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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / May 2008Bad reaction to insulin? Hypo?
What a trip I have just been on! And not a good one at that. First let me back up to yesterday because I'm not sure if it's related or not. I had to do two injections because there wasn't enough in my first pen. And I forgot to take the new pen out of the refrigerator when I was supposed to. But it was a hot day so I figured it would warm up quickly. I noticed that there was a spot of blood after the first shot. And the second one hurt pretty badly but I thought perhaps this was just because the insulin wasn't at room temp. Then a little while later, I felt a trickle down my tummy. I lifted my shirt and saw blood dripping from the first injection site. The second injection site had a large red welt on it, sort of like a hive. Now today, I thought it was all over. All looked normal. But then tonight I noticed a large spot of blood on my white nightgown in the exact spot where that first injection was. I don't know when that happened! I didn't have the nightgown on when I injected. I put it on when I went to bed and didn't change into clothes today because it was hot again and I was going to be doing housework all day. I think if the spot had been there earlier, Angela would have said something or I would have seen it. The spot didn't feel wet though. Now on to tonight. Ate dinner. Rice vermicelli pasta, peas, green beans and chicken breast all mixed together. I had one cup total and deliberately picked out less of the vermicelli, which was a good thing because it turned out being totally tasteless. My numbers today were... 179 when I woke up. 253 before lunch. 305 before dinner. Then 220 at 9:50 when I did my insulin. I am not currently testing after I eat because the nurse said at this point it serves no purpose. I upped my insulin tonight to 58 (from 50) units. Injected it and continued on doing stuff on my computer. Then all of a sudden I realized I was going to pass out. Am not sure what time this was. Didn't look at the clock. Came over all hot and sweaty and very sick to my stomach and dizzy. Like a hypo, but also like the reaction I had the last two times I accidentally ate an allergen. I made all my meals from scratch today so I knew it wasn't an allergen. I put my head down on the computer desk because that's all I could do. I don't know how long I was that was for. When I came to, I was still feeling super bad. The clock said it was 10:15. I assumed I was having a hypo, so I fumbled around for my meter and managed to test, but it was at 156. So... It didn't seem like a hypo unless maybe I had a liver dump while I was out of it. I was still really sick and managed to get into bed. But I couldn't stay there. I began having severe cramps in the area where I did the injection tonight and also in my legs. Both the fronts and backs of them. I had to stand up to ease the cramping, but my legs were like rubber, forcing me back to the bed. My stomach was so sick I thought I would lose it from one end to the other. Staggered into the bathroom where I had sudden diarrhea. Back to bed. Also felt like my tongue was totally dried out, but when I felt it, it felt wet. Also felt like I was struggling to breathe. Managed to wake up Angela. She got me some blue ice. She said I felt cold, although I was covered in sweat. Used the blue ice on the cramping areas and finally got to where I could lie down and rest. Don't remember falling asleep, but I must have because before I knew it, it was 11:15. Got up and felt better although am still somewhat shaky. Bit of a headache. And now my hand/fingers are cramping. If I move my fingers, they sometimes get pulled in towards the palms of my hands and I have to use my other hand to pry them back up. Arms feel kind of crampy too. Tested my BG and it was 80. Am eating two bean tacos because I don't want to drop down any lower what with the way I feel and all. I just don't know what to think. Has anyone had something like this happen before? I am going to call the nurse in the morning. I was supposed to anyway. I just hope I never feel this crappy again! >What a trip I have just been on! And not a good one at that. > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] >before? I am going to call the nurse in the morning. I was supposed to >anyway. I just hope I never feel this crappy again! Julie, you're scaring me. I know we spar at times - but I care. Please, please listen to the people here who have been suggesting you find a doctor and nurse that will really look at you properly. to test you properly, diagnose you properly, and treat you properly. It may cost a lot. But if you don't get this sorted, it's going to cost a lot more to stay with the ones you are with. You've been here longer than I. I just find it incredible that you can write this and not see some of the problem: "I am not currently testing after I eat because the nurse said at this point it serves no purpose." "My numbers today were... 179 when I woke up. 253 before lunch. 305 before dinner. Then 220 at 9:50 when I did my insulin." "Tested my BG and it was 80. Am eating two bean tacos because I don't want to drop down any lower what with the way I feel and all." Please get a qualified second opinion; a specialist who will look at ALL of your symptoms and problems as a whole. Don't keep telling us why you can't. Find a way you can. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com > Julie, you're scaring me. I know we spar at times - but I > care. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > at you properly. to test you properly, diagnose you > properly, and treat you properly. It's not just a matter of money. There is only one other Endo. in this area. My SIL has been to him and she says he is not good. I believe her. I have not even called to see if he takes my insurance, because of what she said. This Dr. I am seeing is highly recommended. The local hospital says he is the best. He has a high rating at the rate a doc site. > It may cost a lot. But if you don't get this sorted, it's > going to cost a lot more to stay with the ones you are with. There IS no other Endo. here. > You've been here longer than I. I just find it incredible > that you can write this and not see some of the problem: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Please get a qualified second opinion; a specialist who will > look at ALL of your symptoms and problems as a whole. If there WAS one I would. There is not. The one I am seeing is not even in this city. > Don't keep telling us why you can't. Find a way you can. Well, I can't just make a Dr. magically appear. As for the testing, I believe what she says is right. When I was testing before and after eating, there was little to no variation. Most of the time the numbers were exactly the same, and if they weren't they were well within the range of error of the meter. The only thing I am trying to do now is get my fasting BG down to >150. That hasn't happened yet. The nurse agrees that my numbers throughout the day are too high and she wants something done about that, but... It seems standard protocol is to get the fasting numbers down first. >There IS no other Endo. here. How far is it to the nearest major city and how long does it take to fly there? Or by train or bus or car? Unless things have changed a lot, I thought US military and dependants had access to cheap means of travel by air, rail and bus - am I incorrect there? I don't suggest you do anything I'm not prepared to do myself. My GP is local down the road; my periodontist is 140km round trip, and my haemotologist is in Brisbane, 240km round trip (I usually book a motel for the night). When an expat Aussie CLL specialist (one of the world's top) came home for a seminar three years ago I flew 2000km to Melbourne to hear him speak at a 2 hour seminar. It was worth it for just one small thing he said to me. Sure, easy for me to say, I can afford that. Not really, but I've changed the priorities in my life. But even if I couldn't afford it I'd find a way. If planes cost too much there are trains, buses. For three or four visits a year is it really going to cost that much? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com >>There IS no other Endo. here. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > dependants had access to cheap means of travel by air, rail > and bus - am I incorrect there? Ha! No. We don't get any cheaper fare than the rest of the people. Years ago they had something called a MAC (sp?) flight. This was prior to me being married to a military person. I don't know a lot about it but I think it only applied for you to fly from one military air facility to another. You were given like 2 hours notice and there was no guarantee that you would wind up where you wanted to go because that plane could be rerouted at any time. I do not know if it was free or a cheap price. But that is no longer. I am not about to fly somewhere. That would be ridiculous, plus not feasible. I can only drive for about 20 minutes at a time so that limits where I can go. If I try to push it further, my legs cramp and I risk having an accident. I can not take a bus because that involves a lot of walking and I am disabled. We do not have a good bus system here. > I don't suggest you do anything I'm not prepared to do > myself. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > him speak at a 2 hour seminar. It was worth it for just one > small thing he said to me. I don't know what those distances mean. It takes about an hour (sometimes less if the traffic is right) to get to my Endo. I get a ride there. It would be very difficult for my to drive myself that far. I could easily get to the one in Edmonds, but as I said, I have heard he is not good. I can not stay the night someplace to go to a Dr. I have a child who is in school. I have to be here to make her meals and such. And get her off to school. If I went somewhere that would mean pulling her out of school to take her with me. It's not as if my husband can just take off work to care for her. They are short staffed enough the way it is. Plus, he would be incapable of making a meal for her because he doesn't understand her food allergies and the only thing he knows how to cook is eggs. > Sure, easy for me to say, I can afford that. Not really, but > I've changed the priorities in my life. But even if I > couldn't afford it I'd find a way. If planes cost too much > there are trains, buses. Again, not feasible here. There is a train from Edmonds that goes to Canada. I can not fly somewhere. That would be just foolish. I suppose if I had some sort of rare something or other and there were no other specialist, then I would have no choice. But that is not the case. > For three or four visits a year is it really going to cost > that much? If they don't take my insurance, yeah! Again... I am seeing the most highly rated Endo. in the area. The protocol he has me on seems to be the standard thing. I have spent hours on the Internet researching this. I can not see that he is doing anything wrong or out of the norm. Could be there is more testing that needs to be done. I can't say. I did turn up that the reason I get the welt from the second injection is likely that I reused the needle. Everything I have read has told me not to do that. The nurse told me not to do it but said I *could* reuse it up to 4 times in the case of an emergency. Last time I had to do two shots, I reused the needle with no problem. But it seems that was not the case here. Most likely I bent the needle on the first shot, causing the bleeding. And the bent needle then caused the swelling as it went in. At least that problem is solved. Almost every city has ride services for the disabled and or elderly...in minnesota we got like 4 diffrent types..all they ask is you call a day ahead to let them know where you wish to go and when to pick you up. All free...and in areas they dont service you can get cab vouchers from the local human services office as long as the rides to and from a dr appointment. Call your local human services office and get some info. KROM >>>There IS no other Endo. here. >> [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > bleeding. And the bent needle then caused the swelling as it went in. At > least that problem is solved. > Almost every city has ride services for the disabled and or elderly...in > minnesota we got like 4 diffrent types..all they ask is you call a day [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Call your local human services office and get some info. Here you can get services if you are elderly and only to certain places. I don't know about disabled. And the services are not necessarily free. My friend's mom used to use one such and it was $50 per ride, round trip. You really seem set to poo poo ANY idea anyone offers without even looking into to what could very well help.. i said they give rides to disabled and OR the elderly..you ARE disabled so yes YOU would qualify for the ride services and you wont know until you check...youd be shocked how many services there are available. Even having a special needs child etc gets you the rides..as i said there at least four services in my area alone and the only qualification you need is a doctors office confirming you are diabetic..type doesnt matter...so no you dont have to wait on yer doctors appointment etc all u gotta do is open your phone book first page is human services..call and they will send u a form to fill where u put yer doctors office number..thats it. HTH KROM >> Almost every city has ride services for the disabled and or elderly...in >> minnesota we got like 4 diffrent types..all they ask is you call a day [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I don't know about disabled. And the services are not necessarily free. > My friend's mom used to use one such and it was $50 per ride, round trip. > You really seem set to poo poo ANY idea anyone offers without even looking > into to what could very well help.. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > they will send u a form to fill where u put yer doctors office > number..thats it. You all are missing what I am saying. If there is no other Dr. to go to, then a ride isn't going to help me. >> You really seem set to poo poo ANY idea anyone offers without even >> looking into to what could very well help.. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > You all are missing what I am saying. If there is no other Dr. to go > to, then a ride isn't going to help me. Mandana Ahmadian - Bellevue, Endo Peter Capell - Bellevue, Endo Gary Enzmann - Bellevue, Endo Deborah Golob - Bellevue, Endo Thomas Hamilton - Bellevue, Endo Michael Magee - Bellevue, Endo Claire Waltman - Bellevue, Endo Bellevue, about 15 miles from Bothell Joohee Kim - Edmonds, Endo Rama Eachempati - Edmonds, Endo Edmonds, about 15-20 miles from Bothell Anthony Desantis - Kirkland, Endo Joseph Saitta - Kirkland, Endo Edward La Cava - Kirkland, Endo Kirkland, about 7 miles from Bothell Elizabeth White - Lynnwood, Endo Lynnwood, about 7 miles from Bothell >>> You really seem set to poo poo ANY idea anyone offers without even >>> looking into to what could very well help.. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Elizabeth White - Lynnwood, Endo > Lynnwood, about 7 miles from Bothell I have no clue how to get to Bellevue or Kirkland. Edmonds is only 9 miles from here. I don't know where those figures came from and I don't recognize either of those names but they sound foreign and that's never a good thing IMO. Don't know about the one in Lynnwood, but I will look it up. >>>> You really seem set to poo poo ANY idea anyone offers without even >>>> looking into to what could very well help.. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > I have no clue how to get to Bellevue or Kirkland. Both on the same highway that runs through Bothell. Edmonds is only 9 > miles from here. I don't know where those figures came from and I > don't recognize either of those names but they sound foreign and > that's never a good thing IMO. Don't know about the one in Lynnwood, > but I will look it up. Foreign doesn't mean they are bad doctors. They still have to be qualified to a standard acceptable to the US or anywhere else. >>>>> You really seem set to poo poo ANY idea anyone offers without even >>>>> looking into to what could very well help.. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Foreign doesn't mean they are bad doctors. They still have to be qualified > to a standard acceptable to the US or anywhere else. But the ones I have seen do not speak English well enough to understand me, for the most part. My GP on Staten Island was foreign, and he understood me, but I couldn't always understand him. He kept telling me, "That does not impress me!" I thought he meant it was a problem, but he meant the opposite. I have been to many others who had little command of the English language so things didn't go so well. >> Edmonds is only 9 >>> miles from here. I don't know where those figures came from and I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >I have been to many others who had little command of the English language so >things didn't go so well. Enough. Really Julie, this is silly. And sad. If you can't handle tough love, stop reading right here. But I'll be so sad if you do. A good friend from half-way 'round the world has done the work for you that you should, and could, have done for yourself. Jan was able to give you a list to work with and you say "I have no clue how to get to Bellevue or Kirkland." Maybe her list is no good, maybe it is great - but you will never know if you never try to find out. So bloody well find out. Look up Google Maps Get out the phone book. Ring their receptionists. Ask if they are foreign if that really worries you (the best doctor I've had recently treated my leg wound in Hong Kong; I didn't ask if he was foreign, I felt that the possibility of septicaemia was going to put a significant cramp in my wanders around the Taj Mahal). Ask how far away they are, what busline they are on, what they charge, find out the cab-fare, what transport and other services are available to you, ask...whatever you need to to find the one that will save your life. Find out. Stop assuming. Stop moaning. Do the bloody work - find out. Here you use the need to care for your daughter as an excuse to not see a doctor: "I have a child who is in school. I have to be here to make her meals and such". But if you don't see that doctor are you sure you will be able to continue to do that? For how long? And have you any idea of the impression you are giving us of your husband? I won't elaborate much on that, but it sure isn't good. If he's overseas, that's fair enough. But if he's not, I could not live with myself if my wife was going through this and I could not make the time to sort things out. And don't give me any nonsense about the military - some things are the same all over the world and I was in the RAAF for 20 years. So I hope that things aren't really as you paint them, I really do. OK. I know you'll never speak to me again. I'm sorry about that - but I felt it had to be said. Be well, and please, after the anger dies a little, at least think a little about what I just wrote. Best wishes, Alan, T2, Australia. > Enough. > > Really Julie, this is silly. And sad. Whatever. > If you can't handle tough love, stop reading right here. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > yourself. Jan was able to give you a list to work with and > you say "I have no clue how to get to Bellevue or Kirkland." Did I ask for another Dr? And just because there is a Dr. does not mean they take my insurance. I don't know how it is where you are. But here, if they do not take your insurance, it is not likely they will see you at all. If you can afford to go to them. I will not go to Kirkland. My GP tried to send me there for a mammogram. I refused. I got mine done in Edmonds at a place I know how to get to. > Maybe her list is no good, maybe it is great - but you will > never know if you never try to find out. Not going to try it out. > So bloody well find out. > > Look up Google Maps Don't do maps. Never could figure out how to read them. > Get out the phone book. Don't have a phone book for those areas. > Ring their receptionists. Nope. > Ask if they are foreign if that really worries you (the best > doctor I've had recently treated my leg wound in Hong Kong; > I didn't ask if he was foreign, I felt that the possibility > of septicaemia was going to put a significant cramp in my > wanders around the Taj Mahal). Okay... > Ask how far away they are, > what busline they are on, \ *I* am not on a bus line. I told you the bus service here is terrible. The people who owned this house before me sold it for that very reason. > what they charge, They do not tell you WHAT they charge. How could they when there are so many different types of visits? > find out the cab-fare, More than I could pay. Again, cabs are not common here. > what transport and other services are available to you, Doubt they would know that. > ask...whatever you need to to find the one that will save > your life. Now you're being unneccessarily dire, IMO. > Find out. > > Stop assuming. Stop moaning. Do the bloody work - find out. Stop being so damned patronizing! I asked one question. If anyone had those symptoms. I now know it was a virus. Angela has it today. I assumed it was from the insulin because it happened right after I injected it. I was wrong. > Here you use the need to care for your daughter as an excuse > to not see a doctor: "I have a child who is in school. I > have to be here to make her meals and such". But if you > don't see that doctor are you sure you will be able to > continue to do that? For how long? Blah, blah, blah. > And have you any idea of the impression you are giving us of > your husband? I won't elaborate much on that, but it sure [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > RAAF for 20 years. So I hope that things aren't really as > you paint them, I really do. I don't really care WHAT you think of him. And that's you. That's not him. > OK. I know you'll never speak to me again. I'm sorry about > that - but I felt it had to be said. > > Be well, and please, after the anger dies a little, at least > think a little about what I just wrote. I am not angry. >> Maybe her list is no good, maybe it is great - but you will >> never know if you never try to find out. >> >Not going to try it out. I can't handle this. You have a death-wish. 'bye Julie. I'll see you by proxy, in other's replies. I'm really sorry to say that. Alan, T2, Australia. >>> Maybe her list is no good, maybe it is great - but you will >>> never know if you never try to find out. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'm really sorry to say that. Whatever. On 5/20/08 3:20 PM, in article bjj634l4tb3ncm7kclb0ug6i0mmeqdqnl1@4ax.com, >>> Maybe her list is no good, maybe it is great - but you will >>> never know if you never try to find out. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Alan, T2, Australia. Add me to the list. I agree with you.  SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia > On 5/20/08 3:20 PM, in article bjj634l4tb3ncm7kclb0ug6i0mmeqdqnl1@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > Add me to the list. I agree with you. Fine! > Add me to the list. I agree with you. There is no list, just a bunch of sanctimony. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > >> Add me to the list. I agree with you. > > There is no list, just a bunch of sanctimony. Thanks. >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Susan Would you mind expanding on that please. I hope I'm misunderstanding you. Alan, T2, Australia. > I can't handle this. That's your shortcoming. >> You have a death-wish. This was rude, unfounded and a slap at someone whose shoes you've never walked in. > 'bye Julie. I'll see you by proxy, in other's replies. > > I'm really sorry to say that. If you were sorry, you wouldn't have said it. Whatever keeps Julie from taking certain steps or making the changes others (including me at times) would like to see her make at times, it's her business. Susan Susan wrote in message >Whatever keeps Julie from taking certain steps or making the changes >others (including me at times) would like to see her make at times, it's >her business. > >Susan Heard that. I don't have any of the conditions (other than diabetes) that Julie has, so I can't comment on many of her health problems, but I definitely sympathize with them. Cheri >Susan wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Cheri So do I. If I didn't care I'd never have written what I did. But sympathy is an emotion that apples to things like death and taxes; when nothing can be done. There are things which can be done in this case. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com > But sympathy is an emotion that apples to things like death > and taxes; when nothing can be done. Yours is, maybe. There are things which > can be done in this case. You've made it clear that your compassion is conditional. Nuff said. Susan >> But sympathy is an emotion that apples to things like death >> and taxes; when nothing can be done All individuals decide for themselves what they can and cannot do Alan, and someone doesn't have to bend to my will for me to be sympathetic to their plight. You put your best information out there, and people decide what they want to do with it, or even if it is the best information for them. No reason to take it personally if they don't IMO. :-) Cheri > So do I. If I didn't care I'd never have written what I did. > > But sympathy is an emotion that apples to things like death > and taxes; when nothing can be done. There are things which > can be done in this case. You seem to be saying that your compassion is conditional. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > This was rude, unfounded and a slap at someone whose shoes you've never > walked in. Thanks. >> 'bye Julie. I'll see you by proxy, in other's replies. >> >> I'm really sorry to say that. > > If you were sorry, you wouldn't have said it. My thoughts exactly. > Whatever keeps Julie from taking certain steps or making the changes > others (including me at times) would like to see her make at times, it's > her business. Thanks. >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Susan OK. Now I understand what you meant. I don't agree, but I'll leave it there. Arguing further on that point will not lead to either of us changing our minds and, more importantly, will not help Julie. Alan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >others (including me at times) would like to see her make at times, it's >her business. Indeed it is, and I, for one, will leave her to her own business. She will handle it in her own way, with or without me reading her posts or replying to them. Signatureroses are #FF0000 violets are #0000FF all my base are belong to you >>> Edmonds is only 9 >>>> miles from here. I don't know where those figures came from and I [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > >Best wishes, Alan, T2, Australia. At the risk of being accused of posting psycho-babble -- the term "learned helplessness" comes to mind. I've read about animals (and rescued a few) that have been so beaten down, they won't even try to walk across a room to solve a problem if they think their situation is futile. It's a sad situation, and one that, unfortunately, is much easier to address in dogs than people. <<sigh>> Those names arent especially foreign on this list and again you cant possibly know if they are good if you dont try..ozgirls point is shes 25000 miles away and can find 12 endos well withing your two hour drive limit... But meh its yer life and health..if your not going to try..thats your choice.. KROM >>> You all are missing what I am saying. If there is no other Dr. to go >>> to, then a ride isn't going to help me. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > good thing IMO. Don't know about the one in Lynnwood, but I will look it > up. > <<sigh>> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > But meh its yer life and health..if your not going to try..thats your > choice.. Just because she found 12 Endos. doesn't mean any one of them takes my insurance. I can not go to one that does not. And I am unwilling to try another foreign sounding name unless I have no choice. I do not have a two hour drive limit. Not by a long shot. That would not be at all feasible. I said 20 minutes! As I said before... I am going to the most highly rated Endo. in the area. >> <<sigh>> >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >As I said before... I am going to the most highly rated Endo. in the area. And how's that working out for you, Julie? For the most part, I don't bother responding to you, because you turn up your nose at any idea presented to you. It's too bad, really, because I and the rest of us, care. It pains us to see you respond the way you do. It sounds a lot like you'd rather wallow in self-pity until you are beyond recovery. Signatureroses are #FF0000 violets are #0000FF all my base are belong to you > And how's that working out for you, Julie? Very well thank you. I am off the thyroid meds for the first time in years! This is the 4th Endo. I've seen and the only one who has listened to me. > For the most part, I don't bother responding to you, because you turn > up your nose at any idea presented to you. It's too bad, really, > because I and the rest of us, care. It pains us to see you respond the > way you do. It sounds a lot like you'd rather wallow in self-pity > until you are beyond recovery. Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I didn't. I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't ask people for ideas. That's just not my style. >> And how's that working out for you, Julie? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't ask >people for ideas. That's just not my style. Does that seem like a sound reason for ignoring them? I'm done reading your postings. Signatureroses are #FF0000 violets are #0000FF all my base are belong to you >>> And how's that working out for you, Julie? >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I'm done reading your postings. Whatever. On 5/19/08 11:08 PM, in article eVtYj.56$5H5.23@trndny02, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote: >> And how's that working out for you, Julie? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't ask > people for ideas. That's just not my style. I don't know why, but I am going to have one last go at waking you up. Alan tried tough love. I'm going to try the ultimate tough love. You say you love your daughter and it is very evident you do. You say you are the only one who knows how to feed and look after her. You take her for dancing lessons and obviously take very good care of her. You said you couldn't spend a night away from her because your husband can't cook anything but eggs. You also say he can't take time off from work because they are short handed. Now, I hit you between the eyes! What if you are walking across the street and are hit by a car and taken to hospital with serious injuries. Or worse still, are killed. Who is going to look after Angela then? You had better teach your husband how to look after her, because one day he could be forced to. I'm now going to take this to your current problem. If you don't get help to get your insulin under control, you can end up in hospital without ever having time to make arrangements for Angela. If you go in in a coma, nobody is going to check to see if your insurance works or if it close to home. Or if you have someone you have to care. They'll find that out later. And remember you can die from ketoacidosis just as easily as by a car. For heavens sake woman, quit feeling sorry for yourself and worry about getting well for your family. I know you have many problems, but there are times we must rise above them to not only care for ourselves but for those around us. As a last comment, why does it take you 2 hours to go from Bothell to Seattle? I can go from Vancouver (25 miles north of the Canada/US border) to Federal Way south of Seattle in 3 hours. That includes sitting at a dug up dysfunctional border. It may be painful; it may be uncomfortable but you can do it if you want to. SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia > On 5/19/08 11:08 PM, in article eVtYj.56$5H5.23@trndny02, "Julie Bove" > <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > forced > to. Then if he is forced to, he will have to. But now there is nothing *I* can teach him and I am really getting sick of this unwanted advice! > I'm now going to take this to your current problem. If you don't get help > to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > if you have someone you have to care. They'll find that out later. And > remember you can die from ketoacidosis just as easily as by a car. I do not think I can get ketoacidocis, unless perhaps I am