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Julie Bove - 22 May 2008 04:00 GMT
Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on the
Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming my BG
is in range.  Range being 90-130.  If it is above that, I am to use an
additional unit for every point.  Oh great!  Math was never my strong point.

It says to inject it 5 to 10 minutes prior to eating.  That's easy enough to
do at home.  But what do I do when I am at a restaurant?  How will I know
when to inject it?  I've heard/read that you just inject and if the food
doesn't come in time to eat a roll.  That won't work for me because of the
food allergies.  I can't eat most rolls.  No problem at a Mexican restaurant
because there will be chips.  No problem except that I have to deduct the
carbs in those chips from my meal.

Next thing I don't know.  What do I do with the insulin if I am out?  Just
put it in my purse?  That's fine unless the temp. exceeds 86%.  It doesn't
usually get that hot here, but I am thinking of a trip to the zoo last year
where it was miserably hot.  What do I do then?  Can I get one of those Frio
thingies and leave it in the hot car?  Do I have to carry it around with me?
And what about the needles?  Here, I have to dispose of them in a specified
sharps container.  I have one at my house and so does my dad.  But I don't
think I've seen any when we've been out.  They did have them in some public
restrooms in Oakland when we lived in CA.  The nurse said something about
capping them and sticking them back in my purse until I got home, but that
doesn't sound like a really good idea.

Thanks!
Julie Bove - 22 May 2008 04:08 GMT
Mistake!!!  1 unit for every 30 points above range.  I am brain dead at the
moment.

> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on
> the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Thanks!
Tiger_Lily - 22 May 2008 05:06 GMT
> Mistake!!!  1 unit for every 30 points above range.  I am brain dead at the
> moment.

oh good!!!!!!!!! that makes MUCH more sense! lol

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Julie Bove - 22 May 2008 05:49 GMT
>> Mistake!!!  1 unit for every 30 points above range.  I am brain dead at
>> the moment.
>
> oh good!!!!!!!!! that makes MUCH more sense! lol

I was trying to help Angela with math at the same time.  Obviously I can not
multi-task.
Màck©® - 22 May 2008 05:26 GMT
>Mistake!!!  1 unit for every 30 points above range.  I am brain dead at the
>moment.

that sounds better for a starter amount.  I have never met anyone with
a 1 to 1 ratio for Novolog.

>> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on
>> the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> restaurant because there will be chips.  No problem except that I have to
>> deduct the carbs in those chips from my meal.

you can inject after the meal.  This gives you the ability to know
exactly what you have eaten.  rather than estimate your carbs, order,
then decide it doesn't taste good enough to finish, either because of
how your feel, or how it was cooked.  Just don't wait too long after
the meal.  Personally I don't wait more than 15 to 20 minutes.

>> Next thing I don't know.  What do I do with the insulin if I am out?  Just
>> put it in my purse?  That's fine unless the temp. exceeds 86%.  It doesn't
>> usually get that hot here, but I am thinking of a trip to the zoo last
>> year where it was miserably hot.  What do I do then?  Can I get one of
>> those Frio thingies and leave it in the hot car?  Do I have to carry it
>> around with me?

I use a pump, with Novolog, so yes I carry it with me everywhere.  I
have never had it get hot enough, long enough to harm the insulin.  A
frio would do just fine, since you are keeping your entire bottle.
However, if you are going to use a Novolog pen, don't worry about it,
just put it in your purse and do not leave your purse sitting in
direct sunlight.

>> And what about the needles?  Here, I have to dispose of
>> them in a specified sharps container.  I have one at my house and so does
>> my dad.  But I don't think I've seen any when we've been out.  They did
>> have them in some public restrooms in Oakland when we lived in CA.  The
>> nurse said something about capping them and sticking them back in my purse
>> until I got home, but that doesn't sound like a really good idea.

it's a perfect idea. you can also use a 20 oz plastic soda bottle. You
will still want to recap them so that you do not accidentally crush
the bottle with an exposed needle in it.  Then just shake them out
into a sharps container when you get home.  I found that I could
recap, the BD syringes and snap the needle end off the syringe, then
toss the body of the syringe in the trash(plunger removed) and put the
capped needle in a small plastic Ziploc bag.  Same goes for Pen
needles, if you do no reuse them, simply recap, remove from the pen
and store it in a plastic Ziploc bag.

