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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / August 2005What I ate today 7/29
I dont know if anyone wants to continue this. Let me know, I am willing so I wil start Breakfast before breakfast 104 egg and tuna mixed on one sliced low carb bread two ounces of potato salad two hours later 94 snack three ounces yogurt lunch three ounces skirt steak 3/4 cup of pasta mixed vegetables snack fruit dinner subway one half bag small of baked lays some ice cream Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. B:1/2 Pita bread stuffed with tomato, onion, and lettuce. Coffee with 1 TBS cream. Snack sugar free Jello. L: 2 Oscar Mayer cheese hot dogs, no buns. 1/2 cup LF cottage cheese. 1 slice cantaloupe. -- Cheri Loretta Eisenberg wrote in message <23312-42EA7145-597@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>... I dont know if anyone wants to continue this. Let me know, I am willing so I wil start Breakfast before breakfast 104 egg and tuna mixed on one sliced low carb bread two ounces of potato salad two hours later 94 snack three ounces yogurt lunch three ounces skirt steak 3/4 cup of pasta mixed vegetables snack fruit dinner subway one half bag small of baked lays some ice cream Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >I dont know if anyone wants to continue this. Let me know, I am willing >so I wil start I'm reading every post, and I'll make my own today as soon as I have a dinner to report. >Breakfast >before breakfast 104 > >egg and tuna mixed on one sliced low carb bread >two ounces of potato salad >two hours later 94 >snack >three ounces yogurt Yogurt? Is this some special type of yogurt? I had some Yoplait yogurt (from pre-dignosis) and looked at the info, and it's loaded with sugar. I can't say exactly as I don't have it anymore (I've been giving a lot of my pre-diagnosis food away) but it was high. >lunch > >three ounces skirt steak >3/4 cup of pasta >mixed vegetables >snack >fruit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >subway >one half bag small of baked lays Potato chips?!?!!? Subway sandwich?? (did you eat the bread?) >some ice cream Please don't take this as criticism, it's not, I'm just perplexed; This diet works for you??? Your BG's sure indicate it does, but the above has loads of white flour and sugar and potatoes. I'm astonished. > Yogurt? Is this some special type of yogurt? I had some Yoplait yogurt > (from pre-dignosis) and looked at the info, and it's loaded with > sugar. I can't say exactly as I don't have it anymore (I've been > giving a lot of my pre-diagnosis food away) but it was high. All yogurt will include under sugars the lactose in the milk it's fermented from. However, it seems that the process of yogurtifying it consumes some of the lactose. That said, your Yoplait probably had all sorts of additional sugar in it, in the form of high fructose corn syrup. When I eat yogurt, I eat Stoneyfield Farms whole milk plain yogurt. I eat a small amount, and sweeten it with Splenda or something sweetened with Splenda ("cordial" syrup or jam).  SignatureAF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball Well, I've been experimenting, and today for the first time post-diagnosis I had meals that were not almost entirely steamed veg and tofu. Breakfast; one egg plus some tofu omelette, with spinach, dill, cilantro, asparagus, and anaheim peppers, plus a pinch of sharp cheddar cheese. Half a teaspoon of canola oil to cook it. Raw Broccoli. 2 raw almonds. Snack; Pickle. Lunch; Steamed mixed veg (red and orange peppers, spinach, cilantro, broccoli, asparagus, zucchini.) 1 small low fat low sodium turkey sausage patty (50 calories) diced into the veg, served with a dash of mongolian fire oil. 1 Avocado (very small, under an inch and a half with a large pit) Snack; pickle, diet coke. Dinner; Salad; Lettuce, Belgian endive, celery, cucumber, 2 almonds, slivered. With a dash of Italian dressing (mainly vinegar, olive oil, and herbs) Stir fry! Broccoli, bean sprouts, Celery, Asparagus, orange bell peppers, mustard greens, loads of herbs, chinese five-spice, and four strips (about three ounces total, uncooked.) of Fajita beef. Cooked with a dash of low-sodium soy sauce and Sesame oil, plus a dash of Chili oil. Desert; Diet coke. Before-bed snack (planned); 12 peanuts, 1 whole-wheat tortilla chip. So far, so good on the BG's... This day has been a real taste treat for me! As time goes on you'll be confident of adding more and varied items to your menu. Even some of the verbotten ones that are in the right portion. About the only ones I still can't do are white rice and regular pasta. SignatureColleen "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." G.W. Bush Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 > Well, I've been experimenting, and today for the first time > post-diagnosis I had meals that were not almost entirely steamed veg [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > So far, so good on the BG's... This day has been a real taste treat > for me! >As time goes on you'll be confident of adding more and varied items to your >menu. Did you see my menu posted here in