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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2004Body building and type 2? Testosterone patches
. This is a long shot but has anyone with mild type 2 diabetes tried body building (over age 60) with the aid of testosterone injections or patches (that tends to make blood sugar problems worse...also body building means a high protien diet) Phil Scott Phil Scott wrote in message ... >. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Phil Scott I don't know what the testosterone will do but I have read medical sites which claim that: a. The mere act of Resistance weight training is wonderful for T2 bG control; b. Then, as an added bonus, the extra muscle is wonderful for T2 bG control. So your question is actually: "Will the great benefits of resistance training be overcome by the bG raising effects of testosterone?" Let us know when you figure out an answer. Regards Old Al > Phil Scott wrote in message ... > >. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Regards > Old Al Thanks Al, looks like its going to be wonderful... this whole thing is a bit unnerving though, a young lady walked into the sauna yesterday and started to unzip her thingie, I was able to stop her before she embarrassed herself fortunately. Phil Phil, It isn't exactly "body building" but I have driven my middle aged, once-fat, ruptured disc'd body down to 24% body fat through a combination of daily high intensity cardio treadmill and some very mild upper body weight training. That's a 3-5% body fat reduction in six months. I've got some very impressive looking leg muscles too. No need for testosterone. (I'm not all that cute in a beard.) I eat 90 - 100 grams of protein a day as part of my low carb regimen. What is really interesting is that the 30 minute high intensity treadmill sessions have not only firmed up the legs, they've done great things for my arms too. No more "angel wings" flapping! The trainer at my gym says that most people don't realize that using your biggest muscles (legs) intensively will burn fat off of the rest of your body much better than doing targetted weight training regimes. I also read that the similarity between leg and arm muscles will cause the arms to improve when the legs do. It worked for me. -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes > . > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Phil Scott > Phil, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > sessions have not only firmed up the legs, they've done great things for my > arms too. No more "angel wings" flapping! well............ I did 10 minutes at 3.5 mph, I did the fitness test and almost died...my heart rate went up to 160...then after 5 minutes of that it let me go and said 'below average=27' at me. > The trainer at my gym says that most people don't realize that using your > biggest muscles (legs) intensively will burn fat off of the rest of your > body much better than doing targetted weight training regimes. I also read > that the similarity between leg and arm muscles will cause the arms to > improve when the legs do. It worked for me. Thats very interesting. Im doing 6 days a week, 3 on resistance machines,with a little cardio thron in... and 2 on cardio only (the treadmill) Phil Scott > -- Jenny > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > Phil Scott Phil, The trick with the treadmill is to work up to the cardio levels slowly. When I first started out my heart rate would shoot up into the 99% range and stay there for 15 minutes after I stopped. I had to go to a cardiologist to get it checked out. He said I was just severely out of shape, but did not have an abnormality. So I started working on a regimen that kept my heart rate at 112 bpm for 30 minutes. That often meant going 2 mph! After a few weeks, I pushed it to 115. Then 118. I spent 3 months in the 120s. Eventually my heart rate stabilized. I inched it up a bit more. Now after nine months of doing this, I routinely exercise at 132 with intervals that go up to 150. My heart rate recovery is very good. It will come back down to close to 132 in a minute. With 5 minutes of cooldown I'm back to 102 bpm. When I do the fit test now, it tells me I'm "above average." I don't go faster than 3.5 mph because it messes up my back. I do intervals at a steep slope, but I don't stay at a steep slope for too long also because of the back. I try to do 40 minutes of cardio level 4 or 5 times a week. I break the 40 minutes into 2 sets of twenty so I don't die of boredom. It's pretty amazing what good it's done for my body! -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes > > Phil, > > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > > > > Phil Scott > Phil, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > It's pretty amazing what good it's done for my body! Thanks for the info. Phil Scott > -- Jenny > [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > > > > > > > > Phil Scott >Phil, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >-- Jenny Hi Jenny, When you are measuring your heart rate on the treadmill do you use a heart monitor that you wear or do you use one built into the treadmill? I have tried the monitors built into the treadmill that I use and I get readings between 32 and 269. There is no discernible relationship between the heart reading and where I am in my workout. I am 61, I use the treadmill for an hour 5-6 days a week, I have a left bundle branch block, and two brand new knees. -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com bettyb at flamingo dash code dot com "If wishes were Saabs, all type A's would ride" by Tom Darbyshire & Stephan Underhill Betty, I use the heart rate monitor built into the handles on the treadmill at the gym. It's a very expensive one, the same brand (LifeFitness??) as the one I used at my previous gym and very consistent. I've tried cheaper treadmills with built in monitors at stores and had the same experience you report with the heart rate numbers being all over the place. The Precor ones at my other gym were okay but sometimes gave obviously screwed up readings too. I looked into the chest strap monitors but given the architecture of my chest (think Dolly Parton) I'm not sure it would be all that helpful. I mean, it would be darn near sitting on my waist. <g> -- Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes > >Phil, > > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > "If wishes were Saabs, all type A's would ride" > by Tom Darbyshire & Stephan Underhill >Betty, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >-- Jenny My gym uses Precor treadmills. 20 years ago I tried one of the chest strap monitors - it worked OK for walking, was inconsistent when running, and didn't register at all when I was bicycling. I may try another one because I would really like to work to my heart rate. -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com bettyb at flamingo dash code dot com "If wishes were Saabs, all type A's would ride" by Tom Darbyshire & Stephan Underhill The strap is supposed to be placed right under the breast -- almost exactly where the underwire on a bra would go. My wife finds it a bit uncomfortable there, however Polar (the leading HRM manufacturer) makes a sports bra that also holds the strap that she likes.  