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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / August 2005Practical and Effective Diabetes Control, Prevention or Cure...
I completely understand the incredible impact of Diabetes on the lives of its victims and their families, but in order to gain victory against it we need to know the truths. Truth #1 is that maintaining good health is critical. I'm sure everyone here can admit that without good health nothing else really matters in life. Truth #2 is that the majority of ravaging illnesses and fatal diseases, including Diabetes, have been scientifically proven to be caused or worsened by poor nutrition. Truth #3 is the "Powers that Be" spend billions of dollars to make us BELIEVE something different so be careful of what's fed to your mind through the media and Internet. #4 is we should NEVER need synthetic and expensive pharmaceuticals (that might help with one issue but cause twenty more at the same time) if we know and ACT on ACCURATE information. Period point blank, everything we need for optimal health and abundant life is right here on earth with us...NATURALLY. I am so amazed at how I have been feeling since I have been faithfully using a product that has been catching a lot of heat from the Powers that be. Why? Because it works, has all natural ingredients and is not "invented" in some lab by pharmaceutical giants. The powers make it extremely difficult to get this and other natural products to those in need. They make it as if everything directly from it's natural source is inadequate or inferior to lab-made products. That takes some nerve. Nevertheless, you can't discredit something that works as told by its users no matter how much money they have or try to do. I ordered and took it for about 5 days before I began to feel very different. I have more energy, am more focused, sleep better, can see clearer, don't eat as much and, pardon my saying so, even have better bowel movements. Needless to say, I am telling everybody I know about this amazing product. There is absolutely no way I will live without taking it as long as this company is in business. I believe you will benefit tremendously as well with general nutrition and in some profound way with your Diabetes. The final truth is that FINALLY we all have access to a product, not driven solely by capital gain, that can actually HELP your body NATURALLY control, prevent or even cure Diabetes and many other physical ailments that we can be victimized by over the course of our lives. I was introduced to this product by a lifelong friend who had been helped in many ways by the product. I went to the site and was blown away by the wealth of accurate and verifiable information. The education I received from this site alone is priceless! If you're tired of your "condition" and ready to do something about it that's simple, effective and cost-effective, then PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do yourself a favor and go to www.ptfapremier.com/diabetes.asp for everything you need to know. You have absolutely nothing to lose but poor health. And after you have taken this product as directed for at least one week, please post back or email me directly and let me know your experience with it. I'm eager to hear your opinions. ;) Best of Health, Darin Miller This post not CC'd by email On 9 Aug 2005 00:21:14 -0700, "Try-nightly" <daring@try-nightlysystems.com> wrote: >#4 is we should NEVER need synthetic and >expensive pharmaceuticals (that might help with one issue but cause >twenty more at the same time) if we know and ACT on ACCURATE >information. What rubbish. If a T1 diabetic was mad enough to give up their engineered insulins and depend on your product they're be in deep doo doo ... then dead. >Period point blank, everything we need for optimal health >and abundant life is right here on earth with us...NATURALLY. There is nothing natural about the chelated chromium and other minerals found in your product. >I am so amazed at how I have been feeling since I have been faithfully >using a product that has been catching a lot of heat from the Powers >that be. "Powers that be." <Chortle> Conspiracy theories are alive and well. Another spammer.  SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > And after you have taken this product as directed for at least one > week, please post back or email me directly and let me know your > experience with it. I'm eager to hear your opinions. ;) Oh my. SPAMMER >I completely understand the incredible impact of Diabetes on the lives > of its victims and their families, but in order to gain victory against [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Darin Miller |I completely understand the incredible impact of Diabetes | Best of Health, stick it UP your a.s! you spamming scum bucket Well said. :-) -- Cheri RK wrote in message ... >stick it UP your a.s! you spamming scum bucket || I completely understand the incredible impact of Diabetes on || the lives of its victims and their families, but in order to [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] || || Darin Miller Lookie a spammer that wants to be a murderer. Signature-- "He who knows most, grieves most for wasted time." -- Max Heindel >I completely understand the