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Non-Diabetic Thinks He Can Get Better mg/dL Numbers

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ChristopherL - 18 May 2008 17:03 GMT
Hello,

I'm 51 years old, and trying to live better and longer!

I recently got a sale that I couldn't walk away from. It was a
comprehensive blood test.

My 12 hour fasting glucose was 94mg/dL. The corresponding reference
number on the results paper was 69-99. A telephone-doctor wasn't
concerned, but said that I could get a better number if I ate more
meat and avoided carbohydrates such as grains.

I'm semi-vegetarian, but because of what the doctor said, I began
reading my old low carb counter book and bought more chicken.

Question: Will only eating meat one day a week reduce my mg/dL
numbers.

I went out and bought a few books on blood tests, and diabetes.
Yesterday, I went to WalMart and purchased: ReliOn Ultima Blood
Glucose Monitoring System for about $9.00 along with the corresponding
strips, and lancets.

Question: Are the numbers from this meter good. Are there better
meters than the one I bought, why?

Well, here are the numbers that I am getting:

1)After fasting 14 hours: 113 mg/dL
2)I ate a big salad with many vegetables. 1/2 hour later: 99mg/dL.
3)2 hours later 116mg/dL
4)4 hours later 124mg/dL
5)After (4) ate the remaining portion of the large salad. 10 and 1/2
hours later: 121mg/dL
6)After (5) I was hungry so I ate 5oz frozen wild salmon, Poland
minched meat in 14.99oz can, light tuna 6 oz can, 8.4oz Herring in a
can along with a little dried organic fruit (3 prunes, 3 apricots, few
cranberries) etc. One hour later: 126 mg/dL.

The very small figure in the book "Stop Diabetes" says that I fit more
into the normal curve than the prediabetic curve.

Question:Can I lower my numbers? Should I lower my numbers. Should I
begin a low carb diet.
Question: What else should I know.

Thanks,
I apologize if I posted this to the wrong newsgroup,
Christopher Lusardi
John Williamson - 18 May 2008 17:32 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Question: Will only eating meat one day a week reduce my mg/dL
> numbers.

Only maybe, & only on that day.
But it'll not help your cholesterol much.

> I went out and bought a few books on blood tests, and diabetes.
> Yesterday, I went to WalMart and purchased: ReliOn Ultima Blood
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Question: Are the numbers from this meter good. Are there better
> meters than the one I bought, why?

Only laboratory tests. All the mobile meters are calibrated to the same
tolerances, more or less. Ease of use & cost of consumables is what
varies more than anything else.

> Well, here are the numbers that I am getting:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> The very small figure in the book "Stop Diabetes" says that I fit more
> into the normal curve than the prediabetic curve.

Correct. You do.

> Question:Can I lower my numbers? Should I lower my numbers. Should I
> begin a low carb diet.
> Question: What else should I know.

Right group. :-)

Your numbers are, as the book says, pretty close to normal, within the
limits of the test meter you used.

If you want to know the long term trend, ask for a test of your Hba1c,
which will give an indication of your long term control. But, from the
figures you posted, it'd probably be a waste of time & money. You
*could* try a Glucose Tolerance test, by taking a specified amount of
glucose, then measuring your blood glucose at 30 minutes, 60 minutes &
90 minutes after taking it, but this really needs to be done under
medical supervision for a meaningful result.

Without medication, you will find it hard to lower your (Normal)
numbers, as the normal human body uses a number of feedback loops to
maintain them within the range quoted. There's no need to lower them,
anyway, as far as I can see. (I'm a diabetic, though, not an
endocrinologist.)

As for your diet, it will help if you eat a diet with a low glycaemic
index, but the same can be said for 90% plus of the population. :-)

This would mean using only unrefined grains, cutting out sugar & so on.
You need a certain amount of carbohydrate for energy, but wholemeal
flour is better than white flour, & so on. It's a good idea anyway, as
is limiting your carbohydrate intake, depending on your activity level.

Aim for a balanced diet, too. Overdoing it on proteins can cause or
aggravate kidney problems, too much fat can make cholesterol problems
worse, & so on.....

As Alan S, who posts here regularly says, Moderation in everything,
except laughter.

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Tciao for Now!

John.

John - 19 May 2008 18:56 GMT
On May 18, 12:32 pm, John Williamson <johnwilliam...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> > Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Only maybe, & only on that day.
> But it'll not help your cholesterol much.

If you're trying to suggest that eating protein will worsen CHO
numbers, I believe you're quite wrong. When I changed my diet after Dx
i.e. less carbs, more protein and MUFAs, my CHO numbers, along with my
BG numbers and A1c went way down.