SignatureT2 - HbA1c: 5.4% http://www.bollar.org/diabetes.htm > I looked into the chest strap monitors but given the architecture of my > chest (think Dolly Parton) I'm not sure it would be all that helpful. I > mean, it would be darn near sitting on my waist. <g> > > -- Jenny > The strap is supposed to be placed right under the breast -- almost exactly > where the underwire on a bra would go. My wife finds it a bit uncomfortable [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > -- Jenny Ah, My kind of woman :-) SignatureSteve, T2 since 9/29/03 > Betty, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > -- Jenny Ok...now Jen...since you brought the subject up... do those babies stick out front and center like Dollies? Or are they more casually arrayed as you suggest with yer waistline comment...but thats still very impressive. I didnt want to use military terms. Let me try again. ..I dont know how to say this....do they splay out to sides like Daisy Maes? We need more info here to get you set up with a good heart monitor. Phil Scott > Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! > New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > "If wishes were Saabs, all type A's would ride" > > by Tom Darbyshire & Stephan Underhill I've experimented with different kinds of exercise in the six years since I was diagnosed with diabetes type II. One of the biggest and most immediate gains was in terms of weight loss. I went from an original weight of 224 lbs and a bmi of 30.4 (obese) to 174 lbs and a bmi of 23.6 (normal range) which I've now maintained for several years. That has had an incredible effect on maintaining good blood sugar control, though it still requries watching my diet and daily maintenance exercise. The routine I settled on and that worked best for me was VARIED exercise. My routine now is: - walk 40 minutes after each of the 3 major meals - every second day replace one of my brisk flat walks with a 1000 stairs up and down activity - twice a week replace one of my walks with a 45 minutes hard rowing (I live by the ocean and have a 12 foot rowing skiff tied up outside) I also use a diet based on about 60 percent carbs but using low GI carbs only - wouldn't touch mashed potatoes, white rice or pasta with a ten foot pole. I also avoid red meat, use a lot of fish and very little prepackaged/processed food. Consequently, I'm able to maintain acceptable blood sugars without oral meds or insulin or going to a high protein/fat low carb diet like so many do these days. My most recent hba1c was 5.2 and this is what my blood sugar log looks like for yesterday, Christmas Eve: Morning fasting: 85 1 hr. after breakfast: 101 2 hrs. after breakfast: 97 1 hr. after lunch: 113 2 hrs. after lunch: 111 1 hr. after dinner: 128 2 hrs. after dinner: 86 (after stairwalking) Lipids (cholesterol etc.) and blood pressure in normal range. I know that spending two hours a day, every day of the year, on an activity plan may sound extreme, but I think the main reason it works so well, and is substainable, is that it is varied. I've also been called everything from crazy to 'that's totally insane, I could never do that' but it's to each and one to decide their priorities. For me, it was question of cutting out television in the evening, which last time I checked wasn't doing me any good anyway. > . > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Phil Scott > I've experimented with different kinds of exercise in the six years since I > was diagnosed with diabetes type II. One of the biggest and most immediate [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > television in the evening, which last time I checked wasn't doing me any > good anyway. Thanks, Im glad to hear the protien is good, and I dont know what GI carbs are..but I know pasta, potatoes and white rice are bad. Ive been doing a process to get rid of amyloids from the nervous system (causes alzheimers) I discovered the tactic myself, the dr thought I was nutz and that was close, but a few thousand hours of study in neurology etc confimed I was on track but still ahead of the latest research. these amyloids also pinch off the micro blood vessels and make the lymph fluid sticky so it doesnt service the cells...etc. (I used various products to change the amyloid structure enough that the immune system (microglia cells) attacked the amyloids and burned them off with a real strong burnt alfalfa smell for a few years...progress was slow but Im not rummy anymore...and can work out now without getting sore muscles....5 years ago, 2 hours work and I had to recover for 3 days....now i can work hard 6 hours a day, 6 days a week and not get sore..and awake the next day with no stiffness...I attribute that to the amyloid purge. I dont recommend the protocol, it was nasty and for all I know could easily be fatal... a pill is on the way or at least it is being heavily worked on. That will change a lot of lives. The last trial on a pill was stopped in 2001 after a few months because of brain swelling. ( I had that and brain stem swelling to deblitating levels but figured since I was almost dead anyway, that Id see how it worked out....for me it worked out very well... I am back doing well again. and I feel like working hard.) For an indicator of progress.... I was a junk food junkie and last year two cups of ice cream and I would get in real bad shape for two days. I could tolerate one TV dinner a day max...if I did everything else well. In the last 3 weeks Ive eaten 8 half gallons if real ice cream.. and did not get a bad reaction unless I ate half a gallon in one day...then I got a slight tired reaction. (Now Im back on a clean diet...I just started the work outs two days ago). I can eat 3 TV dinners a day and still feel great. ( I know thats bad...but its a good test) Ive also been taking a multiple enzyme (for all kinds of food, fats, carbs and protien)..with meals and that has done a lot of good. It appears that todays processed food is so finely processed that it leaks through the gut wall to the blood undigested where it forms various brands of sludge and plaques. The enzymes help to digest the stuff before it can leak though in tact. Phil Scott > > . > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > Phil Scott >. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Phil Scott My doc refuses to prescribe testosterone unless it is a special case. He feels it introduces an unacceptable cancer risk. Just found a relative of my wife has testicular cancer and it has spread. Prognosis is not good. Another side of the story. Guy >. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Phil Scott steroids cause the blood sugar problems. weight lifting itself does not. and one does not have to eat a high protein diet to be a body builder, which wouldn't cause any problems anyway unless you already health problems like pre existing kidney damage. Mack Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > . > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Phil Scott to day body building means you must be on a high protein diet is totally wrong from what I read. once a body builder bulks up he may switch to a high protein diet in order to cut up but during muscle building it is carbs that fuel the work out. (from what I read) A single body builder will adjust their diet constantly. depending upon what they are looking to do. there is a great book for nutrition and body building called "sliced" nutrition is difficult to get right - body building is difficult to get right diabetes is difficult to get right. put all three of those together and you have one difficult job - if you want to do it right. I only hope I get back to the point where I can say I am body building and when I do now that I am diabetic - I will definitely use the help of a dietitian. you will be surprised how many body builders that you see in gyms work much harder to accomplish less then if they really understood body building and nutrition. If I get back to that point my 2 best tools will be my dietitian and the book called "sliced" am I given you advice? Nope saying what I feel. there is or was a diabetic body builder that I read about years ago. all I remember is he was black and was pretty famous in the world of body building. also body building over 35 years old is much different then when younger. I can only imagine what it will be like for someone over 60. please be careful and consult professionals. Tom > > . > > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > and consult professionals. > Tom Thanks...I will be reading a lot. Its good to hear that I dont have to do overkill on protien. On the age issue, I think with advancing age, and for us who associate with architects the resulting brain decay dulls the pain...so its fine.