really a type 1 and given my body type and the length of time I've had diabetes, I do not thing so. > For heavens sake woman, quit feeling sorry for yourself and worry about > getting well for your family. I know you have many problems, but there are > times we must rise above them to not only care for ourselves but for those > around us. I am not feeling sorry for myself and I laugh at your statement because I don't believe in God. > As a last comment, why does it take you 2 hours to go from Bothell to > Seattle? I can go from Vancouver (25 miles north of the Canada/US border) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can > do it if you want to. I do not drive on the freeway. > Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I didn't. > I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't ask > people for ideas. That's just not my style. I sympathize. There have been times on newsgroups when I was just venting or sharing and got piled on with advice. Made me crazy and people couldn't understand why I was telling them to leave me alone. Some people are so solution oriented that they can't see how to do anything else, and when you're not looking for solutions, it can be horribly annoying to be inundated with them. At the same time, it can be very hard for one to see a person starving when one can see food within a distance from them that one could reach -- so why can't they? One assumes the starving person can reach that far, too, and the frustration can reach a peak if one doesn't listen to the person when they say, "I cannot reach that far." It takes a huge amount of detachment to recognize that the person cannot envision or do what one can easily envision or even do. Sometimes one cannot do anything other than watch someone starve to death. It's sad, but it may not be possible for everyone to do what everyone else thinks would solve their problems. Then one has to choose to watch or turn away. The most compassionate thing to do is to offer to hold their hand as they die of starvation, but most are not strong enough for that. Then again, if one sticks around, sometimes the starving person figures out how to reach that food they thought they couldn't. Priscilla >> Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I >> didn't. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Then again, if one sticks around, sometimes the starving person figures > out how to reach that food they thought they couldn't. That is true too. When I was growing up, my mom had a fear of driving. At first she could not do it at all. But my brother had serious medical problems and came close to dying on many occasions. Or so I was told. She decided she needed to learn to drive to get him to the Dr. so my dad didn't have to take off of work. She managed to do this okay, I guess, when we lived in Wichita. Then we moved to WA. No more driving on slow country roads. There were busy roads to cross and cross them she would not. Nor would she drive on the freeway. So unless my dad drove us somewhere, we learned to live in a little square of about 2 or maybe 3 miles from our house. Our Drs. and dentists were there, and for a while we had a dept. and dime store nearby. Plenty of grocery and drug stores. And my dad was born to shop so on the weekends we went to whatever other places she needed to go and couldn't get to. So perhaps because of my mother's attitude and the way she freaked out at the mere thought of driving somewhere out of her comfort zone, this sort of thing seems perfectly normal to me. I have four friends who all feel this same way. For the most part we stay within a few miles of our houses and can pretty much manage to get what we need there. Or occasionally get someone to give us a ride somewhere else. We have one mutual friend who loves to drive and doesn't mind driving long distances, but going anywhere with her is risky. She does not take care of her car and it has been known to break down in bad places. Plus she works two jobs and finding a time when she could give someone a ride is not very likely. None of us see each other in person much any more. Why? We all (for various reasons) live in different cities. When we met, we all lived in Seattle. Now none of us do. When I moved back here from NY, I asked my friend who lives in Everett if she knew where my Endo. was located. She did not. It was not near her condo. and she had never been to that part of the city. Luckily my dad figured it out since he worked in that city and knew it pretty well. My address is in Bothell, but I am just a hop skip and a yodel from Mill Creek. I know that the next city over from Mill Creek is Everett. So I kept asking my friend if she was anywhere near that? She didn't know and implied that it was far away. She wanted to meet me somewhere for lunch but she didn't know how we were going to do this because I didn't know anywhere in Everett (not in the area where she lived anyway) and she didn't know Mill Creek at all. So I attempted a Mapquest to a restaurant on the main drag in Mill Creek. As I said before I am useless when it comes to maps and even have a hard time with the driving directions. I don't know streets and if I am going to drive somewhere unfamiliar, the only way I can do it is to have someone else drive the route while I write down the directions, using landmarks and such as opposed to street names and numbers. But this time it was amazingly simple. All she had to do was go down one road, then make a left turn onto the main highway then follow it about 2 miles and make a left turn anywhere into the large, winding shopping complex. But she was not so easy to convince. We did have lunch but she had trouble following the directions and turned at the wrong place. And it appeared that the short drive was very stressful for her. Perhaps the reason we all got together to begin with is that we have this driving thing in common. None of us can read maps or follow street signs. We all do the same thing when we are trying to go somewhere. None of us gets upset if we can't go somewhere because it is out of our comfort zone for driving. We just find somewhere else we can go for the most part. I guess if you are not like this, you wouldn't understand. I don't know... I learned a long time ago not to try to change people. They can do things I can't. They are comfortable with things I am not. And not comfortable with things I am. Like speaking in public or being onstage. We're all different. If we weren't, the world would be a pretty boring place! >>> Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I >>> didn't. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > were busy roads to cross and cross them she would not. Nor would she > drive on the freeway. But if another of her cubs had become ill she would have done it. Its amazing what one can do for a child when they "can't" for themselves. Not long after I moved to where I live now, about 1 hour's drive from the outskirts of Sydney, along a large, busy freeway, I had a major panic attack on the freeway. I had to wait for someone to come and drive me home. For years I never got into a car as a driver - even on my local, not busy roads. I even went so far as to pay a lady to drive my kids to and from school and preschool, 5 days a week. Then Jasmine was born with major heart defects which required her to see cardiologists and surgeons in Syndey. An hour down the freeway and another 30 mins of driving in heavy, city traffic. I didn't think twice, I got straight in the car again, for her Sydney trips, her local (and many) doctor, specialist, therapy visits. If Angela was gravely ill and the only treatment she could get was for you to drive on that freeway to Seattle you would do it. I think Angela would like to think that you would find proper medical treatment, at any cost, to stay alive for her. You mentioned in one of your posts that you won't die of high bg's. A friend of mine who was running similar numbers to yours had a stroke at age 30 from high bg's - there are immediate as well as long term consequences of diabetes. People here aren't trying to urge you too seek better care because you "just" have high bg's, they do it because they KNOW you are going to suffer greatly sooner rather than later from the effects of these high, prolonged bg's. Often