incredible impact of Diabetes on the lives >of its victims and their families, but in order to gain victory against [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >ravaging illnesses and fatal diseases, including Diabetes, have been >scientifically proven to be caused or worsened by poor nutrition. worsened yes, caused no. I am type 1. Truth >#3 is the "Powers that Be" spend billions of dollars to make us BELIEVE >something different so be careful of what's fed to your mind through >the media and Internet. not everything is because of an evil conspiracy. #4 is we should NEVER need synthetic and >expensive pharmaceuticals (that might help with one issue but cause >twenty more at the same time) if we know and ACT on ACCURATE >information. Period point blank, everything we need for optimal health >and abundant life is right here on earth with us...NATURALLY. all Lab created pharmaceuticals come from natural ingredients. here comes the scam. >I am so amazed at how I have been feeling since I have been faithfully >using a product that has been catching a lot of heat from the Powers [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >favor and go to www.ptfapremier.com/diabetes.asp for everything you >need to know. You have absolutely nothing to lose but poor health. and any money you have laying around just going to waste. >And after you have taken this product as directed for at least one >week, please post back or email me directly and let me know your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Darin Miller welcome to the FTC and FBI hit list. you're criminal medical fraud and scam are beiung reported to your ISP and the feds. complaints sent to groups-abuse@google.com abuse@rr.com UCE@FTC.GOV OrgName: Road Runner OrgID: RRMA Address: 13241 Woodland Park Road City: Herndon StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20171 Country: US ReferralServer: rwhois://ipmt.rr.com:4321 NetRange: 65.24.0.0 - 65.27.255.255 CIDR: 65.24.0.0/14 NetName: ROADRUNNER-CENTRAL NetHandle: NET-65-24-0-0-1 Parent: NET-65-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: DNS1.RR.COM NameServer: DNS2.RR.COM NameServer: DNS3.RR.COM NameServer: DNS4.RR.COM Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE RegDate: 2000-08-22 Updated: 2002-08-14 TechHandle: ZS30-ARIN TechName: ServiceCo LLC TechPhone: +1-703-345-3416 TechEmail: abuse@rr.com OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE10-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Abuse OrgAbusePhone: +1-703-345-3416 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@rr.com OrgTechHandle: IPTEC-ARIN OrgTechName: IP Tech OrgTechPhone: +1-703-345-3416 OrgTechEmail: abuse@rr.com ptfapremier.com Certified Offer Service - Make an offer on this domain Backorder - Try to get this name when it becomes available SSL Certificates - Make this site secure Site Confirm Seals - Become a trusted Web Site ptfapremier.com Registrant: Domain Registrar (srsplus@newextensions.com) Dollar Domain Name Inc 270-4611 Viking Way Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 CA 604-606-7879 Domain Name: ptfapremier.com Administrative, Technical, Billing Contact: Domain Registrar (srsplus@newextensions.com) Dollar Domain Name Inc 270-4611 Viking Way Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 CA 604-606-7879 Record created on Dec 9 2003. Record expires on Dec 9 2005. Domain servers: ns1.maximumasp.com ns2.maximumasp.com Domain Service Provider: Dollar Domain Name Inc The previous information has been obtained either directly from the registrant or a registrar of the domain name other than Network Solutions. Network Solutions, therefore, does not guarantee its accuracy or completeness. Show underlying registry data for this record Current Registrar: TLDS, LLC DBA SRSPLUS IP Address: 69.2.203.8 (ARIN & RIPE IP search) IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-KENTUCKY-LOUISVILLE Record Type: Domain Name Server Type: IIS 6 Lock Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK Web Site Status: Active DMOZ no listings Y! Directory: see listings Secure: No E-commerce: No Traffic Ranking: Not available Data as of: 21-Jun-2004 How are you going to have the nerve to call me a spammer and a murderer? Nothing I mentioned in the message above is spam or telling you to stop taking your doctor prescribed medical treatments. Nothing in the message warrants FTC action. You sound like an idiot for stating that. I figured that if there's something out there that can help you reduce that burden, you would be wise and receptive enough to want to know about it and maybe try it out. I was trying to help you all based on the experiences of many people close to me with Diabetes, including my 84 year old grandfather who I bought them for. He was taking insulin shots daily and now he's down to pills and hopefully won't need those soon either as his body slowly balances out. The site I referred you to is the place where me and everyone else I know personally orders them from. They have nothing to do with what I posted. All of you who came back at me with that BS ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Your shallowness and closed mind will be your own demise. Just continue doing what you're doing. I couldn't care less. And am I supposed to