this thread? Compared to previous days it's totally varied (and utterly delicious!) > About >the only ones I still can't do are white rice and regular pasta. I'll probably never even try those, as I don't like either one. :-) When I did eat rice, it was wild rice or brown, if I had a choice. > When I did eat rice, it was wild rice or brown, if I had a choice. Wild rice is worth trying again, in time - it's OK for me, just not my wallet : ) Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/76/72Kg And it will keep getting more interesting as you go along. You have a plus on your side in that you already like most of the safe foods and you know how to cook. That gives you much more control of the meals and their portions and content. SignatureColleen "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." G.W. Bush Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 > As time goes on you'll be confident of adding more and varied items to > your menu. Even some of the verbotten ones that are in the right portion. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> So far, so good on the BG's... This day has been a real taste treat >> for me! >And it will keep getting more interesting as you go along. You have a plus >on your side in that you already like most of the safe foods and you know >how to cook. That gives you much more control of the meals and their >portions and content. One thing I've realized is that I'm going to be doing (no way to avoid it) a LOT more cooking! :-) Pre-dignosis, I only cooked a few times a week. Other times, I'd have something out of a can or TV dinner or similar. I live alone and have a job with unpredictable hours, so the convenience was the big attraction. There is a big health-food store in the area that I want to have a look at and see if they have any "convenience foods" that are acceptable (for later, not right now). I'm also going to make up some home made "TV dinners" by making large batches of (healthy!) main courses and freezing them in individual servings (I used to do that occasionally pre-diagnosis, so I know how). > And it will keep getting more interesting as you go along. You have a plus > on your side in that you already like most of the safe foods and you know > how to cook. That gives you much more control of the meals and their > portions and content. Would suggest a food scale if you truly want to control your portions (ie control the amount you are eating). In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >served with a dash of mongolian fire oil. Sounds dangerous - like one of my homegrown tiny chilis. Looks like an excellent menu - keep experimenting. Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>served with a dash of mongolian fire oil. > >Sounds dangerous - like one of my homegrown tiny chilis. It's a bottled seasoning oil, chili oils, garlic oil, and sesame oil. Hot and tasty, good fats, no carbs, and due to the tiny amounts used not a calorie concern. >Looks like an excellent menu - keep experimenting. Thanks!! I will. >>snack >>three ounces yogurt [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >sugar. I can't say exactly as I don't have it anymore (I've been >giving a lot of my pre-diagnosis food away) but it was high. I get Dannon Natural Plain Yogurt (and make my own from that) and mix it with berries. It's very refreshing in these hot summer months and hardly effects my readings at all. :-) July Goals: BGL normal range; Not hungry, don't eat Weight: 21 pounds gone (whoop!) Measurements: 8 inches gone 06/19/2005 Cholesterol: 145 FBG: <100 since 07/01/2005 A1c 6.8! > Yogurt? Is this some special type of yogurt? I had some Yoplait yogurt > (from pre-dignosis) and looked at the info, and it's loaded with > sugar. I can't say exactly as I don't have it anymore (I've been > giving a lot of my pre-diagnosis food away) but it was high. Stonyfield Farm plain whole milk yogurt has no carbs; I'm severely lactose intolerant, and it's the only one so far that doesn't ever give me the slightest symptoms. It has 6 live cultures, and a cream top to die for. > Please don't take this as criticism, it's not, I'm just perplexed; > This diet works for you??? Your BG's sure indicate it does, but the > above has loads of white flour and sugar and potatoes. I'm astonished. Each of us has different targets for our bg. Some of us like to stay really low normal, and others are using the ADA ranges. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >me the slightest symptoms. It has 6 live cultures, and a cream top to >die for. I'll see if I can find that, thanks!! It sounds awsome! > Stonyfield Farm plain whole milk yogurt has no carbs; I'm severely > lactose intolerant, and it's the only one so far that doesn't ever > give me the slightest symptoms. It has 6 live cultures, and a cream > top to die for. No carbs? Has the lactose been removed? >>Stonyfield Farm plain whole milk yogurt has no carbs; I'm > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > No carbs? Has the lactose been removed? It's been completely consumed by the 6 active cultures. Believe me, I would know if lactose were in there, I'd know very quickly. Susan >> No carbs? Has the lactose been removed? > > It's been completely consumed by the 6 active cultures. > > Believe me, I would know if lactose were in there, I'd know very > quickly. Excellent, I wonder if we have that type here. I'd like to put more yoghurt in my smoothies to weaken the brewer's yeast flavour. Strawberries and splenda don't totally do that. I have the smoothie for the yeast not the taste sensation, lol. > Excellent, I wonder if we have that type here. I'd like to > put more yoghurt in my smoothies to weaken the brewer's > yeast flavour. Strawberries and splenda don't totally do > that. I have the smoothie for the yeast not the taste > sensation, lol. It's very easy to make your own so you can control the carb content by fermentation period length, if you can't find one that's very low carb. The carbs listed on U.S. plain yogurt were pre-fermentation count and are not really as high as the label says. They count what was in the milk, not what ended up in the yogurt. Susan > The carbs listed on U.S. plain yogurt were pre-fermentation count and > are not really as high as the label says. They count what was in the > milk, not what ended up in the yogurt. Which no doubt is why 200 mls or milk raises me more than 200 mls yoghurt. >>The carbs listed on U.S. plain yogurt were > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Which no doubt is why 200 mls or milk raises me more than > 200 mls yoghurt. There ya go. Susan > Excellent, I wonder if we have that type here. I'd like to > put more yoghurt in my smoothies to weaken the brewer's > yeast flavour. Strawberries and splenda don't totally do > that. I have the smoothie for the yeast not the taste > sensation, lol. Jan, have you tried Easy-yo yoghurt, "cooked" overnight? Does very little to my BGs, at least after lunch. Might also be worth asking Alan what starter he's using. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/76/72Kg >Jan, have you tried Easy-yo yoghurt, "cooked" overnight? Does very little to >my BGs, at least after lunch. Might also be worth asking Alan what starter >he's using. > >Nicky. The first starter I used was the "200g Full Fat Natural Set" listed here: http://www.pauls.com.au/products/brands_details.cfm?/section/2/cid/3/pid/21/#Nut ritionalData I doubt you can get that, but it's just a standard full-fat yoghurt. After that, my second starter (which actually worked better) was a 1/2 cup from my first attempt. Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >> Excellent, I wonder if we have that type here. I'd like to >> put more yoghurt in my smoothies to weaken the brewer's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Jan, have you tried Easy-yo yoghurt, "cooked" overnight? Does very > little to my BGs, at least after lunch. Might also be worth asking > Alan what starter he's using. I've never made yoghurt but my kids eat lots of it, I suppose I should try, eh? >>> Excellent, I wonder if we have that type here. I'd like >to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I've never made yoghurt but my kids eat lots of it, I >suppose I should try, eh? If they eat lots of it, probably wouldn't hurt to make your own. It's not hard to do and is a *lot* cheaper than buying it at the store, at least here anyway. :-) August Goals: Keep BGLs in normal range; Not hungry, don't eat Weight: 21 pounds gone (whoop!) Measurements: 8 inches gone 06/19/2005 Cholesterol: 145 FBG: <100 since 07/01/2005 A1c 6.8! Breakfast: about 2/3 cup of yogurt with an oz. of moderate carb granola Lunch: Calamari salad Snack: 1.5 oz Armenian string cheese Dinner: that spice rubbed flank steak we were supposed to eat last night (it was very good!), mixed baby greens with 3 grape tomatoes, blue cheese and white wine/olive oil vinaigrette. Fruit salad. Susan Chris, Dannon makes a four ounce cup of carb control yogurt with three grams of carb. quite good Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >I dont know if anyone wants to continue this. Let me know, I am willing >so I wil start Breakfast FBG 6.0 Single spoon of yogurt and one strawberry (an experiment) 1hr PP 6.8 Morning snack 1/2 avocado Lunch: Chicken stir-fry 90min PP 4.9 Afternoon snacks 1/2 avocado, slice of cheese, 1/2 apple Dinner: Prawn (shrimp) curry - prawns, carrot, onion, garlic, ginger, turmeric, cummin, cinnamon, chili, vinegar, slurp of ketchup, soy, splenda, tspn of flour for thickener. 1hr PP 5.3 Evening snack slice of multigrain bread with vegemite. Supper: 1/2 cup cereal/psyllium/nuts mix with milk. Drinks over day: 12 oz diet LA Ice cola, 400ml Shiraz, coffee with cinnamon or pure cream, water. Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. <snip> >Evening snack slice of multigrain bread with vegemite. <snip> Several years ago my son had an 'exchange teacher' from Australia. It was a wonderful experience for him and the rest of his class. At one school function Ms. Armstrong provided some sample of typical Australian fare. It included, of course, vegemite. I've got to assume that vegemite is an acquired taste, right? I'm afraid I'd make a lousy Aussie import if I had to eat that stuff on any kind of regular basis. Sorry... :-( Is there anything we eat here in the States that others find.... um.... less than palatable? Like grits, or something? BessieBee "Life is hard. Its even harder if youre stupid." Anonymous ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >afraid I'd make a lousy Aussie import if I had to eat that stuff on >any kind of regular basis. Sorry... :-( You are required to buy a large jar as a pre-requisite to entering the country. You must eat at least a tablespoon on the spot. If you do not, you are immediately classed as an undesirable alien and deported. >Is there anything we eat here in the States that others find.... >um.... less than palatable? Like grits, or something? Boiled peanuts in the shell in Alabama. Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > BessieBee > "Life is hard. Its even harder if youre stupid." Anonymous Grits are *wonderful*. I only had them while travelling in the southern US, and for breakfast, but I thought they were great. Definitely not diabetic-friendly. 'Less than palatable' would be chitterlings, IMO. Or scrapple. If you come up to Quebec, you must try cretons (pronounced CRET-on). Kind of like head cheese only with more fat and it's spreadable. Yes, I like it. I've tried Marmite, not Vegemite, and I found it exceedingly salty. Vicki Bessie Bee heres my list chopped liver lox gefilte fish and I could go on and on Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >>I dont know if anyone wants to continue this. Let me know, I am willing >>so I wil start > >Breakfast >FBG 6.0 Let me see if I'm doing this right; That would be 108 in the US? (multiply by 18?) >Single spoon of yogurt and one strawberry (an experiment) >1hr PP 6.8 Would that be considered a spike? On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:44:23 -0700, Chris J. >>Breakfast >>FBG 6.0 > >Let me see if I'm doing this right; That would be 108 in the US? >(multiply by 18?) Right first time:-) >>Single spoon of yogurt and one strawberry (an experiment) >>1hr PP 6.8 > >Would that be considered a spike? No, for breakfast for me, a fasting of 6(108) and a 1hr of 6.8(123) is quite acceptable. That may not be true for others, but breakfast is a tough one for me as I'm not on meds. Today I doubled the size of the yogurt/strawberry experiment and went to 7.8(140) - I considered that a spike. The yogurt is home-made (I'm experimenting there), so no added sugars but I don't know the carb content. It was reasonably firm and creamy, as I had drained it of most of the whey. Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > The yogurt is home-made (I'm experimenting there), so no > added sugars but I don't know the carb content. It was > reasonably firm and creamy, as I had drained it of most of > the whey. Alan, if you ferment it for 24 hrs., it will be carb free. 12 hours it will be very low. We were visited by a scientist on asdlc once who was a fermentation process researcher. 24 hours makes a mighty tart yogurt. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Susan Thanks. I'll keep experimenting:-) Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Thanks. I'll keep experimenting:-) If you're doing easy-yo, you need to top up the hot water at some point. And save (or drink) the whey - lots of B vits, and an interesting insulin stimulating effect. You can pickle stuff in it too : ) Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/76/72Kg >If you're doing easy-yo, you need to top up the hot water at some point. > >And save (or drink) the whey - lots of B vits, and an interesting insulin >stimulating effect. You can pickle stuff in it too : ) > >Nicky. I don't know what easy-yo is. I boil a couple of litres of milk, wait until it's cooled below 55c (measured with a calibrated finger:-), add in some previous yogurt, then leave it for 4-6 hours in an esky with the lid on. I worked the method out after reading a couple of web-sites. Never made it before last week. Seems to work so far:-) Then I strain it through some cloth for a rich creamy yogurt. I was throwing the whey away (it tasted a bit bitter) - after reading Quentin's link I'll save it next time. Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > I dont know if anyone wants to continue this. Let me know, I am willing > so I wil start Breakfast is only meal so far today: An egg pan "fried", just a spray of olive oil in the pan I like a little tomato ketchup on my runny eggs; Slice low carb grain bread toasted spread with cholesterol lowering margarine Strong, white tea ;) Planning a Lemon cheesecake flavoured low fat, artificially sweetened yoghurt for first morning snack. >I dont know if anyone wants to continue this. Let me know, I am willing > so I wil start I'll give it a go. 8:00am. BG at 4.6 No breakfast. One hour after no breakfast, BG 5.4 12:00mid-day BG at 5.7 No lunch. One hour after no lunch, but a fast blast on the bike for 30 miles to run an errand BG 6:00 5:00pm BG at 5.1 Friday evening fish and chips for nosebag, then into my pit for an hour. 2 hours after eating and BG at 3.6 Time for a slice of Whimberry pie and cream (and 4 u's) An hour after the Whims, BG at 4.9 10:00pm and BG back in the 3's (3.1) 2 slices of cheese and tomato on toast. 