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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2004Shout Out - Supplements
What kind of dietary supplements are people using? I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. Just want to see if I'm missing something (insert smart-aleck remark here).  Signaturet2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) ============================ Well, i dreamed i saw the silver Space ships flying In the yellow haze of the sun -- Neil Young -- ==================== New to Diabetes? Go to: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org ==================================================== >What kind of dietary supplements are people using? >I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. I take fish oil, a multi, and timed release alpha lipoic acid. Susan > What kind of dietary supplements are people using? > I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. > Just want to see if I'm missing something (insert smart-aleck remark here). Too many! I won't list the amounts here unless someone specifically asks me. Can't remember all of them and don't want to look them up. So here goes: Multiple Vitamin, B & C Complex, Calcium, C, MSM, Flaxseed Oil, Evening Primrose Oil, Rutin, Horsechestnut, Acidophilus, Azo for yeast, Colostrum, CLA, CoQ10, and temporarily Echinacea. Am checking into Sublingual B12. Have heard that the combination of that and Folic Acid work better than trying to take B12 in pill form. SignatureType 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ > Am checking into Sublingual B12. Have heard that the combination of that > and Folic Acid work better than trying to take B12 in pill form. Check out Trader Joe's. They have a sublingual B12 with B6 & Folic Acid. About 8 bucks per 100. Jon > > Am checking into Sublingual B12. Have heard that the combination of that > > and Folic Acid work better than trying to take B12 in pill form. > > Check out Trader Joe's. They have a sublingual B12 with B6 & Folic Acid. > About 8 bucks per 100. Wish I had one here! But I don't. SignatureType 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ > What kind of dietary supplements are people using? > I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. > Just want to see if I'm missing something (insert smart-aleck remark here). Fish oil, flax seed oil, multi-vitamin, folic acid, vitamin E, baby aspirin. Hmmmm. I think that's it. Priscilla t2_lurking wrote in message ... >What kind of dietary supplements are people using? >I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. >Just want to see if I'm missing something (insert smart-aleck remark here). My doc pulled me off statins because of joint pain. I still have the joint pain and all sorts of other arthritic pain so he may have been a tad conservative. Anyway, my lipids jumped in the six months after he pulled me off. Therefore, I bought the book recommended by Quentin: "50 Ways to Lower Your Cholesterol", McGowan, Mary P. M.D. (cardiologist) and took the supplements she recommended some of which, BTW, were also recommended by a cardiologist giving advice to our Diabetes Support Group They worked very well for me. I cut my lipids substantantially. I take: policosanol Benecol margerine Fish Oil , 3000 mg/day walnuts guggul time release Niacin Psyllium ground flax seed (the seed hulls are the more useful fraction but I can't buy them conveniently) On my own, I take the anti-homocysteine vitamins B6 and Folic acid (anti-heart attack) Regards Old Al > t2_lurking wrote in message ... > >What kind of dietary supplements are people using? [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Regards > Old Al Hi there Al, I would recommend you try the glucosamine for the joint pain. If it's arthritis, then there's not much doubt that it will help. It not only reduces the pain levels, but actually helps restore cartilage. There's heaps of supporting studies if you want to search them out. And NO, it does not raise bg levels. When I was intially dx'd with arthritis, the doctor precribed ibuprofen, which does reduce the pain and inflamation, but unfortunately not only carries a number of dangerous side effects, but also actually degrades cartilage with prolonged use. Since I started using the glucosamine, not only have my pain levels dropped dramatically, but I was able to gradually reduce the NSAID, and am now off it all together. It comes in both capsules for ingestion, as well as a topical cream for application to the affected joint(s) directly. I use both! LOL There is also some clinical evidence that chondroitin also has a restorative effect on arthritic joints, (by a totally different mechanism), and it is often sold in combination with the glucosamine. I don't use it simply because it seemed to affect my gastrointestinal tract, but