be afraid that you can pull ISP, DNS, hosting and other technical data? Well so can we. You can be tracked and traced as well and have been in a matter of seconds with one phone call. I happen to own a prominent biometric technology and IT company and have some of the most prominent technical minds in the world on staff and on my Board. I also have a lot of friends in high places and I sit on several govt committees with people you only hear about on TV. The Pentagon, FBI, DOD, and other agencies happen to be my clients and I have friends at the FTC and other agencies as well. Oh and I also have a Senator for an uncle. They will laugh at an honest gesture to offer help with your medical conditions and many other issues based on my personal experiences flipped into something sinister by you. Ma¢k, don't think that you can try to make my life hell when I had honest and helpful intentions. Be careful of who you threaten and try to flex muscle with or your plan will backfire in your face. I better not receive one phone call or inconvenience or anything that can blemish my reputation, business or lifestyle because of your gigantic idiot complex or your life and the lives of those close to you could be made miserable FAR beyond your comprehension. Ungrateful pricks. Darin Miller >How are you going to have the nerve to call me a spammer and a >murderer? Nothing I mentioned in the message above is spam or telling [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >Darin Miller threats over a public communication system such as the internet are considered felonies in the USA. this threat to my life and the lives of friends and family is being forwarded to the appropriate authorities as well. Mâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. Absolutely incredible! I made no threat to your life or the lives of your family. I have more important things to do than waste my time pursuing someone like you or even risking my freedom for an evil individual. YOU made the threat, falsely accused me of something I didn't do and forwarded my information to the authorities without just cause to bring me trouble. You were the only person that responded in that extreme fashion. I see you like to make a habit out of twisting and distorting things that people say. I understand exactly what type of person you are and what type of life that you live. I've dealt with your kind before and would rather stay away from poison. I'm willing to bet my life that you get some sort of sadistic satisfaction making trouble for people. You reap what you sow. You should find something else to occupy your time with other than trying to bring hardship and trouble to innocent people trying to honestly help others. The product MAY have made a difference in your life as a Diabetic. If not, you could have just gotten your money back. And you think you're doing the group a service? Idiots shouldn't be allowed online. No wonder you mask who you are in every way, or so you think. Keep up the good work. | Absolutely incredible! yah you really are... to have the BALLS to come here with that scam shiat... you really must have sheet for brains.. or did your momma drop you on your head as a baby? don't bother to answer I don't care... you're a utter idiot. Oh listen, you're village is calling you home... they miss the village idiot. The product MAY have made a difference in your | life as a Diabetic. If not, you could have just gotten your money back. BOY! are you really ever stupid... yep, momma dropped you on your head.. hmm or did daddy drop kick you to knock the sheet from between your ears? How stupid are you to think that a T1 who is insulin dependant would be helped by this product? Sure Sure.. what you stated is incorrect and warrents the FTC to get involved because you just told a T1 to get off their insulin and move to pills and take this "wonderful" product just like your grandpappy did... you retard! T1's will DIE without insulin,... we're SKINNY! we MAKE NO INSULIN.. ZERO, ZILTCH.. NADA you scum sucking dirt bag... now piss off and don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya! | Keep up the good work. >Keep up the good work. how's the weather in Reynoldsburg Ohio? Is Huber Park open to the public with trails and such or does it have picnic areas and ball fields? East Main Street to Haft then hang a right and your just down the street. idiot. Mâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. cc'd by email Look fuckwit what part of "Take your scam and f.ck OFF" don't you understand? > Absolutely incredible! I made no threat to your life or the lives of > your family. I have more important things to do than waste my time [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Keep up the good work. Signature"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present" Glen Cook > >How are you going to have the nerve to call me a spammer and a > >murderer? Nothing I mentioned in the message above is spam or telling [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > Jesus never hated anyone. They are also a crime in Canada. This falls under the jurisdiction of the Vancouver police. Email all relavent information to vpd@vancouver.ca Vicki Ok. Ok. Wow! You guys win. I see this thing will just go on and on like a festering