\ So far I like it though. Phil Scott Oguk > > > . > > > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Oguk please ad ( I think to the beginning of each sentence) Back in the day when I was weight lifting way too many hours ( I know that now) I was eating every 2 hours pretty big meals too. I learned what I could about nutrition for body building and gave it my best shot. at my last weight 10 years ago at the age of 29 I was 213lbs almost with a 34 inch waist. working out about 3 - 4 hours a day. for body building that is way too much. for a boxer that might not be that much. I was actually burning muscle at the same time I was trying to build it. a body builder over the age of 35 will see much better results by working out hmmm lets say 1 muscle group every day and then letting it rest while the next few days are spent working out other muscle groups. over the age of 60 I really hope you talk to a doctor ( not friends in the gym) about a good work out for you. you just might find you work out less than your friends while getting much better results. body builders use low rep high weight work outs. I notice a lot do it in pyramid start off with a small amount of weight and do 15 reps and after each set add more weight and do less reps. last set about 8 reps. you start off with low weight high reps to help warm your joints. if you start off with the high weight low reps you might do more damage to your joints then good. I would think low weight high reps would be a better work out for those over 60.. personally I would think sets of 20 with light weight to help strengthen muscle as well as joints. I was just sharing what I believe the only advice I will give is - you are diabetic - you are over 60 - don't go to friends go to professionals. a couple of questions. are you a body builder that just turned diabetic? or have you done it in the past? Tom "Extreme-cc's" <MrGantlet911(romove)@yahoo.com> wrote in message snip > please ad ( I think to the beginning of each sentence) > Back in the day when I was weight lifting way too many hours ( I know that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > for a boxer that might not be that much. I was actually burning muscle at > the same time I was trying to build it. Thanks, I was just thinking about that range of issues today. How about a real light workout on the off days...say 50% of the usual weight and duration? > a body builder over the age of 35 will see much better results by working > out hmmm lets say 1 muscle group every day Ive read that just recently too. even 3 or 4 days between working a muscle group. > and then letting it rest while the next few days are spent working out other > muscle groups. > over the age of 60 I really hope you talk to a doctor ( not friends in the > gym) about a good work out for you. I plan on seeing a sports medicine doctor. in conjuction with my preventive medicine doctor. They do well for me...but I am in advance of thier insights on a few issues. > you just might find you work out less than your friends while getting much > better results. Im sure...so far from you the clue I get is... take it easy, and rest the muscle for a few days between workouts. For my first month I am going to do all the machines 3 or 4 days a week lightly..that us below the burn stage...and cardio ...... then after the first month go for targeted muscle groups heavy and with a 3 to 4 day rest before hitting it again. How does that sound? > body builders use low rep high weight work outs. I notice a lot do it in > pyramid start off with a small amount of weight [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > high reps would be > a better work out for those over 60.. >personally I would think sets of 20 > with light weight to help > strengthen muscle as well as joints. Thats about what I am currently doing. I dont need an injury to keep me out of the gym. The weights I use would allow maybe 50% or 100% more reps than Im doing. > I was just sharing what I believe the > only advice > I will give is - you are diabetic - you are over 60 - don't go to friends go > to professionals. > a couple of questions. > are you a body builder that just turned diabetic? I am a sit on my engineer that turned diabetic 5 years ago, so i started contracting (working with the tools)...and have lost 50 lbs and gained some muscle...and gotten rid of amyloids and that worked real well, I dont get tired or sore to any great degree when I work anymore. (see other posts) and now am going back to flat tracking (motorcycle racing on the 1/2 mile ovals)... I want to be strong for that and I want to look good. . Phil Scott > or have you done it in the past? > Tom > "Extreme-cc's" <MrGantlet911(romove)@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > about a real light workout on the off days...say 50% of the usual weight and > duration? 3 days 30 minutes will be fantastic and enough in the begining. but hell yea go for a walk or something on your off days - but i wouldnt hit the stepper or anything extreme for atleast a month after a steady 30 minute 3 day a week hard work out. it really all depends on how much effit you put into your work outs. i usually end up going a pyramid work out 20 reps - 15 - 12 - 8 - then 20 again or until i just can do anymore. with 30 seconds inbetween each set and 1 - 1 1/2 minutes between exercises. > > a body builder over the age of 35 will see much better results by working > > out hmmm lets say 1 muscle group every day > > Ive read that just recently too. even 3 or 4 days between working a muscle > group. all really depends on how hard you hit those muscles - when my wife rides the stationary bike she never sweats so she can do that everyday. working out too much before you are ready will have bad side effects and you may grow tired of it. how long do you think you will stick with it if it becomes to hard.. you should enjoy it not dread it. > > and then letting it rest while the next few days are spent working out > other [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > medicine doctor. They do well for me...but I am in advance of thier > insights on a few issues. sports medicine sounds impressive but i really dont know what that is. i learned most about mechanics of working out from a book Joe Weiders Ultimate Bodybuilding" the master blasters principles of training and nutrition" most of what i learned about nutrition and body building was from the book called "Sliced" written by world chappions has information on males and females. and is much better then those muscle magazines you see in supermarkets that are nothing more then advertisements. > > you just might find you work out less than your friends while getting much > > better results. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > How does that sound? well if your doctors ok it - i would say - Doing that would be fantastic you will have all the ladies popping their false teeth out when they see you coming. > > body builders use low rep high weight work outs. I notice a lot do it in > > pyramid start off with a small amount of weight [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > out of the gym. The weights I use would allow maybe 50% or 100% more reps > than Im doing. that is fantastic and i think a smart work out > > I was just sharing what I believe the > > only advice [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Phil Scott you sound like you are doing fantastic - I am really happy for you. yes I also want to change my health more for riding. I also lost 65lbs and know just how good it feels. o you ride - I just bought a Honda 2004 VTX1300c want to see a picture? OK here's a link http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/memberdetail.cfm?user_ID=162139 what kind of bike do you ride? Tom "Extreme-cc's" <MrGantlet911(romove)@yahoo.com> wrote in message snip > 3 days 30 minutes will be fantastic and enough in the begining. but hell yea > go for a walk or something on your off days - but i wouldnt hit the stepper [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > again or until i just can do anymore. > with 30 seconds inbetween each set and 1 - 1 1/2 minutes between exercises. > i learned most about mechanics of working out from a book > Joe Weiders Ultimate Bodybuilding" the master blasters principles [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are > nothing more then advertisements. I have some books ordered, that one seems to still be at the top of many peoples list. > > For my first month I am going to do all the machines 3 or 4 days a week > > lightly..that us below the burn stage...and cardio ...... then after the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you will have all the ladies popping their false teeth out when they see you > coming. How long is that going to take do you suppose with the approach we have been discusssing? I've always gone for younger women. I have a book on that you know Works like a champ. > > > body builders use low rep high weight work outs. I notice a lot do it in > > > pyramid start off with a small amount of weight [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > that is fantastic and i think a smart work out Thats good to know. I was afraid it was too light. How long before the ripples show though my tee shirt? Right now....no ripples. > you sound like you are doing fantastic - I am really happy for you. Thanks. > yes I also want to change my health more for riding. > I also lost 65lbs and know just how good it feels. > o you ride - I just bought a Honda 2004 VTX1300c A good cruizing machine > want to see a picture? OK > here's a link > http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/memberdetail.cfm?user_ID=162139 > what kind of bike do you ride? SV650 for the street.(suzuki's mini crotch rocket), 375 lbs, 75 hp.... and a 600 single on the track.. its an austrian motor in a lightweight ATK frame...250 lbs, 70 hp on aviation gas. (air cooled)..enough to keep the back wheel loose around a 1/3 mile oval. Phil Scott > Tom > "Extreme-cc's" <MrGantlet911(romove)@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I have some books ordered, that one seems to still be at the top of many > peoples list. both books are fantastic - which one do you say is on the top of most peoples list? i had several others but those 2 i kept > > > For my first month I am going to do all the machines 3 or 4 days a week > > > lightly..that us below the burn stage...and cardio ...... then after the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > have > been discusssing? 60 + take things slow - its all according to you Phil. with in 6 months you will look and feel fantastic if your work out is serious and wise. i was just kidding about the teeth thing. > I've always gone for younger women. I have a book on that you know > Works like a champ. lol i know what you mean. dont know if i would ever use a book tho - maybe a video :) i prefer to be myself and be with people i can talk to and have things in common with. > > > > body builders use low rep high weight work outs. I notice a lot do it > in [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > the > ripples show though my tee shirt? Right now....no ripples. put it in the draw rolled up and put it on with out ironing - you will have ripples. on the serious side. sad thing about getting some of those ripples is that you dont give your body proper nutrition and you actually lose muscle in order to show cuts. unless you are talking about your abs (rippled) a body builder can do it like this... build mass - bulk up then ad more arobics and alter your diet at the expense of some muscle body builders show more deffinition. i prefer to bulk up dont really care about being sliced or cut up. i think the best bodies are those of gymnest or boxers. i would love to know what jack la lane would have to say about this he always looked fantastic. i bet he would have a very helpful book for you. > > you sound like you are doing fantastic - I am really happy for you. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > SV650 for the street.(suzuki's mini crotch rocket), 375 lbs, 75 hp.... sounds nice > and a 600 single on the track.. its an austrian motor in a lightweight ATK > frame...250 lbs, 70 hp on aviation gas. (air cooled)..enough to keep the > back wheel loose around a 1/3 mile oval. > Phil Scott sounds like avery impressive bike but i only understood 250lbs and 70hp. i am about to install an alarm on mine - not really sure if i can do it but im going to give it a shot. > > Tom > > "Extreme-cc's" <MrGantlet911(romove)@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > serious and wise. > i was just kidding about the teeth thing. This summer I installed two big AC units on a roof in Benicia calif by myself it was up a 30' ladder, in the hot sun, 100 degrees or more on many days...I put in 5 to 9 hour days, for two months straight...I drank water and kept the sushi bar guy rolling in money. Only a few times did my heart rate go up to 180 or so and I had to lay down in the shade.. No chest pains. I got faint only occasionally. As I recall the good old days, I did better but not that much better. Ive done a lot of things to clean out arteries in the last 20 years. When I was 40 (22 years ago) I had chest pains so bad I could only work lightly 2 hours a day. (UCLA did an ekg and said it was normal and prescribed nitroglicerine... these people are not totally bright you know). In the 80's 90's I did about 70 chelation treatments...that had me up to 6 hours a day hard work, no problem, 4 days a week. a permanent fix Then I did 'heart technology' a powder. www.herbaladvantage.com and that worked even better...I got up to 6 hours a day 5 or 6 days a week as long as I watched my diet. Then after 5 years, starting in 1997 my accidental 'de-amyloid' program began to get into the late stages of amyloid removal and I did this work mentioned this summer... If I take Heart Technology whenever I feel 'clogged' and eat cleanly Im in pretty good shape. I think im in better shape than most 60 year olds...but a few are in a lot better shape than me. > > I've always gone for younger women. I have a book on that you know > > Works like a champ. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > i prefer to be myself and be with people i can talk to and have things in > common with. The book is about being yourself, and the female mind... women you realize are NOT rational. They respond to a man sexually in a totally different way than husband material. You got to know about that. :). Lets ask the young ladies present.... Those are two diffent sets of reactions, are they not? You can control the 'lets be friends' circumstance but not the 'take me now' response. so well...is that not correct? > > Thats good to know. I was afraid it was too light. How long before > > the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > he always looked fantastic. i bet he would have a very helpful book for > you. Im going to keep it up until the women are chasing me again...then Im going to give up women and flat track full time. I just love it when they get desperate. Here are some pics with the Rotax motor. http://www.rotax.net/Photos/monoshock.jpg http://www.rotax.net/Photos/pikes_peak.jpg Im not back on the track yet. This spring I will be running again. http://www.andrewrosenthalphotography.com/pages/15njs_flag.html These are photo's of the only woman in mile dirt oval racing today..its a mans sport, peaking around age 25 or 30 but one of the top 10 guys nationally is Gary Nixon, age 65 or so. Jenn was 18 at the time these photo's were taken in 2001, and had won several national points series races before clipping the outside rail at Springfield with her throttle hand at 130 mph...some of the most incredible shots of her sidways on the track are missing from the web site