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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / May 2008Days off, Grilling, Dr appt and beer
Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to sleep all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do that sound-sonar whatever thing again (I guess he's looking for submarines). AND - I'm gonna tell him, once and for all, get me off these financially, ball-breaking pills and find something generic to replace them. If my LDL is high, what the heck did they do for it before they had 3 dollar pills? Hell with Actos, whatever happened to Metformin? Screw Antera, how about some cheap simvusatatin - or course, there is this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article _id=447325&in_page_id=1774&in_page_id=1774&expand=true Chicken and no-sugar baked beans (and fresh tomatoes from my 90 yr old daddy's garden) for midnight grill tomorrow night (Monday). And, gotta find some New York Pinot Noir (got the highest concentration of that reverse a troll, or whatever it is, in the world). I guess that's cause New York is full of fungus. Ah Ha! Time for my Sunday-Night-Workweek-Over-Celebration-Catpiss Beer - Seeya! John >Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to sleep >all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >cheap simvusatatin - or course, there is this: >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article _id=447325&in_page_id=1774&in_page_id=1774&expand=true I particularly liked the statement "Dr Butler, who has previously received payment from a number of drugs companies, including Pfizer - which makes atorvastatin under the brand name Lipitor - also noticed more patients returning to hospital for further treatment after using simvastatin." Hmmm. >Chicken and no-sugar baked beans (and fresh tomatoes from my 90 yr old >daddy's garden) for midnight grill tomorrow night (Monday). And, gotta find [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >John  Signatureroses are #FF0000 violets are #0000FF all my base are belong to you >>Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to >>sleep [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > more patients returning to hospital for further treatment after using > simvastatin." Yeah... I like that part, too. John > Hmmm. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >>John >>Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to sleep >>all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >more patients returning to hospital for further treatment after using >simvastatin." Details somewhat lacking. :( I'd have been switched to simvastatin if I hadn't been on it already. Been taking it for about ten years now so perhaps I'm already dead. That would explain lots . . . > Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to > sleep all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Ah Ha! Time for my Sunday-Night-Workweek-Over-Celebration-Catpiss > Beer - Seeya! lol. And isn't it reserve a troll? You kow, you put in an order for one to be ready when you need it... >> Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to >> sleep all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > lol. And isn't it reserve a troll? You kow, you put in an order for one to > be ready when you need it... I wait till they're on sale. >> Wheeee! My weekend starts now (yours probably ends now). Don't get to >> sleep all day, tomorrow, though - got a doctors appointment. Gonna do [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >lol. And isn't it reserve a troll? You kow, you put in an order for one to >be ready when you need it... Around here, no reservations are needed. There's no waiting; never a line. Immediate troll service. Just say something even remotely sensible and they'll come out of the woodwork. Signatureroses are #FF0000 violets are #0000FF all my base are belong to you Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals, but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours and need to take food again 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day. Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs. Hooray for Byetta >Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Hooray for Byetta Yep. I'll add a "hip, hip" to that. Great news Ted. 80lbs? Wow! Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter. Angkor Wat http://loraltravel.blogspot.com >Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Hooray for Byetta And hooray for your wight loss! SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (4 Mar 08) > >> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > And hooray for your wight loss! > The Byettta is the cause of my weight loss, it makes me more sensitive to natural insulin, so, when I eat, the food goes where it should, instead of staying in my blood, SO, I eat and am no longer so hungry Pre Byetta, I was always hungry, no matter how much I ate > Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Hooray for Byetta wow, Ted, that's excellent! ! ! congratulations on the GREAT weight loss and a 6.1 is pretty good for the A1c :) it's definitely below 6.5 Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html > Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Hooray for Byetta That is an extraordinary accomplishment. Congratulations. John C. >Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Hooray for Byetta Kinda good news, bad news eh? 80 lbs is excellent and 6.1 isn;t that far from 5.9 <G> > >> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > 80 lbs is excellent and 6.1 isn;t that far from 5.9 <G> > I'll take 6.1 any day, it comes with no insulin, no hypos, continuing weight loss, lack of hunger,.......... >>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I'll take 6.1 any day, it comes with no insulin, no hypos, continuing > weight loss, lack of hunger,.......... Wonderful news, Ted! SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >> >>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >I'll