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Julie Bove - 22 May 2008 05:49 GMT
>>Mistake!!!  1 unit for every 30 points above range.  I am brain dead at
>>the
>>moment.
>
> that sounds better for a starter amount.  I have never met anyone with
> a 1 to 1 ratio for Novolog.

Sorry.
Anon aka - 22 May 2008 07:08 GMT
> Mistake!!!  1 unit for every 30 points above range.  I am brain dead at
> the moment.

That's more better the kind! Everyone has different carb/insulin/BG ratios.
In my case it would be 1 unit for every 20 points.

>> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on
>> the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>>
>> Thanks!
John - 22 May 2008 14:06 GMT
> Mistake!!!  1 unit for every 30 points above range.  I am brain dead at the
> moment.
>
> "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote in message

Man, I don't know squat about insulin, but I thought 1 to 1 sounded
awfully high just from reading here. Jeez, Julie...don't make that
mistake in real life!

John C.
Julie Bove - 22 May 2008 15:47 GMT
On May 21, 11:08 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Mistake!!! 1 unit for every 30 points above range. I am brain dead at the
> moment.
>
> "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote in message

Man, I don't know squat about insulin, but I thought 1 to 1 sounded
awfully high just from reading here. Jeez, Julie...don't make that
mistake in real life!

Yes.  That would be bad!
Ozgirl - 23 May 2008 03:25 GMT
> On May 21, 11:08 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Mistake!!! 1 unit for every 30 points above range. I am brain dead
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> awfully high just from reading here. Jeez, Julie...don't make that
> mistake in real life!

So how did it come about that someone decided to change your insulin regimen
so suddenly?

> Yes.  That would be bad!
Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 03:42 GMT
>> On May 21, 11:08 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Mistake!!! 1 unit for every 30 points above range. I am brain dead
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> So how did it come about that someone decided to change your insulin
> regimen so suddenly?

It wasn't sudden.  I was told to do the one protocol until I reached 60
units and if that didn't work, we would do something else.  I did post this
prior.

>> Yes.  That would be bad!
Ozgirl - 23 May 2008 04:14 GMT
>>> On May 21, 11:08 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Mistake!!! 1 unit for every 30 points above range. I am brain dead
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> 60 units and if that didn't work, we would do something else.  I did
> post this prior.

Yeah but one day you were using only Lantus the next Lantus was reduced
drastically and Novolog added, bought and used. I feel I am missing 24
hours.
Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 05:06 GMT
>>>> On May 21, 11:08 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Mistake!!! 1 unit for every 30 points above range. I am brain dead
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> drastically and Novolog added, bought and used. I feel I am missing 24
> hours.

I was just told about this yesterday.
ted rosenberg - 23 May 2008 05:27 GMT
> Mistake!!!  1 unit for every 30 points above range.  I am brain dead at the
> moment.
>
>  
<snip>
NOW too little !!

Possibly 1 for 10 initially, nut 1 for 4 is a highly likely target
Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 06:15 GMT
>> Mistake!!!  1 unit for every 30 points above range.  I am brain dead at
>> the moment.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Possibly 1 for 10 initially, nut 1 for 4 is a highly likely target

It does seem too little given my numbers, except for after dinner.  I
screwed up the dose then and only shot 10 units instead of the 12 that I
should.  BG was 130 after.  I do take more meds with dinner than I do with
breakfast so that might have something to do with it.

Thanks!
Ozgirl - 22 May 2008 04:37 GMT
> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back
> on the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal,
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> them and sticking them back in my purse until I got home, but that
> doesn't sound like a really good idea.

