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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / October 2005Vinegar as fungus remedy
The leader of my diabetes support group said she cured her toe fungus by soaking her feet in full strength white vinegar two times for 30 minutes each time. She said it works well on other types of fungus. She was quite thrilled with this newly found, inexpensive remedy. Thought I'd pass it along. > The leader of my diabetes support group said she cured her toe fungus by > soaking her feet in full strength white vinegar two times for 30 minutes > each time. She said it works well on other types of fungus. She was > quite thrilled with this newly found, inexpensive remedy. Thought I'd > pass it along. That doesn't necessarily work and it can dry out the skin very badly. I tried it and it seemed to help, along with another medication, but it needs to be done every day and needs to be continued even after the nails look clear. I made the mistake of not continuing it after my nails cleared and now I can't seem to get rid of it. One foot looks good now but the big toe on the other foot doesn't want to clear up.  SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm > That doesn't necessarily work and it can dry out the skin very badly. I > tried it and it seemed to help, along with another medication, but it needs > to be done every day and needs to be continued even after the nails look > clear. I made the mistake of not continuing it after my nails cleared and > now I can't seem to get rid of it. One foot looks good now but the big toe > on the other foot doesn't want to clear up. Well, thanks for the report, Julie. Sorry to hear this home remedy has its shortcomings. I guess like all things, YMMV. >The leader of my diabetes support group said she cured her toe fungus by >soaking her feet in full strength white vinegar two times for 30 minutes >each time. She said it works well on other types of fungus. She was >quite thrilled with this newly found, inexpensive remedy. Thought I'd >pass it along. I have a nasty case of nail fungus. I asked my podiatrist about dipping one's toes in alcohol, vinegar, hydrogen peroxide, etc to kill bacteria. He said it doesn't work and may cause chemical burns on your feet. Diabetes makes a person very sensitive to all sorts of skin ailments. The only solution for nail fungus is Lamisil tablets. A 28 day supply costs about $300 at walmart. Currently I'm using Penlac, and it does not appear to be working. _____________________________________________ http://wave.prohosting.com/ugleeeee/ Health Diabetic Software - Free Diflucan also works. This discovery was a by-product of using the diflucan for a yeast overgrowth. Nail fungus disappeared also! >>The leader of my diabetes support group said she cured her toe fungus by >>soaking her feet in full strength white vinegar two times for 30 minutes [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > http://wave.prohosting.com/ugleeeee/ > Health Diabetic Software - Free I have had a major problem with fungus. As best I can determine it was as skin break that provided the entry point for the Osteomylitis that took my leg and almost took my life. I never found the "home remedies" of much use in an established infection. The skin thickening is a good culture medium for yeast and fungus. You can kill the fungus but the spores stay and sprout at the first opportunity. Things like Lamisil do inhibit the growth of fungus and the key is to stay on it until there is a change of skin. The problem is that in some people the med has a bad effect on the liver. Some docs consider the cure worse than the fungus. I am currently on Sporanox for an extended period. I know the problems and take the risk. My remaining life span is not that long. The whole story is too long. Talk it over with your doc. I am willing to take some risk since I have had a severe problem. All skin conditions are not fungus. The doc may want to run a culture. Diabetic problems seem to come from every direction. They need more discussion. if we can squeeze it in between arguments. Guy. >Diflucan also works. This discovery was a by-product of using the diflucan >for a yeast overgrowth. Nail fungus disappeared also! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> http://wave.prohosting.com/ugleeeee/ >> Health Diabetic Software - Free I tried many home remedies without success: vinegar, vicks vapor rub, tea tree oil, even clorox soakings. I also did a session using the prescribed pill but it was expensive and I was concerned about the possible side effects. Finally found a home remedy that is working - my big toenail is growing out clear after periodic topical treatment using ethylene glycol. Ethylene glycol penetrates well, is toxic to fungus and only a danger to you if you drink it. I trim back the infected toenail and then soak with glycol. Try wetting some gauze or cotton and put it on your toe. I use athletic tape to hold the gauze in place for an extended soak. I repeat this about every week. >I tried many home remedies without success: vinegar, vicks vapor rub, >tea tree oil, even clorox soakings. I also did a session using the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >tape to hold the gauze in place