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krom - 26 Sep 2008 06:15 GMT
It is all greek to me so maybe sombody can give me a breakdown.

My last a1c was 6.0 which bummed me out..this one was YAY 5.6

my chol is 137
trig 69
hdl 58
vldl 14
chol/hdlc ratio whatever that is ..is 2.3

psa marker 0.23

free test was still low at 93..dont like that...

vite d levels were d2 5
d3  38
d total 43

creatinine urin was 152

no protein in the urine

other then that i lost 3 pounds since last visit and feel pretty good
overall.

KROM
Alan S - 26 Sep 2008 09:32 GMT
>It is all greek to me so maybe sombody can give me a breakdown.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>vldl 14
>chol/hdlc ratio whatever that is ..is 2.3

Trigs/HDL is more important to me - and that is a brilliant
1.2, your aim is to be under 3.0. Your low vldl reflects
that; although I suspect that it may be calcualted from the
trigs/5.

>psa marker 0.23
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>KROM

Great report. Envy:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
d&e, metformin 2000 mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Be Smart, Be Skeptical)
dLife http://tinyurl.com/54get5 (Diabetes Diet Wars)
krom - 26 Sep 2008 11:55 GMT
Thanks..i still am not sure what ya mean by under 3.0...but if ya say its a
good result im glad im doing it right..lol..of course i owe it all to this
group and the advice i get...i seriously doubt id have good numbers eating
and meds dosing as most docs/nutri/endos reccomned.

Funny part is this test was done by the endo handling my testosterone
levels...NOT my diabetic centric one.

He refused to accept that i was a well controlled type two..during our talks
he came across as deffinatly "old school" when it comes to diabetic
treatment and care...disagreeing pretty much with everything i told him
about testing...and using diet and exercise as a important tool in my care.
He was puzzled as to why i tested..i said well at first i used it to gage my
foods to learn what does what..then after mostly to ensure i was on point
and somtimes i might feel low or high so i test to see whats going on..he
stops me and insists that theres NO way to feel high or low..lol
I then told him i can with at least 90 percent acuracy guess the result of a
test within say 10 points for sure...if i guess 80 i might be 86 but more
often then not i guess right on.

Well he was ready to have me comitted in his mind...so he asked what my a1c
is and i said it varries between 5.5 and 6.0 the last few times ive had it.
Again the look of disbelief..

So anyhoo i simply told him to go ahead and test me..lol

KROM

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote >
> Trigs/HDL is more important to me - and that is a brilliant
> 1.2, your aim is to be under 3.0. Your low vldl reflects
> that; although I suspect that it may be calcualted from the
> trigs/5.
>
> Great report. Envy:-)
Alan S - 26 Sep 2008 13:15 GMT
>Thanks..i still am not sure what ya mean by under 3.0...but if ya say its a
>good result im glad im doing it right..lol..of course i owe it all to this
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Funny part is this test was done by the endo handling my testosterone
>levels...NOT my diabetic centric one.

I hope he has better advice for testosterone than he does
for diabetes.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
d&e, metformin 2000 mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Be Smart, Be Skeptical)
dLife http://tinyurl.com/54get5 (Diabetes Diet Wars)
krom - 26 Sep 2008 20:55 GMT
he write the script..i take it and almost feel normal..instead of barely
able to move..that said tho im really starting to ponder the fact that takin
test isnt explaining why its low in a under 40 male who exercises...so i
might try a different one...like any disease id rather fix the cause then
the results of the disease.

KROM

> I hope he has better advice for testosterone than he does
> for diabetes.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Be Smart, Be Skeptical)
> dLife http://tinyurl.com/54get5 (Diabetes Diet Wars)
Susan - 26 Sep 2008 21:03 GMT
> he write the script..i take it and almost feel normal..instead of barely
> able to move..that said tho im really starting to ponder the fact that takin
> test isnt explaining why its low in a under 40 male who exercises...so i
> might try a different one...like any disease id rather fix the cause then
> the results of the disease.

Krom, you need a complete evaluation of your pituitary. This would
include IGF1 to screen for HGH deficiency, sex hormone binding globulin,
8a.m., 4.p.m. and midnight cortisol, cortisol binding globulin,
prolactin levels, for starters.

Susan
Susan - 26 Sep 2008 21:07 GMT
>> he write the script..i take it and almost feel normal..instead of
>> barely able to move..that said tho im really starting to ponder the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> 8a.m., 4.p.m. and midnight cortisol, cortisol binding globulin,
> prolactin levels, for starters.

And leutinizing hormone.

Susan
Loretta Eisenberg - 26 Sep 2008 13:55 GMT
Krom why do you want to stay with a doctor who knows less about diabetic
control than you do?  :-)

Loretta
bgl - 26 Sep 2008 17:37 GMT
> Krom why do you want to stay with a doctor who knows less about
> diabetic
> control than you do?  :-)

I thought he was talking about a doctor who deals with some other aspect
of his health concerns. Maybe he's good at the part he is focussing on.
bj
krom - 26 Sep 2008 21:07 GMT
i hope he is..dunno tho..i know the replacment has made a big difference and
ive had no ill effects from it...doesnt explain the why tho and thats
bugging me..so i may be shopping again..i never settle when it comes to my
health.

KROM

>> Krom why do you want to stay with a doctor who knows less about diabetic
>> control than you do?  :-)
>
> I thought he was talking about a doctor who deals with some other aspect
> of his health concerns. Maybe he's good at the part he is focussing on.
> bj
Nicky - 26 Sep 2008 20:09 GMT
>Krom why do you want to stay with a doctor who knows less about diabetic
>control than you do?  :-)

Kinda hard to find a primary physician who knows anything like as much
about diabetes as we do... but Krom's seeing this guy for testosterone
issues.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.4%  BMI 25
Susan - 26 Sep 2008 20:38 GMT
> Kinda hard to find a primary physician who knows anything like as much
> about diabetes as we do... but Krom's seeing this guy for testosterone
> issues.