8u's 2 hours after, BG at 4.9 Two biccies and a glass of milk. Now it's 12 minutes before two (in the morning) and BG' at 6. And I'm off to bed for another couple of hours. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >>I dont know if anyone wants to continue this. Let me know, I am willing >> so I wil start [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >Now it's 12 minutes before two (in the morning) and BG' at 6. And I'm off to >bed for another couple of hours. That was like a whiff of nostalgia for me Beav - that menu could have come straight from nights in a cab on the streets of Melbourne. Except that I probably added a pizza or a kebab. I won't even dare to make any comments on the nutritional value:-) Weird metabolism, you type 1's. Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>I dont know if anyone wants to continue this. Let me know, I am willing >> so I wil start [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >One hour after no lunch, but a fast blast on the bike for 30 miles to run an >errand BG 6:00 That's sort of a no calorie breakfast and lunch! >5:00pm BG at 5.1 >Friday evening fish and chips for nosebag, then into my pit for an hour. Nosebag? Pit? >2 hours after eating and BG at 3.6 Time for a slice of Whimberry pie and >cream (and 4 u's) >An hour after the Whims, BG at 4.9 Errr, What is a Whimberry pie? Googling didn't help on this... > That's sort of a no calorie breakfast and lunch! I know a type 1 in real life who has always only eaten twice a day since adulthood started. I think TigerLily (Kate) in here doesn't have lunch. I love my food too much to miss meals, lol. well i'd play too but don't think me being a t1 is good posting my foods... unless ya'll say it's okay.. otherwise I don't mind. reisa >I dont know if anyone wants to continue this. Let me know, I am willing > so I wil start [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. > well i'd play too but don't think me being > a t1 is good posting my foods... unless > ya'll say it's okay.. otherwise I don't mind. We can always drool over yours : ) Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/76/72Kg > well i'd play too but don't think me being > a t1 is good posting my foods... unless > ya'll say it's okay.. otherwise I don't mind. As long as you can handle the trolls who like to pick type 1 diets to pieces :) It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. I orginated this post so newbies could get an idea of the variety of foods all us oldbies have to choose from. It's quite amazing how varied and healthy the diets are. SignatureColleen "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." G.W. Bush Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 > well i'd play too but don't think me being > a t1 is good posting my foods... unless [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and >> terrorism. >It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. > >I orginated this post so newbies could get an idea of the variety of foods >all us oldbies have to choose from. It's quite amazing how varied and >healthy the diets are. It's totally astounded me how varied and healthy the diets are!!! (I'd be curious to see what a T-1 eats, too, in case that's what I turn out to be) Prior to this thread, I seriously thought most diabetic meals were vastly different (boiled veg, no seasoning, plus a few tofu bits, for example). I'd picked up a few clues in the day prior, but this thread was astounding. I've the posts plan on trying to organize some meal guides from them in my word processor. That is exactly why I suggested it. Wait until you get the well meaning friends giving you cookbooks for gifts. Most "diabetic" recipes are like the hospital meals. Simple, healthy, fresh foods are the best. SignatureColleen "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." G.W. Bush Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 >>It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > was astounding. I've the posts plan on trying to organize some meal > guides from them in my word processor. > >It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > be curious to see what a T-1 eats, too, in case that's what I turn out > to be) Because we cover everything we eat with insulin, we can basically eat what we please. Within reason. Yesterday after golf we hit the restaurant. I had bruschetta as appetizer and Chicken Parmigiana. Two bites of hub's pecan pie for dessert (I *do* have my limits). Three units of insulin off the top and an added extended bolus for 4 hours and I never went over 8.0. I never would have been able to stay so tightly in control without the aid of a pump or a couple of correction shots. Pasta takes longer for me to digest than the NovoRapid lasts in my body, and all the fat made it take even longer. Vicki > Prior to this thread, I seriously thought most diabetic meals were > vastly different (boiled veg, no seasoning, plus a few tofu bits, for > example). I'd picked up a few clues in the day prior, but this thread > was astounding. I've the posts plan on trying to organize some meal > guides from them in my word processor. Essentially. T1 and T2 are two entirely different