John C.
John Williamson - 19 May 2008 22:40 GMT
> On May 18, 12:32 pm, John Williamson <johnwilliam...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> i.e. less carbs, more protein and MUFAs, my CHO numbers, along with my
> BG numbers and A1c went way down.

Not at all what I'm suggesting. Protein, as you point out, doesn't
affect cholesterol, but, depending on the meat, the fat content of the
meal can. I didn't say it would necessarily make it worse, though.

There's a reported link between triglyceride levels & carbohydrate
intake in at least some cases, but only about 10% of total cholesterol
is accepted to be from dietary intake, with the rest being hereditary,
according to the medical opinions I've heard & read. This being so, if
you included your triglycerides in your cholesterol measurements, the
lower carb intake would lower total cholesterol by reducing
triglycerides, as well as reducing your BG levels. Over a period, this
would also reduce your A1c level. HDL & LDL aren't quite so responsive
to short term effects, as I understand things.

So, eating only meat once a week may lower BG levels on that day, but
won't necessarily affect total cholesterol levels. That's ignoring the
other effects such as the beta cells stopping the production of insulin
& liver dumps when BG levels drop too far. That's the way I read the
information I have.

Signature

Tciao for Now!

John.

Julie Bove - 18 May 2008 21:26 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> begin a low carb diet.
> Question: What else should I know.

I too would say it sounds like pre-diabetes if not full blown diabetes and
more testing is warranted.  I don't know if low carbing will  help you or
not.  It didn't for me.  And remember, protein does convert to blood sugar
as well.

There is really no need for you to eat meat if you want to be a vegetarian.
Eggs and cheese can provide protein as can various vegetable sources.
Trinkwasser - 18 May 2008 21:36 GMT
>Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>concerned, but said that I could get a better number if I ate more
>meat and avoided carbohydrates such as grains.

Sensible Doctor!

What were your lipids (cholesterol and importantly triglycerides) and
blood pressure?

>I'm semi-vegetarian, but because of what the doctor said, I began
>reading my old low carb counter book and bought more chicken.
>
>Question: Will only eating meat one day a week reduce my mg/dL
>numbers.

That entirely depends, you'll have to test it and see!

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

Fish is also a Pretty Good Thing, full of beneficial oils, I always
persuade my vegetarian visitors to partake of the local fish.

>I went out and bought a few books on blood tests, and diabetes.
>Yesterday, I went to WalMart and purchased: ReliOn Ultima Blood
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Question: Are the numbers from this meter good. Are there better
>meters than the one I bought, why?

AFAIK they're all much of a muchness accuracy-wise, just differ in
gadget count and cost of the strips - which is important if you're
buying your own, if your insurance was paying you'd be best off with
whatever meter they cover the strips for.

>Well, here are the numbers that I am getting:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>The very small figure in the book "Stop Diabetes" says that I fit more
>into the normal curve than the prediabetic curve.

They look a bit on the high side of normal, certainly "not diabetic
yet" but worth keeping an eye on - especially if your lipids and blood
pressure are starting to go south.

>Question:Can I lower my numbers? Should I lower my numbers. Should I
>begin a low carb diet.

Judging by the above your diet is pretty low carb anyway.

One thing you might try, have a big bowl of breakfast cereal with milk
and wash it down with a glass of orange juice. Your dietician will
love you - BUT if you are heading down the Diabetic Progression such a
high carb load in the morning - when most but not all of us are most
carb-sensitive - will show in the 1 hour and 2 hour post numbers how
much of a rise you get (and if you look at three and four hours out
you may find a pattern where your BG first goes up, then drops back to
normal, then drops substantially *below* normal). This is kind of a
low impact version of a Glucose Tolerance Test. If you get high
numbers off this then you have a pretty good idea what *not* to eat in
the future.
ChristopherL - 18 May 2008 22:02 GMT
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:03:45 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> What were your lipids (cholesterol and importantly triglycerides) and
> blood pressure?

> They look a bit on the high side of normal, certainly "not diabetic
> yet" but worth keeping an eye on - especially if your lipids and blood
> pressure are starting to go south.

Triglycerides 87mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-149
HDL Cholesterol   41mg/dL with Reference Interval 40-59
LDL Cholesterol Calc 89mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-99
T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.6 ratio units with Reference Interval 0.0-1.0
Estimated CHD Risk 0.5 times avg. with Reference Interval 0.0-1.0

What should I do next?

