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Non-Diabetic Thinks He Can Get Better mg/dL Numbers
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ChristopherL - 18 May 2008 17:03 GMT Hello,
I'm 51 years old, and trying to live better and longer!
I recently got a sale that I couldn't walk away from. It was a comprehensive blood test.
My 12 hour fasting glucose was 94mg/dL. The corresponding reference number on the results paper was 69-99. A telephone-doctor wasn't concerned, but said that I could get a better number if I ate more meat and avoided carbohydrates such as grains.
I'm semi-vegetarian, but because of what the doctor said, I began reading my old low carb counter book and bought more chicken.
Question: Will only eating meat one day a week reduce my mg/dL numbers.
I went out and bought a few books on blood tests, and diabetes. Yesterday, I went to WalMart and purchased: ReliOn Ultima Blood Glucose Monitoring System for about $9.00 along with the corresponding strips, and lancets.
Question: Are the numbers from this meter good. Are there better meters than the one I bought, why?
Well, here are the numbers that I am getting:
1)After fasting 14 hours: 113 mg/dL 2)I ate a big salad with many vegetables. 1/2 hour later: 99mg/dL. 3)2 hours later 116mg/dL 4)4 hours later 124mg/dL 5)After (4) ate the remaining portion of the large salad. 10 and 1/2 hours later: 121mg/dL 6)After (5) I was hungry so I ate 5oz frozen wild salmon, Poland minched meat in 14.99oz can, light tuna 6 oz can, 8.4oz Herring in a can along with a little dried organic fruit (3 prunes, 3 apricots, few cranberries) etc. One hour later: 126 mg/dL.
The very small figure in the book "Stop Diabetes" says that I fit more into the normal curve than the prediabetic curve.
Question:Can I lower my numbers? Should I lower my numbers. Should I begin a low carb diet. Question: What else should I know.
Thanks, I apologize if I posted this to the wrong newsgroup, Christopher Lusardi
John Williamson - 18 May 2008 17:32 GMT > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Question: Will only eating meat one day a week reduce my mg/dL > numbers. Only maybe, & only on that day. But it'll not help your cholesterol much.
> I went out and bought a few books on blood tests, and diabetes. > Yesterday, I went to WalMart and purchased: ReliOn Ultima Blood [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Question: Are the numbers from this meter good. Are there better > meters than the one I bought, why? Only laboratory tests. All the mobile meters are calibrated to the same tolerances, more or less. Ease of use & cost of consumables is what varies more than anything else.
> Well, here are the numbers that I am getting: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The very small figure in the book "Stop Diabetes" says that I fit more > into the normal curve than the prediabetic curve. Correct. You do.
> Question:Can I lower my numbers? Should I lower my numbers. Should I > begin a low carb diet. > Question: What else should I know. Right group. :-)
Your numbers are, as the book says, pretty close to normal, within the limits of the test meter you used.
If you want to know the long term trend, ask for a test of your Hba1c, which will give an indication of your long term control. But, from the figures you posted, it'd probably be a waste of time & money. You *could* try a Glucose Tolerance test, by taking a specified amount of glucose, then measuring your blood glucose at 30 minutes, 60 minutes & 90 minutes after taking it, but this really needs to be done under medical supervision for a meaningful result.
Without medication, you will find it hard to lower your (Normal) numbers, as the normal human body uses a number of feedback loops to maintain them within the range quoted. There's no need to lower them, anyway, as far as I can see. (I'm a diabetic, though, not an endocrinologist.)
As for your diet, it will help if you eat a diet with a low glycaemic index, but the same can be said for 90% plus of the population. :-)
This would mean using only unrefined grains, cutting out sugar & so on. You need a certain amount of carbohydrate for energy, but wholemeal flour is better than white flour, & so on. It's a good idea anyway, as is limiting your carbohydrate intake, depending on your activity level.
Aim for a balanced diet, too. Overdoing it on proteins can cause or aggravate kidney problems, too much fat can make cholesterol problems worse, & so on.....
As Alan S, who posts here regularly says, Moderation in everything, except laughter.
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John - 19 May 2008 18:56 GMT On May 18, 12:32 pm, John Williamson <johnwilliam...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Only maybe, & only on that day. > But it'll not help your cholesterol much. If you're trying to suggest that eating protein will worsen CHO numbers, I believe you're quite wrong. When I changed my diet after Dx i.e. less carbs, more protein and MUFAs, my CHO numbers, along with my BG numbers and A1c went way down.