take 6.1 any day, it comes with no insulin, no hypos, continuing >weight loss, lack of hunger,.......... I reckon you'll be back in the fives by next test if you go on like this Have you had the Great Pants Sale yet? > Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Hooray for Byetta Am I wrong, or does this demonstrate something I've suspected for some time; that is, perhaps some doctors should reevaluate the use of insulin as - I don't know; the word "crutch" comes to mind, and start thinking more along the lines of oral meds, proper diet and exercise? Just a suspicion, of course. John >> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > John actually 'current' thought is to use insulin SOONER rather than later with a type 2 diabetic of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type 2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html >>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type 2 > who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows Please keep in mind, I honestly don't know what I'm talking about, here; just some niggling little feeling that, initially, exhausting every "most natural" course - as close to "med-less" as possible (and proceeding up the ladder of treatment from there) - seems the most logical path. John >>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > John Hi John, I think the primary issue is to maintain normalized BGs. Since a lot of patients are leery of using insulin, despite the fact they don't have good control, they're walking around with out of control BGs, when proper use of insulin would ameliorate the problem. However, if normal BGs can be achieved through other means, then insulin isn't necessary. (However, I'll admit to being leery of a lot of the brand new oral diabetic meds, since a few of the newer ones have bad side effects. I'd use insulin first.) SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > since a few of the newer ones have bad side effects. I'd use insulin > first.) What I'm thinking about are those who jump on insulin because they don't want to be bothered with d&e - patients and doctors. Do you think that happens? John >>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > John nope, i don't think that happens right now, what i commonly hear is the Dr talking about D&E and 'if you don't comply, you will end up on insulin' with insulin being a 'threat' :( a LOT of type 2's will radically improve their fasting levels (assuming that's the one reading they have troubles with) simply by adding either levemir or lantus before bedtime of course, just my 2 cents :) Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html >>>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >right now, what i commonly hear is the Dr talking about D&E and 'if you >don't comply, you will end up on insulin' with insulin being a 'threat' :( Yes, and if he threatens me with insulin again, I'll ask him how injections of insulin will reduce my insulin resistance. >a LOT of type 2's will radically improve their fasting levels (assuming >that's the one reading they have troubles with) simply by adding either >levemir or lantus before bedtime > >of course, just my 2 cents :) Signatureroses are #FF0000 violets are #0000FF all my base are belong to you >>>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > of course, just my 2 cents :) Hi Kate, Yeah, insulin should not be used as a threat, like "you've been a bad boy and here's your punishment". However, it seems I've heard of a number of people who are put on oral meds, like metformin and given no instruction about d & e. For example, I had dinner with my grandparents and a married couple with whom they've been long time friends. The man is diabetic. When dinner was finished, desert was offered. I said, I don't eat desert because I manage my diabetes with diet. The man looked at me like he had absolutely no clue what I was talking about and commenced to eating his pie. The thing of it is, I really don't think he had a clue--not that he was in denial. I think the doctor gave him a pill, said "take this" and that was the end of it. Hopefully, before one gets to insulin there is some effort to educate the patient about d & e. But I bet if my grandparents' friend gets to the point he needs insulin, his doctor will put him on it, and tell him to "take this shot". SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 Michelle C wrote:<snip> > Hi Kate, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > shot". > So what ? this guy did not WANT to know - I have known people like him I had a friend (now deceased) who, when we went out to dinner, had a huge plate of pasta, a basket of garlic bread, a bowl of soup, BUT, since he was diabetic, a HUGE apple pastry which was "no sugar added ". This was an otherwise intelligent man, who'I miss, but he would NOT test properly, look at his blood tests, or try to moderate his eating habits. > Michelle C wrote:<snip> >> Hi Kate, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > an otherwise intelligent man, who'I miss, but he would NOT test properly, > look at his blood tests, or try to moderate his eating habits. I think the problem is, it's hard to deny yourself eating pleasure when nothing obvious happens if you don't. For example, if I didn't test, I wouldn't know I had diabetes. John >> Michelle C wrote:<snip> >>> Hi Kate, [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > John Yeah, I think for some people complications in the future are too esoteric compared to instant gratification and no immediate punishment. SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >> I think the problem is, it's hard to deny yourself eating pleasure when >> nothing obvious happens if you don't. For example, if I didn't test, I >> wouldn't know I had diabetes. > Yeah, I think for some people complications in the future are too esoteric > compared to instant gratification and no immediate punishment. I personally find procrastination so rewarding that I've become extremely good at it. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >>> I think the problem is, it's hard to deny yourself eating pleasure when >>> nothing obvious happens if you don't. For example, if I didn't test, I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I personally find procrastination so rewarding that I've become >extremely good at it. I'm going to start tomorrow >>I personally find procrastination so rewarding that I've become >>extremely good at it. > >I'm going to start tomorrow Procrastinating? >>>I personally find procrastination so rewarding that I've become >>>extremely good at it. >> >>I'm going to start tomorrow > >Procrastinating? I was going to start last week, but I never got around to it. Signatureroses are #FF0000 violets are #0000FF all my base are belong to you >>>>I personally find procrastination so rewarding that I've become >>>>extremely good at it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I was going to start last week, but I never got around to it. You're making the other Club members proud. Keep up the good work! ;-) >>>>I personally find procrastination so rewarding that I've become >>>>extremely good at it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I was going to start last week, but I never got around to it. I was going to read this thread days ago, but didn't get around to it. >>>>> I personally find procrastination so rewarding that I've become >>>>> extremely good at it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I was going to read this thread days ago, but didn't get around > to it. I havta add this to my list one of these days, gota start that list one day >>>> I think the problem is, it's hard to deny yourself eating pleasure when >>>> nothing obvious happens if you don't. For example, if I didn't test, I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I'm going to start tomorrow Or maybe the day after - but RSN, for sure :P Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>> I think the problem is, it's hard to deny yourself eating pleasure when >>> nothing obvious happens if you don't. For example, if I didn't test, I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I personally find procrastination so rewarding that I've become >extremely good at it. SWMBO believes that if procrastination was an Olympic sport I would have a cabinet full of gold medals. With a special cabinet for jobs around the house. But I'm happy to procrastinate on diabetes complications; thus I take a long time to eat (a good trick is to talk a lot at the table, Trink:-). I also tend to procarastinate at trying medications that haven't been around very long. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com http://loraltravel.blogspot.com Latest: Bangkok >>>> I think the problem is, it's hard to deny yourself eating pleasure when >>>> nothing obvious happens if you don't. For example, if I didn't test, I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >I would have a cabinet full of gold medals. With a special >cabinet for jobs around the house. Come on, you'd never have gotten around to building the cabinet. Amateur! <G> >But I'm happy to procrastinate on diabetes complications; >thus I take a long time to eat (a good trick is to talk a >lot at the table, Trink:-). Good point! >I also tend to procarastinate at trying medications that >haven't been around very long. Sadly another good point. >>>>> I think the problem is, it's hard to deny yourself eating pleasure when >>>>> nothing obvious happens if you don't. For example, if I didn't test, I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Come on, you'd never have gotten around to building the cabinet. >Amateur! <G> I will - as soon as they award the medals to me. But the IOC sub-committee on procrastination is still deliberating on the venue for their first meeting. Since 1896. >>But I'm happy to procrastinate on diabetes complications; >>thus I take a long time to eat (a good trick is to talk a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Sadly another good point. Yep. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com http://loraltravel.blogspot.com Latest: Bangkok >>> I think the problem is, it's hard to deny yourself eating pleasure when >>> nothing obvious happens if you don't. For example, if I didn't test, I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I personally find procrastination so rewarding that I've become > extremely good at it. ;-) ;-) SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 > >> Michelle C wrote:<snip> > >>> Hi Kate, [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - That sentence really boils it down to it's essence. And I'll be the first to admit that I've felt like that on more than one occasion. Sometimes it really takes a lot of willpower to stay on course, knowing that down the road it will probably make a positive difference. John C. On May 22, 3:18 pm, "Michelle C" <bookbug...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Johnnie McCoy" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > - Show quoted text - That sentence really boils it down to it's essence. And I'll be the first to admit that I've felt like that on more than one occasion. Sometimes it really takes a lot of willpower to stay on course, knowing that down the road it will probably make a positive difference. John C. I guess we're just lucky that through temperament, life experiences, etc., we do have the willpower to maintain most of the time. SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >Michelle C wrote:<snip> >> Hi Kate, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >This was an otherwise intelligent man, who'I miss, but he would NOT test >properly, look at his blood tests, or try to moderate his eating habits. Was he a dietician? <G> >>Michelle C wrote:<snip> >>> Hi Kate, [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Was he a dietician? <G> Good one. ;-) SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 > Michelle