Chris Lusardi
ChristopherL - 18 May 2008 22:23 GMT
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:03:45 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL

> <clusard...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Hello,

> What were your lipids (cholesterol and importantly triglycerides) and
> blood pressure?
> They look a bit on the high side of normal, certainly "not diabetic
> yet" but worth keeping an eye on - especially if your lipids and blood
> pressure are starting to go south.

Triglycerides 87mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-149
HDL Cholesterol   41mg/dL with Reference Interval 40-59
LDL Cholesterol Calc 89mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-99
T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.6 ratio units with Reference Interval 0.0-5.0
Estimated CHD Risk 0.5 times avg. with Reference Interval 0.0-1.0

I just took my blood pressure:

  systolic 118
  diastolic 79

What should I do next?

Chris Lusardi
DonnaB shallotpeel - 19 May 2008 01:04 GMT
On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:23:37 -0700 (PDT), in
<bad66695-bc0b-4af9-a4d0-2cbf0fa1b523@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>

> > On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:03:45 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> What should I do next?

I just read this entire thread. First, I envy your numbers!! <G> Second, I
admire your proactive stance. Third, you're not getting too worried, are you?

Next, before this came up, what was your regular way of eating? And, I mean
specific foods. What kinds of foods? What was a splurge? Where did you get
your protein from?

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ChristopherL - 19 May 2008 03:00 GMT
On May 18, 9:04 pm, DonnaB shallotpeel <shallotp...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:23:37 -0700 (PDT), in
> <bad66695-bc0b-4af9-a4d0-2cbf0fa1b...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

In 1997, I lost 100lbs on low carb. After I lost the weight, I
swicthed to a low fat diet (my food pyramid style). Four years ago I
lost ten more pounds because of love handles. Over this time, I have
moved to semi-vegetarianism, but I will ocassionally eat meat such as
chicken (some times skinless) and turkey.

Before two years ago for five years, I would occasionally (once every
few months) eat at the all you can eat buffets.

In the last year, because I have used Jack LaLane's juicer, I slowly
leaned towards only eating fruits (anything organic) and tofu (and
salmon). The main reason for this is it takes too much time to make
salads! To me fruit is a fast than fast food, just scrub with a brush
and eat! Anyway, I had the blood tests done and here I am. About this
time, I went back to eating high fiber whole organic grains,
vegetables, wild salmon, and a little tofu (could cause thyroid
problems according to a telephone doctor I talked to).

Chris Lusardi
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 05:18 GMT
>  > >Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>  Triglycerides 87mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-149
>  HDL Cholesterol � 41mg/dL with Reference Interval 40-59

Optimal is more than 50 mg/dL.

This indicates that you likely have metabolic syndrome (MetS/IR/IGT)

>  LDL Cholesterol Calc 89mg/dL with Reference Interval 0-99
>  T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.6 ratio units with Reference Interval 0.0-5.0
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>  What should I do next?

It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount, in order to
lose the VAT (black fat):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f20e435e3ec529db?

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic...

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 08:05 GMT
After serious thinking Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote :

> It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount, in order to
> lose the VAT (black fat):

Can you provide references to this term "black fat" and how it is
measured?

Thanks.
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 08:10 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD presented the following explanation :

> It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount, in order to
> lose the VAT (black fat):

What is this "right amount" you keep referring to?  Would it vary from
a diabetic to a non-diabetic?

What is this term "black fat"?  How it is measured?  Can you provide a
reference to a study so I can gain further understanding?

Thanks.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 11:03 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b1021a18f08c77da?

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier...

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 11:10 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote on 19/05/2008 :

> ... by being hungrier:
> It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount, in order to
> lose the VAT (black fat):

What is this "right amount" you keep referring to?  Would it vary from
a diabetic to a non-diabetic?

What is this term "black fat"?  How it is measured?  Can you provide a
reference to a study so I can gain further understanding?

Thanks.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 12:00 GMT
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> What is this term "black fat"?  How it is measured?  Can you provide a
> reference to a study so I can gain further understanding?

Without GOD, you will never have understanding.

> Thanks.

Laus Deo !

May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic...

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 12:22 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote :

>>> It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount, in order to
>>> lose the VAT (black fat):
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Without GOD, you will never have understanding.

So what am I to infer from your statement?  That you have no reference
or don't even know how to measure it?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 22:15 GMT
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote :
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> So what am I to infer from your statement?

That GOD is the Source of all wisdom, knowledge, intelligence, and
understanding.

May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier...

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 22:24 GMT
After serious thinking for over 10 hours Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote

>>>> What is this term "black fat"?  How it is measured?  Can you provide a
>>>> reference to a study so I can gain further understanding?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> That GOD is the Source of all wisdom, knowledge, intelligence, and
> understanding.