John C.
John Williamson - 19 May 2008 22:40 GMT > On May 18, 12:32 pm, John Williamson <johnwilliam...@btinternet.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > i.e. less carbs, more protein and MUFAs, my CHO numbers, along with my > BG numbers and A1c went way down. Not at all what I'm suggesting. Protein, as you point out, doesn't affect cholesterol, but, depending on the meat, the fat content of the meal can. I didn't say it would necessarily make it worse, though.
There's a reported link between triglyceride levels & carbohydrate intake in at least some cases, but only about 10% of total cholesterol is accepted to be from dietary intake, with the rest being hereditary, according to the medical opinions I've heard & read. This being so, if you included your triglycerides in your cholesterol measurements, the lower carb intake would lower total cholesterol by reducing triglycerides, as well as reducing your BG levels. Over a period, this would also reduce your A1c level. HDL & LDL aren't quite so responsive to short term effects, as I understand things.
So, eating only meat once a week may lower BG levels on that day, but won't necessarily affect total cholesterol levels. That's ignoring the other effects such as the beta cells stopping the production of insulin & liver dumps when BG levels drop too far. That's the way I read the information I have.
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Julie Bove - 18 May 2008 21:26 GMT > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > begin a low carb diet. > Question: What else should I know. I too would say it sounds like pre-diabetes if not full blown diabetes and more testing is warranted. I don't know if low carbing will help you or not. It didn't for me. And remember, protein does convert to blood sugar as well.
There is really no need for you to eat meat if you want to be a vegetarian. Eggs and cheese can provide protein as can various vegetable sources.
Trinkwasser - 18 May 2008 21:36 GMT >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >concerned, but said that I could get a better number if I ate more >meat and avoided carbohydrates such as grains. Sensible Doctor!
What were your lipids (cholesterol and importantly triglycerides) and blood pressure?
>I'm semi-vegetarian, but because of what the doctor said, I began >reading my old low carb counter book and bought more chicken. > >Question: Will only eating meat one day a week reduce my mg/dL >numbers. That entirely depends, you'll have to test it and see!
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Fish is also a Pretty Good Thing, full of beneficial oils, I always persuade my vegetarian visitors to partake of the local fish.
>I went out and bought a few books on blood tests, and diabetes. >Yesterday, I went to WalMart and purchased: ReliOn Ultima Blood [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Question: Are the numbers from this meter good. Are there better >meters than the one I bought, why? AFAIK they're all much of a muchness accuracy-wise, just differ in gadget count and cost of the strips - which is important if you're buying your own, if your insurance was paying you'd be best off with whatever meter they cover the strips for.
>Well, here are the numbers that I am getting: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >The very small figure in the book "Stop Diabetes" says that I fit more >into the normal curve than the prediabetic curve. They look a bit on the high side of normal, certainly "not diabetic yet" but worth keeping an eye on - especially if your lipids and blood pressure are starting to go south.
>Question:Can I lower my numbers? Should I lower my numbers. Should I >begin a low carb diet. Judging by the above your diet is pretty low carb anyway.
One thing you might try, have a big bowl of breakfast cereal with milk and wash it down with a glass of orange juice. Your dietician will love you - BUT if you are heading down the Diabetic Progression such a high carb load in the morning - when most but not all of us are most carb-sensitive - will show in the 1 hour and 2 hour post numbers how much of a rise you get (and if you look at three and four hours out you may find a pattern where your BG first goes up, then drops back to normal, then drops substantially *below* normal). This is kind of a low impact version of a Glucose Tolerance Test. If you get high numbers off this then you have a pretty good idea what *not* to eat in the future.
ChristopherL - 18 May 2008 22:02 GMT > On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:03:45 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What were your lipids (cholesterol and importantly triglycerides) and > blood pressure?
> They look a bit on the high side of normal, certainly "not diabetic > yet" but worth keeping an eye on - especially if your lipids and blood > pressure are starting to go south. Triglycerides 87mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-149 HDL Cholesterol 41mg/dL with Reference Interval 40-59 LDL Cholesterol Calc 89mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-99 T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.6 ratio units with Reference Interval 0.0-1.0 Estimated CHD Risk 0.5 times avg. with Reference Interval 0.0-1.0
What should I do next?