C wrote:<snip> >> Hi Kate, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > an otherwise intelligent man, who'I miss, but he would NOT test properly, > look at his blood tests, or try to moderate his eating habits. I get your point, Ted. However, some people are just uninformed. I don't think this man's doctor even told him about getting a glucometer and testing. Unfortunately, a lot of people trust their doctors and don't do independent research. SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 Michelle C wrote:<snip> >>> Hopefully, before one gets to insulin there is some effort to educate the >>> patient about d & e. But I bet if my grandparents' friend gets to the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > independent research. > There ARE a lot of bad doctors out there, and many of us are here because we got bat medical care and recognized that we would have to do for ourselves,. Part of the problem is the refusal to recognize reality, and part of the problem is doctors who are too controlling and do not involve the patient. There is NOTHING that you can do for some people, and,likewise, there are physicians who are an active menace > Michelle C wrote:<snip> >>>> Hopefully, before one gets to insulin there is some effort to educate [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > There is NOTHING that you can do for some people, and,likewise, there are > physicians who are an active menace Agreed! SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 > Hi Kate, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > he needs insulin, his doctor will put him on it, and tell him to "take this > shot". oh, i totally believe what you have written here my neighbour was told 'take this pill twice a day, keep on your diet, and come back in a month' that was ? 18 months ago now, and this Dr is HAPPY with a fasting bg level of 15 or lower!!!!!!!!!!! he'll probably never put my neighbour on insulin (because my neighbour won't live that long :( ) Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html >> Hi Kate, >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > he'll probably never put my neighbour on insulin (because my neighbour > won't live that long :( ) Exactly! And your neighbor is probably one of those who trusts his/her doctor and will never think to do independent research. SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >>> Hi Kate, >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Exactly! And your neighbor is probably one of those who trusts his/her > doctor and will never think to do independent research. exactly, Michelle! he's 66 yrs old and he 'does what he is told' he's also thrilled that he 'doesn't have to change his diet' because he was SURE that the box of chocolates that he eats every night would be taken away from him his wife let him eat a WHOLE box of chocolates every night for 3 months, then she put down her foot and told him chocolates were banned in the house........... now he eats 2 or 3 bowls FULL of ice cream, finishing off the better part of a quart of ice cream sigh Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html >>>> Hi Kate, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > sigh and, if his BG was under control, say through Insulin. he would eat less - then, if he can maintain it, say with an oral and maybe Byetta, he will eat even less. I NEVER ate like that, but I still could not keep my weight under 300 lbs. At least I didn't gain any more.. When I was on Rezulin, I lost 45 lbs, and went off of Insulin, then they took it off of the market, and I regained it. >>>> Hi Kate, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > house........... now he eats 2 or 3 bowls FULL of ice cream, finishing off > the better part of a quart of ice cream Eke! SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >>>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > >of course, just my 2 cents :) If Old Al was still here he'd agree with you, there are twodifferent treatment paradigms, one is to do as little as possible for as long as possible and the other is to be majorly proactive at first and maybe back off later when the BG has become more or less normalised and fewer meds need to be thrown at you. My vote's for the latter approach. There;s no guarantee but there's a strong association between control and lack of complications. >>>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > of course, just my 2 cents :) Actually, that is the only level I have trouble with. So, it sounds like it might be worthwhile for me to discuss one of those before bedtime with my doc? John >>>>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > John oh ya, most definitely as a type 2, i would aim for Levemir as a bedtime basal insulin........... it's action is supposed to be '24 hour' but try 12 hours......... AND there is a peak with Levemir, the more you take per kg of body weight, and that peak helps with the dawn phenom........Lantus is too flat good luck Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html Johnnie McCoy wrote:<snip> > What I'm thinking about are those who jump on insulin because they > don't want to be bothered with d&e - patients and doctors. Do you > think that happens? > > John No, people don't use Insulin more often because they have been scared off it, partially by idiots who tout "natural" > Johnnie McCoy wrote:<snip> > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No, people don't use Insulin more often because they have been scared > off it, partially by idiots who tout "natural" Whereas injecting insulin is probably one of the most "natural" ways to treat high BG. Priscilla, T2 >>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > John I see what you mean. I'm sure it happens with oral meds, so it's possible it could happen with insulin too. Really ridiculous, because all meds, including insulin, work better with d & e. SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > John how do you define the "most natural