the first inkling a person has that they are diabetic is when they have that first heart attack. Bad way to find out. Reading between the lines, you and Angela just have each other, be there for that little kid of yours - whatever it takes. There is no greater incentive. If Jasmine gets dropped home to her brothers after school and I am not home she sits in a corner and doesn't speak, eat, play, nothing. It is her way of saying that I am her life. There is nothing I wouldn't do for that little kid (or the rest of my kids). >>>> Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I >>>> didn't. [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > life. There is nothing I wouldn't do for that little kid (or the rest of > my kids). I can't see why she would ever have to go to Seattle. There's a perfectly good hospital in Edmonds. But if she did... Her dad would take her. I most likely would not. As I said before... I have more to consider than just diabetes. I trust the Endo. I am seeing now. He is the ONLY one I've seen that got my thyroid in order. Also, other people here have told me it can take 3 months to get the dose of insulin right. I don't know what you people think another Dr. can/will do for me. It's not like they will give me the instant right dose of insulin. >>>>> Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I >>>>> didn't. [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > perfectly good hospital in Edmonds. But if she did... Her dad would > take her. I most likely would not. If heaven forbid she got cancer, there is no way she could be treated in anything less than a major kid's hospital. I really can't see you sending Angela off to hospital for 6 months at a time for chemo with her dad and not you, seriously. My local hospital for 150,000 people - about 5 times the population of Bothell, wouldn't ever admit a child period for anything. All kids needing hospitalisation get transported to a hospital further south or to a kids hospital if the illness or accident is severe. I am not talking breaking an arm or an asthma attack etc. I talking really serious stuff, I bet you would do it. > As I said before... I have more to consider than just diabetes. I > trust the Endo. I am seeing now. He is the ONLY one I've seen that > got my thyroid in order. > > Also, other people here have told me it can take 3 months to get the > dose of insulin right. I have seen too much insulin in a type 2 have the opposite effect where lowering the insulin considerably often has the desired effect. Every day your bg stays in the range it is now you are a walking time bomb. > I don't know what you people think another Dr. can/will do for me. It's > not like they will give me the instant right dose of insulin. There are doctors who would not have let you keep going on for this long at those numbers and raising Lantus to the stratosphere. Also Lantus often just doesn't work for some diabetics. My endo for example wouldn't let me go a week at those numbers without taking some kind of emergency measures. My endo would also not even consider having a nurse do all the work he gets paid for. My GP has a nurse but she is there to take bp, weigh people, give pap smears, check feet etc. My endo has over ridden the advice of his "junior" when the junior was standing in for him occasionally. In my early diabetic days my endo rang me twice to say he wanted me to do xyz and not abc as his junior had advised. If he has someone work in his absence he reads all the patient's notes for the appointments he was not there for. I wouldn't have put up with the way your endo does things for a heartbeat. My health is way too important to me. > If heaven forbid she got cancer, there is no way she could be treated in > anything less than a major kid's hospital. I really can't see you sending > Angela off to hospital for 6 months at a time for chemo with her dad and > not you, seriously. There is a major cancer center in Edmonds. > My local hospital for 150,000 people - about 5 times the population of > Bothell, wouldn't ever admit a child period for anything. All kids needing > hospitalisation get transported to a hospital further south or to a kids > hospital if the illness or accident is severe. I am not talking breaking > an arm or an asthma attack etc. I talking really serious stuff, I bet you > would do it. That's odd. She has been to the hospital in Edmonds many times. They have no problems with children. >> As I said before... I have more to consider than just diabetes. I >> trust the Endo. I am seeing now. He is the ONLY one I've seen that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > lowering the insulin considerably often has the desired effect. Every day > your bg stays in the range it is now you are a walking time bomb. Well, it hasn't stayed there. It came down some yesterday and now this morning it is where it should be. For whatever reason I do not know. >> I don't know what you people think another Dr. can/will do for me. It's >> not like they will give me the instant right dose of insulin. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > gets paid for. My GP has a nurse but she is there to take bp, weigh > people, give pap smears, check feet etc. The nurse does not work for my Endo. She works for the hospital. From what I gather, this is typical of how things work in this country. > My endo has over ridden the advice of his "junior" when the junior was > standing in for him occasionally. In my early diabetic days my endo rang [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > with the way your endo does things for a heartbeat. My health is way too > important to me. My Endo. has no Jr. There is only him. You can say that all you want. You and others will chastise me for not taking enough action and others here will and have chastised me for complaining and expecting too much of the Dr. So I can't win with ya'll. Not here..the nurse comes in takes yer vitals and asks general questions and later comes the doctor who double checks and asks more questions and then dispenses advice/meds/treatment. I have NEVER been to any clinic and only seen a nurse.. KROM "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote> > The nurse does not work for my Endo. She works for the hospital. From > what I gather, this is typical of how things work in this country. > Not here..the nurse comes in takes yer vitals and asks general questions > and later comes the doctor who double checks and asks more questions and > then dispenses advice/meds/treatment. > > I have NEVER been to any clinic and only seen a nurse.. This isn't a clinic. It's a hospital diabetes program. It is run by two nurses. > > Not here..the nurse comes in takes yer vitals and asks general questions > > and later comes the doctor who double checks and asks more questions and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This isn't a clinic. It's a hospital diabetes program. It is run by two > nurses. Not to mention for years my PCP was a nurse. A nurse practioner, but a nurse. I got all my care from them, including prescriptions, and they were as good as doctors. This was years before my diagnosis. Nurses are doing more and more these days. Priscilla, T2 > I don't know what you people think another Dr. can/will do for me. It's not > like they will give me the instant right dose of insulin. Julie, I can answer that; I think another doctor might be more diligent in finding the root cause of your illness. Diabetes seems to be a side effect, not the cause of what's going on with you. You describe a nocturnal life and symptoms of VERY advanced Cushing's disease or other pituitary/adrenal probs. I had to fly from NY to CA to find someone to capably guide my diagnostic process, you live near one of our two best pituitary docs. I know you have Cushingoid signs that are blatant because most docs never even test for it or consider it. Whether or not you choose to seek more expert care is your business, but that's my answer to your question. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Whether or not you choose to seek more expert care is your business, but > that's my answer to your question. My Dr. did test me for it. > My Dr. did test me for it. Yes, Julie, I know. But many, if not most, CD patients have to be tested for months to years before nailing down the dx, and your doctor doesn't seem to know that. The one in Seattle does. He makes initial phone appts. to screen and advise about whether coming to Seattle is worthwhile. The testing is in patient, so you would not have to commute, just be gotten there. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The testing is in patient, so you would not have to commute, just be > gotten there. Okay. > Often the first inkling a person has that they > are diabetic is when they have that first heart attack. Bad way to find out. Amen to that. And my numbers weren't even really that high. 160s or so fasting with a 7.2 A1c. John C. On May 21, 3:56 am, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote: > Often the first inkling a person has that they > are diabetic is when they have that first heart attack. Bad way to find > out. Amen to that. And my numbers weren't even really that high. 160s or so fasting with a 7.2 A1c. John C. -- Sounds similar to me. I didn't find out that I was diabetic until I had a stroke. My doctors didn't tell me what my numbers were them, and it was months later before I found that they were important. Wont know until you find out.. You remind me of my gal pals who are single who say "i cant get a good man"..yet if i guy smiles at them they go all sour faces and give the evil eye and will say somthing rude out loud... Their laundry list of wants and rules and regulations is so long and tedius no being on the planet can ever meet it. They blew off great guys because he was "too nice" or not rich enough or hairs the wrong color he he is a inch to tall..too short... The point is its silly to say you wont even check out a endo becuase thier NAME sounds foriegn...america is made up of funny names..i know third generation asians who are doctors who speak better english then i do and i know a dr named brown who is a idiot and doesnt listen and spews textbook jargon that in the end says nothing. You got nothing to lose in putting some time and effort into your well being...but nobody here can make you of course just saying is all.. I know your not seeking advice but people are trying to be helpful..thats why we are here. If i say my hairs on fire i dont expect people to say "yeah i bet thats hot"..no,..im pretty sure they are going to offer ways to put it out..especially if i continue to complain about it..lol KROM > Just because she found 12 Endos. doesn't mean any one of them takes my > insurance. I can not go to one that does not. And I am unwilling to try [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > As I said before... I am going to the most highly rated Endo. in the > area. > Just because she found 12 Endos. doesn't mean any one of them takes my > insurance. I can not go to one that does not. And I am unwilling to try [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > As I said before... I am going to the most highly rated Endo. in the area. William Ludlam, Swedish Hosp. in Seattle. Will figure out your HPA axis problems that drive your bg problems. If you decide you can't get there, that's a pity. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > If you decide you can't get there, that's a pity. I can't get there. But I will save the name. > And I am unwilling to try another foreign sounding name unless I have no > choice. My endo is "foreign" but she speaks excellent English. She came from India. There are often ways to look up *where* the doctor is from & where trained. Some countries produce to-us-"foreign" doctors who speak English about as well as many Americans do. Names don't always you anything. There are American (not even 2nd, but 3rd or more generation) doctors with "foreign" names. There are people from anywhere who have changed their names for one reason or another. There are women with "foreign" names who just happen to be All-American who have taken the name of a husband with "foreign" names; or foreign women with All-American-Husband names. Have you considered looking for a good internist? That's one certification short of "endo" but many of them are also very good at seeing the whole picture & dealing with complex problems. And you might find one that actually *does* deal with the whole you & pays attention *&* is actually reachable. bj >> And I am unwilling to try another foreign sounding name unless I have no >> choice. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > actually *does* deal with the whole you & pays attention *&* is actually > reachable. Now I'm going to tell you there are no internists here that take my insurance. And sure enough as soon as I do this, somebody else will post a list of all sorts of internists in my area, none of whom take my insurance. I spent hours on the phone calling people to find out who takes my insurance. I don't know if an internist will deal with diabetes or not. None of the GPs I've seen do. They all sent me to an Endo. My former GP was a DO and I assumed he would address the whole body. He did not. >I have no clue how to get to Bellevue or Kirkland. Edmonds is only 9 miles >from here. I don't know where those figures came from and I don't recognize >either of those names but they sound foreign and that's never a good thing >IMO. Don't know about the one in Lynnwood, but I will look it up. Unless the doc's name is chung, you won't have anything to worry about. My docs are immigrants to the USA. They are all top notch, none are insane like chung though. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>I have no clue how to get to Bellevue or Kirkland. Edmonds is only 9 >>miles [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > about. My docs are immigrants to the USA. They are all top notch, > none are insane like chung though. That Rheumatologist I saw in San Francisco may as well have been him. He seemed pleasant enough to his Chinese patients, but I have no clue what he was saying because he was speaking Chinese. With me, he said I couldn't possibly have the symptoms I did, and yelled at me until I was in tears. Then he insisted I go on antidepressants and wrote a scathing 2 page letter to my Drs. pretty much telling them I was crazy. One Dr. began reading the letter in front of me, then slammed it down, told me I didn't need to hear the rest and warned me not to go back to him. In the end, the diagnosis he put down on my chart was not even what he told me that I had! He told me I had Fibromyalgia but put down Psoriatic Arthritis. That left me not knowing what my problem was. > That Rheumatologist I saw in San Francisco may as well have been him. He > seemed pleasant enough to his Chinese patients, but I have no clue what he [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > told me that I had! He told me I had Fibromyalgia but put down Psoriatic > Arthritis. That left me not knowing what my problem was. Bad Manner(s) are personal to the doctor, not because he's Chinese but because he's that way. There are All-American Home Grown doctors that are just as bad. bj >> That Rheumatologist I saw in San Francisco may as well have been him. He >> seemed pleasant enough to his Chinese patients, but I have no clue what [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > because he's that way. There are All-American Home Grown doctors that are > just as bad. I know. But he is not the only foreign Dr. I've seen, and of them, only one was good. I just have a problem when the person I am seeing can not understand me or I can not understand them. I even had problems understanding the one that I thought was good. >>> That Rheumatologist I saw in San Francisco may as well have been him. He >>> seemed pleasant enough to his Chinese patients, but I have no clue what [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > understand me or I can not understand them. I even had problems > understanding the one that I thought was good. opthomologist.......... Dr Lakra cardiologist............Dr Aggarwal internist.............. forgot his name, but also East Indian pharmacist............ do you want the Hungarian who can't speak English very well, the French assistant who struggles with english, or the Chinese fellow who speaks clearly, fluently, eloquently, and explains things to me............. i communicate with all of these people and we solve whatever the problem is dentist............... Dr Kao........... brilliant Chinese dentist who does the BEST dental work i have had in my life i have other 'non-native English speaking Dr's' that i see but not regularily enough to remember their names Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html >>>> That Rheumatologist I saw in San Francisco may as well have been him. >>>> He seemed pleasant enough to his Chinese patients, but I have no clue [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > i have other 'non-native English speaking Dr's' that i see but not > regularily enough to remember their names Well, I'm glad you've had good luck with that. I had forgotten about the horrid foreign dentist I had in NY. Nobody knew where she was from. You could not understand her at all. She refused to do an XRay on me even though I'd been hit in the side of the head with a box and was in pain. By the time we finally moved to another state and I'd gotten another dentist, the nerve was totally shot. > opthomologist.......... Dr Lakra > cardiologist............Dr Aggarwal [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > i have other 'non-native English speaking Dr's' that i see but not > regularily enough to remember their names Ooooh! I wanna play! Internist: Dr. Harigopal -- origin South Asian (new) Endo: Dr. Mentzelopoulos -- origin Greek Dentist: Dr. Al Hasawi -- origin Kuwaiti Psydoc: Dr. Kapila -- origin half South Asian, (born?) raised in US Therapist: W. Hildner -- origin German All good. Well, I can't swear to Dr. Mentzelopoulos since I'll see her for the first time tomorrow morning. I'm not sure which are citizens. But one psychologist I got royally screwed over by had a very anglo name. HOWEVER, if the clinician's name makes me uncomfortable and prevents me from trusting them, then that makes the relationship less helpful to me. It's my problem, but it's a real problem. Priscilla Priscilla >> opthomologist.......... Dr Lakra >> cardiologist............Dr Aggarwal [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Priscilla > Priscilla good luck with the new endo tomorrow! let us know how it goes Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html >> opthomologist.......... Dr Lakra >> cardiologist............Dr Aggarwal [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Priscilla > Priscilla You are stuttering :) > >> opthomologist.......... Dr Lakra > >> cardiologist............Dr Aggarwal [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > You are stuttering :) Yeah. I gotta watch that. ;-) Priscilla, off to meet her new endo. >Bad Manner(s) are personal to the doctor, not because he's Chinese but >because he's that way. There are All-American Home Grown doctors that are >just as bad. >bj Amen to that. >>>There IS no other Endo. here. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > having an accident. I can not take a bus because that involves a lot of > walking and I am disabled. We do not have a good bus system here. Not going to comment on the other stuff, but will comment here as you say you are disabled. In every area I have lived, there are special provisions provided for transportation of the disabled. Every insurance I have heard of makes provisions for that as well. Research your area, and see what is available. There is no reason not to be able to get the care you need. SignatureT2 - Oct. '96 - Lantus, oral meds, diet http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel Undo the munge to reply by email >>>>There IS no other Endo. here. >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > of makes provisions for that as well. Research your area, and see what is > available. There is no reason not to be able to get the care you need. That still does not put any Endocrinologists here. >> Julie, you're scaring me. I know we spar at times - but I >> care. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Well, I can't just make a Dr. magically appear. Doesn't this super doctor exist? When do you get to actually see him? You are paying full price but only seeing a nurse? A high rating can mean bugger all. Did you ask your SIL specifically why she doesn't like this other endo? In my opinion a good endo is first of all one that actually sees you when you come for an appt and secondly actually knows how to get your bg's into shape. > As for the testing, I believe what she says is right. When I was > testing before and after eating, there was little to no variation. Most of > the time the numbers were exactly the same, and if they > weren't they were well within the range of error of the meter. But were they as high as they are now? Things have changed, for one you are now on insulin and any medical person who doesn't recommend more rather than less testing under those circumstances needs to be shot. The > only thing I am trying to do now is get my fasting BG down to >150. That > hasn't happened yet. And may never happen, at least before you die from the high daytime bg's. Surely you can see a problem with that kind of thinking? The nurse agrees that my numbers > throughout the day are too high and she wants something done about > that, but... It seems standard protocol is to get the fasting > numbers down first. Seems? Whose protocol? Their personal protocol? You should post all this in MHD and see if Dr Biggs happens to be wandering by. > Doesn't this super doctor exist? When do you get to actually see him? You > are paying full price but only seeing a nurse? A high rating can mean > bugger all. Did you ask your SIL specifically why she doesn't like this > other endo? In my opinion a good endo is first of all one that actually > sees you when you come for an appt and secondly actually knows how to get > your bg's into shape. My next appointment is not until July. SIL told me why. I am not going to get into it here. He is the only Endo. in that city so it would be obvious who he is and I am not going to badmouth him here. >> As for the testing, I believe what she says is right. When I was >> testing before and after eating, there was little to no variation. Most [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > are now on insulin and any medical person who doesn't recommend more > rather than less testing under those circumstances needs to be shot. They were higher than they are now. I was getting 300's and 400's. Now I am getting 200's and the occasional low 300. And I disagree with you about being shot. That is just extreme and reactionary thinking. Nobody should ever be shot! > The >> only thing I am trying to do now is get my fasting BG down to >150. That >> hasn't happened yet. > > And may never happen, at least before you die from the high daytime bg's. > Surely you can see a problem with that kind of thinking? I do not think my readings are high enough to die from. And I have had type 1's here say it can take 3 months to get the insulin right. > The nurse agrees that my numbers >> throughout the day are too high and she wants something done about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Seems? Whose protocol? Their personal protocol? You should post all this > in MHD and see if Dr Biggs happens to be wandering by. The protocol I have seen posted time and time again about using Lantus. Even on the Lantus website itself. >> Doesn't this super doctor exist? When do you get to actually see him? You >> are paying full price but only seeing a nurse? A high rating can mean [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I do not think my readings are high enough to die from. And I have had > type 1's here say it can take 3 months to get the insulin right. Are you testing for ketones? Most recommend testing for ketones anytime BG exceeds 250. http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_688.asp They are right about taking time to get the insulin right but getting numbers as high as yours is bad. If my doctor seen numbers like yours in my log, she would take immediate action to correct them. Once when I over indulged and was getting numbers in the 200's, she gave me such a chewing out that put the fear of god in me. Are there any diabetic groups in your area? I get a lot of advice from my group and it is a good place to get doctor referrals. |
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