Toothbrush holders make good temp needle holders. The kind you buy for
camping etc, where they sell the plastic soap containers.

When I was shooting fast acting I would order and the second the food
arrived I would shoot at the table, it can be done very inconspicuously.
5-10 minutes isn't an exact thing.
Julie Bove - 22 May 2008 04:41 GMT
>> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back
>> on the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal,
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> arrived I would shoot at the table, it can be done very inconspicuously.
> 5-10 minutes isn't an exact thing.

No way could I do it under the table.  It takes me a long time to do it and
nobody would want to see my fat stomach.  Plus if I did that in front of my
parents they would have a cow!  My mom doesn't even like me to test in front
of her.
Màck©® - 22 May 2008 05:32 GMT
>No way could I do it under the table.  It takes me a long time to do it and
>nobody would want to see my fat stomach.  Plus if I did that in front of my
>parents they would have a cow!  My mom doesn't even like me to test in front
>of her.

slap your mom.

she should treat it the same way should seeing you brush your hair.
You are diabetic, it's part of you.  

Even my abusive birth mother didn't have a problem with my testing or
injecting out in the open.

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Julie Bove - 22 May 2008 05:50 GMT
>>No way could I do it under the table.  It takes me a long time to do it
>>and
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> she should treat it the same way should seeing you brush your hair.
> You are diabetic, it's part of you.

Brushing hair is another thing we can not do in front of her.

> Even my abusive birth mother didn't have a problem with my testing or
> injecting out in the open.

My mom is really big on rules.  There are just some things you don't do and
you don't question.
Màck©® - 22 May 2008 08:18 GMT
>>>No way could I do it under the table.  It takes me a long time to do it
>>>and
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>My mom is really big on rules.  There are just some things you don't do and
>you don't question.

psst, now that you are adult, you can, even if she makes the rules.

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Julie Bove - 22 May 2008 09:59 GMT
>>>>No way could I do it under the table.  It takes me a long time to do it
>>>>and
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> psst, now that you are adult, you can, even if she makes the rules.

Not in her house.  You do as she says or you don't come back.  She finally
lightened up on the way Angela could wear her hair.  For years she had to
put a clip in it.  She even went out and bought the clips in case she didn't
arrive with one.  I don't know if somebody said something to her or what,
but Angela just insisted one day she wasn't going to wear a clip and did
not.  My mom didn't say a word to her and hasn't since.

We used to fight over Angela's socks when she was younger too.  I'd fold
them over, my mom would pull them up.  Angela would get so annoyed she would
just scrunch them down.  So I left them scrunched.  I figured they were her
socks!  I can see the reason behind some things, but not that.  For some
reason, my mom just thinks all socks should be pulled up.  She even
embroidered my name on my gym socks in such a fashion that the name could
only be read while they were pulled up.  And do you think I wore those
socks?  Not after the first day of gym class.  Gah!
bj - 22 May 2008 16:35 GMT
>> psst, now that you are adult, you can, even if she makes the rules.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> what, but Angela just insisted one day she wasn't going to wear a clip and
> did not.  My mom didn't say a word to her and hasn't since.

Sounds like Angela has some backbone & is learning early how to deal with
her grandmother's foibles.
bj
Julie Bove - 22 May 2008 16:51 GMT
>>> psst, now that you are adult, you can, even if she makes the rules.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Sounds like Angela has some backbone & is learning early how to deal with
> her grandmother's foibles.

Yep.  She sticks up for herself.
Ozgirl - 23 May 2008 03:27 GMT
>>>> psst, now that you are adult, you can, even if she makes the rules.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Yep.  She sticks up for herself.

Excellent!
Ozgirl - 23 May 2008 03:24 GMT
Geez, I'd have told my mum to butt out big time, she would have come back
though - my mother would have wieghed up the pros and cons of trying to rule
my life once I was an adult and parent.  No wonder you find it hard to be
assertive with the medical fraternity.