illnesses that have common symptoms. That is what I've come to believe. SignatureColleen "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." G.W. Bush Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 >> >It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. >> > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> was astounding. I've the posts plan on trying to organize some meal >> guides from them in my word processor. > It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. > > I orginated this post so newbies could get an idea of the variety of foods > all us oldbies have to choose from. It's quite amazing how varied and > healthy the diets are. This increasing variety makes calorie counting especially problematic. Where there is overeating there is loss of health. Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach can be used on any diet. In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Where there is overeating there is loss of health. Thankfully, the > 2PD-OMER Approach can be used on any diet. Yet, a pound of all foods is not equal. Nor are all people. So need more fuel than others. Jeff > In Christ's love and service, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>> It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Yet, a pound of all foods is not equal. Nor are all people. So need more > fuel than others. Sorry, I mistyped. I meant, "Some [people] need more fuel than others." Mea Culpa. Jeff > Jeff > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A >> (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > >> It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Yet, a pound of all foods is not equal. Actually, it averages out over time. > Nor are all people. This also averages out over time. > So need more > fuel than others. This also averages out over time. Truth is simple: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >>>>It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > This also averages out over time. What extravagant horseshit. A pound of food averages out over time? All people average out over time? Variable fuel need averages out over time? How in Good Christ's name can this make any sense at all? Caloric density varies from food to food. Talking ab out averages flies directly in the face of the twaddle that Chung posted the other day that determining the caloric content of food means it needs to be destroyed. And in one swooping burst of stupidity, he negates those calorie charts he likes to quote when it suits him. Same thing here. That "averaging" of caloric content business can only happen with great variety. And it demonstrates that calories are the true determinant for any diet, not the weight of the food. As for "all people" averaging out, that's just nonsense. It has absolutely nothing to do with what any one person does or is about. And that some need more or less fuel than others is a statement of individual needs. There is no averaging when talking about discrete individuals and their needs. More meaningless twaddle from Chung for his egotistical self-aggrandizement. Pastorio >> >> It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Actually, it averages out over time. Not necessarily. People may start to eat more calorie-rich foods. >> Nor are all people. > > This also averages out over time. No it doesn't. >> So need more >> fuel than others. > > This also averages out over time. No. Older people tend to need fewer calories than younger people. People who are very active tend to need more calories than those who sit at desks all day. Tall people tend to need more calories than short people. And kids tend to need fewer calories than adults. If I am incorrect, please provide peer-reviewed references that show I am incorrect. Jeff > Truth is simple: > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > >> >> It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > If I am incorrect, please provide peer-reviewed references that show I am > incorrect. Any math book that describes the law of averages should suffice. Truth is simple: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> >> >> It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Any math book that describes the law of averages should suffice. Incorrect. Different people have different needs. The law of averages does not mean that a particular person will be like every other person. Jeff (...) > >> >> >> It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. > >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Incorrect. Different people have different needs. They are each created by God, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength :-) By His design, one omer of the food He provides is the daily requirement for each of us. God is great: http://makeashorterlink.com/?D3DE219AA God is the truth: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to God is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff, whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp You may hear me speak about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person and meet others who have been using this WOE here: http://www.TheHealthFair.com You may