wound so I'll bow out gracefully. I was really only trying to help make your lives easier based on what I've heard from a few Diabetics. Better nutrition = better health...period. It's not a miracle pill or drug, just a really well made vitamin/mineral/enzyme/probiotic blend that I can personally vouch for. I apologize if I seemed insensitive to your disease but I never said it will absolutely cure Diabetes. Obviously you need your insulin to survive but there is nothing wrong with a better quality of life and better health for you if it were possible to reduce your dependency of the drug. It's obvious that you all stick together like glue in this group. You all teamed up on me like I'm a terrorist or something. Again, I apologize to you all except RK because that was just ridiculous and uncalled for to speak of my parents in that fashion because of newsgroup posts. That was completely uncool. That's an awful lot of hostility from one person. Langerhans, putting my domain info up there was overkill also and to set the record straight I never said I stumbled upon anything. I said that's the site me and everyone I know order the vitamins from. I simply built that site for myself, friends and family to easily order and reorder their vitamins and for anyone else that wanted to educate themselves about it and try the product. Also, that site is seperate from the MLM opportunity (PTFA Program) which is not illegal as you say. And I was not obviously in this for the money like you make it seem or else there would have been a lot more messages out there about it. I dedicate my revenue generation to other things. I never expected it to be blown out of proportion like it was and I wish you all the best of health and a long life. Darin > Ok. Ok. Wow! You guys win. <snip> > > Langerhans, putting my domain info up there was overkill ...<snip> > > Darin Darin, you, like all spammers and scammers, seem to be pretty good at rationalizing your actions after the fact. I only published information that is in the public record, and easily available on the internet to those who know how to find it. I withheld the satellite photos of your home, and the license plate of the car you drive. We will monitor your future posts to other groups, and if you repeat your reprehensible attempts to sell snakeoil to sick people, all the important friends you think you have won't save you from additional legal measures. "Get thee forth and don't try this sh.t again." (Langerhans 1:1) >> Ok. Ok. Wow! You guys win. <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >"Get thee forth and don't try this sh.t again." (Langerhans 1:1) Diabetics did not win a thing.. They lose all of the time due to the Life Boat effect". The price of life boats soar in a flood. Triniti wrote in message >It's obvious that you all stick together like glue in this group. You >all teamed up on me like I'm a terrorist or something. > LOL,you obviously don't monitor the group often do you, but we're pretty much united against spammers, and terrorism comes in many forms. >Langerhans, putting my domain info up there was overkill also and to >set the record straight I never said I stumbled upon anything. I said Gotta love that girl for that! >Again, I apologize to you all except RK because that was just ridiculous and uncalled for to speak of my parents in that fashion Gotta love that girl for that! Cheri >Ok. Ok. Wow! You guys win. I see this thing will just go on and on like >a festering wound so I'll bow out gracefully. I was really only trying [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >and reorder their vitamins and for anyone else that wanted to educate >themselves about it and try the product. and here you admit your scam involvement. Also, that site is seperate >from the MLM opportunity (PTFA Program) which is not illegal as you >say. And I was not obviously in this for the money like you make it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Darin then we should not be seeing any more scam posts from you in the future. SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. This post not CC'd by email On 9 Aug 2005 21:32:00 -0700, "Try nighty" <darin@try nightyisystems.com> wrote: >I also have a lot of friends in high places and I sit on several >govt committees with people you only hear about on TV. The Pentagon, >FBI, DOD, and other agencies happen to be my clients and I have friends >at the FTC and other agencies as well. Oh and I also have a Senator for >an uncle. G'day G'day Folks, One aspect that is common place amongst liars is sequential incongruity. They have learnt to say things that sound impressive in themselves but contradict positions previously held. In the above passage the writer claims to be connected to The Powers that Be. In his opening spam he warns us about the heat he has been taking from The Powers that Be. >I am so amazed at how I have been feeling since I have been faithfully >using a product that has been catching a lot of heat from the Powers >that be. One has to laugh at how he connects and disconnects himself from authority as it suits his nefarious purposes. SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:42:45 +1200, Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >This post not CC'd by email > On 9 Aug 2005 21:32:00 -0700, "Try nighty" [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >One has to laugh at how he connects and disconnects himself from >authority as it suits his nefarious purposes. he can't even remember which lies he's told and when, he's lied so often. send all complaints about his abuse of the newsgroup to abuse@rr.com and groups-abuse@google.com to help him move along. Mâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. <snip> > he can't even remember which lies he's told and when, he's lied so > often. He's destined for political office! c > send all complaints about his abuse of the newsgroup to abuse@rr.com > and groups-abuse@google.com to help him move along. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Jesus never hated anyone. Heck yeah, maybe even the presidency, especially with all those fine connections. ;-) -- Cheri ><snip> >> >> he can't even remember which lies he's told and when, he's lied so >> often. Colleen wrote in message ... >He's destined for political office! >c [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> Jesus never hated anyone. > How are you going to have the nerve to call me a spammer and a > murderer? Nothing I mentioned in the message above is spam or telling [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Darin Miller Commercial posts are a violation of the charter of this newsgroup. Period. That makes you a spammer. The product you are spamming is a MLM scam. BTW, I'm not Mack, but I just love a challenge by an arrogant scamming and spamming a.shole who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Let's have a short class project. All posters to this group are invited to join in the fun. Let's all call Darin's bluff. Since his original post is prohibited by the Charter, he has violated his ISP's TOS and AUP. Complaints to abuse@rr.com Since Darin used google to post to the NG, complaints to groups-abuse@google.com Since Darin made threats in his follow-up post, complaints for that to the above plus abuse@ss.dhls.gov because posting threats is handled by the wire fraud section of the Secret Service, now part of Dept of Homeland Security. Since Darin apparently will profit from his scam, and the efficacy of his vitamins is unproven, complaints to Dana Netherton at the FTC via uce@ftc.gov . A good 20 or 30 complaints will surely gain enough attention for Dana to start an investigation. Depending on the results of the investigation, the FTC will surely report to the Attorney General. Make sure to remind Dana that Darin does business with lots of government agencies, and may have had to pass various security checks. The folks at the GSA love to pad their files on approved vendors, too. Since Darin is located in Ohio, where Jim Petro is the AG, complaints to http://www.ag.state.oh.us/contact/inquiry.asp . Since making threats on the internet violates Ohio Statutes, don't forget to mention that, too. I don't suppose a complaint to the Ohio Department of Taxation would take much time either. taxenforcement@tax.state.oh.us for that one. Aren't we having fun now! First, who is Darin? Registrant: Darin Miller (darin@trinitisystems.com) Triniti Biometric Technologies Ltd. 7078 Golding Dr. Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 US +1.6148381234 Next, where is Darin's domain registered? Registrant: Domain Registrar (srsplus@newextensions.com) Dollar Domain Name Inc 270-4611 Viking Way Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 CA 604-606-7879 Who hosts Darin's website? Domain servers: ns1.maximumasp.com ns2.maximumasp.com What can we find out about his hosting ISP? Domain Name: MAXIMUMASP.COM Administrative Contact , Technical Contact : MaximumASP domainreg@maximumasp.com 2303 River Road Suite 300 Louisville, KY 40206 US Phone: 502-899-3220 Fax: 502-899-3155 What ISP did Darin use to post his scam/spam message, trying to advertise his unproven miracle cure? 65.25.71.155 Record Type: IP Address OrgName: Road Runner Now let's look at the same information for the website he is shilling for. Oh, my goodness! The ptfapremier.com site that he "discovered" is registered by the same registrar: ptfapremier.com Registrant: Domain Registrar (srsplus@newextensions.com) Dollar Domain Name Inc 270-4611 Viking Way Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 CA 604-606-7879 And the site that he just stumbled across just happens to be hosted by the same company as his corporate site: Domain servers: ns1.maximumasp.com ns2.maximumasp.com It appears that Darin is a "Christian" spammer/scammer. PFTA stands for Prosperity through Faith and Action! Their Motto is "For where two or three come together in MY name, there an I with them (Matthew 18:20)" I'm sure Matthew would be so proud. Of course, Darin wants to cut you in on the profits from his MLM scheme ( as long as he gets *his* first.): "The Greatest Vitamin In The World will pay you $1000 up front or up to $200 a month for the rest of your life every single time you get just 20 new people to try our amazing vitamin! As an Independent Advertiser of our company, the money we pay you is just crazy! For just $35, you can get completely signed up today! Each week we pay you on all the revenue earned the week prior! This is the easiest way in the world to start generating $1000 checks over and over again!" So, for only $35 up front, and breaking 20 friendships per month, Darin promises a statistically improbable return of $200/mo or $1000. Perhaps, Darin's middle name is Ponzi? What are Darin's vitamins used to treat? According to the website they claim that they treat: Stress Blood Sugar & Diabetes Digestion & Indigestion Eyesight Arthritis & Joint Pain Weight Loss Sleep Stroke Energy Heart Disease & Cholesterol Anti-Aging Bones Immune System Depression Memory Acne/Skin Cancer Kidney & Liver Men's Health Women's Health If only Darin had added Athlete's Foot, I'm sure the Nobel Committee would be taking notice. So, let's all have some fun, and see if Darin is as important as he claims. Then we can go after his important friends, too. Of course, by then they will probably disavow any knowledge of him. Lastly, let's not forget the media. Ron Carter is the Business Editor at the Columbus Dispatch rcarter@dispatch.com . "Local man scams sick people" Might make a good story. This can be really, really fun. Unless, of course, Darin crawls back under his rock. Good. Another Charles Evans. Thanks for the info. -- Cheri >Commercial posts are a violation of the charter of this newsgroup. >Period. That makes you a spammer. The product you are spamming is a MLM [quoted text clipped - 158 lines] >This can be really, really fun. Unless, of course, Darin crawls back >under his rock. being called another Charles Evans isn't necessarily a good thing Mack would be a better choice... Mack hasn't stalked any of the women in asd that i'm aware of.... nor made untoward remarks about their life style i think this poster knows more about Charles Evans than you might Cheri kate > Good. Another Charles Evans. Thanks for the info. > [quoted text clipped - 169 lines] > >This can be really, really fun. Unless, of course, Darin crawls back > >under his rock. I'm only talking about his computer skills Kate. I'm well aware of the other stuff, cause I was here and went a round or two with him myself at times, but he did have wonderful computer skills. :-) -- Cheri >being called another Charles Evans isn't >necessarily a good thing >being called another Charles Evans isn't >necessarily a good thing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >kate Charles crossed the line and did that? To legit posters? I was only aware of his pursuit of spammers/scammers regardless of gender. Well it's not something that will happen again. And it's not something this group would ever approve of. SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. I know for a fact he did it to at least two posters who I won't name because they haven't been posting lately, but I know if they were posting right now, they would tell you he gave them a pretty bad time with divulging personal information. We had a bit of a go round in private email, but straightened it out. He answered a lot of questions for me and I appreciated him a lot in many areas. -- Cheri Ma¢k wrote in message ... >>being called another Charles Evans isn't >>necessarily a good thing [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >Jesus never hated anyone. >>being called another Charles Evans isn't >>necessarily a good thing [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >it's not something that will happen again. And it's not something >this group would ever approve of. I do know that Charles had the resources to find out a lot about people. I saw the alleged incident quite differently. Personally I make no effort to follow people but there have been here in other cases. here it was done. You are what you post here except in a few gross cases where threats were implied. I remember the Los Vegas case and I do know he was upset by some responses. Somehow I missed the problem. I read the post by him as a positive comment. Some here do not know how easy it is to find out about most people. I have nothing to hide. just a hick living near some cotton fields. I think Charles Evans was a computer expert that handled the legal documents on an Alaska oil spill. He was retired and had some form of legal document business that he turned over to his son. I was invited to his home but I was unable to travel there He treated me great but there was no special reason. I am currently using a vaculance he gave me.. Having friends is a big part of my life. The help since I had after heart surgery .was/is great . Guy I remember the Las Vegas incident, but that was more that she was upset because he posted personal info on her, even though it was positive, he put links to a picture of her in her entertainment outfit and told her story. He really shouldn't have done that without her permission, and she was justified in being angry. It's not a question of having anything to hide, it's a question of "you don't expect that from a regular poster that you may have shared some details of your life with" and if you want that kind of information out there, you'll put it there yourself. Many posters email each other in private, does that give any of them the right to post private things about another poster just because they happen to know them? I think not. YMMV :-) -- Cheri Guys wrote in message ... >I remember the Los Vegas case and I do know > he was upset by some