a lot of people use it without any trouble. I hope this may be helpful. Pain is no joke. Annette "Old age is when former classmates are so gray and wrinkled and bald, they don't recognize you. " Annette wrote in message ... >"oldal4865" wrote. . . >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >"Old age is when former classmates are so gray and wrinkled and >bald, they don't recognize you. " Alas, I have tried both the glucosamine and the chondroitin in two six-month trials with no success. I personally know folks who are very happy with their effect on knees, (including our local endo who mentions them frequently) but it did nothing for my hips, toes, and hands. My X-rays are a bit dramatic. I already have one artificial hip. Hopefully, I share the a good part of a gene package with my maternal Aunt. She had bits and pieces replaced all through her later years but , OTH, she did have a lot of later years. Regards Old Al "oldal4865" <oldal4865@yahoo.com> wrote in news:buj3oj$i88pi$1@ID- 121441.news.uni-berlin.de: > Alas, I have tried both the glucosamine and the chondroitin in two > six-month trials with no success. Any luck with MSM? It seems to help some people. Glucosamine does wondrous things for my knees, but when I add MSM, I don't notice any particular increase in relief. YMOV. Chakolate SignatureI have always been delighted at the prospect of a new day, a fresh try, one more start with perhaps a bit of magic waiting somewhere behind the morning. --J. B. Priestley > Annette wrote in message ... > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Regards > Old Al What a shame it didn't help. Another clear case of YMMV. Most studies on osteoarthritis talk about knees, and sometimes hands. MINE is in my butt! ( Actually the L1/S5 and sacro-iliac. I suspect my hips are going the same way. ) For some reason I find that incredibly funny. I mean, just saying it out loud - "Arthritis of the butt!" But of course it isn't, it can hurt something horrible, and make both sitting and lying in bed extremely painful. I actually had a difficult time getting any doctor to do the x-rays and prescribe treatment. Just old age, they'd tell me. Most medical people regard pain as a symptom, not a condition that by itself deserves serious attention. Now that may be OK for acute pain, where dx'ing and treating the underlying cause will usually bring relief, and analgesics are just a temporary affair, but chronic pain is a totally different matter. And if it's in your spine, replacement is not possible. Oh yes, YMMV. :-D In my "Googling travels", I found out that every mammalian species suffers from arthritis, even whales, porpoises and seals. The only exceptions are ........ bats and sloths. They figure it's because they spend the bulk of their lives hanging upside down! Wouldn't you think living in Oz would help! Annette >Hi there Al, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >cartilage. There's heaps of supporting studies if you want to >search them out. And NO, it does not raise bg levels. [snip] >Annette >"Old age is when former classmates are so gray and wrinkled and >bald, they don't recognize you. " Unfortunately, the glucosamine/condruiton doesn't work for me. I tried it twice (once of 3 months and once for 5 months). Seems great at first and then I got so stiff I had super trouble getting out of a chair and could hardly walk. OTOH, having my back rotor rootered and bilateral total knee replacements this summer has worked wonders. Fortunately, I have good if expensive insurance. And two great surgeons. -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com bettyb at flamingo dash code dot com "If wishes were Saabs, all type A's would ride" by Tom Darbyshire & Stephan Underhill > >Hi there Al, > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > "If wishes were Saabs, all type A's would ride" > by Tom Darbyshire & Stephan Underhill What is "rotor rootered" in actual terms for this uneducated person? ( You know, I initially read that as "rotor *rooted*", which will strike a cord with the other Ozzies here! The variations of the inferences of that word are too complicated to explain to non-strine speaking others. LOL) The closest US term I know of that is similar is "screwed". I find that this evidence that glucosamine does not help some folk quite interesting. All the research studies I have read had measurable improvements in all participants in the group treated with the substance. The control groups, treated with a placebo, showed no such changes. Exceptions and anomolies always pique my interest. It just doesn't pay to be too sure about ANYTHING. My apologies for being so adamant, as well as my sympathy, to all those who also found little or no help from this therapy. Annette >> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:58:44 +1100, "Annette" ><acianthus@bigpond.com> >> wrote: [snip] >> OTOH, having my back rotor rootered and bilateral total knee >> replacements this summer has worked wonders. Fortunately, I have [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >speaking others. LOL) >The closest US term I know of that is similar is "screwed". [snip} >Annette I use the term rotor rootered after the plumbing guy "Rotor Rooter Man" who cleans out the sewer pipe. I had severe spinal stenosis and had L2 thru L5 "decompressed", according to the surgeon. He cleaned out the spinal canal so that the nerves were no longer compressed. -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com bettyb at flamingo dash code dot com "If wishes were Saabs, all type A's would ride" by Tom Darbyshire & Stephan Underhill > >> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:58:44 +1100, "Annette" > ><acianthus@bigpond.com> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > -- > BettyB -- Thank you for the explanation. What can I say but EWWWW! I'm glad you received a successful outcome for such a serious condition. Annette >"BettyB" <flamingo1656@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> I use the term rotor rootered after the plumbing guy "Rotor Rooter [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Annette Actually, the back surgery was like a miracle. My activities were restricted for two weeks - no driving, no bending or twisting my back, and I was supposed to rest, sleep a lot. Then five weeks of as much exercise as I could do - water aerobics, treadmill, bike, weights, etc. After that I had both knees replaced on August 1. The TKRs were quite successful but no where near as quick and easy to recover from. -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com bettyb at flamingo dash code dot com "If wishes were Saabs, all type A's would ride" by Tom Darbyshire & Stephan Underhill >What kind of dietary supplements are people using? >I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. >Just want to see if I'm missing something (insert smart-aleck remark here). I use none Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. To mail: aspen at freeuk.com Every day: A inexpensive multi-vitamin without Iron. Glucosamine/Condroitin When I remember: Folic Acid B6 B12 Biotin Calcium/Magnesium -- Jenny - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm > What kind of dietary supplements are people using? > I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org > ==================================================== I am taking ginger root, vitamin B6, folic acid and omega 3 fish oils. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. B6 and B12 C E A 81mg aspirin Biotin ALA Folic Multi Jennifer > What kind of dietary supplements are people using? > I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. > Just want to see if I'm missing something (insert smart-aleck remark here). Caltrate with vitamen D. Pottasium A daily vitamen Magnesium As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02 189/154/120 > What kind of dietary supplements are people using? > I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. > Just want to see if I'm missing something (insert smart-aleck remark here). Multivitamin Vitamin C Psyllium Husk CLA Calcium (the last 2 are an experiment & subject to removal when the bottles are empty) --- Kelly T2, yada, yada >What kind of dietary supplements are people using? >I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. >Just want to see if I'm missing something (insert smart-aleck remark here). I just looked at my 1200 mg fish oil gel cap and it is pretty large. A 3000 mg gel cap must be huge. _____________________________________________ http://www.tcainternet.com/retired/index.html Bruce my fish oil is so large, I was wondering the same thing about the 3000 mgs. Maybe they are taking three, I know that the one capsule gives me indigestion I am used to big pills, but this one beats the cake\ Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >I am used to big pills, but this one beats the cake\ > >Loretta I take 3-6 grams of fish oil, too, but each capsule is 1 gram. Maybe that's what he meant? Also, if I take them right after eating, I don't get the icky, fishy stomachy thing. Yah. Susan > I take 3-6 grams of fish oil, too, but each capsule is 1 gram. Maybe that's > what he meant? > > Also, if I take them right after eating, I don't get the icky, fishy stomachy > thing. Yah. One thing that bears this out.. I was always told to take oily suppliments either with a main meal or immediately after, otherwise there is a tendency for them to pass straight through. I have also been advised not to take B vitamins with C (to give a couple of hours in between having one and the other) because they compete for absorption. Suppliments I take: cod liver oil (3g