hell even my girly 4x4 would do that :) >>>>>Someone find me an unmotivated T1 to bash about the head please :) >>>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Hmmm you might have a point there. Having seen the aggro my son's pal has just experienced AND after spending 29 grand on "work carried out", I know I have. Granted he's got 700+ brake horse power, but it's taken him almost a year of work and the first day out, the clutch exploded when he missed a gearchange. Back to the shop for a sequential change system so he can't do the same thing twice. Another quick 2 grand down the bog IMO, but... not my cash.. On the other side, there's my son. Running a slightly modified Evo 6 which he gets the odd "upgrade" for as he finds them in net-land or at the Jap car shows. He's nudging 400bhp on his now and it's still as reliable as ever and it's not cost him a fortune either, plus he'll get it all back when he flogs the car because the Evo's are bulletproof and modding 'em doesn't appear to affect their re-sale value. Honda make wonderful engines, but they're revvy bastards at the best of time and what THEY need isn't more bhp, it's more torque. Something to spread the power. Something like a.......stroker kit, not a turbo and all it's assoaciated but necessary gubbins. >> Boy-chic is just farting about with his EVO at the moment. A new "summat >> wot deals wi' boost" along with a couple of pretty digital boxes that sit [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Aye programmable mapping and boost controller, you can get them for the > VTEC too :) I'll bet it already sounds like a banshee on steroids :-) The trouble with maps is that unless the map writer has EXACTLY the same set up as you (comp ratio/turbo size and make, boost pressure, injector size and number) your fueling won't be as good as it could be, so that's a trip to the Dyno/rolling road for a session and they don't come cheap. To get a PROPERLY sorted map can easily cost upwards of 300 squid. I think there's a team of guys up in Hull do it, but if not, there's Well Lane in Halifax (or Leeds, I'm buggered if I can remember now) >> Me?? I'll stick to bikes. I can still outdrag the EVO 8 and I've only got >> 120 brake at the back wheel. > > Now if you just lost some of that beavulation from yer midriff you'd be > stuffing it with room to spare, I believe you may have a point :-)) mind you, throw in some wet roads and sharp > corners and the EVO8 will laugh you into its rear view mirror, hell even > my girly 4x4 would do that :) Corners?? I laugh at corners and wet roads? I PISS myself at hem (that's just before I sh.t myself btw:-)) And if you REALLY think bikes are so easy to outdo in the rain, check out "Ghost Rider". He taunts cops driving Volvo T5's, then outruns them. In the rain and on slicks. Yeah!! :-) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >>>>>>Someone find me an unmotivated T1 to bash about the head please :) >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > "Ghost Rider". He taunts cops driving Volvo T5's, then outruns them. In > the rain and on slicks. Yeah!! :-) He has considerably less respect for his life and license than either of us then ;) As well as considerably more ability lol > It would seem that at the moment, the only thing that's sick about me is > my sense of humour and that's always been sick :-) I feel bloody > marvellous in truth. Cool! Glad you've got it sussed. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/76/72Kg |
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