responses. Somehow I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >about most people. I have nothing to hide. just >a hick living near some cotton fields. =---- |I remember the Las Vegas incident, but that was more that she was upset | because he posted personal info on her, even though it was positive, he [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | -- | Cheri I only know from what others told me about him and the "stalking" he was accused of doing... I also know that a few of those same ppl who told me all about Charles also had many skeletons in their closets as well and were far from pure in their talking about others behind their backs and snide remarks... I can only speculate after careful thinking and the way Charles treated me, that he was a man who was a big flirt and some women just didn't know how to handle him... he tried with me, and I put him in his place and we remained wonderful friends until the day he passed. Reisa... | Guys wrote in message ... | [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | > | =---- I must admit that I have learned a LOT from the participants of this group. I feel a strong sense of comradery and history from you all that spills out into the real world beyond the groups. I'm impressed and have a new level of respect for you all as well. The defense against outsiders, although overboard at times, makes sense to me now. You must also believe that everyone that passes through is not the enemy. They may just not understand the rules of the game but are quick learners. RK, be careful of what you say to people because it can really hurt them more than you know. Maybe It's because I'm getting more sensitive as I get older. Could be true because I do find myself watching more Dramas now and actually feeling it. My dad never wanted me all my life and I will be 33 soon with 4 kids of my own. I never could understand why. It was just me, my mom and my baby brother as long as I could remember. For some odd reason it still really hurts me deep to this day and I'm a grown man. And as crazy as it sounds, the thought of getting "drop-kicked" by him doesn't sound too bad. At least he would have been around and at least he could have redeemed himself and got himself together to do right and teach me how to be a man and father. Instead I had to rely on life to show it all to me. Unfortunatley I'm learning the hard way but at least I'm learning. I now use the pain and anger I feel to my advantage as fuel for my relentless pursuit to succeed and help people whenever I can. After all, we only get one lap around the track. Nevertheless, if there is anything that you think I may be able to help you guys with in anyway, please don't hesitate to ask. You all have access to my information now. ;) Darin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Some things are true whether you believe them or not." Nicholas Cage (City of Angels) >My dad never wanted me all my life and I will be 33 soon with 4 kids of >my own. I never could understand why. >Darin >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ you turned out to be a scamming spammer and you are dumb enough to ask that question? Maybe your dad had a gut feeling where your life was headed. >|I remember the Las Vegas incident, but that was more that she was >| upset because he posted personal info on her, even though it was >| positive, he put links to a picture of her in her entertainment >| outfit and told her story. He really shouldn't have done that >| without her permission, and she was justified in being angry. It's >| not a question of having anything to hide, it's a question of "you >| don't expect that from a regular poster that you may have shared >| some details of your life with" and if you want that kind of >| information out there, you'll put it there yourself. Many posters >| email each other in private, does that give any of them the right to >| post private things about another poster just because they happen to >| know them? I think not. YMMV :-) Charles wasn't greatly liked but he did what HE thought was the right thing re spammers etc. Bottom line, he was very generous to those in need, in more ways than financially. Like everyone else he had faults, he was a large as life character but he is dead and I'd like to think we aren't in the habit of bagging the dead. But everyone is certainly free to talk of him as they wish, just my opinion here. I certainly wasn't bagging the dead. I was answering Guys post about the Las Vegas thing. I had no problem whatsoever with Charles, and I liked him a great deal. -- Cheri Ozgirl wrote in message <2JPKe.81286$oJ.54955@news-server.bigpond.net.au>... >>|I remember the Las Vegas incident, but that was more that >she was [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >the habit of bagging the dead. But everyone is certainly >free to talk of him as they wish, just my opinion here. > I certainly wasn't bagging the dead. I was answering Guys post about > the Las Vegas thing. I had no problem whatsoever with Charles, and I > liked him a great deal. Sorry Cheri, I snipped the wrong paragraph, didn't mean to sound like I was talking about you ;) I had major problems with Charles but strangely we came together at the end, wonder if he had a feeling his time was