daily, this contains vit A and D) [0] 2 x super B complex (giving 3x RDA) [1] vitamin E (800 i.u.) zinc 15mg aspirin 150mg (a normal 300mg aspirin split in half) [0] I could prob get this all from the fish that I eat but here in UK I reckon I need vit D in winter. [1] I have to avoid wheat of all forms descriptions and types whether refined or unrefined because I get extremely high spikes PP from it, and diet in the UK gets a lot of B vitamins from breads and cereals. SignatureJohn38 - t2 or LADA? : dx@11/2003 : fbg @DX=13.6mmol/l : fbg now=8.7mmol/l glimepiride 6mg : aspirin 150mg : fish oil : low carb : exercise BGs gradually coming into control : Weekly avg=8.1mmol/l : BMI=24 > > I take 3-6 grams of fish oil, too, but each capsule is 1 gram. Maybe > > that's [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > suppliments either with a main meal or immediately after, otherwise > there is a tendency for them to pass straight through. I take my supplements as the second course of my breakfast, after my cheese omelet, and I wash them down with the second half of my mug of tea. Priscilla >Bruce my fish oil is so large, I was wondering the same thing about the >3000 mgs. Maybe they are taking three, I know that the one capsule [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Loretta Personally, I take 3 X 1000mg caps, but spread out over the course of the day. Sleepy ----------------------------------------------- Let's Kick the Right Wing, Out of the West Wing ----------------------------------------------- Sleepyman wrote in message ... >>Bruce my fish oil is so large, I was wondering the same thing about the >>3000 mgs. Maybe they are taking three, I know that the one capsule [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Sleepy Same here, one with every main meal. Otherwise I'm burping fish all morning. BTW: Our cardiologist adviser regards 3 x 1000 mg as a maintenance level for folks interested in preventative tactics. If his patients show evidence of arterial damage, he will run them up to 6 x 1000. Burp, Burp. Regards Old Al Hardy-Har-Har 3x1000 8)) > >What kind of dietary supplements are people using? > >I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > _____________________________________________ > http://www.tcainternet.com/retired/index.html Well.... after reading the "rest of the story" (the other posts) I guess they do come bigger sizes. Sorry Bruce, I thought you were being flip, not that that's bad. Signature-- t2_lurking geabbottATabbottandabbottDOTcom Do not mail to t2_lurking (auto-delete) ============================ Well, i dreamed i saw the silver Space ships flying In the yellow haze of the sun -- Neil Young -- ==================== New to Diabetes? Go to: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org ==================================================== > Hardy-Har-Har > 3x1000 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > _____________________________________________ > > http://www.tcainternet.com/retired/index.html > What kind of dietary supplements are people using? > I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. > Just want to see if I'm missing something (insert smart-aleck remark > here). Glucosamine Sulphate, and nowt else. Al. > What kind of dietary supplements are people using? I'm taking: EPA fish oil Vit. E Centrum Silver multi-vitamin Metamucil capsules (supposed to help lower lipids) 81 mg. aspirin Today I just ordered coenzyme Q-10, magnesium, and taurine, a combination which is supposed to help heart palpitations. My doc doesn't seem too concerned about the palpitations, but I find them very annoying and disconcerting, so I thought I'd give the natural route a try. Karen Type 2 Dx 9/11/02 Glucophage 1000 mg. Glucotrol 10 mg. Karen, your doctor is not worried about the palpitations because he isnt having them. They might not be a danger, but they are troublesome. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > Karen, your doctor is not worried about the palpitations because he isnt > having them. They might not be a danger, but they are troublesome. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Good point, Loretta - they're not the doc's palpitations... I do have a history of atrial flutter, which is a very rapid but regular (170+ beats per minute) heartbeat. That's landed me in the emergency room three times in the past ten years for IV meds to get the beat back to normal. After an episode a couple of years ago, my heart was checked out thoroughly with a complete battery of tests; everything seemed to be fine, thank goodness. But I still have a lot of trouble believing that irregular heartbeats that happen dozens of times a day are nothing to worry about. I also have trouble believing that *nothing* can be done about this. I stay away from anything and everything that might have caffeine or any other kind of stimulant in it, and supposedly none of my meds could be the culprit. My hypothyroidism is under control, so it's not that. Interestingly enough, these palpitations started in October 2002 - about a month after my diabetes was diagnosed. Because there was such a drastic diet change, I'm wondering if there's some kind of deficiency there that triggered this arrhythmia. I'm hoping these new supplements do the trick. Please keep your fingers crossed for me! Karen Karen, I am not a doctor, but is there a possibility that these attacks are anxiety attacks. Perhaps you are hyperventilating. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > Karen, I am not a doctor, but is there a possibility that these attacks > are anxiety attacks. Perhaps you are hyperventilating. > > Loretta Or perhaps Tacicardia (sp?). My mom used to get it once in awhile and she thought she was having a heart attack. Just a thought. SignatureSteve, T2 since 9/29/03 > > Karen, I am not a doctor, but is there a possibility that these attacks > > are anxiety attacks. Perhaps you are hyperventilating. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Or perhaps Tacicardia (sp?). My mom used to get it once in awhile and she > thought she was having a heart attack. Just a thought. No, it's not tachycardia; the heart rate doesn't increase at all with the palpitations. (It's a different story with atrial flutter, though, which is just one form of tachycardia.) Tachycardia really is very frightening, so I can understand how your mom felt. Karen > Karen, I am not a doctor, but is there a possibility that these attacks > are anxiety attacks. Perhaps you are hyperventilating. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. The doctors have ruled out anxiety attacks, Loretta. Atrial flutter is caused by a disturbance in the electrical impulses to the heart; no one knows for sure what causes most AF episodes, but it's a physiological condition, not a psychological one. Although it's not as serious as atrial fibrillation, prolonged atrial flutter can increase the risk of stroke. My cardiologist has given me a 15-minute time limit; if the AF doesn't resolve on its own within that time, I'm to go to an ER immediately. As far as the palpitations go, my internist doesn't feel there's a problem unless there's a continuous, extended run of them. Mine are like a single "hiccup" (best way I can describe it) every few minutes. That's how the AF used to start, but evidently *something* is keeping the AF from kicking in - I just get the palpitations now. There was only once when the docs knew exactly what was causing one of my AF episodes: My (former) family doctor had me on a diuretic which depleted my potassium, causing the abnormal heart rhythm. This idiot doc didn't take me seriously when I told him the arrhythmias were increasing to several an hour; usually I'd get AF once every few *months*. The ER discovered the low potassium. I fired my doc a few days after that, telling him I could have died because he didn't listen to me. Karen Hi Karen, There are several types of irregular heartbeats . Numerous causes depending on the type. What was the exact diagnosis from your doctor? Later.... David S> "Karen" > Today I just ordered coenzyme Q-10, magnesium, and taurine, a combination > which is supposed to help heart palpitations. My doc doesn't seem too > concerned about the palpitations, but I find them very annoying and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Glucophage 1000 mg. > Glucotrol 10 mg. > Hi Karen, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > David S> Hi, David! The atrial flutter has an official diagnosis as "benign atrial flutter". Nobody seems to be able to pin down the exact cause of the palpitations. I'm assuming it has something to do with the same disturbance of electrical rhythm that triggers the AF, but something is keeping the AF at bay (haven't had an episode in well over a year). I'm just experiencing the palpitations that used to precede the AF. I've had all kinds of tests, scans, and lab work, and everything always checks out OK. It's just one of those things that nobody can explain, unfortunately. It's pretty frustrating! Karen >What kind of dietary supplements are people using? >I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. >Just want to see if I'm missing something (insert smart-aleck remark here). I do the 3000mg of Fish Oil, with a daily Multivitamin. Sleepy ----------------------------------------------- Let's Kick the Right Wing, Out of the West Wing ----------------------------------------------- C, E, B complex, Selenium, Cal-Mag, Zinc, Potassium, Folic, Chromium GTF, (9-count'em-9 tabs here) Fish Oil -1gm gelcaps 3x day plus-Mixture of Flaxseed Oil,+Ground Flaxseed,+Cinnamon+high fat Yogurt. 