course" ? there are many treatment options available to a type 2 diabetic the old sulfs are felt to cause 'beta cell burn out' so, do you start on metformin (current thought) and then where do you go? arcabose which is a very old carb blocker that is hardly used anymore? byetta, which not only stimulates the beta cells, but it allows you to feel full sooner, which in turn allows you to lose weight easier? januvia, that also allows you to feel full sooner? or right to insulin? i believe this is a decision to be made with the endo and the patient, with the goals of the patient being very important (hey, a skinny MODY who isn't getting results from their sulf will probably want insulin NOT byetta, and metformin does nothing for them) i don't think you can make 'blanket statements' about 'the most natural course' for treatment do you have a 'list' giving the meds in order that they would be introduced in this natural course? Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html >>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > do you have a 'list' giving the meds in order that they would be > introduced in this natural course? Huh? John John >>>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > John LOL food for thought John, questions for you to think about, because, over time all type 2's do progress in what they need in their treatment plan learn now, before it comes as a shock to you :) Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html > <snip> >> i don't think you can make 'blanket statements' about 'the most >> natural course' for treatment [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > John It is a polite way of saying that you have your head wedged firmly up your a.s > John >>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > John You are not niggling, you are an active danger to yourself and others Try some "natural" cure - like Cyanide, or Deadly Nightshade, OR... "Natural" is a code word for " I am a fraud, and want to sell you something which never worked instead of real medicine" >> Please keep in mind, I honestly don't know what I'm talking about, here; >> just some niggling little feeling that, initially, exhausting every "most >> natural" course - as close to "med-less" as possible (and proceeding up >> the ladder of treatment from there) - seems the most logical path. > You are not niggling, you are an active danger to yourself and others > Try some "natural" cure - like Cyanide, or Deadly Nightshade, OR... > > "Natural" is a code word for " I am a fraud, and want to sell you > something which never worked instead of real medicine" Um, Ted, d&e are "natural" & there are plenty of folk here who take that tack to the max they can before even thinking about any meds. I didn't go the max d&e but I did try it for several years. My results were fine, but my lifestyle & routine got too burdensome or something, so I asked for some meds to help with the ppbg problem. bj > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > bj > Two things, 1) You should not try D&R because it is "natural" You should try it only if it is effective! - "natural" is only used by frauds or dupes. 2) Current theory is against D&E unless you are under 110 . Theory may change again next week, but, at least currently, they are recognizing that D&E is not a good idea in most people >> Um, Ted, d&e are "natural" & there are plenty of folk here who take that >> tack to the max they can before even thinking about any meds. I didn't go [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > change again next week, but, at least currently, they are recognizing > that D&E is not a good idea in most people But what is the theory behind that idea? My doc for example told me that the reason they they don't recommend d&e is because research shows that very few people stick to it. It's ineffective as a therapy because of general non-compliance, not because it doesn't work when actually practised. Which is an important difference if you happen to be one of the few who who actually *can* stick to a d&e regime. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > The news has changed again it is now recommended that new diabetics go on Insulin IMMEDIATELY. After they are full under control, then they can start D & E and may go into remission and can stop the Insulin, all before doing much damage to our bodies >>>>> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > "Natural" is a code word for " I am a fraud, and want to sell you > something which never worked instead of real medicine" >> Please keep in mind, I honestly don't know what I'm talking about, here; >> just some niggling little feeling that, initially, exhausting every "most [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "Natural" is a code word for " I am a fraud, and want to sell you > something which never worked instead of real medicine" I see. As I said, I don't know much about it. What I based my thoughts on is that every now and then, I hear of someone eating things I would never dream of eating and taking insulin to stabilize it - or at least that's how it sounds to me. As you see, I don't understand the use of insulin - but would like to; that's why I voiced my thoughts. I apologize if my request for further knowledge on the subject angered you. John : >> Please keep in mind, I honestly don't know what I'm talking about, here; : >> just some niggling little feeling that, initially, exhausting every "most [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : like to; that's why I voiced my thoughts. I apologize if my request for : further knowledge on the subject angered you. : John Doing that kind of thing, eating high carb and then adding a corrective insulin dose, particularly for type 2's is a good recipe for gaining weight. Somehow, you really can't get away with it:-) Wendy > <snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > John Latest news says that T2's should go on Insulin FIRST. After they get full BG control they often go into