>>>>> No way could I do it under the table.  It takes me a long time to
>>>>> do it and
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> pulled up.  And do you think I wore those socks?  Not after the first
> day of gym class.  Gah!
Tiger_Lily - 22 May 2008 05:05 GMT
> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on the
> Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming my BG
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Thanks!

whoa, whoa, whoa

you have been told to shoot 1 unit of Novolog for EVERY point you are
over 130?  before you try this, can you get clarification with whomever
told you this! please!

i shoot 1 unit of Humalog for every point over my target goal, but 1 of
MY units is 18 of your units for bg

no, you cannot leave insulin in a frio bag in the car......... the frio
is a passive cooler that relies on evaporation and can only cool the
insulin down from the ambient temperature

i leave the needle on my pen, i just recap the needle with the little
cap, and put the top back on the pen........... my needles are too long
for the pen top to fit, but i DOES fit into the carry case for it :)
the HumaPen (for Humalog) allows me to recap it even with the long needle

good luck on the next adventure on your introduction to insulin.........
here's hoping things go better for you

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Julie Bove - 22 May 2008 05:48 GMT
>> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on
>> the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> a passive cooler that relies on evaporation and can only cool the insulin
> down from the ambient temperature

Ah.  Okay.

> i leave the needle on my pen, i just recap the needle with the little cap,
> and put the top back on the pen........... my needles are too long for the
> pen top to fit, but i DOES fit into the carry case for it :)
> the HumaPen (for Humalog) allows me to recap it even with the long needle

I don't have a carrying case.  I keep everything in a pencil box for  now.

> good luck on the next adventure on your introduction to insulin.........
> here's hoping things go better for you

Thanks!
Tiger_Lily - 23 May 2008 04:13 GMT
>> i leave the needle on my pen, i just recap the needle with the little cap,
>> and put the top back on the pen........... my needles are too long for the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thanks!

my insulin pen comes in a case (hardsided) to keep the pen in (the Novo
case is cloth, but i'm using the old Novo3 case for it

i use a cosmetic bag to throw my diabetes supplies in when i'm heading
out of the house........ the frio goes separately because it needs the
'air to breathe' to cool the insulin
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Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 05:05 GMT
>>> i leave the needle on my pen, i just recap the needle with the little
>>> cap, and put the top back on the pen........... my needles are too long
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> of the house........ the frio goes separately because it needs the 'air to
> breathe' to cool the insulin

I guess I can use another cosmetic bag for the insulin and stuff.

Thanks!
Chris Malcolm - 23 May 2008 12:06 GMT
>>>> i leave the needle on my pen, i just recap the needle with the little
>>>> cap, and put the top back on the pen........... my needles are too long
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>> of the house........ the frio goes separately because it needs the 'air to
>> breathe' to cool the insulin

> I guess I can use another cosmetic bag for the insulin and stuff.

Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
photographic accessories around in :-)

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Tiger_Lily - 23 May 2008 17:18 GMT
>>>>> i leave the needle on my pen, i just recap the needle with the little
>>>>> cap, and put the top back on the pen........... my needles are too long
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
> photographic accessories around in :-)

Chris, they are a very basic cloth bag, with a zipper top, and 2 small
handles on the side of the bag to make it easier to carry

can you sew? find some 'guy' material, sew up the side seams, install
the zipper/handles at the same time, and away you go!

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Chris Malcolm - 25 May 2008 11:16 GMT
>>>> my insulin pen comes in a case (hardsided) to keep the pen in (the Novo
>>>> case is cloth, but i'm using the old Novo3 case for it
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Chris, they are a very basic cloth bag, with a zipper top, and 2 small
> handles on the side of the bag to make it easier to carry

> can you sew? find some 'guy' material, sew up the side seams, install
> the zipper/handles at the same time, and away you go!

Always wished I could sew. My skills are restricted to darning with a
needle and thread. But what you describe sounds just like a simple
small bag without any protective strength or cushioning. I'm a tool
using animal and I like to carry around some heavy stuff. I don't
actually carry a hammer around, but I like to bag my stuff in such a
way that if I did the hammer wouldn't hurt anything else in my bag.