now. (posters maybe). > i am about to install an alarm on mine - not really sure if i can do it but > im going to give > it a shot. You can do it... use the wire they give you...or #16 THWN... thats tough stuff...you need to also keep that thing hidden. Check the police for bike theft stats in your area. You may have to keep it chained to yer leg. Its a hot topic on the bike NG's from time to time... 2 guys can use a torch to cut your locks in under 10 seconds and have it rolled into a van in another 10 seconds while the alarm is going off and before you can grab a gun or whatever. Most guys park thiers in thier garage with cars in front them...even that isnt bullet proof. Somethimes the bike gets carried out over the cars. Theft insurance for those high dollar bikes is not a bad idea in some areas. Have you had it long? Phil Scott > > > Tom > This summer I installed two big AC units on a roof in Benicia calif by > myself it was up a 30' ladder, in the hot sun, 100 degrees or more on many [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > treatments...that had me up to 6 hours a day hard work, no problem, 4 days a > week. a permanent fix dont know what half that stuff means - i only hope i am in as good a shape ( i think) when i am in my 60's > Then I did 'heart technology' a powder. www.herbaladvantage.com and that > worked even better...I got up to 6 hours a day 5 or 6 days a week as long as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 'clogged' and eat cleanly Im in pretty good shape. I think im in better > shape than most 60 year olds...but a few are in a lot better shape than me. i would think you are in very good shape. i think exercise could make you look 20 years younger then some your age. > > > I've always gone for younger women. I have a book on that you > know [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > are NOT rational. They respond to a man sexually in a totally different > way than husband material. You got to know about that. :). lol im not sure i know what you mean. the only difference i can think of is 1 wants it now and the other wants it forever Lets ask > the young ladies present.... Those are two diffent sets of reactions, are > they not? You can control the 'lets be friends' circumstance but not the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > to give up women and flat track full time. I just love it when they get > desperate. i got an easier way to get the girls to chase you. slap them on the butt and run. hell of a lot more fun then lifing weights. you non smokers in the end you get all the girls. > Here are some pics with the Rotax motor. > > http://www.rotax.net/Photos/monoshock.jpg > http://www.rotax.net/Photos/pikes_peak.jpg > > Im not back on the track yet. This spring I will be running again. pretty cool - i hope i am as active when im in my 60's > http://www.andrewrosenthalphotography.com/pages/15njs_flag.html > These are photo's of the only woman in mile dirt oval racing today..its a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > shots of her sidways on the track are missing from the web site now. > (posters maybe). i wish i knew where to look to find out when i can catch some motorcycle stuff on cable. > > i am about to install an alarm on mine - not really sure if i can do it > but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > stuff...you need to also keep that thing hidden. Check the police for bike > theft stats in your area. You may have to keep it chained to yer leg. i have pretty good set up for it. with the pager option and it being right out a few of my friends window. they have to get it past 4 narrow doorways and out my front door :). that plus some heavy duty chains and locks and the alarm just for the added touch. > Its a hot topic on the bike NG's from time to time... 2 guys can use a torch > to cut your locks in under 10 seconds and have it rolled into a van in > another 10 seconds while the alarm is going off and before you can grab a > gun or whatever. where i will be is not known yet - perhaps under my bed - while my wife takes pictures of them... i always have a camera ready for use. not sure if my chain and lock can be cut with a tourch in 10 seconds. a couple of these http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/PublicArticleDetails@p ublic?artid=3036&atf=products_item&pgrp=20 plus a few other things :) > Most guys park thiers in thier garage with cars in front them...even that > isnt bullet proof. Somethimes the bike gets carried out over the cars. > Theft insurance for those high dollar bikes is not a bad idea in some areas. i have full coverage and one thing i love about my 700lbs and change bike. its going to be pretty hard to pick up. > Have you had it long? december 9th kind of a christmas present to myself :) Tom > Phil Scott > > > > > Tom > > This summer I installed two big AC units on a roof in Benicia calif by > > myself it was up a 30' ladder, in the hot sun, 100 degrees or more on many [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > ( i think) when i > am in my 60's Many tradesmen types are in good shape at 60...especially the few who understand how to eat well and fast etc,...not to many working in cubicles even come close, many are dying unless they work out a lot. I was damn near dead at age 52 working engineering jobs... a near fatal passtime. > > Then I did 'heart technology' a powder. www.herbaladvantage.com and > that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > i would think you are in very good shape. i think exercise could make you > look 20 years younger then some your age. I thought so too... I feel pretty good. But the old man look is hard to change when you are past 60'... skin and face changes are pretty obvious. The skin is thinner. The best i think I can do is be a stud at 82...Im going to go for being the worlds oldest flat tracker. > > > > I've always gone for younger women. I have a book on that you > > know [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > 1 wants it now and > the other wants it forever There are some stunningly exciting tricks you can do in bed to cure that... you can try shall we say try 'depriving' the young lady of what she wants at crucial moments, but doing say...er..and inch.... but no more... then take breaks. She will be climbing the walls, and tearing your back up in no time. :) Its a mistake to give a woman what she wants, when she wants it. > Lets ask > > the young ladies present.... Those are two diffent sets of reactions, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > hell of a lot more fun then lifing weights. you non smokers in the end > you get all the girls. That would work. expecially if you never ever let them catch you.... you just acquiess ever so reluctantly after a time... or you could just quit and go flat tracking or out for a beer. that would work/ > > Here are some pics with the Rotax motor. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > pretty cool - i hope i am as active when im in my 60's Unless you have bad luck you can do it even from very bad shape...if you stay fit and eat well, its a cinch. I found I had to have something that turned me on in order to make it... Just working out might be tough...and just work is tough...but if you have something to look forward to like racing etc...thats motivating. You defninitely have the analytical mind it takes...to understand the diet issues and all. > > http://www.andrewrosenthalphotography.com/pages/15njs_flag.html > > These are photo's of the only woman in mile dirt oval racing today..its a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > i wish i knew where to look to find out when i can catch some motorcycle > stuff on cable. The speed channel. > > > i am about to install an alarm on mine - not really sure if i can do it > > but [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > and out my front door :). that plus some heavy duty chains and locks > and the alarm just for the added touch. good...thats what it takes. taping a mag light to your shot gun is helpful too. > > Its a hot topic on the bike NG's from time to time... 2 guys can use a > torch [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > can be cut with a tourch in 10 seconds. > a couple of these A cable would be tougher to cut with a torch...but pure metal is a cinch, unless its stainless, then its harder with a torch...but easier with bolt cutters. They use oxy acetene rigs, with cutting tips...takes about 5 seconds to get the metal red hot, then a tap on the oxygen cutting lever and its cut. (we are not talking one of those propane type blow torches here, those only get to 900 degrees...not hot enough and no way to cut with those) http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/PublicArticleDetails@p ublic?artid=3036&atf=products_item&pgrp=20 > plus a few other things :) Your 5 doors to exit path is your best protection. There are easier targets. > > Most guys park thiers in thier garage with cars in front them...even that > > isnt bullet proof. Somethimes the bike gets carried out over the cars. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > i have full coverage and one thing i love about my 700lbs and change bike. > its going to be pretty hard to pick up. you cant do much better. > > Have you had it long? > > december 9th kind of a christmas present to myself :) If you havent had a bike in a while...my advice is to get real good at using the front brake to do panic stops, so it comes natural....I practice that every time I go out.... and if you dont know what to do if you drift wide in turns, learn about counter steering. (push on the inside bar to tighten it up fast, works wonders, can save yer life.) Phil Scott > Tom > > > Phil Scott > > > > > > > Tom >on the serious side. sad thing about getting some of those ripples >is that you dont give your body proper nutrition and you actually lose [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >build mass - bulk up then ad more arobics and alter your diet >at the expense of some muscle body builders show more deffinition. Hold on their, Sparky. Muscular definition is a result of low BF AND significant hypertrophy. You can have both and eat very healthily. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >on the serious side. sad thing about getting some of those ripples > >is that you dont give your body proper nutrition and you actually lose > >muscle > >in order to show cuts. unless you are talking about your abs (rippled) > Hold on their, Sparky. Muscular definition is a result of low BF AND > significant hypertrophy. You can have both and eat very healthily. No Problem Buckwheat a body builder can do it like this... build mass - bulk up then ad more aerobics and alter your diet at the expense of some muscle body builders show more definition. ( it really all depends on how cut up or rippled you want to be) if you want definition I would think body building is not for you try working out like a boxer or gymnast. body builders are just bulky during training with no definition and alter their diet and work out for competition ( and no that is not healthy ) when a body builder does that IT IS NOT HEALTHY . when you see a body builder competing they are dehydrated among other things - so that the layer of skin above the muscles are so thin even the smallest of muscles show. when you are in a state of being "sliced up" it is very unhealthy but shows maximum muscle - those people to me look better with clothes on. and even top body builders if they are even able to get to being sliced can only hold it a few hours. now if you are talking about a gymnast or boxer - I feel those body types are the healthiest. and look great with or with out clothes. is lifting weights healthy in it self? only if you do the whole thing right. >a body builder can do it like this... >build mass - bulk up then ad more aerobics and alter your diet [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >their diet >and work out for competition ( and no that is not healthy ) All that's fine and dandy but you said: " sad thing about getting some of those ripples is that you dont give your body proper nutrition and you actually lose muscle in order to show cuts" ...is not true in all cases. Defined abdominals is about hypertrophy positioned next to low BF and that can be achieved without any weird alterations of diet or regime. >when a body builder does that IT IS NOT HEALTHY . >when you see a body builder competing they are dehydrated >among other things - so that the layer of skin above the muscles are so >thin even the smallest of muscles show. They are not all dehydrated and BF has a lot more to do with definition than dehydration will. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >a body builder can do it like this... > >build mass - bulk up then ad more aerobics and alter your diet [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > They are not all dehydrated and BF has a lot more to do with > definition than dehydration will. I think he was talking about 'sliced' skin so thin each micro muscle show as in a the edge view of a porterhouse steak.... dehydration on top of zero fat gets you skin that thin. You seem to be talking about more normal muscle definition as with a boxer or gymnast, and maybe a little bit of body building. Healthy type results. no extremes like slicing or ultra sharp definition caused by tissue deprivation. Phil Scott > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html > Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >a body builder can do it like this... > >build mass - bulk up then ad more aerobics and alter your diet [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > your body proper nutrition and you actually lose muscle > in order to show cuts" just like candy i also said "unless you are talking about your abs (rippled)" > ...is not true in all cases. Defined abdominals is about hypertrophy > positioned next to low BF and that can be achieved without any weird > alterations of diet or regime. we are not talking about Abdominals we are talking about body building. Body building is an extreme sport and extreme changes will be made especially in nutrition. a body builder does not follow the same diet through out the year it will change and will be extremely different then what that body builder would eat if it was not a body builder. > >when a body builder does that IT IS NOT HEALTHY . > >when you see a body builder competing they are dehydrated [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > They are not all dehydrated and BF has a lot more to do with > definition than dehydration will. sure maybe not all - only the ones that want to win. i feel body building is a terribly unhealthy life style. > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html > Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >we are not talking about Abdominals we are talking about body building. >Body building is an extreme sport and extreme changes will be made >especially in nutrition. a body builder does not follow the same diet >through out the year it will change and will be extremely different then >what >that body builder would eat if it was not a body builder. The vast majority of BBers do not compete. Your comments are to a non-competing 60 year old. >sure maybe not all - only the ones that want to win. i feel body >building is a terribly unhealthy life style. I'm not in total disagreement especially considering the inherent drug problems. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >we are not talking about Abdominals we are talking about body building. > >Body building is an extreme sport and extreme changes will be made [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The vast majority of BBers do not compete. true but if they know what they are doing their diet will still change several times a year - especially if they want to show ripples in competition or just for the ladies. if you want a well defined body with out such extremes just work out like a boxer ( whos diet should also will be adjusted from time to time) not a body builder Your comments are to a > non-competing 60 year old. i know who i am talking to hes not even a body builder how can he compete. we are just talking body building. i didnt even get into extreme body building - but i love talking about it. do you know what these to terms stand for? failure total failure no im not talking about your medical career :) (not meant to be a flame but im sure you know someone would have jumped in with that one) still talking body building. > >sure maybe not all - only the ones that want to win. i feel body > >building is a terribly unhealthy life style. > > I'm not in total disagreement especially considering the inherent drug > problems. i can not think of any sport that when taken to its extreme is healthy. just wondering what is the average life span of those marathon winners. > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html > Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >if you want a well defined body with out such extremes just work out like a >boxer ( whos diet should also will be adjusted from time to time) not a body >builder What exactly is a boxer's regime? > Your comments are to a >> non-competing 60 year old. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >i didnt even get into extreme body building - but i love talking about it. >do you know what these to terms stand for? There is no such thing as musculo-neorotic failure. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >if you want a well defined body with out such extremes just work out like a > >boxer ( whos diet should also will be adjusted from time to time) not a body > >builder > > What exactly is a boxer's regime? a work out a boxer would use to prepare for a fight? > > Your comments are to a > >> non-competing 60 year old. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > There is no such thing as musculo-neorotic failure. i asked you if you heard of the terms failure and total failure not Mu_sculo-neorotic failure > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html > Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >> There is no such thing as musculo-neorotic failure. > >i asked you if you heard of the terms >failure and total failure >not Mu_sculo-neorotic failure I have heard of them and I have heard of Sasquatch too and like Sasquatch, they do not exist in healthy human physiology. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >> There is no such thing as musculo-neorotic failure. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I have heard of them what did you hear about them? >> >> There is no such thing as musculo-neorotic failure. >> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >what did you hear about them? That there is no such thing as neuro-muscular failure. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >> >> There is no such thing as musculo-neorotic failure. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That there is no such thing as neuro-muscular failure. never said there was. THE END > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html > Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > > >on the serious side. sad thing about getting some of those ripples > > >is that you dont give your body proper nutrition and you actually lose [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > at the expense of some muscle body builders show more definition. > ( it really all depends on how cut up or rippled you want to be) The rolled up tee shirt idea sounded easier. > if you want definition I would think body building is not for you > try working out like a boxer or gymnast. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > are the healthiest. > and look great with or with out clothes. Good info. Im going for the boxer look. > is lifting weights healthy in it self? only if you do the whole thing right. > > now if you are talking about a gymnast or boxer - I feel those body types > > are the healthiest. > > and look great with or with out clothes. > > Good info. Im going for the boxer look. then you should look for books on boxing training it will not be the same as a body building. for me that is a much harder work out. I prefer the short hard reps of body building. in the past I didn't know as much as I know now so while I trained like a body builder I ended up with more of of boxers body. but if I would have worked out for a boxers body and ended up looking like a boxer my muscles would have been harder and would have had longer endurance. talking about this stuff really motivates me. I plan on starting my work out January 1 :). the hardest part is just getting started. Tom > > > now if you are talking about a gymnast or boxer - I feel those body > types [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > and ended up looking like a boxer my muscles would have been > harder and would have had longer endurance. I need the endurance. > talking about this stuff really motivates me. > I plan on starting my work out January 1 :). > the hardest part is just getting started. Thanks for the tips. I will look up routines for boxers. Can I then mix in some short high stress reps occasionally to bulk up a little as well? Im not looking forward to this taking much over 6 months. Flat track season starts in May. How long does a boxer work out a day? I can do an hour...just fine. More than that and I might fudge and add in some body builder exercises. Phil Scott > Tom > > > > now if you are talking about a gymnast or boxer - I feel those body > > types [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > mix in > some short high stress reps occasionally to bulk up a little as well? occasionally wont help much. this is what i will do once i get started. work out pretty much like you told me. every week ad some weight but still allow your self to complete the amount of reps ( i like 20) and sets ( 3 is fine) you are now doing. then after a while on the second set put extra weight on and until you can do a set of 10 and a last set of 20. i like to pump up with a light wieght 20 reps and the same for the last set. i think that is a nice combination. i always do a long set of abs before working out to help protect my back. > Im not looking forward to this taking much over 6 months. Flat track > season > starts in May. Phil if you have been doing this a month i bet you notice a change already - 2 months more of a change. in 6 months you should be looking and feeling great. it all depends on how much effert you put into it and that you get your information from the right people ( and i dont mean me we are really just talking) i know nothing about wieght training for people your age only giving it my best shot. > How long does a boxer work out a day? I can do an hour...just fine. i would think boxers work out much longer and harder than that but - you are not looking to win a 18 round fight :). an hour is fantastic and you will look and feel wonderful. an hour is all i will do once i get started again. what ever you do - dont work out in a way that you begin to hate it or you will stop. > More than > that and I might fudge and add in some body builder exercises. i read the max work out for a pro body builder is one hour. they may do it twice a day but after one hour their strength should be depleted. i think boxers have big enough muscles and healthier bodies. im going to start with 30 minutes a day on my stepper for a few weeks. sad thing is i have to sell my gym equipment to make room for a garden. my lat machine with 250lbs quick change stack that is conected to a sit up bench. my leg curl bench, my fly bench, my health rider. all going bye bye :(.. it kind of hurts to see them go :(. but im bringing in the sit up bench. all i am keeping is my free weight, stepper machin and stationary bike. i guess il be doing push-ups for my chest and tricepts. > Phil Scott > > > Tom "Extreme-cc's" <MrGantlet911(romove)@yahoo.com> wrote in message snip > occasionally wont help much. this is what i will do once i get started. > work out pretty much like you told me. every week ad some weight [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > with a light wieght 20 reps and the same for the last set. i think that is > a nice combination. Im doing about half that now...Ill be up to that in a couple of weeks. > i always do a long set of abs before working out to help protect my back. I had no clue about that good idea. > > Im not looking forward to this taking much over 6 months. Flat track > > season [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that you get your information from the right people ( and i dont mean me we > are really just talking) I think your routine is well thought out though... I need info on what to eat..I will order books next week. So far my craving for junk food, sugar and icecream etc is way down. and I dont seem to be eating as much either. > i know nothing about wieght training for people your age > only giving it my best shot. At my age there are digestive problems, declines in digestive enzymes and stomach acids etc and ...Ive got those handled with pills and smart eating. (no huge meals)... im a different case though since I work real hard, and have done chelation therapy and the de-amyloid routine. Those are serious advances. Glucosamine fixed my joint problems (that took 2+ years). > > How long does a boxer work out a day? I can do an hour...just fine. > > i would think boxers work out much longer and harder than that > but - you are not looking to win a 18 round fight :). When you are old you have to make sure your fights are real short...if I have a problem I will use a 2 x 4...that will be quick. The flat track races are hard core, but a heat race runs 5 minutes and the main event 7 minutes. > an hour is fantastic and you will look and feel wonderful. > an hour is all i will do once i get started again. > what ever you do - >dont work out in a way that you begin > to hate it or you will stop. That was my previous mistake. ..thanks, I will be brighter on that issue..maybe err on the side of too light a work out instead of border line too heavy as I did today. > > More than > > that and I might fudge and add in some body builder exercises. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > for a garden. my lat machine with 250lbs quick change stack that is > conected to a sit up bench. You wont be growing that much garden in such a space...maybe you should keep the equipment and buy the vegies. or put em in hanging pots. You can also plant things that grow on vines like zuchinni and have those running out your ears in a small space. Phil Scott > my leg curl bench, my fly bench, my health rider. all going bye bye :(.. > it kind of hurts to see them go :(. but im bringing in the sit up bench. > all i am keeping is my free weight, stepper machin and stationary bike. > i guess il be doing push-ups for my chest and tricepts. > > Phil Scott > > > > > Tom > "Extreme-cc's" <MrGantlet911(romove)@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Im doing about half that now...Ill be up to that in a couple of weeks. keep it up.. i was suposed to start the stepper today - But i found an excuse > > i always do a long set of abs before working out to help protect my back. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > eat..I will order books next week. So far my craving for junk food, sugar > and icecream etc is way down. and I dont seem to be eating as much either. before i was diabetic i found my nutritional information in books. however now that i am diabetic - i am going to use the same diet my dietitian gave me until i get to a point that my diet needs to be changed. > > i know nothing about wieght training for people your age > > only giving it my best shot. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > have done chelation therapy and the de-amyloid routine. Those are serious > advances. Glucosamine fixed my joint problems (that took 2+ years). as far as digestive enzymes - before dx'd diabetic i used to use pine- apple, papaya sorry i forgot the rest. i would try to ad foods high with digestive enzymes rather then medications ( if possible ). Joint problems? i would think lighter weights longer reps would be better then shorter reps with high weights - jmo > > > How long does a boxer work out a day? I can do an hour...just fine. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > races are hard core, but a heat race runs 5 minutes and the main event 7 > minutes. my fights are very short these days. the only way you can get me to fight is to block my path more then once. wish i had your experience with motorcycles. racing sounds like a hell of a lotta fun. > > an hour is fantastic and you will look and feel wonderful. > > an hour is all i will do once i get started again. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > issue..maybe err on the side of too light a work out instead of border line > too heavy as I did today. light weight work outs are great - honestly think thats what i am going to shoot for. a work out that will last a life time. sets of 20 seems right in the middle. sets of 50 are even better but i dont like that kind of work out. > > > More than > > > that and I might fudge and add in some body builder exercises. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You can also plant things that grow on vines like zuchinni and have those > running out your ears in a small space. its not really that type of garden - it going to be flowers and stuff. last winter the tent didnt make it so i baught another and figured i would start working out. well this year the tent didnt make it either too much snow on top and the whole thing came down. well i am keeping the crunch machine - stepper - stationary bike - and a bunch of free weights and bars in myapartment. the stuff in the back yard has to go :(. keep up the great work. i will let you know when i get started.Tom > Phil Scott > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > > > > Tom Hey Phil: its been a while since we talked. just wondering how you like this group so far? how are the work outs coming along? Signaturehttp://www.diabetes.org/homepage.jsp Extreme-cc's 39 - Male - Type - 2 http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/memberdetail.cfm?user_ID=162139 > "Extreme-cc's" <MrGantlet911(romove)@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > > > > > > > Tom >i always do a long set of abs before working out to help protect my back. Why? http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >i always do a long set of abs before working out to help protect my back. > > Why? from what i read strong abs help protect your back. and would also think at the very least its good to warm up those joints and muscles before a heay lifting work out even if i only have to move something very heavy ( put in a air conditioner). i will warm up my back joints and do a little stretching, and if possible do a few crunches. > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html > Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >from what i read strong abs help protect your back. Which abs are you referring to? >and would also think at the very least its good to warm >up those joints and muscles before a heay lifting work out The abs have no joints. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > >from what i read strong abs help protect your back. > > Which abs are you referring to? i usually do crunches. THE END > >and would also think at the very least its good to warm > >up those joints and muscles before a heay lifting work out > > The abs have no joints. when you are doing crunches you do move joints dont you? THEN END > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031122.html > Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. |
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