up... No Jan, I never thought you meant me, just wanted everyone to know that I wasn't being disrespectful to Charles' memory. Even if I didn't like him, which I did after I got to know him, I wouldn't beat up a dead man. ;-) -- Cheri Ozgirl wrote in message ... >>Sorry Cheri, I snipped the wrong paragraph, didn't mean to >sound like I was talking about you ;) I had major problems >with Charles but strangely we came together at the end, >wonder if he had a feeling his time was up... lots of great stuff snipped. > This can be really, really fun. Unless, of course, Darin crawls back under > his rock. Wow, you rock. Remind me never to get on your bad side (g). Rioch Stuff I'm not going to bother repeating here -- it's in the original post for this thread and the post I'm replying to directly here. The thing I find funny, in a rhetorical way, is "Triniti" first writing, in his original post, about "The Powers That Be" or some such. That we're not supposed to trust them. That they don't have our best interests at heart. Then when Mack has a typical (for Mack) reaction, "Triniti" THEN says he owns a biotechnology firm, his client list ranges from the Pentagon to the FBI AND his Uncle is a Senator! The only way "Triniti" would be even more embedded into the Establishment/"Powers That Be" is if he went through Yale and was in Skull and Bones with G.W. Either way, I don't trust "Triniti" for more than a laugh, and a tear for the fate of those who swallow his bilge. Robert Leone (not that Robert Leone, the other Robert Leone, in case you're looking for me) rleone@hotmail.com I can only say that I went to the web site that triniti posted. and found Gymnema sylvestre, I could not find any trustworthy site that mentions it or that it has even been studied. are there studies out there for this - I have not found them. all I have found are sites that sell it. I searched a few trustworthy diabetic sites and found no mention of this herb or drug what ever. so I am not taking it - and so far would have to agree with rleone. SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index Chat Live with Mr. Gantlet http://profiles.yahoo.com/mrgantlet911 > Stuff I'm not going to bother repeating here -- it's in the original > post for this thread and the post I'm replying to directly here. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Robert Leone (not that Robert Leone, the other Robert Leone, in case > you're looking for me) rleone@hotmail.com It would be great if a vitamin pill could help diabetes, but many "vitamin pills" are "dead" isolated chemicals that are just not as effective as the nutrients from real (raw) "live" food, especially green, leafy and bright-colored vegetables such as broccoli, Brussel sprouts, spinach, kale, cauliflower, peppers, barley sprouts, mushrooms, garlic, onions, etc. Maybe your pill is different, but . . . Other key foods/nutrients that (Type 2) diabetics and others with similar systemic ailments lack include: Omega-3 and monounsaturated fats (wild salmon, extra virgin olive oil, flaxseed) -- these fats reduce the inflammation caused by the high glucose and insulin levels; and they eventually help to metabolize the "old" fat in the body when combined with the following: -- Consistent exercise (esp. weight-resistance to increase glucose uptake and lower the sugar level in the body). -- Other key foods include: filtered water (no tap water); lean protein (esp. fish, beans, legumes, nuts, seeds); some organic whole grains (avoid wheat products for the first 4-6 weeks); some tart fruits; and, raw vegetable juices. Raw juicing accelerates the healing mechanism within the body. These foods help (Type 2) diabetics because they address the 2 primary root causes for disease: "sick" cells that lack nutrients (nutrient deficiency) and cells that are full of toxins (from the refined, processed "dead" foods). A "dead" pill cannot remove these toxins or reverse the effects of insulin resistance, the "heart" of the disease known as Type 2 diabetes. Other key elements for controlling and even reversing diabetes include: -- Blood glucose testing (I tested 8-12 times a day initially to develop my nutritional profile) - this is the real key to enable blood glucose analysis and determine your corrective actions! -- Exercise (must be consistent and include weight-resistance to increase glucose uptake); knowledge/education (this is the real key that will set your free) -- Cleansing/detox helps to remove all the acid waste, toxins that have accumulated in the body. Raw juicing helps to cleanse and accelerate the healing process. -- Support system -- Spirit/Faith, belief system --> a POSITIVE attitude -- Regular doctor visits, exams Another key point is that everyone can control their diabetes better but not everyone will be able to effectively and fully reverse their (Type 2) diabetes. It depends on several other factors including: length of time with diabetes, motivation/drive, knowledge, attitude, length of time taking drugs/medications, age, etc. Question: Do you know the real key to beating diabetes and other systemic, degenerative diseases? Answer: KNOWLEDGE, lots of knowledge . . . Sincerely, Engineer@DeathToDiabetes.com www.deathtodiabetes.blogspot.com |
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