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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / May 2008Slowly But Surely....
Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for next Wednesday....hopefully BG readings be down by then and will not need Rx......but I am hoping <after reading my notes I am taking> he will write Rx for testing strips. I am sure my insurance will pay for a least part. Anyway, today I saw the "highs" being lower....except for evening "snack" FBS 157 Breakfast Sausage/cheese omelet 1 slice of 9 carb toast w/1 tsp. butter 1/2 cup milk 1 hr PP 167 2 hr PP none taken 3 hr PP 151 Dinner 1 cup <chunks with pepper/onion> sauteed in 1 tsp. EVOO 1 1/2 cup green beans 1/3 cup cottage cheese 1/2 cup milk 1 hr PP 164 2 hr PP 155 3 hr PP 160 8PM snack 1 cup garden salad w/2 tbsp. dressing 1 hr PP 191 2 hr PP 185 3 hr PP 131 Total: 1257 Fat: 81 727 59% Sat: 25 222 18% Poly: 20 180 15% Mono: 30 269 22% Carbs: 39 132 11% Fiber: 6 0 0% Protein: 93 373 30% Alcohol: 0 0 0% Thanks again for tolerating my rantings/ravings. I feel/it seems this is only place currently I have to get any support. Hubby is really trying his best with new meal plans, but most everyone else I try to talk about ...about this, seems to think I am overreacting .... am I? I worked for 30 years in our local hospital and saw many times what diabetes does to people. I DO NOT want this to get the best of me....but gosh it is really hard isn't it? Thanks, again. Brenda Dinner should have read on 1st line 1 cup chicken chunks <with pepper/onion> Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for next Wednesday....hopefully BG readings be down by then and will not need Rx......but I am hoping <after reading my notes I am taking> he will write Rx for testing strips. I am sure my insurance will pay for a least part. Anyway, today I saw the "highs" being lower....except for evening "snack" FBS 157 Breakfast Sausage/cheese omelet 1 slice of 9 carb toast w/1 tsp. butter 1/2 cup milk 1 hr PP 167 2 hr PP none taken 3 hr PP 151 Dinner 1 cup <chunks with pepper/onion> sauteed in 1 tsp. EVOO 1 1/2 cup green beans 1/3 cup cottage cheese 1/2 cup milk 1 hr PP 164 2 hr PP 155 3 hr PP 160 8PM snack 1 cup garden salad w/2 tbsp. dressing 1 hr PP 191 2 hr PP 185 3 hr PP 131 Total: 1257 Fat: 81 727 59% Sat: 25 222 18% Poly: 20 180 15% Mono: 30 269 22% Carbs: 39 132 11% Fiber: 6 0 0% Protein: 93 373 30% Alcohol: 0 0 0% Thanks again for tolerating my rantings/ravings. I feel/it seems this is only place currently I have to get any support. Hubby is really trying his best with new meal plans, but most everyone else I try to talk about ...about this, seems to think I am overreacting .... am I? I worked for 30 years in our local hospital and saw many times what diabetes does to people. I DO NOT want this to get the best of me....but gosh it is really hard isn't it? Thanks, again. Brenda You'd still do better without that milk. And you really do need to eat something for lunch. Even if it's just a handful of nuts or seeds. "Brenda" <here@home.com> wrote in message news:482e4f3e$0$5087$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for next Wednesday....hopefully BG readings be down by then and will not need Rx......but I am hoping <after reading my notes I am taking> he will write Rx for testing strips. I am sure my insurance will pay for a least part. Anyway, today I saw the "highs" being lower....except for evening "snack" FBS 157 Breakfast Sausage/cheese omelet 1 slice of 9 carb toast w/1 tsp. butter 1/2 cup milk 1 hr PP 167 2 hr PP none taken 3 hr PP 151 Dinner 1 cup <chunks with pepper/onion> sauteed in 1 tsp. EVOO 1 1/2 cup green beans 1/3 cup cottage cheese 1/2 cup milk 1 hr PP 164 2 hr PP 155 3 hr PP 160 8PM snack 1 cup garden salad w/2 tbsp. dressing 1 hr PP 191 2 hr PP 185 3 hr PP 131 Total: 1257 Fat: 81 727 59% Sat: 25 222 18% Poly: 20 180 15% Mono: 30 269 22% Carbs: 39 132 11% Fiber: 6 0 0% Protein: 93 373 30% Alcohol: 0 0 0% Thanks again for tolerating my rantings/ravings. I feel/it seems this is only place currently I have to get any support. Hubby is really trying his best with new meal plans, but most everyone else I try to talk about ...about this, seems to think I am overreacting .... am I? I worked for 30 years in our local hospital and saw many times what diabetes does to people. I DO NOT want this to get the best of me....but gosh it is really hard isn't it? Thanks, again. Brenda You'd still do better without that milk. And you really do need to eat something for lunch. Even if it's just a handful of nuts or seeds. Julie is right about lunch. If you do not eat for hours at a time, your liver is going to dump extra glucose into your bloodstream. Not good.  SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for next Wednesday....hopefully BG readings be down by then and will not need Rx......but I am hoping <after reading my notes I am taking> he will write Rx for testing strips. I am sure my insurance will pay for a least part. Anyway, today I saw the "highs" being lower....except for evening "snack" > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >1 slice of 9 carb toast w/1 tsp. butter >1/2 cup milk Cut the milk out of your day. Sorry, I know you like it - maybe you can add it back in six months. But for now it's hurting you. That will also let you know whether the toast or the milk is the main culprit. >1 hr PP 167 >2 hr PP none taken >3 hr PP 151 You're staying high a long time. Cutting the milk not only cuts carbs - it also cuts fats. You can probably dispense with the 3hr. >Dinner >1 cup <chunks with pepper/onion> sauteed in 1 tsp. EVOO >1 1/2 cup green beans >1/3 cup cottage cheese >1/2 cup milk See above:-) >1 hr PP 164 >2 hr PP 155 >3 hr PP 160 > >8PM snack >1 cup garden salad w/2 tbsp. dressing What was the dressing recipe? >1 hr PP 191 >2 hr PP 185 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Thanks, again. >Brenda On the totals that was a very low-carb day; however, your numbers won't drop immediately. The 3hr after dinner was promising, but you can probably drop that extra test tomorrow. It's possible you've actually gone too far in cutting carbs, but it won't hurt to keep trying for a day or two until you can see a pattern emerge. Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days = > to just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for = [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > FBS 157 It's not sugar, it's glucose. Hence: FBG 157 > Breakfast > Sausage/cheese omelet [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 2 hr PP none taken > 3 hr PP 151 Unless you have cholesterol problems, butter is good. Better than most margarines, by far! Use it. > Dinner > 1 cup <chunks with pepper/onion> sauteed in 1 tsp. EVOO [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 2 hr PP 155 > 3 hr PP 160 EVOO is very good for you! Use a lot of it. Fish is excellent. Try to eat it at least a couple of times a week. Try 1/4 cup of half & half instead of the milk. I love it, but use extra heavy cream in my coffee (on occasion - I prefer it strong and black). > 8PM snack > 1 cup garden salad w/2 tbsp. dressing > 1 hr PP 191 > 2 hr PP 185 > 3 hr PP 131 What kinds of veggies in the salad, my dear? What are the specs on the dressing? > Total: 1257 =20 > Fat: 81 727 59%=20 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Protein: 93 373 30%=20 > Alcohol: 0 0 0%=20 Does that carb number include the fiber? > Thanks again for tolerating my rantings/ravings. I feel/it seems this = > is only place currently I have to get any support. Hubby is really = [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > diabetes does to people. I DO NOT want this to get the best of = > me....but gosh it is really hard isn't it? My good friend, Big Jim, in Florida, has lost both legs to diabetes over the years, but he's got a great attitude. Just gets on with life! My kid brother has had T2 for around 30 years. He's almost blind in one eye, can hardly see out of the other! He's had several operations, with slight improvement. Those who think you're overreacting have obviously not been "blessed" with this disease. I will hold my tongue about them. ;-) I don't think you've been ranting or raving, Brenda. You've been dealt a tough hand, probably without prior notice. You've asked questions, researched, absorbed the good information you've been provided here, started taking notes and working on your diet. How's your exercise, by the way? Have hubby put you on a leash and take you for a walk around the block. LMAO Take care. SignatureNick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ >Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for next Wednesday....hopefully BG readings be down by then and will not need Rx......but I am hoping <after reading my notes I am taking> he will write Rx for testing strips. I am sure my insurance will pay for a least part. Anyway, today I saw the "highs" being lower....except for evening "snack" > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >1/2 cup milk >1 hr PP 167 Brenda, Keep it up - your post-meal spikes are waaaay better than they have been! A 10-point rise from about 13-14g carbs in that breakfast is not bad at all. It's actually about twice the carbs I can tolerate in the morning... Your big problem now is that fasting figure - a number that high will keep you high all day. Right now your body has something called glucose toxicity, where it's being poisoned by excess glucose. As you continue to low carb, you will see a sudden big drop in your numbers as you break through that barrier. Took me around 3 weeks, I think. I agree with Julie - you should have some small thing at lunchtime, just to keep your body ticking over. A handful of almonds or walnuts is a fine idea. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for next Wednesday....hopefully BG readings be down by then and will not need Rx......but I am hoping <after reading my notes I am taking> he will write Rx for testing strips. I am sure my insurance will pay for a least part. Anyway, today I saw the "highs" being lower....except for evening "snack" Two points [1] can you configure your software to post in plain text? Probably someone using Windows Mail can tell you how to do that. It's highly possible that some servers will drop your messages otherwise and people will be prevented from reading them. [2] don't be afraid of medications, something like metformin which works on the insulin resistance may be a good idea at first: when you are getting down to more reasonable numbers you may be able to come off it again later Also you need a workup for such things as lipids and blood pressure, and it would be helpful to know your weight also - so we know what we're dealing with - these three items are usually interlinked in Type 2 but not always. The usual starter triumvirate for treatment is something for the insulin resistance, ACE or ARB for blood pressure (which also has kidney and cardioprotective effects) and maybe a statin for the lipids - not everyone gets on well with them, there are other approaches to improving your lipids and the HDL and triglycerides which are usually high will respond to a combination of diet and exercise. >Thanks again for tolerating my rantings/ravings. I feel/it seems this is only place currently I have to get any support. Hubby is really trying his best with new meal plans, but most everyone else I try to talk about ...about this, seems to think I am overreacting .... am I? I worked for 30 years in our local hospital and saw many times what diabetes does to people. I DO NOT want this to get the best of me....but gosh it is really hard isn't it? No you are NOT overreacting. More than one cardiologist is of the opinion that Type 2 is a cardiovascular disease occasionally associated with high BG - not the eejit who writes here who is mentally ill - the damage starts long long before you actually reach the diagnostic criteria for "diabetes" and the earlier you start work on it and the more proactive you are the more chance you have of reducing the possibility of complications and an early death. Yes it's hard at first, it means relearning a lot of what you have been told is gospel, but therre are plenty of folks here and elsewhere who have made major improvements not only in their current symptoms but in their future disintegration. >>Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to >>just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for next [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > possible that some servers will drop your messages otherwise and > people will be prevented from reading them. Start Windows Mail, then click on Tools, then Options, then Send. Under News Sending Format, click on the circle before Plain Text, then Apply. Click on OK. If you reply to a post that isn't in plain text, though, your reply won't be in plain text either. Hi Brenda, I'm going to take your post backwards so to speak. In my experience--doesn't apply to all--when some men feel helpless to change the situation they tend to minimize it. Your husband can't slay this dragon for you, so he doesn't know how to deal with it. I bet if he could, this diabetes dragon would already be dead, burned, and in the ground. Don't hold it against him. Heck, in this case, that's what you've got us for. ;-) We'll help you slay this dragon. And no, you are not over-reacting. You are right to take this seriously. You're right, diabetes that is ignored gets damn ugly. Actually, what is striking me, at least with breakfast is that your meal isn't raising your BG that much--at least at one hour. (Since you didn't test before the other meals--I'm not sure.) Although I still wonder how your body would react without the toast and milk--but I do see that you are cutting down. Good job! I'm glad you've made an appt with your doctor. I almost suggested it in my last post. Many Type 2's benefit immensely from adding metformin. It *should* be the first med your doctor considers adding. Since your FBG is being rather stubborn, I have been wondering if you need it. Okay, gal. Hang in there! SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for next Wednesday....hopefully BG readings be down by then and will not need Rx......but I am hoping <after reading my notes I am taking> he will write Rx for testing strips. I am sure my insurance will pay for a least part. Anyway, today I saw the "highs" being lower....except for evening "snack" FBS 157 Breakfast Sausage/cheese omelet 1 slice of 9 carb toast w/1 tsp. butter 1/2 cup milk 1 hr PP 167 2 hr PP none taken 3 hr PP 151 Dinner 1 cup <chunks with pepper/onion> sauteed in 1 tsp. EVOO 1 1/2 cup green beans 1/3 cup cottage cheese 1/2 cup milk 1 hr PP 164 2 hr PP 155 3 hr PP 160 8PM snack 1 cup garden salad w/2 tbsp. dressing 1 hr PP 191 2 hr PP 185 3 hr PP 131 Total: 1257 Fat: 81 727 59% Sat: 25 222 18% Poly: 20 180 15% Mono: 30 269 22% Carbs: 39 132 11% Fiber: 6 0 0% Protein: 93 373 30% Alcohol: 0 0 0% Thanks again for tolerating my rantings/ravings. I feel/it seems this is only place currently I have to get any support. Hubby is really trying his best with new meal