for an extended soak. I repeat this >about every week. That is antifreeze! Isn't that stuff poisonous? -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Keep George Washington's warning constantly in mind: "Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." I did some research, even looked at material safety data sheets. There appears to be no issue with it touching your skin or known issues with extended contact with your skin. It is poisonous if you drink it because of how your body tries to metabolize it. Mechanics and DIY auto repair people have been getting this stuff on their skin for decades. I found no reference to anyone getting sick unless they drank it. Many topical treatments are really bad for you if you take them orally, but safe when applied on the skin. Antifreeze? unreal. I know it is poisonous if ingested, but I dont know if it is applied topically. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > Antifreeze? unreal. I know it is poisonous if ingested, but I dont know > if it is applied topically. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Just checked my Prestone Antifreeze ethylene glycol container. Of course it's poisonous if ingested and dangerous to your eyes. As for skin, it advises that you "AVOID SKIN CONTACT" and "WASH THOROUGHLY WITH SOAP AND WATER." There was no mention about using it for toe fungus. When we're talking alternative uses for existing products, it's obviously not recommended on the label see comments from CDC http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/MHMI/mmg96.html for risk assessment Health Effects: Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to skin and mucous membranes and is not absorbed well through the skin or by inhalation. Ingestion of ethylene glycol produces CNS depression which may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, and abdominal cramps. Metabolites of ethylene glycol produce severe metabolic acidosis and damage to the brain, heart, and kidneys. Severe poisoning is potentially fatal if treatment is inadequate or delayed. I'm not suggesting it's perfect, but topical use seems to be working for me. It is also less toxic than other home remedies I've tried (chlorine bleach) > When we're talking alternative uses for existing products, it's > obviously not recommended on the label > > see comments from CDC http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/MHMI/mmg96.html for risk > assessment > I'm not suggesting it's perfect, but topical use seems to be working > for me. It is also less toxic than other home remedies I've tried > (chlorine bleach) Well, good luck with the antifreeze treatment, Toddr. Check in with us periodically and let us know how your toe is doing. By the way...I set off alarm bells here when I recommended vinegar. :) >> When we're talking alternative uses for existing products, it's >> obviously not recommended on the label [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Well, good luck with the antifreeze treatment, Toddr. Check in with us >periodically and let us know how your toe is doing. Hmmmm...anti-freeze..I wonder how effective it would be for frozen shoulder? Cheers Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Fungal infections can be a serious problem in diabetics. Many docs are unfit to treat these items. Note more than one item.. Most of the medications noted here have limited use. Fungal infections produce spores that are very difficult to eliminate. You stop the active infection but later it flares up from the spores left in the epidermis. At some stages of age and with chronic illness it become almost impossible to control. The current thinking is to use the newer items and to continue treatment until the contaminated skin is gone. Probably will be months. Then to operate in a mode where you avoid reinfection., Use of common health club equipment and similar items are a common source. One caveat on the newer fungal drugs is that they could cause liver problems in some cases. Use a doc that understands these problems. A doc that rejects these drugs may not be the one to use. The use of the proper doc for a diabetic that takes these things seriously is best. I am calling diabetes a serious rise in blood sugars, without careful care. It is easier to avoid most of the "skin" conditions than to cure them. Diabetics may become very prone to catching them. The newer drugs are not al the same and the doc may be the one to decide in the one to use. Fungus would require a long book to cover the scene but it can give a diabetic a living hell. Guy >>I tried many home remedies without success: vinegar, vicks vapor rub, >>tea tree oil, even clorox soakings. I also did a session using the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >That is antifreeze! Isn't that stuff poisonous? Guy, I found out that my husband had fungus in all of his toes. He went to derm and went on lamisal. It was a few months, but his toes are about ninety five percent clear. His liver functions were fine. He is off it now, and the fungus has not returned. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > I tried many home remedies without success: vinegar, vicks vapor rub, > tea tree oil, even clorox soakings. I also did a session using the > prescribed pill but it was expensive and I was concerned about the > possible side effects. > Finally found a home remedy that is working - my big toenail is growing > out clear after periodic topical treatment using ethylene glycol. > Ethylene glycol penetrates well, is toxic to fungus and only a danger > to you if you drink it. > I trim back the infected toenail and then soak with glycol. Try > wetting some gauze or cotton and put it on your toe. I use athletic > tape to hold the gauze in place for an extended soak. I repeat this > about every week. Reminds me of a skin infection I used to get in hot humid summers on my hands, a kind of tiny blistering which later turned into thickened hardened skin which would peel off in flakes. My doc gave me lots of things for it over the years, most of which didn't work, and none of which worked well. Then I bough a motorcycle, changed the oil, and found the answer! Engine oil! The stuff cleared up so rapidly it was magic! Later it returned and I applied more engine oil with the same magic result. After a few applications of engine oil remedy it went for good. But now I think of it, since that experience I stopped being careful to limit skin contact with machine oils and greases in general, and instead take the opportunity, when oiling a door hinge, bike, lawnmower, etc., to massage some into my hands. That happens a few times a year. So it's possible that I'm keeping that infection at bay, which I'd had since childhood, and got worse in middle age, by these repeated occasional "treatments". This really pisses off some of my women friends, who've spent a fortune massaging expensive cosmetic creams into their hands, and who retreat in horror when they see me massaging filthy oil and grease from their lawnmower into my hands, yet my old hands look a lot younger than their old hands :-) SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in news:3oq1u1F75sfgU1 @individual.net: > This really pisses off some of my women friends, who've spent a > fortune massaging expensive cosmetic creams into their hands, and who > retreat in horror when they see me massaging filthy oil and grease > from their lawnmower into my hands, yet my old hands look a lot > younger than their old hands :-) But isn't there supposed to be some toxin absorbed through the skin on contact with used motor oil? The motor oil sold in the USA carries warnings on the labels not to allow skin to come into contact with it after use. Chak SignatureFirst say to yourself what you would be, then do what you have to do. -- Epictetus > Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in news:3oq1u1F75sfgU1 > @individual.net: >> This really pisses off some of my women friends, who've spent a >> fortune massaging expensive cosmetic creams into their hands, and who >> retreat in horror when they see me massaging filthy oil and grease >> from their lawnmower into my hands, yet my old hands look a lot >> younger than their old hands :-) > But isn't there supposed to be some toxin absorbed through the skin on > contact with used motor oil? The motor oil sold in the USA carries > warnings on the labels not to allow skin to come into contact with it > after use. Yup. So do the oils and greases I buy today. I've still got some thirty year old tins of bearing grease which carry no warnings. Today's do. The grease hasn't changed. What's changed is that today we have ten times as many lawyers and bureaucrats earning livings by scoring points off each other. I might worry about toxins if I worked in a garage with the stuff everyday, but my guess is that, for me, occasional exposure to small doses of toxins, carcinogens, etc., is therapeutic, rather like being exposed to a little dirt or a little alcohol is good for you, and a lot is poisonous. I think a lot of today's product warnings are put there by lawyers as butt-covers in the event of litigation. I'm surprised we're still allowed to use pencils in our office. A friend of mine once poked himself in the eye with a pencil because he got overexcited by the sight of chocolate biscuits on the tea trolley. I'm going to spend the afternoon cleaning and regreasing the wheel and crank bearings on my pedal bike, after which my hands will be as soft as a baby's bottom :-) I'm rather pissed off that this is the first bike I've ever bought new in my life, and it's also the first bike I've had in which the bearings crack up after a few thousand miles. I couldn't even get proper spares for it. "I'm sorry sir, but that bike's more than ten years old. Those parts are no longer made." Cheap modern short-lived crap. My father rode a bicycle which was older than him, and all the bike shops stocked spares for it. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in news:3ostq9F7k5pgU1 @individual.net: > I'm > surprised we're still allowed to use pencils in our office. A friend > of mine once poked himself in the eye with a pencil because he got > overexcited by the sight of chocolate biscuits on the tea trolley. Not only should they eliminate pencils, but also biscuits, chocolate in any form, and tea trolleys. Chak SignatureFirst say to yourself what you would be, then do what you have to do. -- Epictetus >The leader of my diabetes support group said she cured her toe fungus by >soaking her feet in full strength white vinegar two times for 30 minutes >each time. She said it works well on other types of fungus. She was >quite thrilled with this newly found, inexpensive remedy. Thought I'd >pass it along. Urine is the best human anti-fungus around. Just pee in your shower, with the drain stopped. Stand in it every morning (you can do it while showering) and no more Tinea. I heard about this 15 years ago and haven't had a case since. For nail fungus, see your doctor. p.s.: it's free! > Urine is the best human anti-fungus around. Just pee in your shower, > with the drain stopped. Stand in it every morning (you can do it > while showering) and no more Tinea. > I heard about this 15 years ago and haven't had a case since. > For nail fungus, see your doctor. > p.s.: it's free! Thanks for the report. I'd bring this to the attention of the support group in two weeks but we'll be having our annual Potluck. >The leader of my diabetes support group said she cured her toe fungus by >soaking her feet in full strength white vinegar two times for 30 minutes >each time. She said it works well on other types of fungus. She was >quite thrilled with this newly found, inexpensive remedy. Thought I'd >pass it along. It's a weak acid, just like urine. Pick your poison. >>The leader of my diabetes support group said she cured her toe fungus by >>soaking her feet in full strength white vinegar two times for 30 minutes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >It's a weak acid, just like urine. Pick your poison. My answer to all the above is total hubris. If you have nail fungus, the only solution is to use lamisil tablets. I fought the damn thing for the past 18 months using Vicks and Penlac. Nothing got rid of the damn nail fungus. The Penlac did reduce it from 10 toes to 4 toes, but it intensified on both big toes. The fungus actually spread while I used Vicks. I can't stand using lamisil since it supposedly tears up your liver, but it does get rid of the damn nail fungus, plus it costs me a ton of money. Don't waste your time with all these quack voodoo Haiti type methods. > Nothing got rid of the damn nail fungus. I had nail problems for 4 years. Vicks cleared them up, or at least brought them down to a point where I became lax using it. There are most likely multiple kinds of such infection. Don't expect the same treatment to work on all of them. SignatureAnthony said: > A few minutes ago I attempted to give a flying fsck, but the best I > could do was to watch it skitter across the floor. : >The leader of my diabetes support group said she cured her toe fungus by : >soaking her feet in full strength white vinegar two times for 30 minutes : >each time. She said it works well on other types of fungus. She was : >quite thrilled with this newly found, inexpensive remedy. Thought I'd : >pass it along. : It's a weak acid, just like urine. Pick your poison. MY impression is that urine , at lest tht from a dog, is alkiline. I am in charge of the plantings in the pit around the trees in front of my apartment house and our big problem is poeple letting their dogs use these planted areas as dog toilets. I have fount that using a fertilizer for acid loving plants works much better than regular fertilizer as it counteracts the alkilinity of the dog urine. I am not a chemist, not do I play one on TV, but this is what I was told and the solution works. Wendy > : It's a weak acid, just like urine. Pick your poison. > MY impression is that urine , at lest tht from a dog, is alkiline. I am [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Wendy Wendy, Not all dog urine is alkaline. It is a function of the animal's diet and genes. Alkaline urine is more conducive to the production of certain types of bladder stones and changing diet and/or adding supplements such as vitamin C are often done to reduce the occurrence of the stones in a particular dog. Ed P : > : It's a weak acid, just like urine. Pick your poison. : > MY impression is that urine , at lest tht from a dog, is alkiline. I am [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] : > : > Wendy : Wendy, : Not all dog urine is alkaline. It is a function of the animal's diet : and genes. Alkaline urine is more conducive to the production of : certain types of bladder stones and changing diet and/or adding : supplements such as vitamin C are often done to reduce the occurrence of : the stones in a particular dog. : Ed P Well, it certainly eats up the plants in our tree pits and the acidic fertilizer seems to help some. I don' think we have all sick dogs in NYC, but who knows? Wendy > : > : It's a weak acid, just like urine. Pick your poison. > : > MY impression is that urine , at lest tht from a dog, is alkiline. I am [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Wendy I didn't say that no dog urine is alkaline or that the dog had to be sick to have alkaline urine. I only said that not *all* dog urine is alkaline. I have been a dog breeder and have had bladder stone problems in a couple of dogs and have had the opportunity to test various dogs' urine with litmus paper. Some are normally acidic and some are alkaline. I have no idea what the distribution is in canines in general. 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