Unless there's some other disease process I missed, testosterone issues
are typically a pituitary problem.  Often, as in my case, diabetes is, too.

It's never just one hormone.

Susan
bgl - 26 Sep 2008 21:00 GMT
> Kinda hard to find a primary physician who knows anything like as much
> about diabetes as we do... but Krom's seeing this guy for testosterone
> issues.

Fortunately I ended up with an endo for my thyca who is also very good
with my diabetes. Actually, I think she's more a dm specialist who is
good with thyca too -- the group at that hospital handles a lot of it.
But if I had to, I'd look for a (more convenient, if it came to that)
doctor for diabetes as long as I could keep the one at the hospital for
thyca followup. My current internist is also good with diabetes. Thyroid
cancer & its followup are much harder to get good care for, & it's not
nearly as much do-it-yourself as diabetes. :-)

Even within endocrinology docs can vary on expertise & handling of
different "systems".
bj
krom - 26 Sep 2008 21:05 GMT
oh ..he doesnt treat me for my diabetes..lol.. i was feeling really bad for
a long time and my bg was under control so me and my good doc were truing to
cover all bases..did a test check and i was very low..she doesnt handle that
so i went to the big hospital just for that alone.

KROM

> Krom why do you want to stay with a doctor who knows less about diabetic
> control than you do?  :-)
>
> Loretta
Trinkwasser - 27 Sep 2008 22:24 GMT
>Thanks..i still am not sure what ya mean by under 3.0...but if ya say its a
>good result im glad im doing it right..lol..of course i owe it all to this
>group and the advice i get...i seriously doubt id have good numbers eating
>and meds dosing as most docs/nutri/endos reccomned.

trigs/HDL 69/58 = 1.2 which is brilliant

the rest are pretty damn good too

>Funny part is this test was done by the endo handling my testosterone
>levels...NOT my diabetic centric one.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>So anyhoo i simply told him to go ahead and test me..lol

Only an idiot or a mentally ill person could argue with success

(Tom is still posting the same stuff on the ADA forum)
krom - 28 Sep 2008 09:54 GMT
Ahhh gotcha..thnx now i get it!

To the last part..lol..indeed..i dont read the ada forums ..its like
watching the band on the titanic say "no everythings fine just keep
listening to us"

KROM

> trigs/HDL 69/58 = 1.2 which is brilliant
>
> the rest are pretty damn good too

<snip>

> Only an idiot or a mentally ill person could argue with success
>
> (Tom is still posting the same stuff on the ADA forum)
Trinkwasser - 29 Sep 2008 20:26 GMT
>Ahhh gotcha..thnx now i get it!
>
>To the last part..lol..indeed..i dont read the ada forums ..its like
>watching the band on the titanic say "no everythings fine just keep
>listening to us"

You'd be amazed actually, they're singing much the same song there as
here (and in nearly all other forums, only the Professional Advice
differs, hence my crack about stupidity and mental illness, they see
patients doing better but still tell them to do the opposite of what
works <sigh>)
krom - 30 Sep 2008 00:19 GMT
sigh indeed..

KROM

>>Ahhh gotcha..thnx now i get it!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> patients doing better but still tell them to do the opposite of what
> works <sigh>)
Alan S - 30 Sep 2008 00:39 GMT
>Ahhh gotcha..thnx now i get it!
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>KROM

You haven't been there lately, krom.

I've been infiltrating the place for three years now. The
scary thing is that I'm now part of the "establishment"
there. Even scarier - others quote me:-)

Maybe you need to drop in to set people right? <g>

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
d&e, metformin 2000 mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Be Smart, Be Skeptical)
dLife http://tinyurl.com/54get5 (Diabetes Diet Wars)
krom - 30 Sep 2008 09:50 GMT
think i will pay a visit..lol

KROM

>>Ahhh gotcha..thnx now i get it!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Be Smart, Be Skeptical)
> dLife http://tinyurl.com/54get5 (Diabetes Diet Wars)
Nicky - 26 Sep 2008 10:16 GMT
>My last a1c was 6.0 which bummed me out..this one was YAY 5.6

Woo-hoo! :D

>my chol is 137
>trig 69
>hdl 58
>vldl 14
>chol/hdlc ratio whatever that is ..is 2.3

I can't think in you guys' big numbers - but I think they look good in
anyone's book, and the tot:hdl shows a nicely low heart attack risk.

>other then that i lost 3 pounds since last visit and feel pretty good
>overall.

Doing good! Wasn't it last round pf tests when you were having such a
hard time healthwise, too?

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.4%  BMI 25
Loretta Eisenberg - 26 Sep 2008 13:53 GMT
Krom, you deserve a break today so get u and get away because from what
I read you have some bragging rights.  Really fabulous.  Just one
question, I never heard of such an low ldl, is that number right

Loretta
krom - 26 Sep 2008 21:03 GMT
i my entire life had freaky blood preasure im always 100/70 or lower...and
my cholesterols always been somthing dr's ask me about.

I was told i have i have really good cholesterol levels alot too..i duuno
what the good bad ranges are so i cant say..lol

KROM

> Krom, you deserve a break today so get u and get away because from what
> I read you have some bragging rights.  Really fabulous.  Just one
> question, I never heard of such an low ldl, is that number right
>
> Loretta
Susan - 26 Sep 2008 15:40 GMT
> It is all greek to me so maybe sombody can give me a breakdown.
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> d3  38
> d total 43

Are you on a statin, Krom?

Susan
 
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