Chris Lusardi
ChristopherL - 18 May 2008 22:23 GMT > On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:03:45 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL
> <clusard...@aol.com> wrote: > >Hello,
> What were your lipids (cholesterol and importantly triglycerides) and > blood pressure? > They look a bit on the high side of normal, certainly "not diabetic > yet" but worth keeping an eye on - especially if your lipids and blood > pressure are starting to go south. Triglycerides 87mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-149 HDL Cholesterol 41mg/dL with Reference Interval 40-59 LDL Cholesterol Calc 89mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-99 T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.6 ratio units with Reference Interval 0.0-5.0 Estimated CHD Risk 0.5 times avg. with Reference Interval 0.0-1.0
I just took my blood pressure:
systolic 118 diastolic 79
What should I do next?
Chris Lusardi
DonnaB shallotpeel - 19 May 2008 01:04 GMT On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:23:37 -0700 (PDT), in <bad66695-bc0b-4af9-a4d0-2cbf0fa1b523@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
> > On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:03:45 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > What should I do next? I just read this entire thread. First, I envy your numbers!! <G> Second, I admire your proactive stance. Third, you're not getting too worried, are you?
Next, before this came up, what was your regular way of eating? And, I mean specific foods. What kinds of foods? What was a splurge? Where did you get your protein from?
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ChristopherL - 19 May 2008 03:00 GMT On May 18, 9:04 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:23:37 -0700 (PDT), in > <bad66695-bc0b-4af9-a4d0-2cbf0fa1b...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - In 1997, I lost 100lbs on low carb. After I lost the weight, I swicthed to a low fat diet (my food pyramid style). Four years ago I lost ten more pounds because of love handles. Over this time, I have moved to semi-vegetarianism, but I will ocassionally eat meat such as chicken (some times skinless) and turkey.
Before two years ago for five years, I would occasionally (once every few months) eat at the all you can eat buffets.
In the last year, because I have used Jack LaLane's juicer, I slowly leaned towards only eating fruits (anything organic) and tofu (and salmon). The main reason for this is it takes too much time to make salads! To me fruit is a fast than fast food, just scrub with a brush and eat! Anyway, I had the blood tests done and here I am. About this time, I went back to eating high fiber whole organic grains, vegetables, wild salmon, and a little tofu (could cause thyroid problems according to a telephone doctor I talked to).
Chris Lusardi
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 05:18 GMT > > >Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Triglycerides 87mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-149 > HDL Cholesterol � 41mg/dL with Reference Interval 40-59 Optimal is more than 50 mg/dL.
This indicates that you likely have metabolic syndrome (MetS/IR/IGT)
> LDL Cholesterol Calc 89mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-99 > T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.6 ratio units with Reference Interval 0.0-5.0 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > What should I do next? It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount, in order to lose the VAT (black fat):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f20e435e3ec529db?
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic...
Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 08:05 GMT After serious thinking Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote :
> It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount, in order to > lose the VAT (black fat): Can you provide references to this term "black fat" and how it is measured?
Thanks.
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 08:10 GMT Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD presented the following explanation :
> It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount, in order to > lose the VAT (black fat): What is this "right amount" you keep referring to? Would it vary from a diabetic to a non-diabetic?
What is this term "black fat"? How it is measured? Can you provide a reference to a study so I can gain further understanding?
Thanks.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 11:03 GMT http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b1021a18f08c77da?
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May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know what GOD desires, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier...
Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 11:10 GMT Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote on 19/05/2008 :
> ... by being hungrier: > It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount, in order to > lose the VAT (black fat): What is this "right amount" you keep referring to? Would it vary from a diabetic to a non-diabetic?
What is this term "black fat"? How it is measured? Can you provide a reference to a study so I can gain further understanding?
Thanks.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 12:00 GMT satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > What is this term "black fat"? How it is measured? Can you provide a > reference to a study so I can gain further understanding? Without GOD, you will never have understanding.
> Thanks. Laus Deo !
May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD- given opportunity as GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know what GOD desires, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic...
Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 12:22 GMT Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote :
>>> It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount, in order to >>> lose the VAT (black fat): [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Without GOD, you will never have understanding. So what am I to infer from your statement? That you have no reference or don't even know how to measure it?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 22:15 GMT satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > So what am I to infer from your statement? That GOD is the Source of all wisdom, knowledge, intelligence, and understanding.
May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD- given opportunity as GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know what GOD desires, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier...
Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 22:24 GMT After serious thinking for over 10 hours Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
>>>> What is this term "black fat"? How it is measured? Can you provide a >>>> reference to a study so I can gain further understanding? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That GOD is the Source of all wisdom, knowledge, intelligence, and > understanding. Thank you for confirming that there is no inference to be made from your statement.
"Black-fat tobacco disease." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5035745 [J Pathol. 1972]
Is that where you stole "Black-fat" from?
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 May 2008 04:18 GMT satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal sockpuppet) despairingly posted:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thank you for confirming that there is no inference to be made from > your statement. Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling you to unwittingly confirm that you lack understanding.
Laus Deo ! ! !
May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD- given opportunity as GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know what GOD desires, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic...
Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 20 May 2008 12:32 GMT After serious thinking Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote :
>>>>> Without GOD, you will never have understanding. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Thank you for confirming that there is no inference to be made from >> your statement. <spam removed>
Trinkwasser - 19 May 2008 19:12 GMT > > On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:03:45 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.6 ratio units with Reference Interval 0.0-5.0 > Estimated CHD Risk 0.5 times avg. with Reference Interval 0.0-1.0 That's pretty good, HDL is a bit borderline low though but the Trigs/HDL ratio is good at 2.12 suggesting you don;t have much insulin resistance.
> I just took my blood pressure: > > systolic 118 > diastolic 79 That's pretty acceptable too. (understatement)
> What should I do next? Watch and wait <G> keep an eye on things, maybe add some fish or fish oil to your diet, make sure you get plenty of exercise and you'll probably live until something other than diabetes or cardiovascular disease carries you off!
Nicky - 20 May 2008 13:15 GMT >> On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:03:45 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >What should I do next? Exercise - and have one or two glasses of red wine on most nights. Both will raise your HDL and reduce any insulin resistance you might be developing.
IMO your numbers are fine (but need monitoring, say check your 1 and 2 hour post-meal figures after a rice or pasta meal every couple of months, plus a fasting at the same interval) and your doc gives good advice.
Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
Jefferson - 20 May 2008 15:52 GMT >>What should I do next? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > months, plus a fasting at the same interval) and your doc gives good > advice. It looks like a "little" wine also increase insulin secretion. A scholar google search turns up quite a few finds for endocrine+ exocrine+pancreas+ethanol+blood+flow. In other words alcohol pushes the beta-cells to secrete more insulin. This is similar to the complaint commonly heard about sulfonylurea meds.
Ethanol acutely stimulates islet blood flow, amplifies insulin secretion, and induces hypoglycemia via NO and vagally mediated mechanisms - http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/rapidpdf/en.2007-0632v1
"Discussion The results of this study indicate that low concentrations of ethanol elicit a substantial stimulation of islet blood flow (IBF), augmenting late phase insulin secretion, and also modestly enhance kidney blood flow (KBF). Ethanol is known to cause vasodilatation. However, the effects noted in our current work do not seem to reflect a generalized response in the splanchnic bed, since perfusion in other abdominal organs, such as the exocrine pancreas and adrenals, was not altered. ... Ethanol consumption is known to increase plasma concentrations of NO. Since islet blood perfusion is extremely sensitive to nitric oxide (NO), a local increase in NO production would be expected to preferentially increase islet blood flow, rather than total pancreatic blood perfusion. Whether direct NO effects on β-cells impacts insulin secretion positively, negatively or not at all remains highly controversial, in part due to use of various NO donors for exogenous delivery of NO in vitro. We speculate that the increased islet and renal blood flow noted here might in part explain the well known hypoglycemic and diuretic actions of ethanol. Whole pancreatic blood flow was also found previously to be unaffected by either acute or chronic ethanol administration to the rats, lending support to our present results. Our results, revealing a significantly and preferentially increased islet blood flow (IBF) without any change in whole pancreatic blood flow (PBF), indicate redistribution of blood flow within the pancreas. Ethanol consumption leads to a relatively specific reduction in the neural regulation of heart rate by vagal pathways. It been shown that the glucose-induced increase in IBF is mediated by vagal cholinergic influences; thus, IBF can be regulated in part by vagal mechanisms."