Thank you for confirming that there is no inference to be made from
your statement.

"Black-fat tobacco disease."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5035745
[J Pathol. 1972]

Is that where you stole "Black-fat" from?

<spam removed>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 20 May 2008 04:18 GMT
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal sockpuppet) despairingly posted:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Thank you for confirming that there is no inference to be made from
> your statement.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly confirm that you lack understanding.

Laus Deo ! ! !

May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic...

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 20 May 2008 12:32 GMT
After serious thinking Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote :

>>>>> Without GOD, you will never have understanding.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> Thank you for confirming that there is no inference to be made from
>> your statement.

<spam removed>
Trinkwasser - 19 May 2008 19:12 GMT
> > On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:03:45 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> T. Chol/HDL Ratio 3.6 ratio units with Reference Interval 0.0-5.0
> Estimated CHD Risk 0.5 times avg. with Reference Interval 0.0-1.0

That's pretty good, HDL is a bit borderline low though but the
Trigs/HDL ratio is good at 2.12 suggesting you don;t have much insulin
resistance.

> I just took my blood pressure:
>
>   systolic 118
>   diastolic 79

That's pretty acceptable too. (understatement)

> What should I do next?

Watch and wait <G> keep an eye on things, maybe add some fish or fish
oil to your diet, make sure you get plenty of exercise and you'll
probably live until something other than diabetes or cardiovascular
disease carries you off!
Nicky - 20 May 2008 13:15 GMT
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:03:45 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>What should I do next?

Exercise - and have one or two glasses of red wine on most nights.
Both will raise your HDL and reduce any insulin resistance you might
be developing.

IMO your numbers are fine (but need monitoring, say check your 1 and 2
hour post-meal figures after a rice or pasta meal every couple of
months, plus a fasting at the same interval) and your doc gives good
advice.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Jefferson - 20 May 2008 15:52 GMT
>>What should I do next?
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> months, plus a fasting at the same interval) and your doc gives good
> advice.

It looks like a "little" wine also increase insulin secretion.  A
scholar google search turns up quite a few finds for endocrine+
exocrine+pancreas+ethanol+blood+flow. In other words alcohol pushes the
beta-cells to secrete more insulin. This is similar to the complaint
commonly heard about sulfonylurea meds.

Ethanol acutely stimulates islet blood flow, amplifies insulin
secretion, and induces hypoglycemia via NO and vagally mediated
mechanisms -
http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/rapidpdf/en.2007-0632v1

"Discussion
The results of this study indicate that low concentrations of ethanol
elicit a substantial stimulation of islet blood flow (IBF), augmenting
late phase insulin secretion, and also modestly enhance kidney blood
flow (KBF). Ethanol is known to cause vasodilatation. However, the
effects noted in our current work do not seem to reflect a generalized
response in the splanchnic bed, since perfusion in other abdominal
organs, such as the exocrine pancreas and adrenals, was not altered.
... Ethanol consumption is known to increase plasma concentrations of
NO. Since islet blood perfusion is extremely sensitive to nitric oxide
(NO), a local increase in NO production would be expected to
preferentially increase islet blood flow, rather than total pancreatic
blood perfusion. Whether direct NO effects on β-cells impacts insulin
secretion positively, negatively  or not at all  remains highly
controversial, in part due to use of various NO donors for exogenous
delivery of NO in vitro. We speculate that the increased islet and renal
blood flow noted here might in part explain the well known hypoglycemic
and diuretic actions of ethanol. Whole pancreatic blood flow was also
found previously to be unaffected by either acute or chronic ethanol
administration to the rats, lending support to our present results. Our
results, revealing a significantly and preferentially increased islet
blood flow (IBF) without any change in whole pancreatic blood flow
(PBF), indicate redistribution of blood flow within the pancreas.
Ethanol consumption leads to a relatively specific reduction in the
neural regulation of heart rate by vagal pathways. It been shown that
the glucose-induced increase in IBF is mediated by vagal cholinergic
influences; thus, IBF can be regulated in part by vagal mechanisms."

Frank
Nicky - 21 May 2008 08:53 GMT
>It looks like a "little" wine also increase insulin secretion.  A
>scholar google search turns up quite a few finds for endocrine+
>exocrine+pancreas+ethanol+blood+flow. In other words alcohol pushes the
>beta-cells to secrete more insulin. This is similar to the complaint
>commonly heard about sulfonylurea meds.

Mutter, mutter - OK, I'll continue to use it for this reason:

>"Discussion <snip>
>Ethanol consumption leads to a relatively specific reduction in the
>neural regulation of heart rate by vagal pathways. It been shown that
>the glucose-induced increase in IBF is mediated by vagal cholinergic
>influences; thus, IBF can be regulated in part by vagal mechanisms."

