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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / May 2008Leg cramps at night
Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past couple of nights. I have always had issues but what scares me is the frequency the past week and it's sore for a day or two later. I eat a fair amount of bananas so I dont think its a potasium issue. Any advice and thanks > Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past couple > of nights. I have always had issues but what scares me is the frequency the > past week and it's sore for a day or two later. > I eat a fair amount of bananas so I dont think its a potasium issue. Any > advice and thanks If you're not on a med that contraindicates it, try taking some lite salt made with potassium chloride mixed in a glass of water. Cramps should be gone in 10 minutes or so. Are you on meds, like metformin? It gave me vise like leg and foot cramps due to it's adrenal suppressive effects. Susan >> Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past couple >> of nights. I have always had issues but what scares me is the frequency the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Susan Im on insulin NPH and accupril for HBP. Tha pain during these cramps is unbearable for abotu 10 minutes and they are not concentrated into one are of my legs. > Im on insulin NPH and accupril for HBP. > Tha pain during these cramps is unbearable for abotu 10 minutes and they are > not concentrated into one are of my legs. Nor were mine. At their worst, they were also in my back and my hands, and sometimes my hamstrings. Insulin and accupril can both be causing this. I used to have severe labile ht, and taking time released potassium not only keeps me cramp free, my bp is now pretty much always 111/64. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I used to have severe labile ht, and taking time released potassium not > only keeps me cramp free, my bp is now pretty much always 111/64. Isn't muscle pain also one of the statin side effects? Bill, are you on a statin? Priscilla, T2 >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Priscilla, T2 and a simply muscle enzyme test shows if the statin is affecting the muscles :) anyone taking a statin should have their liver enzymes checked every 3 months (my GP has put muscle enzymes down for every 3 months too, but i think that's over kill, but he's good, so i'll do what he wants)  Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html >Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past couple >of nights. I have always had issues but what scares me is the frequency the >past week and it's sore for a day or two later. >I eat a fair amount of bananas so I dont think its a potasium issue. Any >advice and thanks What are your BG numbers like? If you're eating too many bananas your BG may be suffering. Which may not be helping the cramps. > Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past > couple [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I eat a fair amount of bananas so I dont think its a potasium issue. Any > advice and thanks You need to tell your Dr. and find out why you are having the cramps. Could be any number of reasons. Thyroid out of order, fibromyalgia, neuropathy, lack of sodium, magnesium, etc. You say you eat a fair amount of bananas. How is your BG? Bananas aren't the best food for diabetics. >> Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past >> couple [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >You say you eat a fair amount of bananas. How is your BG? Bananas aren't >the best food for diabetics. I also do a lot of walking at night after work ( i work odd hours) Its been awhile since ive had a check- up and Im trying to find a new diabetes doctor. Im in the Boston area and getting into Joslin is almost impossible. "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote > You need to tell your Dr. and find out why you are having the cramps. Could > be any number of reasons. Thyroid out of order Good point. Muscle cramps were the first symptoms I had when I developed Hashi's. The completely resolved when I started taking synthroid. John C. > Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past > couple of nights. I have always had issues but what scares me is the > frequency the past week and it's sore for a day or two later. > I eat a fair amount of bananas so I dont think its a potasium issue. Any > advice and thanks Calcium, magnesium, zinc and selenium, too. How do all those bananas effect your BG? SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past couple >of nights. I have always had issues but what scares me is the frequency the >past week and it's sore for a day or two later. >I eat a fair amount of bananas so I dont think its a potasium issue. Any >advice and thanks I can't help with the cramp much - I've had similar problems, on and off, for years. I take Quinine Bisulphate on an "as needed" basis and that usually helps. On the bananas, you might profit from doing some BG tests 30-45 minutes after eating those. Whenther or not they help your cramps I doubt that they are helping your BG's. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com http://loraltravel.blogspot.com Latest: Bangkok If I might add, since I haven't seen it mentioned...... I also had frequent night cramping in my feet and legs. What I discovered is that I was getting dehydrated at night. I found that if I purposefully hydrated before bed I wouldn't get the cramps. I do also use the Lite Salt as some have suggested. Yes, most nights I do have to get up to journey to the toilet, but I was doing that most nights anyway. I'd much rather the gentle awakening from bladder pressure than the sudden pain of a cramp. I get back to sleep easier also. BigBird >>Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past >>couple [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > http://loraltravel.blogspot.com > Latest: Bangkok On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:07:46 -0700, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" <unknown at whoknows dot us> wrote: >If I might add, since I haven't seen it mentioned...... I also had frequent >night cramping in my feet and legs. What I discovered is that I was getting [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >BigBird Thanks Peter. How are you mate? I mentioned you (discreetly) the other day on the ADA forum to a guy who was depressed about needing to lose a lot of weight and who felt surgery was his only option. Hope you are well. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com http://loraltravel.blogspot.com Latest: Bangkok > On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:07:46 -0700, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" > <unknown at whoknows dot us> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Hope you are well. Thanks for asking Allen. I'm holding my weight pretty steady. But with the exercise I'm getting, I tolerate a wider range of foods and my control is better (mid 5's). I would never have believed that exercise (plus the weight loss) would have such a profound effect. I feel very lucky I can maintain this level of activity at almost 63 years of age. I work/volunteer as a driver/dockman for a Charity putting in 3-4 hours of manual labor a day. Since I have access to their food bank I've cut my food bills by 75% and have the choice of quite a bit of healthy produce. So it's a real win-win. I still have some challenges that will keep me on disability but not hold me back too seriously. Life is not bad these days. I wish for you the same. And what I wouldn't give for some Swan Lager..... :)) Bigbird. > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > -- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://loraltravel.blogspot.com > Latest: Bangkok On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:51:34 -0700, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" <unknown at whoknows dot us> wrote: >And what I wouldn't give for some Swan Lager..... :)) > >Bigbird. Come on over - but all I have in the fridge at the moment is Melbourne Bitter:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com http://loraltravel.blogspot.com Latest: Bangkok > On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:51:34 -0700, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" > [] > Come on over - but all I have in the fridge at the moment is > Melbourne Bitter:-) How much beer can you drink before it spikes you? One bottle spikes me pretty bad. ;-( SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:51:34 -0700, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" >> [] [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >How much beer can you drink before it spikes you? One bottle spikes me >pretty bad. ;-( How big is that bottle? I only drink halves (UK 10oz, 250ml) everywhere but the US, where I drink 12oz. I only have a drink with a meal if the meal is fairly low in carbs, so I make allowance for the 10-20 gms in the beer. And not if I have wine with the meal. However, I can easily handle a Guinness if I have it in mid-afternoon at least a couple of hours after lunch, or similarly in the evening. That feature was useful on hot afternoons on my wanders. I've even occasionally had a pint in those circumstances, when I know I'm about to walk another five miles around some ruins or temples. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com http://loraltravel.blogspot.com Latest: Bangkok Grand Palace >>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:51:34 -0700, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" >>> [] [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > http://loraltravel.blogspot.com > Latest: Bangkok Grand Palace Somebody expressed dislike for Swan. What wasn't mentioned was that the last time I had it was in 1977 and was younger and in the USNavy on a port call to Portland, NSW. I also remember enjoying Melbourne Bitter but somewhere in there we switched to Cider and things get blurry. I do distinctly remember the Swan as better than most US beers and absolutely better than any Pilsner I'd had. I also developed a fondness for lamb..... BigBird (I'm in the US, Washington State, BTW) >> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:51:34 -0700, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" >> [] [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >How much beer can you drink before it spikes you? One bottle spikes me >pretty bad. ;-( I drink maybe once a week and then its lite beer. For whats its worth I didnt have any cramps last night but I also stayed home and relaxed. I know I need to drink more water but Im going to the bathroom quite frequently as it is especially if the blood sugar is soaring. >>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:51:34 -0700, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" >>> [] [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to drink more water but Im going to the bathroom quite frequently as it is > especially if the blood sugar is soaring. Well, since you know you're dumping water, I think that argues for more intake?? BB > >> On Sat, 24 May 2008 21:51:34 -0700, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" > >> [] [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > know I need to drink more water but Im going to the bathroom quite > frequently as it is especially if the blood sugar is soaring. I haven't had a beer since I was in Texas, back in January. ;-( What wakes me up around five hours after I've gone to bed is leg cramps. I hobble and groan my way to the bathroom, where they usually subside. Back to bed and that's it for that night (if I'm lucky)! SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ > I haven't had a beer since I was in Texas, back in January. ;-( What > wakes me up around five hours after I've gone to bed is leg cramps. I > hobble and groan my way to the bathroom, where they usually subside. Back > to bed and that's it for that night (if I'm lucky)! I got those often on the nights when I had had a dialysis session. I kept a cane or even my old crutches nearby to help me hobble to the bathroom. Quite warm, not hot, water from one of those hand held shower massagers for about 10 minutes on the cramp site would do it for me. Upping potassium or magnesium was not practical on dialysis, and neither was quinine. In my case the cramps back then were a direct result of electrolyte loss due to the dialysis. Today, I regulate my potassium levels with tomato sauce and the occasional nectarine, plum or apricot. It is a balancing act between my ACE inhibitor and my two diuretics; a potassium leaching one and a potassium sparing one. I take 250 mg of elemental magnesium twice a day because of a deficiency caused by my kidney transplant med, cyclosporine. That keeps my cramps down to four times a year. Extra magnesium has helped my mother and my aunt significantly with their leg cramps. I have been lucky enough not to have cramps bad enough to require quinine, nor have I had restless leg syndrome, although some extended family members have had it. Dennis (Type 2) "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" <unknown at whoknows dot us> wrote in news:iaydnXb-WpXFbaXVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@comcast.com: >> On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:07:46 -0700, "Peter G. \(Bigbird\)" >> <unknown at whoknows dot us> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Bigbird. Cripes ease up... Swan Larger. Next it'll be Emu Bitter. > Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past > couple [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I eat a fair amount of bananas so I dont think its a potasium issue. Any > advice and thanks There is an over the counter pill called Legatrin PM. I've been using it for several months and I almost never have leg cramps since. >> Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past >> couple [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >There is an over the counter pill called Legatrin PM. I've been using it >for several months and I almost never have leg cramps since. I have restless leg syndrome at night. I take one Requip every night at bedtime. Last night we went to bed at eleven and I took the rather large collection of bedtime meds at that time. However, at 2:15 a.m. I had to get up and take another Requip as my left leg had started jerking around as if it wanted to dance. If I force it to stay still it hurts. My doctor says RLS doesn't hurt. I have told him I would never with RLS on anyone, but if he ever gets it he will find out that it can hurt quite a bit, especially if you try to force your legs to stay still. Anyone else have this problem? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information gathered from http://icasualties.org/oif/ I forward these statistics with the greatest degree of respect for those who have given the ultimate price. On May 24, 2008 the total of Americans killed in Iraq was 4081. United Kingdom = 176 Other = 136 >>> Im a 48 year old diabetic and have had really bad leg cramps the past >>> couple [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Anyone else have this problem? I do sometimes. And yes, it hurts. |
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