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bj - 23 May 2008 17:59 GMT
> Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
> to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
> women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
> photographic accessories around in :-)

Think of them as bags to protect blokes' sox from getting de-paired in the
laundry, too. :-)

Actually those mesh bags are good for keeping *lots* of things coralled. But
I think the cosmetic bags of interest here aren't the mesh-for-laundry
types -- & they do come in non-girly looks & materials.
bj
Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 21:16 GMT
>> Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
>> to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> But I think the cosmetic bags of interest here aren't the mesh-for-laundry
> types -- & they do come in non-girly looks & materials.

The one I am using currently actually came with some makeup and cosmetics I
never used.  It was a gift and totally the wrong shades for me.  Plus I
seemed to be allergic to some of it.  Anyway, it's a gray and black sort of
suede cloth.  I've been using it for years.  Only thing that broke on it was
the zipper pull, but that was easily replaced.
Alan S - 23 May 2008 23:09 GMT
>> Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
>> to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>types -- & they do come in non-girly looks & materials.
>bj

Good for the palstic lids in dishwashers too - the lids that
used to end up melting on the heating loop at the bottom...

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bj - 24 May 2008 02:45 GMT
> Actually those mesh bags are good for keeping *lots* of things coralled.

> Good for the plastic lids in dishwashers too - the lids that
> used to end up melting on the heating loop at the bottom...

You won't have that problem if you skip using the heat cycle. I can't
remember when I've used mine other than to test the new machine last year.
:-)
bj
Alan S - 24 May 2008 08:00 GMT
>> Good for the plastic lids in dishwashers too - the lids that
>> used to end up melting on the heating loop at the bottom...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>:-)
>bj

No choice on ours, or any dw I've owned here.

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bj - 24 May 2008 18:02 GMT
>>You won't have that problem if you skip using the heat cycle. I can't
>>remember when I've used mine other than to test the new machine last year.
>>:-)
>>bj
>
> No choice on ours, or any dw I've owned here.

Strange. I've had that choice for at least my last two dishwashers (dating
to '96) & I think even before that. With all the emphasis on energy-saving
these days (& that concern is only getting greater, it's not even new), I'd
think that would be one of the settings.
bj
Alice Faber - 24 May 2008 18:23 GMT
> >>You won't have that problem if you skip using the heat cycle. I can't
> >>remember when I've used mine other than to test the new machine last year.
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> think that would be one of the settings.
> bj

I think the variable here might be the expected temperature of hot water
from the tap. If my hot water heater is running hot enough, I don't have
to add heat at the dishwasher. But it would be an energy-saving if I
keep my hot water a little cooler and let the dishwasher boost the
temperature. I suspect that what Alan's saying is that the default in Oz
is that you let the dishwasher provide its own hot water.

And then there's the whole heated dry cycle which is another kettle of
fish.

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bj - 24 May 2008 19:41 GMT
> And then there's the whole heated dry cycle which is another kettle of
> fish.

That's the "heat cycle" I was referring to.
bj
Alice Faber - 24 May 2008 20:28 GMT
> > And then there's the whole heated dry cycle which is another kettle of
> > fish.
>
> That's the "heat cycle" I was referring to.

Yah...I don't think I've *ever* used that one, but I do boost the hot
water temperature.

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Julie Bove - 24 May 2008 20:13 GMT
>> >>You won't have that problem if you skip using the heat cycle. I can't
>> >>remember when I've used mine other than to test the new machine last
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> And then there's the whole heated dry cycle which is another kettle of
> fish.

My dishwasher super heats the water.  I am not sure about the new one but on
the old one I could skip the heated dry.
Alan S - 25 May 2008 00:41 GMT
>> >>You won't have that problem if you skip using the heat cycle. I can't
>> >>remember when I've used mine other than to test the new machine last year.
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>And then there's the whole heated dry cycle which is another kettle of
>fish.

