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Kurt - 09 Oct 2008 07:44 GMT
http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 09 Oct 2008 11:30 GMT
> http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp

Because type-2 diabetes (T2DM) is a "risk equivalent" for
cardiovascular disease (CVD), folks wanting to avoid CVD have a need
to avoid T2DM.

The latter is achieved by not overeating so as not to acquire VAT,
which is the root cause of T2DM.

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Alan S - 10 Oct 2008 01:19 GMT
>http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp

From the link:

"A1C levels of less than 7 percent can also have heart
healthy benefits."

Not when compared to A1c levels of less than 6 percent.

"Eat wisely.
Cut back on foods high in saturated fat, trans fat, and
cholesterol, such as butter, eggs, meat, and whole milk. Eat
more foods high in fiber like fruits, vegetables, and whole
grain breads."

No thanks.

I'll stick to aiming under 6% and eating in a way that does
not give me post-prandial spikes. Eating more fruits and
whole grain breads does not help me do that.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 11 Oct 2008 12:57 GMT
> >http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp
> >
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> Not when compared to A1c levels of less than 6 percent.

There remains the concern that more aggressive medical therapy with
goal of lowering A1c to less than 6 percent would have the untoward
result of iatrogenic hypoglycemia which can be fatal.

> "Eat wisely.
> Cut back on foods high in saturated fat, trans fat, and
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>
> No thanks.

It remains wiser to eat less down to the right amount.

Once at the right amount and staying at the right amount, continuing
to eat the right things would be prudent.

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anonymous@nowhere.you.know - 11 Oct 2008 14:16 GMT
> >http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp
> >
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>
> Not when compared to A1c levels of less than 6 percent.

"There remains the concern that more aggressive medical therapy with
goal of lowering A1c to less than 6 percent would have the untoward
result of iatrogenic hypoglycemia which can be fatal."

"Remains" is at this time undemonstrated speculation.  Any a1c above
normal of 5 and less or so is shown to have additional cvd risk in a
lineal manner.

> "Eat wisely.
> Cut back on foods high in saturated fat, trans fat, and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> No thanks.

"It remains wiser to eat less down to the right amount."

Yes, calorie restriction is wise if overweight.

"Once at the right amount and staying at the right amount, continuing to
eat the right things would be prudent."

Starting to eat the right things should begin with the start of calorie
restriction.  The right choices in foods can aid in weight loss.  

Not forgetting exercise for its many metabolic benefits at the cel level
and for selectively losing vat; and it aids in calorie consumption also.

Calorie restriction, wise food choices, and exercise are the 3 legs of
the weight loss and maintenance stool.
Robert Miles - 11 Oct 2008 16:09 GMT
>> >http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_4494.asp
>> >
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> normal of 5 and less or so is shown to have additional cvd risk in a
> lineal manner.

Here in alt.support.diabetes, we've found that lowering your A1C to less
than 6 percent by restricting carbs in your diet is more effective and safer
than using aggressive medical treatment instead, at least for type 2
diabetics (the more common type).  There doesn't seem to be much
research testing this method, though.

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Alan S - 12 Oct 2008 23:48 GMT
>"There remains the concern that more aggressive medical therapy with
>goal of lowering A1c to less than 6 percent would have the untoward
>result of iatrogenic hypoglycemia which can be fatal."

A load of nonsense based on the flawed methods and
conclusions of ACCORD.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
d&e, metformin 2000 mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Analysis of a Day's Meals)
dLife http://tinyurl.com/54get5 (Diabetes Diet Wars)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 13 Oct 2008 01:21 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
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> A load of nonsense based on the flawed methods and
> conclusions of ACCORD.

ACCORD simply justified the concern, which was present before the
study.

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Loretta Eisenberg - 11 Oct 2008 13:08 GMT
I heard a oouple of days ago that depression and stress are high risk
factors of cardiovascular disease

ABC New News Dr. Jay Adlersberg

Loretta
 
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