Frank
Nicky - 21 May 2008 08:53 GMT >It looks like a "little" wine also increase insulin secretion. A >scholar google search turns up quite a few finds for endocrine+ >exocrine+pancreas+ethanol+blood+flow. In other words alcohol pushes the >beta-cells to secrete more insulin. This is similar to the complaint >commonly heard about sulfonylurea meds. Mutter, mutter - OK, I'll continue to use it for this reason:
>"Discussion <snip> >Ethanol consumption leads to a relatively specific reduction in the >neural regulation of heart rate by vagal pathways. It been shown that >the glucose-induced increase in IBF is mediated by vagal cholinergic >influences; thus, IBF can be regulated in part by vagal mechanisms." Nicky (Being very selective about what insulin secretors she's avoiding :( T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
ChristopherL - 21 May 2008 15:38 GMT > On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:02:59 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Nicky. Monitoring numbers sounds simple, but is it as simple as you describe. What numbers should make me jump. What are all the nice details?
I have to express my thanks to every one who has posted an article.
Anyway, for many years I have eaten only one meal a day. One of the biggest things I have learned is to try and eat many meals during the day.
Because I am wearing braces, I will do so until they come off. It takes a long time to brush and floss. Braces cause cavities. But, you can bet that when the braces come off (in late Nov) I will try to eat 6 meals a day. Does anyone have any suggestions.
Again many thanks, My heart is with you Chris Lusardi
Nicky - 21 May 2008 19:37 GMT >Monitoring numbers sounds simple, but is it as simple as you describe. >What numbers should make me jump. What are all the nice details? http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm
> But, you >can bet that when the braces come off (in late Nov) I will try to eat >6 meals a day. Does anyone have any suggestions. Try googling on "recipe low carb <whatever>" - you'll be amazed at the choice! lowcarbcookworx.com is fun. Actually, the Drs Eades are currently into intermittent fasting, which might suit you...
Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
Ozgirl - 19 May 2008 05:05 GMT Christopher, diabetic control is a meal by meal thing. One needs to eat the right amount of carbs per meal and snack to avoid bg rises. If you for example ate a lot of carbs divided by 3 meals you would have a greater bg impact than if you ate your carbs over 6 meals/snacks spaced out.
> Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > I apologize if I posted this to the wrong newsgroup, > Christopher Lusardi Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 05:11 GMT > Hello, Hi :-)
> I'm 51 years old, and trying to live better and longer! Understandably.
> I recently got a sale that I couldn't walk away from. It was a > comprehensive blood test. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Question: Will only eating meat one day a week reduce my mg/dL > numbers. In our collective clinical experience, the key to becoming more insulin-sensitive thereby improving blood glucose control is losing the VAT (black fat):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f20e435e3ec529db?
> I went out and bought a few books on blood tests, and diabetes. > Yesterday, I went to WalMart and purchased: ReliOn Ultima Blood > Glucose Monitoring System for about $9.00 along with the corresponding > strips, and lancets. > > Question: Are the numbers from this meter good. They should be reliable.
> Are there better meters than the one I bought, why? It meets the needs of most people.
> Well, here are the numbers that I am getting: > > 1)After fasting 14 hours: 113 mg/dL Suboptimal.
> 2)I ate a big salad with many vegetables. 1/2 hour later: 99mg/dL. > 3)2 hours later 116mg/dL > 4)4 hours later 124mg/dL The size of the salad being big is a problem.
> 5)After (4) ate the remaining portion of the large salad. 10 and 1/2 > hours later: 121mg/dL Suboptimal.
> 6)After (5) I was hungry so I ate 5oz frozen wild salmon, Hunger means wanting to eat and not needing to eat.
Moreover, it is when we are hungry that our blood glucose is most likely going to be normal (70-90 mg/dL).
Hunger is wonderful:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117245343707310e?
> Poland > minched meat in 14.99oz can, light tuna 6 oz can, 8.4oz Herring in a > can along with a little dried organic fruit (3 prunes, 3 apricots, few > cranberries) etc. One hour later: 126 mg/dL. The amount was excessive.
Consequently, the blood glucose was high.
> The very small figure in the book "Stop Diabetes" says that I fit more > into the normal curve than the prediabetic curve. > > Question:Can I lower my numbers? Yes.
> Should I lower my numbers. Yes.
> Should I begin a low carb diet. It remains smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount.
> Question: What else should I know. See above.
> Thanks, Laus Deo :-)
> I apologize if I posted this to the wrong newsgroup, > Christopher Lusardi You have posted this to the right newsgroup.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic...
Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 08:11 GMT Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD formulated on Monday :
>> Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > >> Question: What else should I know. Question: What is this "right amount" you keep referring to? Would it vary from a diabetic to a non-diabetic?
What is this term "black fat"? How it is measured? Can you provide a reference to a study so I can gain further understanding?
Thanks.
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