Yep. Only one water fitting on the machine - cold. There are
probably other versions available here; I've just not had
them. But, then again, I didn't get my first dishwasher
until 1999 (came with the house).

Our original dishwashers eventually grew up and left home.

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Chris Malcolm - 25 May 2008 11:22 GMT
>> Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
>> to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
>> women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
>> photographic accessories around in :-)

> Think of them as bags to protect blokes' sox from getting de-paired in the
> laundry, too. :-)

> Actually those mesh bags are good for keeping *lots* of things coralled. But
> I think the cosmetic bags of interest here aren't the mesh-for-laundry
> types -- & they do come in non-girly looks & materials.

Actually I find girly looking stuff to be a useful secondary
protection against theft. Most thieves are young males, and most young
male thieves are terrified of the possibility of being thought to have
girly tendencies.

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bj - 25 May 2008 15:33 GMT
>> Actually those mesh bags are good for keeping *lots* of things coralled.
>> But
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> male thieves are terrified of the possibility of being thought to have
> girly tendencies.

I once gave a pal who worked at a printing company (with mostly but not all
male coworkers) some bright pink scissors & other desk accoutrements. She
could always find them even when they'd walked off somewhere!
bj
Laura@notmy.com - 24 May 2008 15:34 GMT
>Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
>to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
>women's bras in washing machines were ideal for carrying small
>photographic accessories around in :-)

And these days they don't even look girlie if you get the kind that
are clear and designed spcifically for air travel.  Some of them come
pre-filled with the little bottles that are required for carry on now.
Definately not girlie.  Or perhaps try the mens shaving kits.
Priscilla Ballou - 24 May 2008 15:51 GMT
> >Maybe I ought to check out these cosmetic bags. Being a bloke I tend
> >to ignore girly baggery, but I recently found that bags for protecting
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> pre-filled with the little bottles that are required for carry on now.
> Definately not girlie.  Or perhaps try the mens shaving kits.

Camping supply stores.  I've been perusing that kind of catalog in
anticipation of a trip to Kenya in 2009, and there are all kinds of
netting bags for collecting and holding small things.

Priscilla
Anon aka - 22 May 2008 07:09 GMT
> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on
> the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming
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> restaurant because there will be chips.  No problem except that I have to
> deduct the carbs in those chips from my meal.

In a sit-down restaurant, I don't inject until I get my food. Safty first.

> Next thing I don't know.  What do I do with the insulin if I am out?  Just
> put it in my purse?  That's fine unless the temp. exceeds 86%.  It doesn't
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>
> Thanks!
I use the Novolog pens. I keep them in my small bag with my meter and other
supplies. Just don't leave it in a hot car.

I'm hope you do better, your numbers were disterbingly high.

Anon aka
Julie Bove - 22 May 2008 07:57 GMT
>> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on
>> the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming
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>
> Anon aka

The bag that holds my meter is too small.  Guess I will have to somehow put
it in my purse.
Nicky - 22 May 2008 13:10 GMT
>Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on the
>Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming my BG
>is in range.  

Excellent! Here's hoping it works better for you.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
ted rosenberg - 23 May 2008 05:24 GMT
> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on the
> Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming my BG
> is in range.  Range being 90-130.  If it is above that, I am to use an
> additional unit for every point.  Oh great!  Math was never my strong point.
>  
NO WAY - should be no more than 1 unit for every 4 points, unless you
have a record to what will not make you hypo
> It says to inject it 5 to 10 minutes prior to eating.  That's easy enough to
> do at home.  But what do I do when I am at a restaurant?  How will I know
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> carbs in those chips from my meal.
>  

BFD, if you don't eat in an hour to an hour and a half, eat
something.    I haven't re-read the insert recently, but the info I have
says "15 mins to an hour before eating"
> Next thing I don't know.  What do I do with the insulin if I am out?  Just
> put it in my purse?  That's fine unless the temp. exceeds 86%.  It doesn't
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>
>  
well, one thing to do is to use the smallest pen available.  Then don't
worry about the heat, just subtract extra days from the life.