also choose to have me speak to your group or organization about the 2PD-OMER Approach in person for the usual and customary speaker's fee of US$30,000.00 made as a tax-deductible contribution to TheWellnessFoundation.com (it remains my choice to not profit personally from the 2PD-OMER Approach): http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> >> >> >> It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > By His design, one omer of the food He provides is the daily requirement > for each of us. This group is sci.med.cardiology. Please back your statement with scientific evidence. Please explain, scientifically, how a young man who is in training to become a Marine needs exactly the same amount of energy as a small 80-year old lady. And please provide the appropriate scientific references. Jeff (...) > >> >> >> >> It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. > >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > This group is sci.med.cardiology. Please back your statement with scientific > evidence. You wouldn't need this evidence if you were able to discern the truth. Nonetheless, such evidence will be provided when the Lord wills it. In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 (....) >> >> > Any math book that describes the law of averages should suffice. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You wouldn't need this evidence if you were able to discern the truth. > Nonetheless, such evidence will be provided when the Lord wills it. This is Andrew's way of saying that he is totally clueless on this, and won't back his claim. Jeff > In Christ's love and service, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A > (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > (....) > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > This is Andrew's way of saying that he is totally clueless on this, and > won't back his claim. I have written plainly enough for folks to see the way. In Christ's love and service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >> >> >> >> >> It might be interesting to see the difference in the diets. >> >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > You wouldn't need this evidence if you were able to discern the truth. > Nonetheless, such evidence will be provided when the Lord wills it. You're an even bigger c.nt than I took you for. I hope your jesus f.cks you stupid when you eventually meet the twat. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) (...) >> You wouldn't need this evidence if you were able to discern the truth. >> Nonetheless, such evidence will be provided when the Lord wills it. > > You're an even bigger c.nt than I took you for. I hope your jesus f.cks > you stupid when you eventually meet the twat. While I disagree with the way Andrew spreads the good word on the internet, there is no reason to attack him for doing what he thinks is the right. If you don't like his messages, you don't have to read them. Jeff > (...) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > internet, there is no reason to attack him for doing what he thinks is the > right. Get real. The man is a danger to ANY diabetic that prowls these hallowed halls and he needs kicking the f.ck OUT. > If you don't like his messages, you don't have to read them. Correct, I don't, but his "advice" is crap and dangerous, so it'd be remiss of me to let him carry on unchecked. Look on me as your saviour :-) SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >> (...) >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Get real. The man is a danger to ANY diabetic that prowls these hallowed > halls and he needs kicking the f.ck OUT. That is your opinion. Others have the ability to develop their own opinion about what Andrew thinks. But there is no need for rudeness or personal attacks. >> If you don't like his messages, you don't have to read them. > > Correct, I don't, but his "advice" is crap and dangerous, so it'd be > remiss of me to let him carry on unchecked. Look on me as your saviour :-) I have already determined that his 2PD-OMER approach is a waste of bandwidth. Jeff wow that was intense > > (...) > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious > changes) > wow that was intense Not nearly intense enough for him, but I was feeling generous. SignatureBeav Reply to "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) >well i'd play too but don't think me being >a t1 is good posting my foods... unless >ya'll say it's okay.. otherwise I don't mind. See if you can beat Beav's menu:-) Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>well i'd play too but don't think me being >>a t1 is good posting my foods... unless >>ya'll say it's okay.. otherwise I don't mind. > > See if you can beat Beav's menu:-) From memory it is Beav who enjoys a Mars bar for a hypo, lol. I think we caught him on his Friday night fish n chips night in this thread ;) RK, it is not for me to say, I am not a moderator hahahahaha but we all know type ones march to a different drummer will your choices make us jealous. lol Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. |
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