Nicky (Being very selective about what insulin secretors she's
avoiding :(  
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
ChristopherL - 21 May 2008 15:38 GMT
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:02:59 -0700 (PDT), ChristopherL
>
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> Nicky.

Monitoring numbers sounds simple, but is it as simple as you describe.
What numbers should make me jump. What are all the nice details?

I have to express my thanks to every one who has posted an article.

Anyway, for many years I have eaten only one meal a day. One of the
biggest things I have learned is to try and eat many meals during the
day.

Because I am wearing braces, I will do so until they come off. It
takes a long time to brush and floss. Braces cause cavities. But, you
can bet that when the braces come off (in late Nov) I will try to eat
6 meals a day. Does anyone have any suggestions.

Again many thanks,
My heart is with  you
Chris Lusardi
Nicky - 21 May 2008 19:37 GMT
>Monitoring numbers sounds simple, but is it as simple as you describe.
>What numbers should make me jump. What are all the nice details?
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

> But, you
>can bet that when the braces come off (in late Nov) I will try to eat
>6 meals a day. Does anyone have any suggestions.

Try googling on "recipe low carb <whatever>" - you'll be amazed at the
choice! lowcarbcookworx.com is fun. Actually, the Drs Eades are
currently into intermittent fasting, which might suit you...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Ozgirl - 19 May 2008 05:05 GMT
Christopher, diabetic control is a meal by meal thing. One needs to eat the
right amount of carbs per meal and snack to avoid bg rises.  If you for
example ate a lot of carbs divided by 3 meals you would have a greater bg
impact than if you ate your carbs over 6 meals/snacks spaced out.

> Hello,
>
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> I apologize if I posted this to the wrong newsgroup,
> Christopher Lusardi
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 19 May 2008 05:11 GMT
> Hello,

Hi :-)

> I'm 51 years old, and trying to live better and longer!

Understandably.

> I recently got a sale that I couldn't walk away from. It was a
> comprehensive blood test.
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> Question: Will only eating meat one day a week reduce my mg/dL
> numbers.

In our collective clinical experience, the key to becoming more
insulin-sensitive thereby improving blood glucose control is losing
the VAT (black fat):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f20e435e3ec529db?

> I went out and bought a few books on blood tests, and diabetes.
> Yesterday, I went to WalMart and purchased: ReliOn Ultima Blood
> Glucose Monitoring System for about $9.00 along with the corresponding
> strips, and lancets.
>
> Question: Are the numbers from this meter good.

They should be reliable.

> Are there better meters than the one I bought, why?

It meets the needs of most people.

> Well, here are the numbers that I am getting:
>
> 1)After fasting 14 hours: 113 mg/dL

Suboptimal.

> 2)I ate a big salad with many vegetables. 1/2 hour later: 99mg/dL.
> 3)2 hours later 116mg/dL
> 4)4 hours later 124mg/dL

The size of the salad being big is a problem.

> 5)After (4) ate the remaining portion of the large salad. 10 and 1/2
> hours later: 121mg/dL

Suboptimal.

> 6)After (5) I was hungry so I ate 5oz frozen wild salmon,

Hunger means wanting to eat and not needing to eat.

Moreover, it is when we are hungry that our blood glucose is most
likely going to be normal (70-90 mg/dL).

Hunger is wonderful:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117245343707310e?

> Poland
> minched meat in 14.99oz can, light tuna 6 oz can, 8.4oz Herring in a
> can along with a little dried organic fruit (3 prunes, 3 apricots, few
> cranberries) etc. One hour later: 126 mg/dL.

The amount was excessive.

Consequently, the blood glucose was high.

> The very small figure in the book "Stop Diabetes" says that I fit more
> into the normal curve than the prediabetic curve.
>
> Question:Can I lower my numbers?

Yes.

> Should I lower my numbers.

Yes.

> Should I begin a low carb diet.

It remains smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount.

> Question: What else should I know.

See above.

> Thanks,

Laus Deo :-)

> I apologize if I posted this to the wrong newsgroup,
> Christopher Lusardi

You have posted this to the right newsgroup.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic...

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
Uncle Frederik - 19 May 2008 08:11 GMT
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD formulated on Monday :

>> Hello,
>
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>> Question: What else should I know.

Question: What is this "right amount" you keep referring to?  Would it
vary from a diabetic to a non-diabetic?

What is this term "black fat"?  How it is measured?  Can you provide a
reference to a study so I can gain further understanding?

Thanks.
 
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