You can either  mainly keep it in an air conditioned area, or use a
small lunch cold pack

The Frio is for long journey's.  I have a whole bunch of Blue Ice in my
freezer, When I was going to have to  expose my Insulin to heat for any
length of time, I took a bunch of it out and wrapped the insulin in it.  
zIt would stay cold for at least 24 hours

As to using thee pen. I quietly use it in public and only ONCE has any
one noticed that didn't already know I was going to shoot up

I do shoot right through my shirt, and that means I sometimes get a
small  blood stain on my shirt.  If I check shortly after, I can remove
it with a napkin and cold water.
Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 06:13 GMT
>> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on
>> the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> NO WAY - should be no more than 1 unit for every 4 points, unless you have
> a record to what will not make you hypo

Yes.  That was a typo.  1 unit for every 30 points.

>> It says to inject it 5 to 10 minutes prior to eating.  That's easy enough
>> to do at home.  But what do I do when I am at a restaurant?  How will I
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I haven't re-read the insert recently, but the info I have says "15 mins
> to an hour before eating"

Mine says eat within 5 to 10 minutes of injecting.

>> Next thing I don't know.  What do I do with the insulin if I am out?
>> Just put it in my purse?  That's fine unless the temp. exceeds 86%.  It
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> well, one thing to do is to use the smallest pen available.  Then don't
> worry about the heat, just subtract extra days from the life.

I think it only comes in one size.

> You can either  mainly keep it in an air conditioned area, or use a small
> lunch cold pack

Air conditioning is not common ohere.

> The Frio is for long journey's.  I have a whole bunch of Blue Ice in my
> freezer, When I was going to have to  expose my Insulin to heat for any
> length of time, I took a bunch of it out and wrapped the insulin in it.
> zIt would stay cold for at least 24 hours

Oh, okay.

> As to using thee pen. I quietly use it in public and only ONCE has any one
> noticed that didn't already know I was going to shoot up
>
> I do shoot right through my shirt, and that means I sometimes get a small
> blood stain on my shirt.  If I check shortly after, I can remove it with a
> napkin and cold water.

I don't think I am adept enough at doing that.  The nurse advised me not to
shoot through my clothes.  And because I have to use the alcohol swab first,
that would mean exposing my flabby stomach and nobody wants to see that!

Thanks!
Nicky - 23 May 2008 08:36 GMT
>I don't think I am adept enough at doing that.  The nurse advised me not to
>shoot through my clothes.  And because I have to use the alcohol swab first,
>that would mean exposing my flabby stomach and nobody wants to see that!

Is the alcohol swab necessary? I thought it was the same story as
people being told to swab fingers before testing.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 08:38 GMT
>>I don't think I am adept enough at doing that.  The nurse advised me not
>>to
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> Is the alcohol swab necessary? I thought it was the same story as
> people being told to swab fingers before testing.

The information that comes with it says to use it and you also have to use
it on the rubber stopper on the pen.  I don't use it on my fingers.
RodS - 23 May 2008 08:55 GMT
>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that.  The nurse advised me not
>>> to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> The information that comes with it says to use it and you also have to use
> it on the rubber stopper on the pen.  I don't use it on my fingers.

2 months in hospital 2 injections a day they NEVER used a swab for my
insulin when I asked about it I was told that it toughens up the skin
which is why they avoid using it.

 (- -)
=m=(_)=m=
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Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 09:11 GMT
>>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that.  The nurse advised me
>>>> not to
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> insulin when I asked about it I was told that it toughens up the skin
> which is why they avoid using it.

But you still have to use it on the pen.
ted rosenberg - 23 May 2008 12:25 GMT
>  
>>    
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> But you still have to use it on the pen.
>  
NEVER USE IT ON THE PEN!
Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 15:50 GMT
> NEVER USE IT ON THE PEN!