plans, but most everyone else I try to talk about ...about this, seems to think I am overreacting .... am I? I worked for 30 years in our local hospital and saw many times what diabetes does to people. I DO NOT want this to get the best of me....but gosh it is really hard isn't it? Thanks, again. Brenda > Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to > just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. Whoa! Don't forget about all those lovely non-starchy vegies! Priscilla, T2, diet & exercise You are not over reacting. Have you added any exercise into all this? Walking would be great if that is all you can manage. > Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few > days to just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Thanks, again. > Brenda > Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for next Wednesday....hopefully BG readings be down by then and will not need Rx......but I am hoping <after reading my notes I am taking> he will write Rx for testing strips. I am sure my insurance will pay for a least part. Anyway, today I saw the "highs" being lower....except for evening "snack" > > FBS 157 > > Breakfast > Sausage/cheese omelet 4 to 12 ounces or more. > 1 slice of 9 carb toast w/1 tsp. butter 1 to 3 ounces > 1/2 cup milk 4 ounces Subtotal: 9 to 19 ounces of food. > 1 hr PP 167 > 2 hr PP none taken > 3 hr PP 151 > Dinner > 1 cup <chunks with pepper/onion> sauteed in 1 tsp. EVOO 8 ounces > 1 1/2 cup green beans 12 ounces > 1/3 cup cottage cheese 3 ounces. > 1/2 cup milk 4 ounces. Subtotal: 27 ounces. > 1 hr PP 164 > 2 hr PP 155 > 3 hr PP 160 > > 8PM snack > 1 cup garden salad w/2 tbsp. dressing Subtotal: 8 ounces. > 1 hr PP 191 > 2 hr PP 185 > 3 hr PP 131 > > Total: 1257 Meaningless, because it is not possible to measure the calories of food that is actually eaten because incineration of the food would be required. More meaningful is the estimated total amount of food being: 44 to 54 ounces or more. Because, this estimate could have been replaced with an actual measurement thereby allowing you to eat less, down to the right amount. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic... Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ, Andrew <>< -- http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? >> Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to >> just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for next [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > food that is actually eaten because incineration of the food would be > required. Yes, Chung, best not to measure the food by closely approximating its calories and other critically important measures and replace it with a nearly meaningless and still inexact measure of food weight which could vary wildly in those measures because you are willing to allow your idiotic and dead-wrong interpretation of the bible to control how you advise diet-critical people how to eat rather than good science. > More meaningful is the estimated total amount of food being: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > measurement thereby allowing you to eat less, down to the right > amount. Quack. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117958cf266006d9? <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? Zen Cohen laid this down on his screen : >>> Weaning myself from milk & bread. I am going to try for next few days to >>> just eat meat/chicken/fish/eggs/cheese. I did make Dr. appt. for next [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > dead-wrong interpretation of the bible to control how you advise > diet-critical people how to eat rather than good science. The only place fit for the 2PD diet to be published in, would be in the humor section of a scientific magazine. >> More meaningful is the estimated total amount of food being: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Quack. The 2PD nonsense is so ridiculous that Dr Chung has to constantly spam newsgroups and respond to each post on Usenet with "Be hungry.." "eat down to the right amount..." ... However, yet no one follows this diet because it's rubbish and illogical. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3238bedb3f52c95f? <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117245343707310e? on 19/05/2008, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD supposed : <spam removed> The 2pound diet still is rubbish. Perhaps it is time to invent something that actually works Dr Chung... http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117958cf266006d9? <>< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17? The 2pound diet still is rubbish. Perhaps it is time to invent something that actually works Dr Chung... > The 2pound diet still is rubbish. > > Perhaps it is time to invent something that actually works Dr Chung... Isn't it about time for you to post something on-topic? Signaturemonkfish * The followup-to header is set to alt.christnet.theology. ** alt.atheism is removed from the groups header. |
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