3x day Whew..... alot of sh.t eh!!!!!! Later.... > >What kind of dietary supplements are people using? > >I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Let's Kick the Right Wing, Out of the West Wing > ----------------------------------------------- > What kind of dietary supplements are people using? Another question that is significant for some supplements is "When do you take the dietary supplement?". I have been doing some reading on glutathione. The reduced form of glutathione is the body's main antioxidant defense. The oxidized form of glutathione as a portion of total glutathione tends to increase with age as well as with lack of physical conditioning. Riboflavin is known to reserve the oxidized glutathione to the reduced form. Exercise oxidizes glutathione. If the exercise is too intense for a person's conditioning it has a negative impact on their antioxidant defense. After exercising, riboflavin, vitamin B-2, would seem to help restore the antioxidant defense. Alpha lipoic acid helps to build, restore, or maintain total glutathione. Cysteine is a rate limiting amino acid in the formation of glutathione. N-acetylcysteine is considered a more bioavailable source than cysteine. Chandan Sen and Lester Packer have done a lot of research on this topic. Thiol homeostasis and supplements in physical exercise http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/72/2/653S "Lipoic acid is detected in the form of lipoyllysine in various natural sources (112). When expressed as weight per dry weight of lyophilized vegetables, the relative abundance of naturally existing lipoate was found to be spinach,broccoli floral buds, tomato fruit, garden peas, Brussels sprouts,and rice bran." Molecular aspects of lipoic acid in the prevention of diabetes complications - http://tinyurl.com/ytu3p "Alpha-lipoic acid (LA) and its reduced form, dihydrolipoic acid, are powerful antioxidants. LA scavenges hydroxyl radicals, hypochlorous acid, peroxynitrite, and singlet oxygen. Dihydrolipoic acid also scavenges superoxide and peroxyl radicals and can regenerate thioredoxin, vitamin C, and glutathione, which in turn can recycle vitamin E. There are several possible sources of oxidative stress in diabetes including glycation reactions, decompartmentalization of transition metals, and a shift in the reduced-oxygen status of the diabetic cells. Diabetics have increased levels of lipid hydroperoxides, DNA adducts, and protein carbonyls. Available data strongly suggest that LA, because of its antioxidant properties, is particularly suited to the prevention and/or treatment of diabetic complications that arise from an overproduction of reactive oxygen and nitrogen species." Frank Frank, what is your answer to the point you raised? "Another question that is significant for some supplements is "When do you take the dietary supplement?"." Hi Mark: > Frank, what is your answer to the point you raised? > > "Another question that is significant for some supplements is "When do > you take the dietary supplement?"." I specified two supplements, riboflavin and alpha lipoic acid (ALA). The article by Sen and Packard mentions the reduction in the active form of glutathione after exercise and the increase in the oxidated form. It also mentioned that riboflavin recycles the oxidated form to the reduced form of glutathione. ALA adds back to depleted glutathione to the antioxidant system. Immediately after exercise would be a good time for these supplements. I have no idea of the amount of the supplements that would result in the correction needed since this seems to vary by the individuals physical conditioning and intensity of their exercise. Another YMMV situation! Frank This post not CC'd by email On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:39:14 -0600, "t2_lurking" >What kind of dietary supplements are people using? >I'm taking 3000 mg Fish Oil and Folic Acid. >Just want to see if I'm missing something (insert smart-aleck remark here). G'day G'day t2_lurking, I take a range of supplements. As I see it supplements are secondary to diet and exercise in maintaining good blood glucose control. However they do provide some back up. For those who use the 80:20 concept to partition importance, supplements are part of the 20. Just occasionally an important part. YMMV. Clinicians InsulBalance, a vitamin mineral multi. Fish oil 5000 mg Anti-inflammatory, keeps triglycerides way down. Evening primrose oil, EPO, 3000 mg. Avoiding peripheral neuropathy. Turmeric Inhibits spill over of GLA to AA. Alpha lipoic acid 300 mg Antioxidant, works with EPO. MSM if my feet swell. Gugulipid Supposed to raise HDL, seems only to lower cholesterol. Liver guard Milk thistle. Cheap insurance. The reasons given are overly brief. SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin |
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