The prescribing information for both pens says to use it on the rubber
stopper.
Tiger_Lily - 23 May 2008 17:19 GMT
>> NEVER USE IT ON THE PEN!
>
> The prescribing information for both pens says to use it on the rubber
> stopper.

nope........... we don't

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Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 17:43 GMT
>>> NEVER USE IT ON THE PEN!
>>
>> The prescribing information for both pens says to use it on the rubber
>> stopper.
> nope........... we don't

Hmmm...
ted rosenberg - 23 May 2008 12:23 GMT
>  
>>
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>
>  
Yea, and that benefits the people who sell it, not you
Alcohol is BAD for rubber, and, why are you changing needles?  a needle
lasts me about two weeks, then it bends.  Bend once, and it needs replacing
Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 15:50 GMT
> Yea, and that benefits the people who sell it, not you
> Alcohol is BAD for rubber, and, why are you changing needles?  a needle
> lasts me about two weeks, then it bends.  Bend once, and it needs
> replacing

The nurse said to change them and the prescribing information said to change
them.  I didn't change them twice.  First time no problem.  Second time BIG
problem.  I do think I bent the needle though.
Tiger_Lily - 23 May 2008 17:16 GMT
>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that.  The nurse advised me not
>>> to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> The information that comes with it says to use it and you also have to use
> it on the rubber stopper on the pen.  I don't use it on my fingers.

nah, again it does nothing to sterilize the rubber stopper on the
cartridge, and once the cartridge is in the pen WHAT touches the rubber
stopper? the pen is kept closed at all times

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Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 17:44 GMT
>>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that.  The nurse advised me
>>>> not to
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> cartridge, and once the cartridge is in the pen WHAT touches the rubber
> stopper? the pen is kept closed at all times

Except when in use.
Tiger_Lily - 23 May 2008 19:08 GMT
>>>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that.  The nurse advised me
>>>>> not to
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Except when in use.

ya, and when in use, can anything come in contact with the rubber
stopper??? doesn't the needle tip cover that?

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Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 21:14 GMT
> ya, and when in use, can anything come in contact with the rubber
> stopper??? doesn't the needle tip cover that?

Well, I am setting it down while I fiddle with the alcohol swab and the
needle.
Ozgirl - 23 May 2008 09:26 GMT
>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that.  The nurse advised me
>> not to shoot through my clothes.  And because I have to use the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Is the alcohol swab necessary? I thought it was the same story as
> people being told to swab fingers before testing.

I was told by the diabetic educator not to swab for injections or testing.
Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 15:48 GMT
>>> I don't think I am adept enough at doing that.  The nurse advised me
>>> not to shoot through my clothes.  And because I have to use the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I was told by the diabetic educator not to swab for injections or testing.

I was told TO do it for the injection.  Not testing.
Tiger_Lily - 23 May 2008 17:15 GMT
>>> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back on
>>> the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal, assuming
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>
> Thanks!

Julie i NEVER use an alcohol swab in the skin that i'm going to inject
into............ it does NOTHING to clean the skin, and it does cause
the skin to toughen

i forget, but it was something like a 15 min bath in alcohol was
necessary to kill any surface bacteria/bugs/germs/strep/blah blah blah

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Julie Bove - 23 May 2008 17:44 GMT
>>>> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back
>>>> on the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal,
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
> i forget, but it was something like a 15 min bath in alcohol was necessary
> to kill any surface bacteria/bugs/germs/strep/blah blah blah

Hmmm...
Tiger_Lily - 23 May 2008 17:13 GMT
>> Okay, so...  This is what I've been prescribed now.  I am to cut back
>> on the Lantus to 46 units and shoot in 6 units of Novolog per meal,
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> small  blood stain on my shirt.  If I check shortly after, I can remove
> it with a napkin and cold water.
the frio is just so much easier to tend to than the blue ice is
and you don't have to have a styrofoam pack to hold the insulin in :)

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