remission, and can drop back to D and E >>> Please keep in mind, I honestly don't know what I'm talking about, >>> here; just some niggling little feeling that, initially, exhausting [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > John oh John i believe the people that you have heard 'shoot enough insulin to eat something ridculous' are type 1 diabetics a type 1 just has to skip their shots for a day, and they will lose any weight they gained the day before (one of the former posters here would actually do that........... she never posted that she DID that though!) i was talking to my GP today, and the top Endo in town gave a seminar, and in that seminar he taught about using metformin as a first line of defense, adding avandia/actos if needed, then moving the patient to basal insulin, then moving the patient to basal/bolus insulin my GP is now changing all his glipizide patients over to insulin (and NOT NPH!) Signaturekate type 1 since 1987 www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/newly%20diagnosed.html > of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type > 2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows I'm leery to try it because of the reputation for nausea. Of the Byetta users here, how many have experienced unpleasant side-effects with Byetta? Nausea? Gas? What? Thanks! Priscilla, T2 >> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type >> 2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Priscilla, T2 Don't be leery of it. It is an excellent drug. I did get a few twinges of nausea with it, but only for a tiny bit. Stick with the 5 mcg pen until you feel it isn't working anymore. I switched to the ten mcg pen too soon and I did feel some nausea and I felt too cold all the time at first, but it wasn't really bad at all. It passes. I did get some constipation issues with the drug, but it was easily dealt with. The benefits outweighed the drawbacks for me. Good luck trying it! Evelyn > Don't be leery of it. It is an excellent drug. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The benefits outweighed the drawbacks for me. Good luck trying it! Thanks, Evelyn. I think I will ask about it. Maybe I can get it from my relatively clueless internist if I can't find a good endo quickly. The weight loss benefit really attracts me. *sigh* Priscilla, T2 >> Don't be leery of it. It is an excellent drug. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Priscilla, T2 Hi Priscilla, I lost about 28 lbs with it. I just didn't feel all that hungry, so I ate less. That is a really good thing for most of us! I have heard of others who have lost even more. My physicians assistant (not even a doctor) prescribed it first for me, so if you can get your doc to prescribe it, great. I was afraid of using the needle at first, but it turned out to be so easy I wondered what on earth I had been afraid of. Good luck! Ev > >> Don't be leery of it. It is an excellent drug. > >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Ev Thanks, Ev. > >> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Priscilla, T2 > It seems to be related to overeating. I had some very mild nausea when I first started, but I was thrilled to no longer be hungry all the time, and rapidly started eating less. Much eating is from habit - "I ALWAYS have that for breakfast" , and you have to relearn these habits. Aler rating food in your mouth, you will get full, but it is easy to eat twice as much as you need before the fullness kicks in. > > > >> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > get full, but it is easy to eat twice as much as you need before the > fullness kicks in. Thanks, Ted. Priscilla I got very sick on Byetta..it wasn't just nausea it was feeling poorly..all I could do is lie down and rest...I kept on trying Byetta but just felt worse...however I really think I am a minority in this. My Dr told me of the patients he had that were on Byetta, could either tolerate it or they couldn't...guess I'm one that can't, I think you should try it , I have heard very good things about it. Jacquie >> of course, Byetta is a NEW med, and it has obvious advantages for a type >> 2 who needs to lose weight, along with the good bg control it allows [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Priscilla, T2 > I got very sick on Byetta..it wasn't just nausea it was feeling poorly..all > I could do is lie down and rest...I kept on trying Byetta but just felt [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > heard very good things about it. > Jacquie Thanks, Jacquie. I appreciate the input. Priscilla >> Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > John No John, you are 100% wrong Drs tend to wait too long efoe stating Insulin, OR Byetta. Officially you are not supposed to take nsulin with Byetta, but many (if not most) of us do. The bggest problem in medical treatment is that many many physicians want to control your Insulin. I have controlled my own for many years, first because I didn't have a doctor, and most recently because I have had doctors who take the attitude that as long as I was succusful, THEY wern't going to tell me what to do. : Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! : That is because I have taken NO Insulin for over 2 months : I was getting very brittle, and having lots of hypos, so I stopped : completely. It takes me about 3 hours to completely recover after meals, : but, if I take some Novolog to drop my 2 hr, I go hypo at about 3 hours : and need to take food again : 2 years ago I was taking about 400 units a day. : Now I am completely off of Insulin, and have lost over 80 lbs. : Hooray for Byetta Wonderful news, Ted. May this keep up for you. Wendy >Well, my A1c was up to 6.1 ths time !! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Hooray for Byetta Go Ted!!! That's great progress. I bet you do a David Mendosa and hit the 4% club in no time! Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 |
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